Ahead Drum Sticks...

[AdultSwim815]

Is it just me or do these drum sticks get a terrible wrap for no reason... I just purchased a pair of 5-A and they are so comfortable. And I really don't see how they will break my cymbals unless I do what they say not to do (which is hit the cymbals with the exposed part of the drumstick) I'm just wondering if anyone else is feeling the same way I am.

[Panopticon]

i am.

But IMO the rimshots and rim clicks sound like a*s.

[The Mites]

I know i'm not.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah rimshots n clicks sound lame. I've never tried em, but I have no need to. I love my promark ian paice sigs

[AdultSwim815]

Yeah the rim shots and clicks are pretty lame, but I don't do a ton of those to make it really hinder my playing. And they just feel really nice on the hands.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Well if you like em does it matter?

[AdultSwim815]

Not so much, but I know a while back people would get flamed like crazy for using them. I was just wondering if maybe this has ended.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

It hasnt ended just no one has mentioned them recently lol

[AdultSwim815]

Ah gotcha. Now I'm worried to post pictures of my new set when my new gear gets in...

[The Mites]

Well there are reasons why the best rudimental drummers in the world use wood :-/

[Panopticon]

i never really understood why people cared when they got flamed. Just post pics. If people like it, they like it, if they don't, they dont.

[Kainen]

i never really understood why people cared when they got flamed. Just post pics. If people like it, they like it, if they don't, they dont.

Quoted for truth.

[abandonthetruth]

Oh god .... not this argument again....

[Kainen]

This is my first time logged on here in about a year and the first topic i see is something regarding Ahead drum sticks. its like I never left!

[Panopticon]

rofl...trust me...it hasn't happened in a LONG time.

[billdrum]

It HAS been a while since we had one of these posts, and no Travis Barker threads for a while either!

As far as the Aheads....I believe that if you play with good technique, and take care of your equipment, don't overplay, etc., they're probably OK. But if you have poor technique, are a basher, etc., the problem is probably magnified with Aheads, leading to cymbal breakage that might not occur with regular sticks (and still, it may).

I personally don't see how anyone can stand the feel of them, though. The rebound is funny, they don't absorb any of the shock of impact (which can lead to tendinitis issues), and rimshots and rimclicks sound awful.

My $.02

[Kainen]

haha its probably my fault, ahead stick conversations were rampant. I recently met a guy who had some. *shudder*


***edit


Lol to Billdrum and the travis barker thing.

Those were quite popular when i was frequenting here as well!

[Panopticon]

It HAS been a while since we had one of these posts, and no Travis Barker threads for a while either!

As far as the Aheads....I believe that if you play with good technique, and take care of your equipment, don't overplay, etc., they're probably OK. But if you have poor technique, are a basher, etc., the problem is probably magnified with Aheads, leading to cymbal breakage that might not occur with regular sticks (and still, it may).

I personally don't see how anyone can stand the feel of them, though. The rebound is funny, they don't absorb any of the shock of impact (which can lead to tendinitis issues), and rimshots and rimclicks sound awful.

My $.02

when i used aheads, there was NO vibration of the stick. With wood sticks, theres MUCH More. I don't understand how this can cause tendinitis.

[Kainen]

^^^^ and with that is has begun anew.

[Panopticon]

and its all your fault.

[Kainen]

fine fine i'll take the blame although i've never owned a pair.

[billdrum]

when i used aheads, there was NO vibration of the stick. With wood sticks, theres MUCH More. I don't understand how this can cause tendinitis.

Simple physics....for every action, there is a equal and separate reaction. When you hit a cymbal or drum with a drumstick, there is a vibration reaction that comes back from the impact. The Ahead stick isn't vibrating because it's not absorbing the shock of that reaction (in fact it's conducting it). If the stick isn't absorbing the shock, guess what is? Anyone, anyone.....that's right poindexter, it's your wrist and hand absorbing that shock! BTW, its not good for your wrists and hands to absorb that kind of shock and vibration on a regular basis.

