The Critique of Music.

[Raayl]

I just read Jody's rant about how this forum is overly critical and negative in regard to people posting things they've done music-wise.

I happen to strongly disagree, I think the "casual-crew" lets sit around and circle jerk everyone's mediocre recordings mentality is rampant and needs to be distintigrated.

Personally, I know how harsh the mainstream can be. After being played on college radio stations and posting my stuff on forums NOT populated by musicians, I'm no stranger to the "what the **** is this?" reaction.

People who are afraid to show themselves on this forum, ultimately, are afraid to even try. Most of these people are under the assumption that "they can't do it" or "i don't have the gear Sade or Naut does." They are obsessed with how "bad" it is and as a result, refuse to even practice recording themselves. They try to "blame" something else for the quality of their recorded material.

Newsflash: Naut and I and others on this forum don't have any more gear than you guys who are so afraid to post do. In fact, I probably have stuff CRAPPIER than yours. People here play conklins and musicmans, I play a 400 dollar mini-synth. So stop with all the ****in' pussy crybaby ****, post your stuff. Thicken your skin, cause its the only way you grow.

[naut]

****in' right. it doesn't take a twelve week expedition to the Amazon to attain some decent equipment. it's over there at GC where you bought your 800 dollar bass you never play.

[Raayl]

****in' right. it doesn't take a twelve expedition to the Amazon to attain some decent equipment. it's over there at GC where you bought your 800 dollar bass you never play.

Exactly. People have such delusional ideas of what makes a good recording artist. It isn't gear, it is SKILL and practice. I've spent 3 years perfecting the recording of my musical adventures. And you know what? The first stuff I did sucked. No way to avoid that, but you need to grow. You can't just "bust out" with an amazing track your first try. Doesn't happen like that. EVER.

You want gear to record with? Sell your 1,700 pointless Conklin bass, buy a 300 dollar audio interface and a SM57 Shure mic, and get to work.

[lemoley]

im not a yank so i dont come into contact with the same peeps you do on these boards, but in my 4 years of being here I have never heard anybody not posting a recording due to them having crap gear...

[Raayl]

im not a yank so i dont come into contact with the same peeps you do on these boards, but in my 4 years of being here I have never heard anybody not posting a recording due to them having crap gear...

Wow, you might wanna start not being retarded then.

[lemoley]

excuse me?

[Jody LeCompte]

I wasn't saying the forum was overly critical and negative, I was simply saying the people who tend to do the most bitching about other peoples music never post their own.

If someone posts their own music and then says mine sucks, it's cool. Atleast they had the balls to post their own. But people who just pop up "Yeah, thats a steaming pile of ****" and then disappear having never posted as much as a picture of their equipment much less a recording that bother me. Because atleast I'm trying.

[Raayl]

excuse me?

Go read the last few pages of the casual, dumbass.

[lemoley]

dude seriously what is your problem, were you not hugged as a kid - or maybe too much?

im just saying what your going on about in your thread does not happen nearly enough to go on a rant about

[Raayl]

I wasn't saying the forum was overly critical and negative, I was simply saying the people who tend to do the most bitching about other peoples music never post their own.

If someone posts their own music and then says mine sucks, it's cool. Atleast they had the balls to post their own. But people who just pop up "Yeah, thats a steaming pile of ****" and then disappear having never posted as much as a picture of their equipment much less a recording that bother me. Because atleast I'm trying.

You don't have to be good at something to be a critic. That said, I do think pieces of **** like Sammy_LD need to go ****in' die.

Posts like he knows everything about music and he is the be-all end-all of everything "sound" related, yet he refuses to post anything he's done. He posted one recording of the most retarded "percussion work" I've ever heard. Banging on pots and pans, literally.

[Jody LeCompte]

I'm cool with Sammy personally, but your post completely sums up what I'm trying to say.

The worst critic I've ever gotten was over a video of my first band, an rhcp rip off band(ugh), playing a gig in a coffee shop. All these people came in and started talking about their "years experience at this and that" and their unbelieable skill at this that and the to the other and how they would never make the mistake of playing like I had.

But they had no videos or recordings to be found.

It's like turning in a resume with no references.

[Misanthropic]

I wasn't saying the forum was overly critical and negative, I was simply saying the people who tend to do the most bitching about other peoples music never post their own.

If someone posts their own music and then says mine sucks, it's cool. Atleast they had the balls to post their own. But people who just pop up "Yeah, thats a steaming pile of ****" and then disappear having never posted as much as a picture of their equipment much less a recording that bother me. Because atleast I'm trying.

same old story, but one hasn't have to be a better musician, or even a musician at all, to critique on someone else's music.

edit: beaten

[EADGC]

I wasn't saying the forum was overly critical and negative, I was simply saying the people who tend to do the most bitching about other peoples music never post their own.

If someone posts their own music and then says mine sucks, it's cool. Atleast they had the balls to post their own. But people who just pop up "Yeah, thats a steaming pile of ****" and then disappear having never posted as much as a picture of their equipment much less a recording that bother me. Because atleast I'm trying.

If they have nothing to show, they have nothing worth showing.

Pay them no mind. I don't care how skilled they are - you're a better musician than them by default, just because you are at least putting your stuff out there.


and epic +1 to everything posted by Sade and Dylan so far itt

[Raayl]

same old story, but one hasn't have to be a better musician, or even a musician at all, to critique on someone else's music.

edit: beaten

Yeah, that is generally a good rule to follow when the people commenting on it aren't trying to rearrange it musically like THEY are the musician, which is what every critique contains here. "Yeah, put this part here, do that there, etc"

Pretending to be a musician is your critique is more believable when people know you don't suck ***.

[EADGC]

same old story, but one hasn't have to be a better musician, or even a musician at all, to critique on someone else's music.

edit: beaten

No, you don't. But you can't say you could do better if you have no proof. If you havn't even posted 1 recording, you better not even think about it.

[Raayl]

No, you don't. But you can't say you could do better if you have no proof. If you havn't even posted 1 recording, you better not even think about it.

Exactly.

[Misanthropic]

No, you don't. But you can't say you could do better if you have no proof. If you havn't even posted 1 recording, you better not even think about it.

i totally agree... and saying "i can do better" isn't really critique in my book. guess i should have included the word "constructive".

[EADGC]

I have no problem with constructive crits. If no one gave them, we wouldn't get any better.

I DO have an issue with the stuff Jody was talking about. People who cut you up and tell you what to do, what they would have done better, what they could have done better etc. when they've never posted anything to back it up.

[Raayl]

I have no problem with constructive crits. If no one gave them, we wouldn't get any better.

I DO have an issue with the stuff Jody was talking about. People who cut you up and tell you what to do, what they would have done better, what they could have done better etc. when they've never posted anything to back it up.

Yeah, pretty much. I really firmly believe that you don't have to be good at something to be a critic, but there is a reason that "Like you could do any better" ALWAYS comes to mind first when dealing with comments like that.

[Jody LeCompte]

It's not even about overall musical skill. It's just about presentation.

Think Youtube comments.

[BenJammin]

im not a yank so i dont come into contact with the same peeps you do on these boards, but in my 4 years of being here I have never heard anybody not posting a recording due to them having crap gear...

Man, every competition ever created here, or any request to have someone record, etc. Always, always, always: "Well, uh. Golly gee, guys. I'd love to record and stuff, but, yeah, I don't have the proper recording equipment. I can't really afford it either. So, yeah. You'll have to take my word on it that I'm amazing and stuff. Yeah."


And for ****'s sake, not everyone who isn't in your time zone is a 'Yank.' And furthermore, the funny thing about a message board is that messages are still there, regardless of the time of day you post. Therefore, you're pretty much just blind, because all the people whining about recording have been there all along.

[naut]

i will personally say, i accept constructive criticism from all, of course. however, i take it much more seriously when i know it's from someone who is also capable of writing/recording/playing good songs, and has shown it.

[Moon Flavor]

Better idea: Have fun with your life and music and mind your own business?

[BenJammin]

Better idea: Have fun with your life and music and mind your own business?

Yes, good idea.

Let's all produce our music at home, and never share it with anyone.

Then we don't have to get acknowledgment and criticism from our peers, and we will be much happier as a result, while our abilities stay stagnant and underdeveloped.

[Moon Flavor]

Yes, good idea.

Let's all produce our music at home, and never share it with anyone.

Then we don't have to get acknowledgment and criticism from our peers, and we will be much happier as a result, while our abilities stay stagnant and underdeveloped.

No, I'm just saying, why the hell does everything have to be so melodramatic with you people? There's a reason I stopped posting here and if it wasn't for the 3,000 "i'm gonna stop posting nau" threads it must have been for the 5,000 "i kno whats best for the forum so listen to me me me me!" threads.

Christ!

[DBoons Ghost]

Better idea: Have fun with your life and music and mind your own business?

Yay!

I stopped posting in here when I asked for people to write basslines in a fun challenge based on a cheesy chord progression and people tried to write masterpieces or they wouldn't post it. It should be about constructive criticism, not omg you suck because you didn't slap or pull off here or one dude actully said one piece of tab "didn't have enough numbers for the piece to be any good."

The mentality in here isn't about support. It's about measuring yourself to the others to know you're better.

Which sucks.

[naut]

Better idea: Have fun with your life and music and mind your own business?

nah i like feedback.

