Hillary's crying? Hmmm, must be an election tomorrow.

[Cain]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/a-sort-of-homecoming/

Just for the record, I believed her completely the first time, and I don't even support her. But come ON. She "finds her own voice," cedes it to her husband for a week in South Carolina and allows him to tarnish both their legacies (severely damaging the respect I had for Bill Clinton in the process), and then two days before the primary radically changes her stump speech lifting every inspirational message from Obama she can steal and now is on the trail of tears AGAIN the day before super Tuesday. Forgive me but I find this a little hard to stomach. Even if it is a genuine emotional moment it is only in response to her old teachers and mentors confirming her own belief that the presidency is her destiny, which is just terrible.

EDIT: This also just HAPPENS to come right when Obama has chopped into leads where she once enjoyed double-digit superiority, like in California and even to a lesser extent New York, just like what was the case in New Hampshire. I'm not trying to be sexist. There is nothing wrong with crying from stress or for being emotional. But this seems really canned, and really "coming along at the right time." Good grief.

[1338 h4x0r]

Hitlery Klintoon is ghey; however, I am more concerned with the awesomitude of your avatar.

[The Stig]

She's an opportunist who'll say/do anything to get a vote. Which is to a lesser extent Obama and McCain as well. I guess she's just the most obvious one out there.

[Cain]

Look, here's the issue. The tears are not calculated because she will gain sympathy for them: she won't. That's what the sexist idiots think. But I believe she doesn't care that the sexists will make stupid comments and lambast her for that. What happened in NH proves that when sexist idiots say "there's no crying in politics," progressive men and women become disgusted and feel solidarity with Hillary because, yes, she is being attacked in those instances just because she is a woman. She'd have to be insane to be innocent of the fact that a conflict-starved media will blow something up into something that matters even when it doesn't, and it will influence public opinion and discourse in a big way: give a bone to a media that likes to see its readership debate with massive political incorrectness over whether she's gonna cry in front of Kim Jong Il, you get the Democrat constituency defending you from the attacks of the genuinely reprehensible sexist pigs. It's the natural response for anyone who believes in civil rights, who believes that women should have a shot at the presidency like any other man, and it also just happened to help her win in NH.

Hillary is too good of a politician to believe a display of emotion, even a genuine one, won't also end up being a political asset when courting liberal Democratic votes. This is manipulation of the finest possible degree, because she is exploiting the genuine disgust I and others feel at sexist behavior. She's not manipulating the way people think, or trying to get them to think anything different: rather, she is framing herself to be set up in a situation that makes people with progressive values want to leap to her defense because of their core political beliefs about civil rights. IMO this is ridiculous.

[Iscariot]

I don't understand what is sexist about saying, "there's no crying in politics." There have been politicians in the past with far more weight on their shoulders than Clinton is carrying, men and women both, and they didn't cry to get what they wanted. Hilary is like a spoiled little child who thinks that by making enough of a scene she can get what she wants.

[Iscariot]

Also, no one, man or woman, would ever respect a president that cries every time things get controversial.

[Cain]

I don't understand what is sexist about saying, "there's no crying in politics." There have been politicians in the past with far more weight on their shoulders than Clinton is carrying, men and women both, and they didn't cry to get what they wanted. Hilary is like a spoiled little child who thinks that by making enough of a scene she can get what she wants.

TBH I would argue that Hillary is not doing this to get anyone to give her sympathy votes. She's actually not a spoiled child at all, just a very good politician. Why? Here's why: I know plenty of liberals who would get VERY indignant about what you just said, and feel more solidarity for her as a result due to their progressive values. I believe an element to her emotion displays is to draw out comments like the quote above, and thus draw out liberal anger against it and translate that into votes. Yeah, our thoughts are all more complex than that but how many people are good enough at writing or speaking to express all that depth? Everyone is going to simplify based on the trends they see, and whether or not you're sexist, your post has elements that appear in sexist comments, and the general mass is going to respond to those touchstones rather than the actual thought, especially when your line of thinking is happening en masse. Hillary knows that, because she's a very good politician, and she's exploiting it.

[oathfbass]

What a way to manipulate people.
If this truly is authentic just imagine if we suffered another national crisis.

[TheDMV]

Well, it's obviously that Hillary is a passionate person, we've heard her say how passionate she is about national healthcare on a number of occasions, but this is almost unsettling to me. I'm an emotional person and I see the sentimental value of returning to her old school with a great reception and I understand her tears. Many would cry as she did, but as a presidential candidate it looks bad. You're going to get sexist remarks and a liberal backlash on that, but in the end I don't see it helping her out much. She already has a reputation for being divisive, and I think a lot of voters will take this as a play to get sympathy. Even if progressives will disagree, will it really solidify her enough to win over undecided voters? I doubt it, but you bring up great points.

[McP3000]

Anyone that takes this bitch seriously needs to be hit by a truck

[Surtr]

Uhhhh....

More or less the end of the story is anyone who's breaking down and having hard times and can't hide it or is going to be seen as a weak link. Anyone who appears to be weak is going to be a target, not just from the people but from other countries. You can't have someone who is publically weak and emotionally unsteady leading, it can only lead to problems.

Kick her outa' the elections already.

Obama wins.