[Drum Phil]

Plus what happens if you wear through the sleeve and dont notice.

Metal on metal contact is not good.

I used to use them and they're disgusting. If you leave them in the car or something overnight, you cant use them until they've heated up. They get slippy as hell when your hands sweat and they feel so flimsy.

[LoneStarDrummer]

some guy at the local music store conned my mom into buying them for me during Christmas.

i gave them a try and hated the way they felt. couple days latter i returned them and bought some promarks instead. they didn't any vater sticks so i went with promark.

they just didn't feel right to me at all. felt like so much was lacking.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I assume you mean the aheads were lacking

[Drum Phil]

I adore my VF's above all else.

Pro-mark never felt right either.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I love pro-mark personally. Best sticks i've ever used. Feel so sturdy

[LoneStarDrummer]

I assume you mean the aheads were lackingyeah.

promark and vater are my favorites. i prefer vater over promark just slightly because i really like the sizing of the 5b. promark makes one that's very similar (i forget the model - i have it written down somewhere), but very few places have them. not even musiciansfriend has them.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah pro-mark are harder to find over here. But I much prefer the feel.

[Drum Phil]

Pro-marks classic sizing does my head in. Plus i dont like the coating.

[The Mites]

It's just Vaters I can't really handle. I dig VF Peter Erskine Rides, VF Buddy Rich, and ProMark Manhattans (I think)...

[pathlessvman]

personaly I dont like them ( AHEADS THAT IS )

I like Vic Firth 5B wooden tips

[Drum Phil]

I adore VF 2B's and Thomas Lang sigs.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Much as I love pro-mark I must admit my love of the VF Abe laboriel jr sigs they're great massive reach

[ringworm]

i've honestly never tried aheads

but, almost every time i go to a drum shop, i contemplate getting some just to try them

[bobby__johnny]

i'm a big fan of VF F1's

[Kainen]

I dont think i've ever bought a drum stick that wasn't vic firth. I've probably prefered over a dozen different styles of sticks over the years. currently its the VF rock wood tips. Before that it was the 5A extreme.

[Drum Phil]

Drunk stick rly?

[bobby__johnny]

i took a drastic change in sticks one time.

i went from playing 5B's, to Vater Studio (little smaller than a 7A)

now i'm in the 5A/7A range. something right in between with a ball tip would be my ideal stick

[Panopticon]

i actually went from 8DN (smaller than 7a...smallest VF's there are i think) to VF Danny Carey sigs, and now i can't play with anything smaller.

[Seafroggys]

I've pretty much stayed at Vic Firth 5AN for the past 6 years. I have some Promark Ringo Starr sig sticks, and I want to try out some of the Ian Paice sticks since they seem more suitable for my needs. We'll see.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Try em frog man. The Ian Paice sigs are ace

[Kainen]

Drunk stick rly?


I fail at using the correct words at times.

[Drum Phil]

No wai

[Kainen]

ya srysly

[Drum Phil]

omg

[Aaron]

I use Vaters: 7As, 7A-Manhattans, 5As. I love the butt end, kekeke.

[mullets suk]

i need to try vatars, the only VF i used was one of the larger sticks (5B), back when i used to play with thicker sticks. even then i wasnt a big fan of them. i only use promark 7A. i might try changing it up when i buy my next pair. that wont be awhile since i have 3 pairs of 7A's to go though.

[bobby__johnny]

i loved the promark 3A's i had one time.

[Verdas]

I am just gonna throw in here because this thread is ridiculous. But does it get any better than Vic Firth Peter Erskine's? Maybe VC Steve Gadd's??? Tough call.

[Aaron]

Yep. Vater Manahattan 7As.

[The Mites]

The only thing really better than VF Peter Erskine is VF Peter Erskine Ride.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

And the only thing better than that is the promark Ian Paice sig

[crazyguy832]

I like 5B's.

V_V

[ytsedrummer]

Promark 5B Nylon Tips is where its at!