[EADGC]

No, I'm just saying, why the hell does everything have to be so melodramatic with you people? There's a reason I stopped posting here and if it wasn't for the 3,000 "i'm gonna stop posting nau" threads it must have been for the 5,000 "i kno whats best for the forum so listen to me me me me!" threads.

Christ!


Then why did you come back

why aren't you out having fun with your life and minding your own business?

sorry, Ben's argument > yours, imo

[DBoons Ghost]

Yes, good idea.

Let's all produce our music at home, and never share it with anyone.

Then we don't have to get acknowledgment and criticism from our peers, and we will be much happier as a result, while our abilities stay stagnant and underdeveloped.

That's rarely what goes on by way of "acknowledgment and criticism from our peers" when people are allowed to simply crush someone with a "you suck".

That's not where happiness comes from.

[Raayl]

That's rarely what goes on by way of "acknowledgment and criticism from our peers" when people are allowed to simply crush someone with a "you suck".

That's not where happiness comes from.

If you want solitary happiness and solace, then go ****ing pick up knitting.

If you wanna do music, get used to people not liking it, or **** off.

[Moon Flavor]

Then why did you come back

why aren't you out having fun with your life and minding your own business?

sorry, Ben's argument > yours, imo

Because I didn't make any big "I'm leaving bass forum bye" thread and therefore I mysteriously have the ability to surf the web at my whim. Imagine that.

I'm not asking for people to argue with me. I'm asking for people to stop complaining. Stop it. Next time someone "unfairly criticizes" you without a recording of their own, ignore them. It's real easy.

[EADGC]

That's rarely what goes on by way of "acknowledgment and criticism from our peers" when people are allowed to simply crush someone with a "you suck".

That's not where happiness comes from.

Who is paying any attention to the people who post worthless "you suck" critiques with nothing to back up their qualifications to post such a crit?

Like I've said, if you post something and someone else doesn't, they have no right to tell you that you suck. you're already the better musician by default.

[DBoons Ghost]

Then why did you come back

why aren't you out having fun with your life and minding your own business?

sorry, Ben's argument > yours, imo

You of all people should talk. You talked more crap in the early stages of this forum then anyone before you ever backed it up with any of your playing.

It was never about being supportive and nice about criticism. Not in this forum anyway. Maybe you've changed a little but I doubt it.

[EADGC]

I'm not asking for people to argue with me. I'm asking for people to stop complaining. Stop it. Next time someone "unfairly criticizes" you without a recording of their own, ignore them. It's real easy.

Sure and I agree, but what about crits from people that do post their own recordings?

[Raayl]

Because I didn't make any big "I'm leaving bass forum bye" thread and therefore I mysteriously have the ability to surf the web at my whim. Imagine that.

I'm not asking for people to argue with me. I'm asking for people to stop complaining. Stop it. Next time someone "unfairly criticizes" you without a recording of their own, ignore them. It's real easy.

The point of this thread is to cancel out the complaints of some and encourage them to share their music. Shut the **** up with your assumptions.

[BenJammin]

Because I didn't make any big "I'm leaving bass forum bye" thread and therefore I mysteriously have the ability to surf the web at my whim. Imagine that.

I'm not asking for people to argue with me. I'm asking for people to stop complaining. Stop it. Next time someone "unfairly criticizes" you without a recording of their own, ignore them. It's real easy.

You're asking for people to stop complaining?

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[naut]

Yay!

I stopped posting in here when I asked for people to write basslines in a fun challenge based on a cheesy chord progression and people tried to write masterpieces or they wouldn't post it. It should be about constructive criticism, not omg you suck because you didn't slap or pull off here or one dude actully said one piece of tab "didn't have enough numbers for the piece to be any good."

The mentality in here isn't about support. It's about measuring yourself to the others to know you're better.

Which sucks.

if you want a circle jerk then let your family critique you. if you want some slightly more sincere feedback, post it here.

i personally prefer to grow. i don't want to pride myself in being "old school" by playing the same **** for twenty years. that's boring to me; but if others dig it, that's fantastic. i'm in complete support of people's rights to play however, and whatever they want.

[EADGC]

You of all people should talk. You talked more crap in the early stages of this forum then anyone before you ever backed it up with any of your playing.

It was never about being supportive and nice about criticism. Not in this forum anyway. Maybe you've changed a little but I doubt it.

Sure I did and I admit it. Then I grew up. That's in the past now.

and there's a link to my music in my user title

[DBoons Ghost]

If you want solitary happiness and solace, then go ****ing pick up knitting.

If you wanna do music, get used to people not liking it, or **** off.

Oh, I agree. Without a doubt. However, to build "community" in a forum that is supposed to help younger players get better, not build future rock stars, you start small. You work with each other right? Give tips offer advice.. etc..

It's not like anyone in here is on the verge of being signed to a label and has helpful advice. It was never about that, and it's retarded to pretend like this place has been kind to noobs who post bad recordings and get crapped on.

[EADGC]

if you want a circle jerk then let your family critique you. if you want some slightly more sincere feedback, post it here.

i personally prefer to grow. i don't want to pride myself in being "old school" by playing the same **** for twenty years. that's boring to me; but if others dig it, that's fantastic. i'm in complete support of people's rights to play however, and whatever they want.

backed.

[Moon Flavor]

Sure and I agree, but what about crits from people that do post their own recordings?

Ummm...listen to their criticism and better yourself as a musician? I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying "don't post recordings anymore". I'm saying "stop bitching".

sade: Find a nice comfy couch to lay on and relax for a minute.

All the rest of y'all that are posting so fast: Settle down it's just life.

[EADGC]

Oh, I agree. Without a doubt. However, to build "community" in a forum that is supposed to help younger players get better, not build future rock stars, you start small. You work with each other right? Give tips offer advice.. etc..

It's not like anyone in here is on the verge of being signed to a label and has helpful advice. It was never about that, and it's retarded to pretend like this place has been kind to noobs who post bad recordings and get crapped on.

We do though. Who here is posting negative crits, cutting people's work up without telling them what's wrong with it?

A: the majority of the time, the people who never post anything of their own.

[DBoons Ghost]

Sure I did and I admit it. Then I grew up. That's in the past now.

and there's a link to my music in my user title

Yeah and you're a solid player dude. No doubt. I hope a lot of you guys move on to bigger and better. I would have been reluctant to say that in the past, as if my opinion holds any water anyway. I'm in a different place but I wish a lot of people in here would have been more encouraging to younger players along the way.

[EADGC]

Ummm...listen to their criticism and better yourself as a musician? I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying "don't post recordings anymore". I'm saying "stop bitching".


What do you consider bitching?

[Moon Flavor]

What do you consider bitching?

Every time an argument breaks out in the casual thread or "who can play yyz lol" thread, another thread is made ABOUT that argument and one poster's "final solution", and then another poster has to make a ****ing rebuttal thread, and then normally sade's europop-loving cracka *** comes in and tells everybody to **** off, and then somebody makes an anti-sade thread, and then everybody decides to give up and some people get banned repeat repeat repeat repeat

i.e. bass forum

Have some fun with it at least guys come on.

[BenJammin]

Every time an argument breaks out in the casual thread or "who can play yyz lol" thread, another thread is made ABOUT that argument and one poster's "final solution", and then another poster has to make a ****ing rebuttal thread, and then normally sade's europop-loving cracka *** comes in and tells everybody to **** off, and then somebody makes an anti-sade thread, and then everybody decides to give up and some people get banned repeat repeat repeat repeat

i.e. bass forum

Have some fun with it at least guys come on.

Uh.

I can't remember the last time that, or anything even vaguely resembling that, happened here.

[DBoons Ghost]

if you want a circle jerk then let your family critique you. if you want some slightly more sincere feedback, post it here.

i personally prefer to grow. i don't want to pride myself in being "old school" by playing the same **** for twenty years. that's boring to me; but if others dig it, that's fantastic. i'm in complete support of people's rights to play however, and whatever they want.

I agree with the first part Naut. I do. It's important to get that non-biased feedback in a friendly capacity by someone other then mommy "aww lookit how cute". I guess EADGC is right in that a lot of the people who did critique most harshly are those who never post anything. Some users are worse then others. coypu was horrible back in the day.

As to the second, that's why I really stopped being in here all the time. I know I'm out of touch with what you guys are playing. I was then in 01 and 02 and I am now. That's why I try to steer clear because I admit I just don't get it. I play the same crap and it works for me. I'm not out there trying to succeed in music so I just shut up with my old crappy opinions and steered clear.

I still manage to get useful opinions in here though.

[Moon Flavor]

Uh.

I can't remember the last time that, or anything even vaguely resembling that, happened here.

Oh, my bad.


^SEE WHAT I JUST DID THERE?????

Learn to compromise you dolts or you'll never EVER be happy.

[Jody LeCompte]

I think the last time that sort of argument broke out was when Tim said his band's version of YYZ was better than Rush.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Uh.

I can't remember the last time that, or anything even vaguely resembling that, happened here.

Seriously.

I mean, I can recall stuff LIKE that happening, but these claims are exaggerated and that crap hasn't happened in a long time.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I think the last time that sort of argument broke out was when Tim said his band's version of YYZ was better than Rush.

:lol:

Because of his tapping and Sheehan-esque playing that's way better than what Geddy does.