[Mr. Ron]

Obama VS McCain.

[McP3000]

Obama VS McCain.
No no no no

that means McCain isn't a sure win

[Mr. Ron]

he won't win, I know it.


I have forbidden knowledge.

[McP3000]

he won't win, I know it.


I have forbidden knowledge.
If Hillary gets nominated there's no chance the democrats will see the oval office.
sorry to burst your bubble

[Mr. Ron]

She won't be nominated.

[McP3000]

She won't be nominated.
i know its a shame isnt it

[Mr. Ron]

No.

[Danish]

Anyone that takes this bitch seriously needs to be hit by a truck

Dude, watch the misogyny...

[Surtr]

No.

:lol: Truth.

[Against Miik!]

I hate Hillary Clinton more than any other person on the face of this earth. If I had a choice between offing her or Hitler, I'd pick Hillary. I am not even kidding. This will be even more true if she gets elected.

But man do I wish I was a democrat. The Obama is some guy. He's not the clean uncorrupted good guy he would like you to think he is, but in Washington, thats all relative. He's alright.

[Amit]

ladies and gentlemen this is what we call a kansas city shuffle

although in this case maybe rename it to arkansas city shuffle :I

[Iscariot]

ladies and gentlemen this is what we call a kansas city shuffle

"What's a Kansas City Shuffle?"

"A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left."

[Amit]

:h5: what a good movie

[Iscariot]

:h5:

srsly i've seen that movie like ten times in the past month and it's still awesome every time i watch it

[TheDMV]

He's not the clean uncorrupted good guy he would like you to think he is, but in Washington, thats all relative. He's alright.


What?

[Against Miik!]

Obama Wants To Come Off As A Washington Outsider, A Fresh Face, Not Corrupted By The Political Game Like So Many Others Are. But He Is, A Little Bit. Just Not As Bad As Some Others. So Its All Relative, And Compared To Other Politicans, He's Not Bad.

damn i wanted that in all caps

[Iscariot]

Obama is the working man's candidate. I'm a big supporter tbh.

[Against Miik!]

Working man's candidate is an oxymoron. Anybody who has the ability to reach high public office did not do so by representing the working man. It's been a while since that has happend. Andrew Jackson maybe?

[TheDMV]

Why did you want that in all caps? It was an honest question, I was wondering if you knew of any examples of Obama's apparent corruption.

[Against Miik!]

O for real? I thought you just didn't understand the accusation. I posted a few examples in at least one other post. I'll try and find them.

edit: and coming in at number 8, Mr Barack Obama. That blurb just mentions a few. There are more on the JudicialWatch homepage, plus many more in the archives.

This stuff isn't that hard to find you guys. Well, I'm don't really mean you all, but for the general public, if you spend 5 minutes on the internet, you will find that your candidates aren't exactly who you thought they were.

and people made such a big deal out of Paul unintentionally getting 100$ from a white supremicist. That made headlines, and none of this other stuff gets even a small mention. That convinces me that the citizens do not pick the president, even though we think we do. Without the right information, how will we make an informed decision? And then we are surprised when we are calling for change again 4 years later.

[Independent_CA]

This could be entirely real, girls cry all the time.

[Toaster]

maybe shes one of those people who feels no emotion and has to practice smiling in the mirror

how weird would THAT be

[Against Miik!]

She's not a girl though, she's a candidate for the President of the United States of America.

[Reaganista]

ya it's gotta be fake hilary's not a real woman otherwise she wouldn't seek office in fact seeking office makes her more like a man and we know men dont cry so she must be faking it!

[YDtoad]

told you so

[Reaganista]

told me?

or is that a general told everyone

[TheDMV]

edit: and coming in at number 8, Mr Barack Obama. That blurb just mentions a few. There are more on the JudicialWatch homepage, plus many more in the archives.

This stuff isn't that hard to find you guys. Well, I'm don't really mean you all, but for the general public, if you spend 5 minutes on the internet, you will find that your candidates aren't exactly who you thought they were.


Hmm, ok. I would peruse the internet more searching for that kind of thing but first I always need to get the candidates basic ideas down, figure out what I think about them and compare them all. Plus, I don't know of many sites where I could find 100% credibile information on this.

[YDtoad]

told me?

or is that a general told everyone

generic

[Against Miik!]

Hmm, ok. I would peruse the internet more searching for that kind of thing but first I always need to get the candidates basic ideas down, figure out what I think about them and compare them all. Plus, I don't know of many sites where I could find 100% credibile information on this.

JudicialWatch is pretty credible.

[Shell]

I'm kinda leaning toward Obama, but I don't get to vote tomorrow so it doesn't really matter what I think.

[McP3000]

I'm kinda leaning toward Obama, but I don't get to vote tomorrow so it doesn't really matter what I think.
MUST HOLD BACK

oh and @danish i wasn't being misogynistic, i just genuinely hate Hillary Clinton for all the right reasons.

[Shell]

lol shut up

[Iscariot]

Working man's candidate is an oxymoron. Anybody who has the ability to reach high public office did not do so by representing the working man. It's been a while since that has happend. Andrew Jackson maybe?

Yeah because it's not like the lower middle and lower class votes are influenced by those who best represent them keep being smart Miik.

[Against Miik!]

Money talks