Ravenous. More new raayl.

[Raayl]

relentless? yes.

http://www.myspace.com/raayl

Been working on this one for a long time. It's a song I actually took the time to write a long time ago, but didn't have the instruments/capabilities to record. With the new synth and some composational tips from Ben and naut, here's the final product.

You think you’re innocent?
Well there’s blood on your hands
Such pride beneficent
Bathed in the sins of man
A spirit guide sent from hell
Sands of time will never spill
You think you’re innocent?
You’ll see my demons hungry still

I am your spirit’s devil
I will collect your head
You think you’re innocent?
You better think again.

[EADGC]

good job guy. The quality and production are great as always and it's some of your more creative work. Also good to see you using some dynamics contrast.


my only crit is that the transition at 3:06 is awkward. I actually thought it was a different song for a second. The rest seem fine though

[Jaded]

Okay, so I liked the vocals and I think the lyrics fit the song well, but your voice sounds a little too normal sometimes. It doesn't sound hardcore when the vocals come back in around 1:40ish, it needs to sound more evil. I'd remedy this by either using more affect in your voice, or using effects or warping your voice a little, provided you have software that's capable of that. Aside from that, I think the composition is good, it feels like a real song, and the chanting really helps bring out that demonic vibe it sounds like you were going for. I don't know about those synth lines though, they don't quite feel like they are happening yet. I think the rhythm is there, but something about the notes weren't catchy to me.

[Tryxx]

I enjoy it. The ability to keep variety with the simplicity of those vocals is great. The only fault I see is the transition EADG spoke of. I'm not sure how it could differ, maybe start fading in the melody at around 3:00 or so, but in the end it's up to you. I think one of the biggest accomplishments you can make is just having someone listen through the whole song, and you accomplish that every time, so go with it.

Also, I'm really starting to think you reverse these songs in reverse order. Revenous transfers into Titan VII perfectly, This Virus Controls into Godlike, etc.

[edgebass5]

Here's a quote directed at me from another thread:

GO LISTEN TO MY NEW SONG.

I've never heard what you think. I don't know, I'm interested in hearing what your disconnected, sunny disposition has to say about my incessantly depressing, dark, tribal music.

Maybe this has been discussed before in some of your other music threads, but... Are you a big Mike Patton fan? There a lot of vocal similarities, at least in this clip, to Mike Patton. A lot of it reminds me of his Tomahawk project as well... I really enjoyed Tomahawk, and find myself enjoying this as well. I think it could use some refinement, specifically in regards to the transitions (as previously stated), but that's just a matter of continuing to record and progress as an artist.

Keep it up :thumb:

[yuppie]

so you write the basslines? or you just some dj?

[Raayl]

Here's a quote directed at me from another thread:



Maybe this has been discussed before in some of your other music threads, but... Are you a big Mike Patton fan? There a lot of vocal similarities, at least in this clip, to Mike Patton. A lot of it reminds me of his Tomahawk project as well... I really enjoyed Tomahawk, and find myself enjoying this as well. I think it could use some refinement, specifically in regards to the transitions (as previously stated), but that's just a matter of continuing to record and progress as an artist.

Keep it up :thumb:

lmao, my first edge comment.

The transitions are pretty solid imo, cept for the last one. But that one is tricky as it is. The way it was before this version was I broke for another sample...totally killed the flow, mood, and buildup of the song, though. It didnt sound like I was ending the song, didn't sound cohesive, just felt tacked on, so I overlapped it and re-programmed the drums to just keep going right into it. Been looking at it though, thinking. I think its just a matter of paying attention to and noticing the transition. I find that if I'm loosely listening to the song as most do, it moves along fine cause there are technically no timing errors, every transition falls at the start of a new bar.

Nonetheless, appreciated mr. edgebass5.

PS: Yeah, I'm not a closet Mike Patton fan, although the native american aesthetic of this song isn't a homage to the new tomahawk album in any shape or form. It's about the Kiowan genocide, which is a largely unsung native american tragedy in the wake of events such as wounded knee, etc. I actually used to live near a reservation and was exposed to the culture alot, that is where it comes from. I actually wrote the song a long time ago, back when I still lived in northern wisconsin.

[super deluxe]

cool sound. you're getting better layering, and the vocal effects are definitely an improvement. sounds like skinny puppy.

could be my crap work headphones, but there are some production things that came to mind- first, sounds like you're all kinds of crazy about your new synths- and they're really forward in the mix. both too loud, and sort of competing for the vocal space. and turn up the drums. that'd make it slam.

nice work. you've come a long way.

[Raayl]

cool sound. you're getting better layering, and the vocal effects are definitely an improvement. sounds like skinny puppy.

could be my crap work headphones, but there are some production things that came to mind- first, sounds like you're all kinds of crazy about your new synths- and they're really forward in the mix. both too loud, and sort of competing for the vocal space. and turn up the drums. that'd make it slam.

nice work. you've come a long way.

uhh, sounds fine to me.

Everything is mixed as loud as it possibly can be and then some. There are individual tracks of all 3 major frequency ranges for every individual part, excluding drums and the subsonic bass parts. If you're not listening on a good system with good bass you'll miss about half the song. I say that cause I think one of the best features about my synth and the software I use is the ability to track every synth voice with a layer of only the lowest, most bassiest of frequencies. Drums are as loud as they can be without distorting, but I agree the song's melodic front was never meant to mask the rhythm, as the song is based around rhythm. Hence the tribal nature of the drums.