[Raayl]

Seriously.

I mean, I can recall stuff LIKE that happening, but these claims are exaggerated and that crap hasn't happened in a long time.

The forum is fun and interesting now, and including all the laughs we have, we also have good discussion with passionate opinions and good examples of what to do and what not to do.

The forum isn't overly modded, so people are able to be themselves. Act how they'd really act if they were interacting personally.

[BenJammin]

Learn to compromise you dolts or you'll never EVER be happy.

That's not a compromise. That's admitting you're wrong.

A compromise is meeting someone halfway on something. I didn't meet you halfway on anything, nor did you do the same to me.

Furthermore, pretty much sure that my high school Personal Development class taught us that compromise was a very bad situation, because it's a 'lose-lose' scenario, in which neither party are completely happy, and this leads to tension and potentially damages relationships.

/the more you know

[Jody LeCompte]

Knowing is half the battle.

[Moon Flavor]

That's not a compromise. That's admitting you're wrong.

A compromise is meeting someone halfway on something. I didn't meet you halfway on anything, nor did you do the same to me.

Furthermore, pretty much my high school Personal Development class taught us that compromise was a very bad situation, because it's a 'lose-lose' scenario, in which neither party are completely happy, and this leads to tension and potentially damages relationships.

/the more you know

Oh sorry, my bad.

[EADGC]

Every time an argument breaks out in the casual thread or "who can play yyz lol" thread, another thread is made ABOUT that argument and one poster's "final solution", and then another poster has to make a ****ing rebuttal thread, and then normally sade's europop-loving cracka *** comes in and tells everybody to **** off, and then somebody makes an anti-sade thread, and then everybody decides to give up and some people get banned repeat repeat repeat repeat

i.e. bass forum

Have some fun with it at least guys come on.

If you're talking about the Maxwell Murder thing, it's entirely a joke.

we do have fun here. Like Sade said, we're just honest. Part of that is because our mods give us the space to be ourselves, unlike some forums (I think you all know who I'm talking about)

[irishslappop]

This is so retarded. All of the ones preaching about staying critical and posting your music on the internet, Good for you, you do what most are afraid to do. Thats awesome. K? are you happy now? good job. Here's the next step: Stop yelling at people on the internet, stop building this elitist group of "music makers", and get out in THE REAL WORLD where you have to look at someone when your critiquing them, and sell your self to he world. IT follows your line of thinking. If you guys are so amazing, then what are you waiting/posting on the internet for? Get out in the field, talk to people, make connections, get signed, make money.

If your going to lecture every single person that does not record professional quality about being a loser, sucking, or just generally insulting them, you need to shut the **** up and go make money with your music.

[BenJammin]

It never ceases to amuse me that people still discredit the internet as being real. :/

[Jody LeCompte]

People want to downgrade argument on the internet but don't mind arguing on the phone.

[EADGC]

This is so retarded. All of the ones preaching about staying critical and posting your music on the internet, Good for you, you do what most are afraid to do. Thats awesome. K? are you happy now? good job. Here's the next step: Stop yelling at people on the internet, stop building this elitist group of "music makers", and get out in THE REAL WORLD where you have to look at someone when your critiquing them, and sell your self to he world. IT follows your line of thinking. If you guys are so amazing. then what are you waiting/posting on the internet for? Get out in the field, talk to people, make connections, get signed, make money.

If your going to lecture every single person that does not record professional quality about being a loser, sucking, or just generally insulting them, you need to shut the **** up and go make money with your music.

What about the shows we play? The albums Sade and Ben have put out?

how is that not "the real world"?

no, no one is making contacts in LA right now, but come on. You have to start somewhere.

[Raayl]

This is so retarded. All of the ones preaching about staying critical and posting your music on the internet, Good for you, you do what most are afraid to do. Thats awesome. K? are you happy now? good job. Here's the next step: Stop yelling at people on the internet, stop building this elitist group of "music makers", and get out in THE REAL WORLD where you have to look at someone when your critiquing them, and sell your self to he world. IT follows your line of thinking. If you guys are so amazing. then what are you waiting/posting on the internet for? Get out in the field, talk to people, make connections, get signed, make money.

If your going to lecture every single person that does not record professional quality about being a loser, sucking, or just generally insulting them, you need to shut the **** up and go make money with your music.

Lmao, you are one of the first people I think of when I think of people that like to "pretend" they are musicians by posting big elaborate critiques on other people's music, somehow assuming you could or know how to do it better.

PS, the real world? Yeah, cause the internet isn't the largest and most influential force in a contemporary landscape. It's terrible getting your music out to all ends of the country from the comfort of your own home in a heartbeat. That is so terrible for your exposure.

Shut your mouth, retard. I'm really starting to despise you.

[EADGC]

PS, the real world? Yeah, cause the internet isn't the largest and most influential force in a contemporary landscape. It's terrible getting your music out to all ends of the country from the comfort of your own home in a heartbeat. That is so terrible for your exposure.


*world

[Raayl]

*world

Yeah, exactly-and that's another point. Half my fans live thousands of miles away.

But you're right, the "real world" is just the suburb of chicago where I live. That is all that "counts."

[BenJammin]

Yeah, exactly-and that's another point. Half my fans live thousands of miles away.

But you're right, the "real world" is just the suburb of chicago where I live. That is all that "counts."

I shipped a copy of my first album in Japan. Shame that that's worthless in the real world.

[Raayl]

I shipped a copy of my first album in Japan. Shame that that's worthless in the real world.

I know, right? Stick your lonely little canadian island of frozen despair, Ben. That's all that matters.

[Moon Flavor]

I don't even know how to approach this anymore. Rename this thread "place where people go if they want to argue for the sake of arguing" plz.

[Raayl]

I don't even know how to approach this anymore. Rename this thread "place where people go if they want to argue for the sake of arguing" plz.

Approach it by going to be happy in your isolation, big guy.

[Moon Flavor]

I suck at recording and industrial music and I can't play yyz.

lololollolololol

[Raayl]

lololollolololol

Don't you have some music to not record and not share with anybody?

[Left Shoe]

If they have nothing to show, they have nothing worth showing.

Pay them no mind. I don't care how skilled they are - you're a better musician than them by default, just because you are at least putting your stuff out there.


and epic +1 to everything posted by Sade and Dylan so far itt

are you telling me, that if a kid with down syndrome played a 6 hour maraca sonata in front of 500,000 people, he would be better than anyone on this site who hasnt posted a recording?

[Jody LeCompte]

Holy hell dude, shut the **** up.

Editing quotes is quite possibly the lamest ****ing "LAWL IM SO CLEVER" bullshit I've seen since the invention of internet forums.

[Left Shoe]

at least hes putting his stuff out there jody, thats better than someone not posting at all

[josh3184]

i have a worrying feeling that this is turning into another "stop bitching" thread, whereby the only actual result will be mucho bitching about everybody bitching

[Jody LeCompte]

Well by your logic.

I am posting, so I have no problem calling him a jackass.

[Moon Flavor]

Dickballsvagina

all day long baby

[muthafunkabass]

Because a person didn't post a recording on a forum they are not as good as a musician who has??

[Left Shoe]

but you critiqued him dude, dont worry about him hes producing posts, worry about the people who dont post.

[Riouken]

EADGC, I may have taken what you said in the wrong way but I remember you syaing somehtinglike, "If they haven't posted anything themselves, they have no right to say you suck".

I disagree! It obviously depends, but you have two problems:

1. Even a non-muscians opinion is as important as another musicians, if they think you suck and give you some small crit... then take it!

2. If you mean a non-constructive comment like "YOU SUCK!", then you have implied that only people who post recordings are granted this power to be such assholes about it.

I don't think it's alright for anybody to just say "you suck" without some constructive feedback to go with it. I don't care if you post recordings or not.

I doubt you meant it this way, but just thought I'd point it out.#


EDIT: Oh yeah and "by default you are already the better musician" is a ridiculous thing to say dude.It sounds like you are saying, "ignore their crit because you are a better musicians by default". Again, I don't know if you actually meant that ornot, but it is certainly implied!

[Ting]

This thread scares me.

[Moon Flavor]

Holy hell dude, shut the **** up.

Editing quotes is quite possibly the lamest ****ing "LAWL IM SO CLEVER" bullshit I've seen since the invention of internet forums.

You're missing the point jody.

Point being that none of this matters, and you guys should know this by now.

Everyone have a good day! I sincerely mean that.:):chug:

[Misanthropic]

can't remember the last time i saw the forums this active.

[EADGC]

are you telling me, that if a kid with down syndrome played a 6 hour maraca sonata in front of 500,000 people, he would be better than anyone on this site who hasnt posted a recording?

Ok you got me there and I see your point.

I don't mean "better/more skilled player"

I meant something closer to "more mature artist".

[muthafunkabass]

Misanthropic- Sade can always get a fight going. :thumb:

[Left Shoe]

Ok you got me there and I see your point.

I don't mean "better/more skilled player"

I meant something closer to "more mature artist".

haha **** that, so by that half baked child shaking a maraca for 6 hours, he is more mature as a musician than i am, for not standing on that same stage.

can't remember the last time i saw the forums this active.

alot of people saying alot of stupid **** gets people moving

[EADGC]

EADGC, I may have taken what you said in the wrong way but I remember you syaing somehtinglike, "If they haven't posted anything themselves, they have no right to say you suck".

