Forgiveness

[pedro durruti]

Drawing from that Suharto thread a little I thought forgiveness might be an interesting topic. What are your thoughts on forgiveness? Jesus taught to forgive all sins apparently, and I think Buddha did too. Gandhi even forgave his assassin before he died. But these niggas were all rabid pacifists. Should we forgive all sins? What does forgiveness mean exactly? Is it feeling sorry for the person who is a bit evil? What would that say about the act itself? If we were to be like Jesus and forgive all sins, then that would mean we should be capable of forgiving sin immediately after it's committed. How can this be? Can we forgive others when we aren't their victims? Ah well we'll see how far this goes.

[r1mbaud]

mental content over any noun(which includes yourself). which has commited a wrong towards you, your peer group, nation, any group involving you really or another group you respect (all humanity fits in there)..

[chronopops]

I believe we should all try to forgive, however, it's a very hard thing to do in some circumstances. In my own life, I've found that not forgiving just leads to anxiety and anger.

[Iscariot]

Forgiveness is about thinking beyond the realms of "I" and "me" and understanding the events leading up to the incident that affected you and being able to understand why what happened did, and not place blame on just one piece of the whole puzzle. When you can forgive someone you're doing a selfless act and those are always very rewarding in the long run.

[Pastorius]

I find it easy to forgive people. I bear grudges for few things, but when I do it's because they've offended me in a way that I just don't like.

[Mr. Ron]

I forgive too much.

[Permanent Solution]

I don't care enough about myself to be offended enough by anyone's actions that I would need to forgive them.

[1338 h4x0r]

I find it easy to forgive people. I bear grudges for few things, but when I do it's because they've offended me in a way that I just don't like.

I bear grudges for personal insults and nothing else. Such grudges are often very long, however.

I can (and have) easily forgiven theft, for example.

[RunAmokRampant]

There have been very few instances where I forgive someone of doing something that I found offensive because generally I don't find much offensive at all. I think forgiveness is a good thing, but forgiveness without punishment is not always a good thing. People should still take responsibility for their actions.

[Yield]

It's better to forgive those who have wronged you, in hopes that maybe not they, but others will learn. Plus, it's main benefit is just being good for sustaining your mental health.

[Smokey D]

Are their unpardonable sins?

[Yield]

child rape

[Against Miik!]

You can't forgive everybody. You can't just let people walk all over you, and if you just forgive everybody for every crappy thing they do to you, you will always be walked all over. Forgiveness is a good thing, but not in every situation.

[1338 h4x0r]

You can't forgive everybody. You can't just let people walk all over you, and if you just forgive everybody for every crappy thing they do to you, you will always be walked all over. Forgiveness is a good thing, but not in every situation.

Practicing avoidance helps. :)

[Against Miik!]

How so?

[Smokey D]

You can't forgive everybody. You can't just let people walk all over you, and if you just forgive everybody for every crappy thing they do to you, you will always be walked all over. Forgiveness is a good thing, but not in every situation.

I don't think forgiveness requires submission.

[Against Miik!]

Not always. But often times it can appear to be a sign of weakness. Like say somebody steals something valuable to you and you know who it is. You can't go up to them and be like "Um well I forgive you and everything but could you please give that back?". Well, maybe you could do that once. But at some point, you are gonna have to put your foot down.

[1338 h4x0r]

How so?

Avoid people you hate.

[Smokey D]

Not always. But often times it can appear to be a sign of weakness. Like say somebody steals something valuable to you and you know who it is. You can't go up to them and be like "Um well I forgive you and everything but could you please give that back?". Well, maybe you could do that once. But at some point, you are gonna have to put your foot down.

Yeah, but Gandhi didn't do that. Nor did Jesus.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah, but Gandhi didn't do that. Nor did Jesus.

In some sense, the followers of the Indian independence movement and the early Christians put their respective feet down: they became nuisances very deliberately. Not even a well-oiled military machine can permanently put down a sufficiently large nuisance.

[Pastorius]

I bear grudges for personal insults and nothing else. Such grudges are often very long, however.

I can (and have) easily forgiven theft, for example.

Yeah, this one time in a bar, this girl I know was trying to get me to give her £10 for a bet I made when I was hammered. I wasn't paying, it was a stupid bet. So she told my friend "I bet I can get him to give me the £10 just by touching him", he told me, that's a massive insult to me, basically saying I'm a weak willed simpleton who is so desperate for female contact he'll give up a tenner for it. So she came up and was like "Awwwww can I have that tenner now pleeeeease." I told her where she could stick it and now I hate her! :D

She's a bitch anyways.

[1338 h4x0r]

Yeah, this one time in a bar, this girl I know was trying to get me to give her £10 for a bet I made when I was hammered.

See, that's why I don't get hammered.

[Pastorius]

Well it was like the first couple of weeks of Uni, what else am I gonna do!

[VomitStainedCretin]

Well it was like the first couple of weeks of Uni, what else am I gonna do!Pretty much; I went overboard on my first night and had to wash the vomit out my sheets on my first morning.

[Spiritofmosa]

i dont see how forgiveness can be consistent sometimes. For example i get beaten up by my dad when i was a kid, i've forgiven him on countless occasions when the situation calmed down but things would never be the same, and now of course i don't hate him but ocassionally when i recall the past it doesnt feel pleasant.

So its best to forgive and then forget. BUt forget ?

[tablespoonful]

Forgiveness is about thinking beyond the realms of "I" and "me" and understanding the events leading up to the incident that affected you and being able to understand why what happened did, and not place blame on just one piece of the whole puzzle. When you can forgive someone you're doing a selfless act and those are always very rewarding in the long run.
Most of the time you come off as a callous a-hole but this is pretty spot-on. People tend to isolate a single act in a long series of acts that lead to that act.

[pedro durruti]

That assumes that free will is nonexistent. But regardless what does that say about the original act of sin? It either leads us to a believe it was a nonpartial physical act that created what can be conceived as humanly 'wrong' or a human being creating it with full responsibility to themselves. I don't believe in god (although I've been considering it) but what does this entail for those who do? We can hardly blame the universe for it's a being that acts without actually being, or without any ability to distinguish right or wrong. But if we consider god as the ultimate being, and as a being who has deprived its animals of free will, then god is responsible for evil.

If there is no free will, then there is no immorality but in the practical moment to moment existence of human life, where the processes of determination are not observed and we are entirely responsible for our actions. Forgiveness is then completely superfluous, and the forgiver should see nothing as wrong, just inconvenient, yet wrong in moment to moment existence.

[PerpetualBurn]

Forgiveness is about thinking beyond the realms of "I" and "me" and understanding the events leading up to the incident that affected you and being able to understand why what happened did, and not place blame on just one piece of the whole puzzle. When you can forgive someone you're doing a selfless act and those are always very rewarding in the long run.

Doesn't this imply that rather than forgive, we simply should never have placed blame in the first place?

[Seafroggys]

I hold grudges and don't particularly like forgiving, unless I know I did something bad for certain.

[McP3000]

I bear grudges for personal insults and nothing else. Such grudges are often very long, however.

I can (and have) easily forgiven theft, for example.
I'm the opposite. I can easily forgive insults and words as they are often spontaneous. However, actions such as theft or violence is a lot harder for me to forgive.

[entheogen]

i never forgive ... anything