[Surtr]

Plastic/Metal/Something < Wood

There's a reason everyone bashes these sticks. They sound awful, feel awful and are expensive to get a **** pair of sticks.

[BummerJonny]

Promark 5B Nylon Tips is where its at!
+Rep

**worships**

[bobby__johnny]

Plastic/Metal/Something < Wood

There's a reason everyone bashes these sticks. They sound awful, feel awful and are expensive to get a **** pair of sticks.

dont they also recommend no rimshots? i thought i heard that somewhere

[mullets suk]

anyone ever used two different size sticks? for the longest time i used 5B left hand, 7A right hand cause the different tones i thought were better lol.

[Mirror.Circuit]

Vater 5AN Los Angeles ftw.

[bobby__johnny]

^^

had a pair of those a few weeks ago.

was impressed

[ace76543]

i love aheads. i need new sleeves or w/e though, so i can't use them right now D:

also aheads + wuhan = scrap metal :/

[crazyguy832]

anyone ever used two different size sticks? for the longest time i used 5B left hand, 7A right hand cause the different tones i thought were better lol.
Nothing wrong with that. A lot of people flip their snare hand stick around for a thicker sound anyways.

:smoke:

[The Chemist]

Vater H-220s.

Perfection and sex in one.

[Ill Mitch]

The only thing really better than VF Peter Erskine is VF Peter Erskine Ride.

this

[Drum Phil]

i love aheads. i need new sleeves or w/e though, so i can't use them right now D:

also aheads + wuhan = scrap metal :/

I really hope you're kidding.

[crazyguy832]

No, no, he's not. Aheads chew threw Wuhans very quickly.

:smash:

[Drum Phil]

You know what i meant.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Nothing wrong with that. A lot of people flip their snare hand stick around for a thicker sound anyways.

:smoke:

This is why I love the Vic Firth Morgan Rose Alien sig sticks. No tip, all butt-end.

[Drum Phil]

I wanted to try them.

[ace76543]

I really hope you're kidding.

Shut up i like them. In fact, you're crazy for not liking them.

[Drum Phil]

Lets weigh up the pro's and cons:

Con:

Cymbal damaging
Hand damaging
Feel like crap
Expensive
No Rimshots
No rim clicks
Sound like crap on cowbells
Sound like crap on ride bells
Badly balanced

Pro:

Might not snap




The cons have it.

[raz0r]

i actually went from 8DN (smaller than 7a...smallest VF's there are i think) to VF Danny Carey sigs, and now i can't play with anything smaller.

I went from Weckl sigs to Danny Careys, and I can't use anything smaller than a 2B now.
Rimshots sound weak with lighter sticks.

[Drum Phil]

I feel like i have less control over lighter sticks.

I really wanna try some Careys and some Andy Hurley sigs. For now i love my VF STL's.

[green242]

I gots da Ahed JJ signature sticks baby!!!

[bobby__johnny]

your instantly a better drummer now

[AdultSwim815]

dont they also recommend no rimshots? i thought i heard that somewhere


They recommend no rimshots, and not hitting your cymbals with the metal part....
And the thing about what happens when you don't notice the covering has broke, if you don't notice a black thing go flying off you're blind as a bat. The plastic wears like the wood does, it just breaks off slowly.
And I don't see how they can hurt your wrist, the wooden pro marks I have hurt after I play for an hour, the aheads don't. And they are pretty comfortable too.

[green242]

your instantly a better drummer now

I know.. I felt like it at the time. Until suddenly all my drums and cymbals were cracked in half from being so insanely good..




And I remember reading about them, they "claim" that they absorb more than wooden sticks. Somehow?? I can't remember how.

[Drum Phil]

And the thing about what happens when you don't notice the covering has broke, if you don't notice a black thing go flying off you're blind as a bat. The plastic wears like the wood does, it just breaks off slowly.
And I don't see how they can hurt your wrist, the wooden pro marks I have hurt after I play for an hour, the aheads don't. And they are pretty comfortable too.