I disagree! It obviously depends, but you have two problems:

1. Even a non-muscians opinion is as important as another musicians, if they think you suck and give you some small crit... then take it!

2. If you mean a non-constructive comment like "YOU SUCK!", then you have implied that only people who post recordings are granted this power to be such spatulas about it.

I don't think it's alright for anybody to just say "you suck" without some constructive feedback to go with it. I don't care if you post recordings or not.

I doubt you meant it this way, but just thought I'd point it out.

let me clarify:

I think anyone has the right to give constructive criticism, musician or not. I think anyone has the right to not like something.


I do not think that someone who has never had the guts to show their stuff has any place cutting someone else up.

At least the person they're attacking put something out there to be critiqued, which is more than the attacker can say for themselves.

[irishslappop]

Lmao, you are one of the first people I think of when I think of people that like to "pretend" they are musicians by posting big elaborate critiques on other people's music, somehow assuming you could or know how to do it better.

PS, the real world? Yeah, cause the internet isn't the largest and most influential force in a contemporary landscape. It's terrible getting your music out to all ends of the country from the comfort of your own home in a heartbeat. That is so terrible for your exposure.

Shut your mouth, retard. I'm really starting to despise you.

When have i ever pretended anything you douche? I have posted ONE recording on here a LOOONG time ago. IT SUCKED, so i didn't post any more, because they sucked. I have never pretended anything. your fooling yourself into thinking that anyone that disagrees with your radical *** opinion is a "pseudo musician" and if ****ing gets you off.

and as for the internet being the most influential force blah blah blah, your wrong. THE WORLD IS. Just because the internet is the most influential place for YOU to spread your music, doesn't mean it's going to amount to **** when you go meet people face to face in THE REAL WORLD [GASP] I understand it's hard being a ****ing psyco and selling your stuff, because obviously, people wont relate. It's fine that you take pride in being an internet star, but it's kind of pathetic man.

Yeah man, big elaborate posts about a song. What was the last thing i said about your song? something along the lines of "I thought it was good, don't quite like it as much as the older stuff, but good job." Wow man, long winded, overly dramatic, insulting even right? oh wait....thats just you.

I don't like shitting on you buddy, but you ****ing as for it. Go talk to someone in real life ans stop yelling at people on forums and thinking your some kind of "Omni-thought". Your ****ing annoying, and you pretty much take all fun out of anything because your obsessed with being professional about it. I should record something as horribly as i possibly can just to piss you off, and while it would be funny to see your head explode and go on a rant about how my life is over and i should kill myself for such a non professional, jerk off recording, i'd rather just let you sit and stew about it at your computer and write me up some bullshit about how you'd like it, just to prove me wrong.

**** you. You make good music man. But that doesn't give you the right to Completely **** on other people's work, insult them personally, and generally **** them in the ***. When you become modest about your music is when you'll succeed and become successful in a people medium. not text.

im done.

[EADGC]

haha **** that, so by that half baked child shaking a maraca for 6 hours, he is more mature as a musician than i am, for not standing on that same stage.

there's more to being a good musician or artist than being good at playing your instrument.

Musicians are entertainers. That's the point of putting your material out there, is it not?

[Left Shoe]

let me clarify:

I think anyone has the right to give constructive criticism, musician or not. I think anyone has the right to not like something.


I do not think that someone who has never had the guts to show their stuff has any place cutting someone else up.

At least the person they're attacking put something out there to be critiqued, which is more than the attacker can say for themselves.

what if you dont compose or record? i am mainly a session player, i show up and play whats in front of me, i improvise, etc etc etc. just because i have never posted a recording here allthe people who have posted shitty ones are more mature musicians than i am?

[Left Shoe]

there's more to being a good musician or artist than being good at playing your instrument.

Musicians are entertainers. That's the point of putting your material out there, is it not?

so you would be entertained by this retard for 6 hours on his maraca.

[josh3184]

This thread scares me.


as scary as it is pointless. qft

[EADGC]

what if you dont compose or record? i am mainly a session player, i show up and play whats in front of me, i improvise, etc etc etc. just because i have never posted a recording here allthe people who have posted poopty ones are more mature musicians than i am?

Do you cut people's work up to **** for no reason? No.

So no, you're not. That's not what we're saying.

We're saying you have no right to cut someone on this board up and call their work **** if you've never shared anything of your own. At least they posted something - they have that over you.

[EADGC]

so you would be entertained by this retard for 6 hours on his maraca.

I didn't say that, see above post

also that's not really what we're talking about

[Riouken]

let me clarify:

I think anyone has the right to give constructive criticism, musician or not. I think anyone has the right to not like something.


I do not think that someone who has never had the guts to show their stuff has any place cutting someone else up.

At least the person they're attacking put something out there to be critiqued, which is more than the attacker can say for themselves.

I was almost agreeing with you but not on the last point!

Surely you should disagree with ANYONE "cutting someone else up" without any constructive feedback? And what has the attacker got to do with it? It's about your music, not a competition about who personally said what!

I'd take Left_Shoe's or anyone elses crit as seriously as you or Sade's.

[Left Shoe]

Do you cut people's work up to **** for no reason? No.

So no, you're not. That's not what we're saying.

We're saying you have no right to cut someone on this board up and call their work **** if you've never shared anything of your own. At least they posted something - they have that over you.

i still dont see why wankering for sade makes lowsound a better bass player than me on any level, but i guess you win here? your reasons dont really stack.

EDIT: riou, i missed you.

[EADGC]

I was almost agreeing with you but not on the last point!

Surely you should disagree with ANYONE "cutting someone else up" without any constructive feedback? And what has the attacker got to do with it? It's about your music, not a competition about who personally said what!

I'd take Left_Shoe's or anyone elses crit as seriously as you or Sade's.

Yes I do disagree with that, but especially if the attacker hasn't posted something of their own

does that make sense?

[Raayl]

so you would be entertained by this retard for 6 hours on his maraca.

Lmao, way to take it completely out of context.

You completely missed the point. Completely.

Mostly you missed the point because you see yourself as a potential target of this thread. Don't think I have forgotten about the recordings you sent me in the past. I still have one of them, and it sucked. It was terrible. You, however-thought it was just AWESOME cause you were double thumbing and being so amazingly awesome.

Want me to post it and make you look like a jackass? Shut the **** up Mr. "Session Bassist." Wouldn't pay you 5 dollars to play on a track.

[EADGC]

i still dont see why wankering for sade makes lowsound a better bass player than me on any level, but i guess you win here? your reasons dont really stack.

EDIT: riou, i missed you.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but:

I'm not saying lowsound is a better player than you. I'm not talking about skill at all.


I'm saying that one does not have a right to attack someone else's work and call it ****, especially if they havn't posted something of their own.


but you have never done that to my knowledge so disregard it - I'm not talking about you at all.

[Raayl]

i still dont see why wankering for sade makes lowsound a better bass player than me on any level, but i guess you win here? your reasons dont really stack.

EDIT: riou, i missed you.

Nobody ever said posting something makes you "better than others." Lmfao, where the **** are you getting that from? You are beyond stupid, pal.

This thread is about posting your stuff for other people to listen to it and analyze it. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST MX, YA ****IN' DIPSHIT.

[Left Shoe]

you are missing another key point to this. id say about 5 of us here are studying music, lets say we dont post any of our recordings, who is going to give better critique? but i guess we dont have any right to do so.

[Raayl]

you are missing another key point to this. id say about 5 of us here are studying music, lets say we dont post any of our recordings, who is going to give better critique? but i guess we dont have any right to do so.

It's not just about recordings, its about "musicians" who are entirely self-proclaimed. If you have some knowledge of music and demonstrate it, it is essentially the same as exposing your musical self in a recording.

Stop arguing just because you don't like who you're arguing with. Makes you look more retarded than you actually are.

[Left Shoe]

Lmao, way to take it completely out of context.

You completely missed the point. Completely.

Mostly you missed the point because you see yourself as a potential target of this thread. Don't think I have forgotten about the recordings you sent me in the past. I still have one of them, and it sucked. It was terrible. You, however-thought it was just AWESOME cause you were double thumbing and being so amazingly awesome.

Want me to post it and make you look like a jackass? Shut the **** up Mr. "Session Bassist." Wouldn't pay you 5 dollars to play on a track.
that post was a joke and you know it. also, posting those to make me look like a jackass would make it look like you forgot that part in your first post of the thread about how your first recordings sucked.

post script, ive got a backing track i want you to rap over.

Nobody ever said posting something makes you "better than others." Lmfao, where the **** are you getting that from? You are beyond stupid, pal.

This thread is about posting your stuff for other people to listen to it and analyze it. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST MX, YA ****IN' DIPSHIT.

im aware of this, im keeping it in a common context.

[Raayl]

that post was a joke and you know it. also, posting those to make me look like a jackass would make it look like you forgot that part in your first post of the thread about how your first recordings sucked.

post script, ive got a backing track i want you to rap over.

I never proclaimed any of those to be any good. You, however-thought you were a god.

Too bad you're not.

[Riouken]

Nobody ever said posting something makes you "better than others." Lmfao, where the **** are you getting that from? You are beyond stupid, pal.