Competing for vocal space...eh. Almost everyone tells me to make my voice louder in the mix...I can never do it. It's a matter of personal preference I guess, I've tried making my voice THE element, but I just hate it everytime. I get positive feedback the louder my voice is, but I just can't stand how it sounds to the point of where I won't do it at all.

Thanks for the comments though, I value your opinion on production.

[edgebass5]

The transitions are pretty solid imo

Take my transitional comments with a grain of salt as this isn't a type of music I'm terribly familiar with...

[muthafunkabass]

If you're not listening on a good system with good bass you'll miss about half the song.
I noticed this. I first listened on the stock speakers on the computer in my house downstairs, but right now I'm listening to it again on my 5.1 system and the drums are alot more forward. The song has a definite improvement when the tribal native drums are heard better.

That said, I don't really like it.


Siphon Spine > everything else still stands.

[super deluxe]

uhh, sounds fine to me.

Everything is mixed as loud as it possibly can be and then some. There are individual tracks of all 3 major frequency ranges for every individual part, excluding drums and the subsonic bass parts. If you're not listening on a good system with good bass you'll miss about half the song. I say that cause I think one of the best features about my synth and the software I use is the ability to track every synth voice with a layer of only the lowest, most bassiest of frequencies. Drums are as loud as they can be without distorting, but I agree the song's melodic front was never meant to mask the rhythm, as the song is based around rhythm. Hence the tribal nature of the drums.

Competing for vocal space...eh. Almost everyone tells me to make my voice louder in the mix...I can never do it. It's a matter of personal preference I guess, I've tried making my voice THE element, but I just hate it everytime. I get positive feedback the louder my voice is, but I just can't stand how it sounds to the point of where I won't do it at all.

Thanks for the comments though, I value your opinion on production.


maybe I wasn't specific enough- I think the vocals are the right loudness. they shouldn't be any louder- it's irritating how loud most people place vocals. I'm talking about the panning and "space" perception of the mix that makes it sound like the synths and vocals are located in the same place. if the synth was a touch quieter, that would alleviate it a bit. could you try throwing those out to the sides?

eh, that's all I got.

[Raayl]

Take my transitional comments with a grain of salt as this isn't a type of music I'm terribly familiar with...

Haha, transitioning is my weakest area as a composer and I'm always looking for new ways to improve the cohesiveness of my pieces regardless of genre.

[Raayl]

maybe I wasn't specific enough- I think the vocals are the right loudness. they shouldn't be any louder- it's irritating how loud most people place vocals. I'm talking about the panning and "space" perception of the mix that makes it sound like the synths and vocals are located in the same place. if the synth was a touch quieter, that would alleviate it a bit. could you try throwing those out to the sides?

eh, that's all I got.

Ohhh, I see what you're saying. That's a very interesting point. I experimented with panning 50% left and right instead of 100% left and right for the chant-like vocals at the end of the song to layer the vocals in a way that still lets you "hear" each individual track together.

There are tons of tracks of synth that are panned all over the place, and there are tons of tracks of vocals that are panned to the same locations. I never really considered that for my harder vocals, but panning to different locations is actually a great solution to "normalize" the difference in volume between the synths and vocals without having to sacrifice any individual part. Wonder why I never thought about that.

Nice.

[Spaceman Spiff]

First listen, the pause is kind of odd, but the song brought the ruckus.

[SlincoJ]

At first I wasn't big on the first section of the song,but now that I've listened to it a couple of times its growing on me,it sounds pretty "sinister" I guess you could say.As has been said the transition to the final part is a little awkward but its definitely livable.

Also,new synth=microkorg?

[Raayl]

At first I wasn't big on the first section of the song,but now that I've listened to it a couple of times its growing on me,it sounds pretty "sinister" I guess you could say.As has been said the transition to the final part is a little awkward but its definitely livable.

Also,new synth=microkorg?

That and some synth programs of which the microkorg is the controller.

[SlincoJ]

Nice,the keyboard player in my band recently got himself a microkorg,its a fun piece of equipment.The sound used in the last section was the give away,one of the best its got I think.

[Duncster]

Sounds great coming from my speakers. Awesome drums, and atmosphere to it. Very creative and smart idea, I just didn't like the second half of the song too much. Everything up to the pause is great. The pause was a good idea, I just think it would sound 10 times better if coming out of the pause there was a solid half bar or full bar build up into the chorus, or at least something to differentiate it from the first chorus. To me it seems to lose all momentum there. The sythn change in the last transaction annoyed me. Just my worthless oppinion.
Very good song anyway.

[naut]

first of all the chanting at the beginning sounds way better now. as i said before that synth lick sounds great with the beat, and the transitions i had mentioned sound good now. don't like that pause at 2:23 though. good outro.

[EADGC]

Haha, transitioning is my weakest area as a composer and I'm always looking for new ways to improve the cohesiveness of my pieces regardless of genre.

You should learn some music theory.

[Raayl]

You should learn some music theory.

Oh how arbitrary.

[EADGC]

Oh how arbitrary.


try an imperfect cadence.

[Raayl]

try an imperfect cadence.

Such ravenous irrelevance!

[EADGC]

i c wut u did ther

[Raayl]

i c wut u did ther

Listen to more raayl, imo.

[TheClap]

Yeah matt I don't know how much theory can be applied with so much anger and angst behind the mic.

[Raayl]

Yeah matt I don't know how much theory can be applied with so much anger and angst behind the mic.

****in' right.

[jordan-z]

i think its ****