You're an idiot. Wood wears slowly. If a peice of the plastic wears through, thats still metal to metal contact.

And they're "comfortable" because all vibration is transferred to the cymbal and your hands causing them undue stress.

[The Mites]

the wooden pro marks I have hurt after I play for an hour

You need to check your technique then.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I agree with J. If you're hurting yourself by playing then your technique is probably flawed

[Panopticon]

Lets weigh up the pro's and cons:

Con:

Cymbal damaging - wrong
Hand damaging - wrong
Feel like crap - opinion
Expensive - not really
No Rimshots - wrong
No rim clicks - wrong
Sound like crap on cowbells - opinion
Sound like crap on ride bells - opinion
Badly balanced - wrong

Pro:

Might not snap




The cons have it.

anything else?

[Panopticon]

You're an idiot. Wood wears slowly. If a peice of the plastic wears through, thats still metal to metal contact.

And they're "comfortable" because all vibration is transferred to the cymbal and your hands causing them undue stress.

uhh no...thats also wrong.

Theres powder in the handle that absorbs all the vibration.

[Drum Phil]

In which column? Pro? No. Con, probably.

uhh no...thats also wrong.

Theres powder in the handle that absorbs all the vibration.

No, there isnt. There was weights in my old ones.

[Panopticon]

con.

[Drum Phil]

All evidence to the contrary of your idiotic claims.

[The Mites]

anything else?

Expensive? Yes they are. I don't care if you are a rich kid and nothing is expensive. Where I come from, I can have a signature pair of wooden sticks for £8.50, or a signature pair of Aheads for £29.

Expensive? Yes. :rolleyes:

[Kainen]

man $12 a pair is friggin expensive.

[Drum Phil]

Lets weigh up the pro's and cons:

Con:

Cymbal damaging - wrong Statistics beg to differ
Hand damaging - wrong Lighter Feel = More power in strokes for noobs
Feel like crap - opinion
Expensive - not really $70 a pop here as opposed to $17. Yes, expensive
No Rimshots - wrong Moron, it says you cant do them on the packaging
No rim clicks - wrong The lack of vibration in the stick makes sure they dont work
Sound like crap on cowbells - opinion
Sound like crap on ride bells - opinion
Badly balanced - wrong Centre of balance is too far back.

Pro:

Might not snap




The cons have it.anything else?

Jay, you've become a complete moron on some subjects lately.

[Kainen]

man.. your usage of the hyperbole is amazing phil :)

[Drum Phil]

How'd you figure that?

[Kainen]

lkajsdgkjae

[Drum Phil]

Ah i see.....




:-s

[Kainen]

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

[The Mites]

So is smoking crack...

[Panopticon]

Lets weigh up the pro's and cons:

Con:

Cymbal damaging - Show me these statistics
Hand damaging - Uhh, they're way heavier than wood sticks of the same size
Feel like crap - opinion
Expensive - I'll give you that one
No Rimshots - Show me
No rim clicks - Does a magical fairy come and hold your stick up from hitting the rim?
Sound like crap on cowbells - opinion
Sound like crap on ride bells - opinion
Badly balanced - opinion

Pro:

Might not snap




The cons have it.

Jezen, stop spamming.

[The Mites]

If you didn't understand that analogy, then you're a moron. That's not to say you're not a moron anyway.

Hand damaging - Uhh, they're way heavier than wood sticks of the same size

Omg. How retarded are you? Weight has nothing to do with it.

[Panopticon]

hey, guess what...phil said they have a lighter feel...

and they don't, they have a heavier feel.

also i never said i didn't understand it...i told you to stop spamming.

[The Mites]

I made an analogy, I didn't spam, unless you are referring to some other post unrelated to this topic.

[ace76543]

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

I got nothing. Anyway. Back on topic.

Aheads are for some and not for others. that pretty much sums it up.

ahem.