This thread is about posting your stuff for other people to listen to it and analyze it. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST MX, YA ****IN' DIPSHIT.

I think confusion has stemmed from what EADGC said about, "You are already a better musician by default."

And EADGC, I think we will have to agree to disagree lol! It's not ok for anyone to say "you're ****" without feedback... anyone who does that is being a complete twat and it is totally unfounded!

If you said "You're ****" and Victor Wooten said, "You're ****", then I'd still beg both of you for some constructive feedback... neither of you have any real place to say that.

[EADGC]

you are missing another key point to this. id say about 5 of us here are studying music, lets say we dont post any of our recordings, who is going to give better critique? but i guess we dont have any right to do so.

You still aren't getting what I'm saying here


first of all I don't see how whether someone is studying music or not has anything to do with it.

Everyone has the right to an opinion and critique, whether they post their tunes or not.


I just don't think anyone has the right to call someone else's work outright dog **** with no constructive criticism, especially if they don't even have the guts to share their own work.

[Left Shoe]

I never proclaimed any of those to be any good. You, however-thought you were a god.

Too bad you're not.

i mean did you say your re writing of the zelda theme was better than the original, so i guess we will call it even there.

so im taking it as a no on that rapping for me?

[EADGC]

I think confusion ahs stemmed form what EADGC said about, "You are laready a better musician by default."

And EADGC, I think we will have to agree to disagree lol! It's no ok for anyone to say "you're ****" without feedback... anyone who does that is being a complete twat and it is totally unfounded!

If you said "You're ****" and Victor Wooten said, "You're ****", then I'd still beg both of you for some constructive feedback... neither of you have any real place to say that.

I didn't mean "more skilled"

I meant "more mature"

that's where the confusion comes from, sorry guys that's my bad for not being specific.


and I agree that it's not ok under any circumstance for someone to call someone else's work **** with no justification. I just think it's even worse when the attacker won't even post recordings of their own for critique.

[Raayl]

When have i ever pretended anything you douche? I have posted ONE recording on here a LOOONG time ago. IT SUCKED, so i didn't post any more, because they sucked. I have never pretended anything. your fooling yourself into thinking that anyone that disagrees with your radical *** opinion is a "pseudo musician" and if ****ing gets you off.

and as for the internet being the most influential force blah blah blah, your wrong. THE WORLD IS. Just because the internet is the most influential place for YOU to spread your music, doesn't mean it's going to amount to **** when you go meet people face to face in THE REAL WORLD [GASP] I understand it's hard being a ****ing psyco and selling your stuff, because obviously, people wont relate. It's fine that you take pride in being an internet star, but it's kind of pathetic man.

Yeah man, big elaborate posts about a song. What was the last thing i said about your song? something along the lines of "I thought it was good, don't quite like it as much as the older stuff, but good job." Wow man, long winded, overly dramatic, insulting even right? oh wait....thats just you.

I don't like poopting on you buddy, but you ****ing as for it. Go talk to someone in real life ans stop yelling at people on forums and thinking your some kind of "Omni-thought". Your ****ing annoying, and you pretty much take all fun out of anything because your obsessed with being professional about it. I should record something as horribly as i possibly can just to piss you off, and while it would be funny to see your head explode and go on a rant about how my life is over and i should kill myself for such a non professional, jerk off recording, i'd rather just let you sit and stew about it at your computer and write me up some bullpoop about how you'd like it, just to prove me wrong.

**** you. You make good music man. But that doesn't give you the right to Completely **** on other people's work, insult them personally, and generally **** them in the ***. When you become modest about your music is when you'll succeed and become successful in a people medium. not text.

im done.

Laughin' my ****in *** off.

Yeah, you sure told me never to get mad and type a 4 page incoherent essay with tons of random vulgarities showcasing your inability to control yourself.

Good job.

[Riouken]

I didn't mean "more skilled"

I meant "more mature"

that's where the confusion comes from, sorry guys that's my bad for not being specific.


and I agree that it's not ok under any circumstance for someone to call someone else's work **** with no justification. I just think it's even worse when the attacker won't even post recordings of their own for critique.

Nah, I know you never meant more "skill"!

And it depends what you want out of being a musician. I never post recordings anymor! Infact, I rarely even compose music! I just like to do learn about music, lsiten to music, do some sessions and whatnot, teach etc. etc.

I imporivse a lot but I never do anything worth recording and producing like some other guys do. I find it wholey arrogant of you to suggest that you are a more mature and thus, better musician than me because of that.

I'm not saying you're not hahaha :lol:! I'm just trying to give you the other side.

[Left Shoe]

Laughin' my ****in *** off.

Yeah, you sure told me never to get mad and type a 4 page incoherent essay with tons of random vulgarities showcasing your inability to control yourself.

Good job.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FTAPTPB1

so i mean, if you dont want to rap over it, let me know, or just dont haha

[EADGC]

Nah, I know you never meant more "skill"!

And it depends what you want out of being a musician. I never post recordings anymor! Infact, I rarely even compose music! I just like to do learn about music, lsiten to music, do some sessions and whatnot, teach etc. etc.

I imporivse a lot but I never do anything worth recording and producing like some other guys do. I find it wholey arrogant of you to suggest that you are a more mature and thus, better musician than me because of that.

I'm not saying you're not hahaha :lol:! I'm just trying to give you the other side.


I'm not saying I'm more mature or better than anyone just because I post more recordings. If you want to keep your music to yourself and mind your own business that's totally fine with me

I'm just saying (speaking hypothetically) if you're going to cut everyone up with nothing to show for yourself - that's just pathetic.

get what I'm saying?

[Left Shoe]

this is going in retarded circles.

[EADGC]

I'm sick of posting my points over and over, believe me. But no one seems to be getting them, for some reason

[Riouken]

I'm not saying I'm more mature or better than anyone just because I post more recordings. If you want to keep your music to yourself and mind your own business that's totally fine with me

I'm just saying (speaking hypothetically) if you're going to cut everyone up with nothing to show for yourself - that's just pathetic.

get what I'm saying?

Yeah, it is pathetic for anyone to do that! I agree.

Oh, and don't try and cnodescend me with "but people don't seem to begetting them, for some reason."

It's totally understandable why some would get confsued

"By default you are the better musician" - Keep in mind "musicain" means differet things to different people.

"If you haven't posted something yourself, you don't have the right o cut someone else up" - Thus implying if you HAVE recorded you DO have the right.

This is where my confusion stemmed from dude, it's not because I just don't get it.

[EADGC]

Yeah, it is pathetic for anyone to do that! I agree.

Oh, and don't try and cnodescend me with "but people don't seem to begetting them, for some reason."

It's totally understandable why some would get confsued

"By default you are the better musician" - Keep in mind "musicain" means differet things to different people.

"If you haven't posted something yourself, you don't have the right o cut someone else up" - Thus implying if you HAVE recorded you DO have the right.

This is where my confusion stemmed from dude, it's not because I just don't get it.

That's my bad then, sorry.

[josh3184]

I'd suggest a mod close this as its going nowhere, but at least it keeps it out of the casual

[Ting]

Argue with Mics over yim or skype!

[EADGC]

Argue with Mics over yim or skype!

DO IT

[lemoley]

wow, this is still going on?

[EADGC]

not really.

[Jody LeCompte]

Yeah. It died in the time it took me to smoke a cigarette.

Kind of like any other discussion on this forum.

[irishslappop]

this is going in retarded circles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/irishslappop/foshizzle-1.jpg

[irishslappop]

Yeah, you sure told me never to get mad and type a 4 page incoherent essay with tons of random vulgarities showcasing your inability to control yourself.

Good job.

:thumb:

Maybe a little self reflection will show that This
tons of random vulgarities showcasing your inability to control yourself.

is actually just you...


yeah im done with this non sense. go ahead and say something back...im not gonna read it :rolleyes:

[Spaceman Spiff]

...and that's the end of the discussion. If you continue to talk, I'm just going to stick my fingers in my ears and go BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH until you stop talking BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

[Ting]

Gimmick!

[Raayl]

:thumb:

Maybe a little self reflection will show that This


is actually just you...


yeah im done with this non sense. go ahead and say something back...im not gonna read it :rolleyes:

Lmao, yes you are gonna read it, you're just not going to say anything back to pretend like you didn't read it. Don't try to feed me my own lines.

Nice job humiliating yourself, though. We all had a great time laughing about you on MSN. You know, that messenger system on the internet. You know, that internet-the thing that doesn't matter at all.

[ariathe22nd]

i thinik its ok to tell ppl they suck if u giv them constructive crit
i just posted some recordings and all i got was ppl tellin me i suck and laughin
ouch

[Sammy_L_D]

Banging on pots and pans, literally.

It's an udu percussion n0ob, get it right.

While we're at it, why would I go out of my way to make a poorly recorded demo of my unfinished songs, just to attempt to impress some dude who makes posts on an internet forum, that I've never met before, whom I could care less to ever meet, and probably never will?

[Raayl]

It's an udu percussion n0ob, get it right.

While we're at it, why would I go out of my way to make a poorly recorded demo of my unfinished songs, just to attempt to impress some dude who makes posts on an internet forum, that I've never met before, whom I could care less to ever meet, and probably never will?

So you don't have the entire forum laugh in your face when you try to critique something.