[green242]

Yeah, about phil's comment on the sticks breaking cymbals, and the "stats" prove it...
I have never actually heard of anyone breaking they're cymbals from them.
just wanted to add that in there. Even if it dosn't mean anything

[Drum Phil]

Hundreds of people started breaking cymbals after switching to them.

Also jay, unless you've used the damn things for a major length of time, shut the **** up

[Panopticon]

hey guess what phil...i have. I used them for over 6 months and guess what....no cracked cymbals:)

So:

shut the **** up

Name a few of these "hundreds" of people.

Actually, no don't bother.

/thread.

[Drum Phil]

Define major period.

Months?

Years?

I used them for two years and they destroyed the edges of my cymbals. Never damaged anything before or after that period.

Coincidence? I doubt it.

[Panopticon]

just to recap my last post...

/thread.

[green242]

So Phil... What you're saying is that the "hundreds of people" is actually you?
Even though I don't belive you used them for 2 years... And why would you let them destroy all of you're cymbals? Once you realized what they were doing, wouldn't you stop?

It seems far fetched to me. Unless you're just an idiot?? haha! no, can't be that......

I call you out.... You're a ... a .... LIAR!

[green242]

My point is. Unless you have bad technique, or terrible cymbals, they won't destroy them. Use with common sense, and if you enjoy them for whatever reason, use em!

Phil is wrong. He just will never admit to it. He will argue to the grave...

[ant_182]

My point is. Unless you have bad technique, or terrible cymbals, they won't destroy them. Use with common sense, and if you enjoy them for whatever reason, use em!

Phil is wrong. He just will never admit to it. He will argue to the grave...

Havn't you seen phils technique ? :eek: Oh n0 I didn't!

[Drum Phil]

So Phil... What you're saying is that the "hundreds of people" is actually you?
Even though I don't belive you used them for 2 years... And why would you let them destroy all of you're cymbals? Once you realized what they were doing, wouldn't you stop?

It seems far fetched to me. Unless you're just an idiot?? haha! no, can't be that......

I call you out.... You're a ... a .... LIAR!

Beleive what you will. Its not like some kid on the internets opinion matters to me.

There were many people here before the recent trends who would testify to having had cymbals damaged by aheads.

Also, i didnt say they destroyed my cymbals :) I said they destroyed the edges. Difference.

And ant, my technique hasnt damaged any of my current cymbals, yet you've cracked at least one :)

[ant_182]

Proof that it was me? The cymbal was 2nd hand, and it was possible that it was a factory flaw. You just can't take and sh^t lawl. Its all good. What K Crash do you have?

[raz0r]

I'd just like to add one thing.

If you look at the target demographic of Aheads (i.e. jordison fanboys, ulrich fanboys, metal players), a lot of them are playing loud, heavy music, and thus are hitting hard. Couple that with bad technique (your average teenage drummer isn't going to have perfect technique), and you've got a playground of breakage waiting to happen.

If people like Vinnie or Weckl were using Aheads, you wouldn't see as much breakage (maybe more than with wood, it's hard to say) as before. Give them to someone like Danny Carey, and you'd probably see a break every few shows.

Also, sometimes cymbals just break. Flawed material, time, environmental factors, just plain stress. It's not always technique related.

[green242]

Beleive what you will. Its not like some kid on the internets opinion matters to me.



You say kid. But yet, i'm older than you are....


KID

[MatthewMeredith]

i actually went from 8DN (smaller than 7a...smallest VF's there are i think) to VF Danny Carey sigs, and now i can't play with anything smaller.

Vic Firth AJ5's are smaller; I use them and they are AMAZING!

[Drum Phil]

You say kid. But yet, i'm older than you are....


KID

So act like it. You have the grammar skills of a 9 year old.

Proof that it was me? The cymbal was 2nd hand, and it was possible that it was a factory flaw. You just can't take and sh^t lawl. Its all good. What K Crash do you have?

Its in the wrong place to be a factory flaw. Factory flaws generally dont follow the lathe lines. Thats a classic "cymbal too high" crack in my experience.

And mines a K Custom fast crash. Thin weight.

[Win A Rabbit]

:lol: We should have these threads every week. I forgot how much I missed them.

Please continue.

[Mirror.Circuit]

Yeah, about phil's comment on the sticks breaking cymbals, and the "stats" prove it...
I have never actually heard of anyone breaking they're cymbals from them.
just wanted to add that in there. Even if it dosn't mean anything

I probably did.
I used them for awhile and broke an 18" ZBT Crash, switched to wood sticks after that happened and haven't broken anything since.
That being said,i'd been playing for less than a year when I did that.
I think they do increase the stress on your cymbals, but someone with good technique who doesn't play very hard isn't going to notice a lot.
That being said,they're uncomfy and can't rimshot or click for ****.

[keaton_86]

I think everyone should use omar hakim sigs because they are awesome.

[ant_182]

So act like it. You have the grammar skills of a 9 year old.



Its in the wrong place to be a factory flaw. Factory flaws generally dont follow the lathe lines. Thats a classic "cymbal too high" crack in my experience.

And mines a K Custom fast crash. Thin weight.

I thought you had no experience hahahaha. Phil you're just one big contradiction. Anyway whats the K Custom like? I don't like fast crashes though =/

[Drum Phil]

Did i say it was my cymbal i experienced cracking? OMGZZ you can have experience without it directly happening to you.

If you see 800 car crashes, but never crash a car, does that mean you've got no experience of car crashes?

[Panopticon]

seriously phil shutup you don't know what you're talking about...

besides...i already /thread'd

[Win A Rabbit]

\thread.

keep going. it's just getting good.

[crazyguy832]

I love this thread.

XD

[The Chemist]

I'd just like to add one thing.

If you look at the target demographic of Aheads (i.e. jordison fanboys, ulrich fanboys, metal players), a lot of them are playing loud, heavy music, and thus are hitting hard. Couple that with bad technique (your average teenage drummer isn't going to have perfect technique), and you've got a playground of breakage waiting to happen.

If people like Vinnie or Weckl were using Aheads, you wouldn't see as much breakage (maybe more than with wood, it's hard to say) as before. Give them to someone like Danny Carey, and you'd probably see a break every few shows.

Also, sometimes cymbals just break. Flawed material, time, environmental factors, just plain stress. It's not always technique related.

But, most metal players don't hit that hard. I know for FACT that Jordison AND Ulrich play fairly soft. a 6/10 or so.

[green242]

So act like it. You have the grammar skills of a 9 year old.

ahahahahahahha:smash:

and you have the common sence of a gold fish!!

[ant_182]

Woah, don't dis the goldfish. Can anyone post photographic evidence of either veiws?

[Panopticon]

i could post pics of broken cymbals and say they were hit by aheads for the rest of my life...doesn't make it true.

Likewise, i could post pics of perfect cymbals and say they were hit by aheads for the rest of my life...doesn't make that true either.

[Mr Pink]

People aren't buying enough hats.

[ant_182]

My dad owns several, so do I.

[Win A Rabbit]

http://www.castorandpolluxmusic.com/nmhubbard/Photos/build/ribboncymbals.jpg

my cymbals were fine until i used aheads. now look at them. one hit each. bam.

[The Mites]

ahahahahahahha:smash:

and you have the common sence of a gold fish!!

You spelled "sense" wrong. Just putting it out there..

[crazyguy832]

But, most metal players don't hit that hard. I know for FACT that Jordison AND Ulrich play fairly soft. a 6/10 or so.
lol wut!?

:smash::smash::smash:

There are harder hitters, yeah (Carrey, anyone?), but they don't play soft.

:rolleyes:

Also, WAR, you = win.

[ace76543]

But, most metal players don't hit that hard. I know for FACT that Jordison AND Ulrich play fairly soft. a 6/10 or so.