And don't say "you don't care." If you really didn't care you wouldn't bother posting at all.

[EADGC]

It's an udu percussion n0ob, get it right.

While we're at it, why would I go out of my way to make a poorly recorded demo of my unfinished songs, just to attempt to impress some dude who makes posts on an internet forum, that I've never met before, whom I could care less to ever meet, and probably never will?

didn't you meet up with lowsound? A few times?

[Sammy_L_D]

So you don't have the entire forum laugh in your face when you try to critique something.

And don't say "you don't care." If you really didn't care you wouldn't bother posting at all.

OH NOEZ!!! THE FORUM LAUGHS AT ME WHEN I CRITIQUE!!! THE END HAS COME!!! SOUND THE ALARMS!!!

If the forum laughed at me for critiquing something (UH OH!), I'll click the "Log Out" button. Problem solved.

[Sammy_L_D]

didn't you meet up with lowsound? A few times?

Yeah, I happened to meet him through my workplace and such. Same with Ting, and a few others.

Unless Raayl happens to live in Ontario, I highly doubt I'll ever come in contact with him.

[Raayl]

OH NOEZ!!! THE FORUM LAUGHS AT ME WHEN I CRITIQUE!!! THE END HAS COME!!! SOUND THE ALARMS!!!

If the forum laughed at me for critiquing something (UH OH!), I'll click the "Log Out" button. Problem solved.

Oh shut the **** up douche bag, you did exactly what I knew you would. Yeah, you're disconnected. You're my hero. Nobody here cares, everyone thinks you're a ****in' retard, good game living up to it.

[Sammy_L_D]

Oh shut the **** up douche bag, you did exactly what I knew you would. Yeah, you're disconnected. You're my hero. Nobody here cares, everyone thinks you're a ****in' retard, good game living up to it.

It's posts like these that can make me never dislike you. :thumb:

[Raayl]

didn't you meet up with lowsound? A few times?

Oh my god, Sammy_LD and lowsound? IRL? Lmfao, that explains SO MUCH.

[Sammy_L_D]

His internet personality is brutal.

Rather cool dude in person though.

[Spaceman Spiff]

I bet Raayl is more in-your-face and upfront with people in real life. He's pretty chillin' online, though.

[Raayl]

I bet Raayl is more in-your-face and upfront with people in real life. He's pretty chillin' online, though.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa.

[EADGC]

To quote Raayl:


I'm not like that in real life

I'm WORSE

[Duncster]

I have no problem with constructive crits. If no one gave them, we wouldn't get any better.

I DO have an issue with the stuff Jody was talking about. People who cut you up and tell you what to do, what they would have done better, what they could have done better etc. when they've never posted anything to back it up.

Hate to be a little bitch but this kind of bugs me. I mean you really seemed to think rayyl was justified in saying "your music is dogshit" and "you havent progressed as a musician over 4 years" with other dick comments, but if someone who hasn't posted a song tells you what they could or would have done better and cuts up your music a bit... youve got an issue?

So its fair for a random guy with a CD out on the internet to tell someone he should never try to play music again, cause its so ****ing terrible he cant go anywhere in life with it. Now when the random guy with no CD out tells the first guy with the CD something like "your note choice was horrible in the verse, and I didnt enjoy the song" hes an asshole

Sounds exagerrated but if you consider how you responded to rayyl in the comp thread to what youve said here, thats just how it sounds.

bring on the flames

[Mr. Pickle]

So srsly, when is JoZ going to be done?

[EADGC]

Hate to be a little bitch but this kind of bugs me. I mean you really seemed to think rayyl was justified in saying "your music is dogpoop" and "you havent progressed as a musician over 4 years" with other dick comments, but if someone who hasn't posted a song tells you what they could or would have done better and cuts up your music a bit... youve got an issue?

So its fair for a random guy with a CD out on the internet to tell someone he should never try to play music again, cause its so ****ing terrible he cant go anywhere in life with it. Now when the random guy with no CD out tells the first guy with the CD something like "your note choice was horrible in the verse, and I didnt enjoy the song" hes an asshole

Sounds exagerrated but if you consider how you responded to rayyl in the comp thread to what youve said here, thats just how it sounds.

bring on the flames

That's not the case at all. I said I have no problem with constructive criticism. Comments such as:

"your music is dogpoop"
"you havent progressed as a musician over 4 years"
"[you] should never try to play music again, cause its so ****ing terrible [you] cant go anywhere in life with it."

are not constructive at all.

[Raayl]

That's not the case at all. I said I have no problem with constructive criticism. Comments such as:

"your music is dogpoop"
"you havent progressed as a musician over 4 years"
"[you] should never try to play music again, cause its so ****ing terrible [you] cant go anywhere in life with it."

are not constructive at all.

Destruction is a form of creation.

[Az_Holl]

I dont understand why we need a thread on this at all really.

People should be mature enough to give and take criticism.

The main reason i dont critique other peoples stuff very often (even though ive listened to pretty much everything posted here in the last 3 years) is because i really dont think theres much criticism i can give other than 'i like it/i dont like it'

I think the same occurs for most 'non-musicians' they can hear that theres something 'wrong' with the music (out of time, bad production whatever), but they dont have the language/knowledge (like me) to be able to state what it was that they didnt like.

i am getting better at it though, and i do try to contribute, i havent posted any music in a long time and even when i did it was pretty horrible.

In summary: stop thinking, start making.

[EADGC]

Destruction is a form of creation.

Telling someone they outright suck/fail/can't make anything worth listening to/can't play their instruments at all/should go die doesn't tell them what they did wrong. Criticism is supposed to help you improve, not make you want to give up your hobbies.

[Raayl]

Telling someone they outright suck/fail/can't make anything worth listening to/can't play their instruments at all/should go die doesn't tell them what they did wrong. Criticism is supposed to help you improve, not make you want to give up your hobbies.

Nah, completely destroying someone's self-image is often the first and most important step in the re-invention of self. Take any philosophy class. The self becomes defined after the destruction of all internal concepts based on the confluence of the external.

In some cases, as the greek philsopher Socrates would say, the soul comes to the body from god and is wiped clean. Destroyed to begin a-new.

Saying "you suck, I hate your music" communicates my dislike in a way that is shocking and destructive. But to say that I'm not allowed to say that because there are more positive things to focus on? Why? Who cares, I don't give a **** what he thinks of me. I ****in' think his music is a pile of ****in' dogshit. I have nothing to prove, nothing to sustain, this is MX. He released a shitty song I ****in' told him about it.

I didn't sign up to constantly give positive critique. You post, I'm gonna be part of the problem and tell you your **** ****ing sucks. I could care less if you improve, but at least you know.

[Raayl]

PS, I don't know if you listened to his other stuff, but he CAN'T make anything worth listening to. 4 years of this garbage and not one song has shown any sign of improvement. NOT ONE.

What makes you think now all of a sudden he'll start listening to your little dodgey/fraid-y-cat tactics? He won't. He'll brush them off cause you didn't cut him deep enough. Make him bleed so much that he turns pale and falls to the floor. Make him swim in his own blood, that will make him realize.

[Left Shoe]

That's not the case at all. I said I have no problem with constructive criticism. Comments such as:

"your music is dogpoop"
"you havent progressed as a musician over 4 years"
"[you] should never try to play music again, cause its so ****ing terrible [you] cant go anywhere in life with it."

are not constructive at all.

and honestly if i think that about your music, im not going to hold my tongue.

[funkyhoney]

Mmm, yeah so who really gives a **** what douchebags on the net think of your amateur music.

[ariathe22nd]

That's not the case at all. I said I have no problem with constructive criticism. Comments such as:

"your music is dogpoop"
"you havent progressed as a musician over 4 years"
"[you] should never try to play music again, cause its so ****ing terrible [you] cant go anywhere in life with it."

are not constructive at all.

so pretty much what u said about my recordings yesterday is perfect example of these kind of comments

[:amaze:]

o snap.




:amaze:

[madtaste]

so pretty much what u said about my recordings yesterday is perfect example of these kind of comments

Troll can't take trolling.

[Jaded]

Hmm. I often find that the best critique comes from my friend's 16 year old sister who has ridiculous ADHD, and also happens to have an very good ear for music. If she can listen to your song for 30 seconds, it's good. If she can listen to it all the way through, it is pure gold. I think it may be in part that she is unbiased as far as the instrumental and "music geek" aspect is concerned, and if a song is truly catchy, she likes it.

[EADGC]

so pretty much what u said about my recordings yesterday is perfect example of these kind of comments

I said you shouldn't post music with mistakes/poor recording quality

that's constructive.


I'll even quote myself for everyone to see:



what's with the buzzing in the background?

what kind of mic is it?

simple question



yeah please tell me this is a joke


I don't think it's unreasonable to think it was a joke. aria is one of the most critical musicians here and is known for being a total perfectionist. He cuts up pretty much everything. Why wouldn't I think it was a joke that he posted a recording that was poor quality, out of tune, out of time, full of mistakes.. etc. I wasn't the only one who thought that either.


Honestly I don't understand why you would even bother posting these songs with that many mistakes and in that low quality

but that's just me


why don't you at least post something you've got down?


That's constructive criticism


note that I also gave you advice on how to make the files smaller.



so please explain to me where I insulted you or called your music ****.

[EADGC]

and honestly if i think that about your music, im not going to hold my tongue.

yeah and that's fine, but try to at least mention how you think I can improve too

[ariathe22nd]

k i wont post any recordings then cuz im not rich and cant afford expensive gear sorry for doing it

[Raayl]

k i wont post any recordings then cuz im not rich and cant afford expensive gear sorry for doing it

Lmfao, again with the "I blame it on my gear" excuse.

[ariathe22nd]

what

i dont have a problem with my gear at all

[EADGC]

k i wont post any recordings then cuz im not rich and cant afford expensive gear sorry for doing it

two questions:

1) did you try to edit or master your recordings at all?


2) did you consider other ways of recording, such as renting, borrowing a better mic or booking some studio time?


I know you have a **** mic but there are ways around that.

[ariathe22nd]

1
no i didnt cuz it ruins the natural sound of my gtar when i take the tiny buzzing out

2 no i didnt because i cant afford it


evreryone was in a real hurry to hear me play so i got a mic and did it

if u guys could tell me whats wrong with this http://www.sendspace.com/file/v50s3y instead of just telling me i suck that would be better

[EADGC]

1
no i didnt cuz it ruins the natural sound of my gtar when i take the tiny buzzing out


Yeah and I understand that, but I still would have rather listened to it without the buzzing. And it wasn't tiny buzzing, come on. It was very obvious




2 no i didnt because i cant afford it


evreryone was in a real hurry to hear me play so i got a mic and did it


and I understand that too but this is something I don't get: how can you drop 6 grand on a guitar, but not $150 on a half-decent mic? Maybe you just legitimately have no interest in home recording, but that just doesn't add up for me.

edit: what about borrowing?

[EADGC]

if u guys could tell me whats wrong with this http://www.sendspace.com/file/v50s3y instead of just telling me i suck that would be better

I never once told you that you suck. I just thought it was a joke because:

1) you're so critical
2) you are knowledgeable about music
3) you're a music student
4) I've seen you referred to as one of the best musicians on this site.

It wasn't the worst thing I've ever heard but given all of that I was expecting something a lot better.


but sure I will tell you how I think you can improve it if you want me to.

[ariathe22nd]

no it s way worse if i take the buzzing out its all fukkd up and echoey



i didnt pay for my gtar
and yea i have asbolutely 0 interest in home recording i jsut did this because ppl like urself have been badgering me for recordings l8ley so yea

[ariathe22nd]

idk maybe i jsut had a bad day on that recording then

[EADGC]

no it s way worse if i take the buzzing out its all fukkd up and echoey

I'll try to edit it out and I'll see how it sounds.


i didnt pay for my gtar
and yea i have asbolutely 0 interest in home recording i jsut did this because ppl like urself have been badgering me for recordings l8ley so yea

Who did then?

and when did I badger you? Sure I've asked if you have any recordings because I was interested in hearing you play, but I don't think I've ever pressured you to make any

[ariathe22nd]

ok sweet


my dad

idk i felt teh pressure

and yea i wouldnt mind readin a crit

[ariathe22nd]

k yea well looks like u forgot

[EADGC]

k yea well looks like u forgot

No I will crit you if you want, I'm just busy with some homework atm

[ariathe22nd]

yeh hurry up edit the tune then crit it i dont have all day

[Raayl]

lmfao, this has to be a joke. I just listened to your song, aria. It's a joke. Has to be.

You burned us good though, man.

Ok-post some real recordings now.

[ariathe22nd]

ok see u cant give me a real crit either u just tell me i suck and its a joke

[Raayl]

ok see u cant give me a real crit either u just tell me i suck and its a joke

It has to be.

From the way you type, from the quality of the recording, to the overwhelming "badness" (only word that I can really pick to describe the pure disgust I feel listening) that this track contains...

Hahahahaha. Nice job on the satire, though.

[ariathe22nd]

right

[Raayl]

right

Alright though, joke is over. Time to shut your ****in' mouth.

[EADGC]

sure I'll crit you

like I said before I wouldn't post anything in that poor quality but if you can't help it you can't help it. Try to find ways around it though

edit out the parts with tuning and any dead air

try to do something about that noise if you can. Maybe adjust your gain levels or try noise reduction/EQ but don't sacrifice your tone obviously

get the piece down before you record (I heard lots of mistakes, bad notes and timing etc)

the timing is pretty bad so try using a metronome

if you stop don't hesitate, try to cover it up or at least keep going


how is that for now

[ariathe22nd]

get lost **** sucker me and eadgc are tryin to talk

[Raayl]

get lost **** sucker me and eadgc are tryin to talk

Hahahahahahahaha.

No really.

Shut it.

[ariathe22nd]

hmm ok i was hoping for more a crit on playing not tech

and who is that **** head that keeps butting in

[Raayl]

hmm ok i was hoping for more a crit on playing not tech

Go back to the guitar forum and laugh about it now. It's over, you're allowed.

[ariathe22nd]

what

the ppl in guitar forum said the same thing unfrotunately

[EADGC]

hmm ok i was hoping for more a crit on playing not tech



I'm not a serious cg player and I can't see you playing. I don't know exactly what you're doing. I just know whether I like how it sounds or not

[ariathe22nd]

mmk so u cant crit anyting to do with the music cool

[EADGC]

mmk so u cant crit anyting to do with the music cool

What do you mean by "the music"

do you mean your playing?


I heard lots of mistakes, bad notes and timing etc

the timing is pretty bad so try using a metronome

if you stop don't hesitate, try to cover it up or at least keep goingall of that is direct criticism on your playing.


if you want me to be more specific: the timing is not consistent throughout, the notes are uneven in volume, the tone of the notes changes (some sound really tinny, I'm guessing it's due to your r.h. technique but I don't know cg so I don't know), there's fretbuzz on many notes.

Do you mean your musicianship? Because playing ties into that

Do you mean how well you follow the score? Because I don't have the scores in front of me.


Do you mean the pieces themselves? I'm not going to crit on the actual pieces because I like both of them. I just think you could have played them better

[ariathe22nd]

not really but thx anyway ill try to take this onboard next time i practic

[EADGC]

You have a teacher don't you? Doesn't he point this stuff out to you?

[ariathe22nd]

yeh ive got a teacher adn have had lots of the best teachers in the world yea thy point this stuff out to me when it happens

[EADGC]

well you know what you have to work on

what's your practice routine like?

[ariathe22nd]

idk technical exercises and working on music
and lots of deep thinking away from the instrument

[EADGC]

I know practice is qualitative, but how many hours are we talking?


also here's your Greensleeves, this was the best I could do without killing the natural sound of your guitar.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1pnoq3

I guess you're just going to have to find a way to get a better sound going in, the noise in that file might be beyond repair

[ariathe22nd]

idk anywhere from 2-12 hours a day its not realy regular

ill chek out ur recording

[EADGC]

12 hours? are you serious?

[ariathe22nd]

yea sometimes more but it starts fukkin with ur mind when u go for much more then 12

edit yea just heard ur recording

yea thats why i didnt edit it
it makes it sound like that

[EADGC]

yeah I get tired out after like 2, I could never even think of doing that much in 1 day

[ariathe22nd]

yeh idk i guess some ppl have a stronger passion or are more serious then others

[EADGC]

Don't get me wrong, I'm very serious about music and would love to practice more, I just find it hard to make myself do it. I'm not really sure why.

well it depends, if it's practicing pieces it's not so bad, but I find technical exercises and stuff like that pretty dry

[ariathe22nd]

yeh idk i love technical exercises

i think to be great u have to develop a extremely advanced phsyical technique or u will never be completely free musically

[EADGC]

no I totally agree and that's what I know I should be practicing most, I just find scales, arpeggios, etc pretty boring

etudes aren't so bad though


what sort of technical stuff do you do?

[ariathe22nd]

yea they are boring if u play them in a boring fashion
then theres no point doiing them

[EADGC]

yea they are boring if u play them in a boring fashion
then theres no point doiing them

well what do you consider to be playing them in a non-boring fashion?

[ariathe22nd]

playing them at different tempos
different articulation
vary rhythms
different dynamics and tones


but my fave thing to do is make sure im playing with complete relaxtion of the body and with correct execution of very basic technique
this is also the hardestthing to do and can takeextreme focus

[EADGC]

playing them at different tempos
different articulation
vary rhythms
different dynamics and tones


I actually never really thought of playing them that way but that does make more sense

playing scales root to root in straight 8th notes for example is pretty pointless since how often do you find a piece of music that requires you to play that?

your way is much more practical and more entertaining as well, thanks


but my fave thing to do is make sure im playing with complete relaxtion of the body and with correct execution of very basic technique
this is also the hardestthing to do and can takeextreme focus

I agree with you on that

[ariathe22nd]

and the first way i always do scales is to make sure im not applying 2 much left hand pressure

i play each note but press very light so it buzzes when i hit it with my rh finger
ths is a very good thing to do cuz u only need a tiny bit more pressure than that

might be tricky at first but realy teaches u


edit playing 8th note can be ok for stuff like making rhythm very clear with appropraite accents but yea i wouldnt do these for 2 long

[EADGC]

well I got a useful tip from one of my instructional books

basically you lay your finger on the string so it's just touching (muted) then keep plucking with your other hand (your right my left). Then you gradually apply pressure until it becomes a clear note, then you gradually let up on the pressure until it turns back into a muted

lather rinse repeat

this gives you a reference point of exactly how much pressure you need to make a clear sounding note. Basically allows you to play with less effort/more efficiently

[ariathe22nd]

yea tahts a easier 1 noteversion of wat i said

[EADGC]

well I practice it on all fingers/strings of course


I've never tried doing it on every note though, I think I would find playing like that pretty annoying since i can't stand fretbuzz. But the amount of control you would get from doing that would pay off

[exit]

lmfao, this has to be a joke. I just listened to your song, aria. It's a joke. Has to be.