Ulrich is a hard hitter. during the recording of one of their albums (can't remember which...but it was black or post black) his heads had to be changed every 5 or so takes because he kept denting them etc. not re-tuned. changed

[raz0r]

Ulrich is a hard hitter. during the recording of one of their albums (can't remember which...but it was black or post black) his heads had to be changed every 5 or so takes because he kept denting them etc. not re-tuned. changed

I'd definitely say lars hits hard. Jordison not so much.
Danny Carey tends to change heads for every take in the studio.

[BummerJonny]

but thats cos danny carey is a total perfectionist. and filthy rich...

[green242]

You spelled "sense" wrong. Just putting it out there..

haha, yeah. I figured I was, but I wasn't sure on it, and didn't feel like looking up how to spell it. I knew if I spelled it wrong, phil would let me know in his desperate attempt in insulting and bringing down my self esteem :-(

[The Mites]

I wonder how often Tommy Aldridge replaces his gear..

[DxRocker]

Although in some cases endorsments are more about money then anything else, they do give you an idea about the gear in question in general.

Now look at wich players are key endorsers of Aheads...

Tommy Lee and Lars Ulrich...
Now ask yourself why virtually every one of the "greats" (and less) use wood sticks of no-matter what brand.

If these sticks were so great, a lot more high-quality players would recommend them. It's that simple.

'Nuff said.

[The Mites]

Think of it this way. Ever play golf? Notice how the wooden clubs project the ball further than the iron clubs?

Just puttin' it out there..

[green242]

^ no?
do they still make wooden clubs?? My father has about 2 dozen drivers, and I don't think any of them are wooden. I never see any for sale. I guess that dosn't say they're not there, but just not as popular I guess?
I think most my dad has are like titanium and/or other wierd metals

[GhostNote]

Your dad =/= every golf player tbh.


-GN

[Drum Phil]

seriously phil shutup you don't know what you're talking about...

besides...i already /thread'd

Haha yeah, i experience the damage aheads can do to cymbals and I dont know what im talking about.

Nice one.

Anyway, im done with this thread and the incoherent morons in it. You can go back to bigging up the kiddy sticks now.

[DxRocker]

Its in the wrong place to be a factory flaw. Factory flaws generally dont follow the lathe lines.

Actually, that's pretty wrong in my experience.

I'm no cymbal expert, and I can only assume you aren't either.
All I know is that Istanbul Agop, the factory, will practically ONLY replace cymbals when the crack follows the lathe line. When the crack goes from the edge towards the center, or something similiar, they'll say "learn 2 play".

Lathe lines are considered the "weak" points as far as I understood it. And thus are the most likely place for cracks due to factory flaws (lathe line is too deep for example, or cymbal is hammered to thin in that spot wich causes a crack wich then spreads through the weak point: the lathe line).

Again, I'm no expert so I can't say this for sure.

All I know, is that the factory at Istanbul is very unlikely to replace a cymbal (under warranty policy) if the crack is anything else then along the lathe lines/grooves.

I know because I had a splash that cracked around the bell (following a lathe line) and a thin crash wich cracked the same way, but on the bow off the cymbal - again along a line.

They asked specifically for the nature of the crack. After making it clear that it was along the grooves, I was informed that they could be replaced without any problem under warranty policy.

[green242]

Your dad =/= every golf player tbh.


-GN

no, but I don't ever see them in stores either

[green242]

Haha yeah, i experience the damage aheads can do to cymbals and I dont know what im talking about.

Nice one.

Anyway, im done with this thread and the incoherent morons in it. You can go back to bigging up the kiddy sticks now.
No you're full of it, that's all.

[ace76543]

Haha yeah, i experienced the damage aheads can do to cymbals. There is no possible way anyone else could have a different experience than mine.

I'm better than you, and my opinions are somehow more valid than yours. You're an idiot if you have a different opinion than me.

Anyway, im done with this thread and since i can't prove any of my arguments, i'm going to insult everyone's intelligence, because everyone knows that's how you win an argument. You can go back to expressing your opinions without ridicule now.

fix'd