You burned us good though, man.

Ok-post some real recordings now.
off topic here:
No offense raayl, but its posts like this that gets me away from this forum. Yes, you are good with words and maybe thats just how you go in real life but sometimes when i post something i just get this feeling of, will i get verbally shot down by sade/raayl/whatever and be put as the joke of the day? Yes, its easy to say to not care about it but I do. maybe othes don't. I don't know. Maybe its just your way of humor that i can't grasp (maybe because i ain't a native english speaker and only speak/write english on fora like these). Sometimes i just get the feeling a lot of people just choose your side because its always easy picking on someone if you pick the side of the verbally strong. And it sucks not having an inboard message system because else i would have said this in private to you and i didn't feel like asking for your email addy or msn for things that only concerns stuff abotu this forum

[Raayl]

off topic here:
No offense raayl, but its posts like this that gets me away from this forum. Yes, you are good with words and maybe thats just how you go in real life but sometimes when i post something i just get this feeling of, will i get verbally shot down by sade/raayl/whatever and be put as the joke of the day? Yes, its easy to say to not care about it but I do. maybe othes don't. I don't know. Maybe its just your way of humor that i can't grasp (maybe because i ain't a native english speaker and only speak/write english on fora like these). Sometimes i just get the feeling a lot of people just choose your side because its always easy picking on someone if you pick the side of the verbally strong. And it sucks not having an inboard message system because else i would have said this in private to you and i didn't feel like asking for your email addy or msn for things that only concerns stuff abotu this forum

I'm the ****ing bully on the playground of MX. I'll steal your ****in' lunchmoney and **** your girlfriend while you watch from the window whacking it uncontrollably, submitting to the humiliation and my masculine superiority.

[Tryxx]

I listen to music. I can't actually play it that well, maybe a tab or something like that, but when it comes to composing I'm leagues behind most of the people that regularly post recording on this forum. Due to this fact, and the acknowledgement of my own skill, I don't critique actual playing. Truth be said, I can't tell when you're not playing in time, or exactly what that interval was supposed to be. BUT, I do know what I'd like to hear, and what I find enjoyable, if my opinion makes a difference that's cool, but if not I just don't have to listen anymore.

[yuppie]

i always enjoyed this forum, negative and positive, everyone will eventually find that person thats just at the next level up from where they are, its personally whatinspires me to practice that much harder to comeu p with a more bitchin lick than the other joe schmo. thats what makes this place great, diveristy, and essentially what america needs to embrace, not to get reall of subject, my 2 cents.

[super deluxe]

ja, I generally don't bother with critiques because a) i kind of suck at actually playing bass, so I don't have much to say as far as technique and b) the terrible recording quality of most stuff on here hurts my brain, so I don't want to take the time to listen past that and offer composition notes.

people frequently don't like my band. so it goes.

[Jimbobntnr]

off topic here:
No offense raayl, but its posts like this that gets me away from this forum. Yes, you are good with words and maybe thats just how you go in real life but sometimes when i post something i just get this feeling of, will i get verbally shot down by sade/raayl/whatever and be put as the joke of the day? Yes, its easy to say to not care about it but I do. maybe othes don't. I don't know. Maybe its just your way of humor that i can't grasp (maybe because i ain't a native english speaker and only speak/write english on fora like these). Sometimes i just get the feeling a lot of people just choose your side because its always easy picking on someone if you pick the side of the verbally strong. And it sucks not having an inboard message system because else i would have said this in private to you and i didn't feel like asking for your email addy or msn for things that only concerns stuff abotu this forum

In all reality, he’s kinda scrawny and unemployed. He’s also running out of good material to write, that’s why Justin suggested that he start doing covers.
Very subtle btw, Justin, but we see what you did there.

[Duncster]

idk anywhere from 2-12 hours a day its not realy regular

ill chek out ur recording

You play for 2-12 hours a day and one of your strings is out of tune when you record? That or the fourth note, and many other notes just sound like ****. If you practice that much and still have dead notes with frett buzz... get a new hobby.

Decent piece though, some very good ideas and "feel" at different parts, although that seemed a little scarce. I was hoping you would go into double time or something to lift the piece, or play a part aggressively to give it more feeling. Also had some really crappy parts. ie: 40-50.

Yeah definitely something out of tune. And you talk like your the greatest muisician to grace the earth. Geeze even I tune before I play the acoustic and im not even a classical player! (therefore I cant be a decent musician).

[Duncster]

off topic here:
No offense raayl, but its posts like this that gets me away from this forum. Yes, you are good with words and maybe thats just how you go in real life but sometimes when i post something i just get this feeling of, will i get verbally shot down by sade/raayl/whatever and be put as the joke of the day? Yes, its easy to say to not care about it but I do. maybe othes don't. I don't know. Maybe its just your way of humor that i can't grasp (maybe because i ain't a native english speaker and only speak/write english on fora like these). Sometimes i just get the feeling a lot of people just choose your side because its always easy picking on someone if you pick the side of the verbally strong. And it sucks not having an inboard message system because else i would have said this in private to you and i didn't feel like asking for your email addy or msn for things that only concerns stuff abotu this forum

123 most of sades critique becoming mostly a joke to me. But sometimes its very good, I guess as long as theres good recording quality.

[muthafunkabass]

well I practice it on all fingers/strings of course


I've never tried doing it on every note though, I think I would find playing like that pretty annoying since i can't stand fretbuzz. But the amount of control you would get from doing that would pay off
F*cking hilarious conversation. The whole thing. Only Sade got it but I'm not sure if knows he got it.

[Raayl]

In all reality, he’s kinda scrawny and unemployed. He’s also running out of good material to write, that’s why Justin suggested that he start doing covers.
Very subtle btw, Justin, but we see what you did there.

LOL I love you Jamey.

[Misanthropic]

Decent piece though, some very good ideas and "feel" at different parts, although that seemed a little scarce. I was hoping you would go into double time or something to lift the piece, or play a part aggressively to give it more feeling. Also had some really crappy parts. ie: 40-50.


this piece wasn't his own btw, it's an english traditional song or something like that.

[Mr. Pickle]

No offense raayl, but its posts like this that gets me away from this forum.

That's fine.

[Sauron]

Well, seeing as other people are posting their recordings en masse, and I haven't posted recordings here in quite some time, I guess I'll post some recordings from last summer...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/31b7bi
^Pretty decent example of my bass playing, I suppose. Not so good example of my horrid vocals (second verse), but oh well. Critique all you want, and for the record I have some pretty darn crappy gear :P. My tone was ehhhh, but I just can't afford a new bass any time soon because of my poor-college-student salary.

If you want to hear any more, go to http://www.myspace.com/gadabout1. I highly recommend you download the songs instead of listening to them on the myspace player. During uploading, myspace kinda raped the sound quality of our recordings.

Enjoy.

[Raayl]

You guys are so stupid.

Aria's recordings WERE A JOKE. I'm not "being mean." He's making FUN of you all. Way to play right into his hand. Lmfao.

Idiots.

[Duncster]

You guys are so stupid.

Aria's recordings WERE A JOKE. I'm not "being mean." He's making FUN of you all. Way to play right into his hand. Lmfao.

Idiots.
hahaha that is hilarious, yet at the same time disturbing.
I don't feel stupid as there is NO way I could have possibly known it was a joke. I just assumed he was a pretentious asshole who wrote decent music but couldn't play it well.

[Sauron]

I believe he took quite a few of you for the proverbial "ride"

[Raayl]

I believe he took quite a few of you for the proverbial "ride"

Seriously, I am baffled at how ****in' stupid people are.

How do you function? The one guy, who was like "Oh yeah it was pretty good." LAUGHIN MY ****IN *** OFF.

He just got totally exposed for being a lying sack of ****, eh?

[muthafunkabass]

You guys are so stupid.

Aria's recordings WERE A JOKE. I'm not "being mean." He's making FUN of you all. Way to play right into his hand. Lmfao.

Idiots.
Ok he did get it. :) EADGC might have too maybe he was just playing along?... I hope?...

[ariathe22nd]

ok thanks to the 1 guy who had positive comments

to the rest of the ppl who keep saying its a joke i hope that makes u feel better about ur self

[Raayl]

ok thanks to the 1 guy who had positive comments

to the rest of the ppl who keep saying its a joke i hope that makes u feel better about ur self

Too much dude, too much.

[ariathe22nd]

what is ur problem

u hav quite astrange obsession with me

[Raayl]

what is ur problem

Hahahahaha.

[ariathe22nd]

what

[TheClap]

Your recording is horrible and intentionally so, I did get a pretty good laugh out of it. If it isn't intentional (by some internet miracle) then I don't really know what to tell you except start with tuning the guitar.