Sorry Alex. :(

[guitrguy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7217838.stm

Looks like Edwards is done.

[spitfirejunky]

He was the main reason I would have voted for John Kerry.

Oh well.

[DBoons Ghost]

He was my guy.

This is proof that the American media ruined a perfectly good candidate by focusing more on gender and race and not even as issues, but as platforms.

Edwards got railroaded by the American media.

[guitrguy]

Obama will probably absorb most of Edwards' votes.

[Brewing Up With]

He was my guy.

This is proof that the American media ruined a perfectly good candidate by focusing more on gender and race and not even as issues, but as platforms.

Edwards got railroaded by the American media.

This.

That was really unfair for him. He was a good candidate. I hate the media.

[Otherside]

John Edwards was the only decent candidate, now we just have awful(Clinton) and lukewarm(Obama).



TY american media

[Iskandar]

At least most of his support is expected to go to Obama, the better candidate.

[Against Miik!]

Good person, but I wouldn't vote for him. Although the fact that he is a good person is more than I can say for a lot of candidates, so I guess he is a bit ahead of the game.

Regardless, he got screwed by the media even more than Ron Paul.

[Iskandar]

The media just ignored Ron Paul, except when there were like 200 people standing behind them waving signs. But they delighted in gloating over Edwards' losses.

[DBoons Ghost]

Obama is worthy of all of my support going forward.

A lot of NYers are still talking crazy though.. I talk with the folks downstairs.. my fellow smokers.. all traders, bankers.. big time people.. Like let's say Obama loses on a close count to another crusty old white man.. race riots! Or if Obama wins, black folks will go wildin' in the streets, rapin' white women and cookin white babies in cookpots all expecting pardons.. I'm ashamed people still think this way. Like.. so phony about saying something in public but when among other whiteys it's ok to talk this way.

Though I would say there will be riots if Obama wins and then gets assassinated. I would riot too.

[Oriah]

Politics is hell.

[Det_Nosnip]

Something always sorta creeped me out about Edwards for some reason. *shrug*

[Permanent Solution]

I'm waiting for the Obama/Edwards ticket. Or maybe just hoping.

[guitrguy]

I'm waiting for the Obama/Edwards ticket. Or maybe just hoping.

That would be a great ticket.

[Det_Nosnip]

Yeah, it would.

[MattSharpIsCool]

At least most of his support is expected to go to Obama, the better candidate.

A recent poll by Associated Press-Yahoo said 40% of Edwards supporters said their second choice was Mrs Clinton, while a quarter chose Mr Obama.

According to that poll, most Edwards backers will support Hilary.

[Brewing Up With]

Something always sorta creeped me out about Edwards for some reason. *shrug*

Sometimes he starts blinking really really rapidly and doesn't stop while he's talking. That gave me the creeps. Still a good guy though.

[Against Miik!]

That doesn't make sense that Edwards voters would go to Hillary. All there platforms are similar, but Edwards and Obama have the whole "fight the special interests and big business" thing, while Hill-dog is scrapin in the cash.

[totah]

He was my guy.

This is proof that the American media ruined a perfectly good candidate by focusing more on gender and race and not even as issues, but as platforms.

Edwards got railroaded by the American media.

You're right, I also totally think white males should be the ones who stay in power, forevers. Just look how great a job we've been doing in the last thousand years.

[Smokey D]

Are you advocating voting for Hillary or Obama because she's a woman and he's black?

[McP3000]

You're right, I also totally think white males should be the ones who stay in power, forevers. Just look how great a job we've been doing in the last thousand years.
This is the dumbest thing i have ever heard

[Det_Nosnip]

It would be important, actually. Although it may seem like figurative nonsense, the precedent would encourage thousands of women/African Americans (depending on who ends up winning) to enter the political process, hopefully leading to greater diversity. An African American president would demonstrate, not only to America's African American community, but to minority communities in general, that we HAVE come somewhere in the past 300 odd years, and that they DO have a voice in the political system.

[McP3000]

It would be important, actually. Although it may seem like figurative nonsense, the precedent would encourage thousands of women/African Americans (depending on who ends up winning) to enter the political process, hopefully leading to greater diversity. An African American president would demonstrate, not only to America's African American community, but to minority communities in general, that we HAVE come somewhere in the past 300 odd years, and that they DO have a voice in the political system.
Yeah

but voting for them based on their race or gender means nothing when they are horrible candidates

[guitrguy]

You just missed the point.

[Smokey D]

No he hasn't. It would be neat if they won the presidency on their own merit, but their ethnicity or gender doesn't make them good candidates.

[guitrguy]

Thats not what I got from it.

The fact they were elected would send a message that gender and race are not reasons why someone would lose an election. I don't see how it would necessarily reflect gender/race being the primary reason for their success.

[Det_Nosnip]

It wouldn't...quite the contrary, it's much more a hindrance than a gain.

Hillary Clinton would not get half of the crap she gets if she were a man.

Yeah

but voting for them based on their race or gender means nothing when they are horrible candidates

Right, but they're not horrible candidates.

[guitrguy]

It wouldn't...quite the contrary, it's much more a hindrance than a gain.

Hillary Clinton would not get half of the crap she gets if she were a man.After they were elected?

[McP3000]

Thats not what I got from it.

The fact they were elected would send a message that gender and race are not reasons why someone would lose an election. I don't see how it would necessarily reflect gender/race being the primary reason for their success.
I completely agree

but both of them have made it abundantly clear that they advocate the race/gender thing so idk

[guitrguy]

I've only heard obama speak about it when hes is confronted, or some else brings it up.

[totah]

Are you advocating voting for Hillary or Obama because she's a woman and he's black?

God forbid! I was simply pointing out that since the founding of the USA, regardless of the huge numbers of black, Mexican and other migrants, and of the various women's social movements, it has always been rules by rich white men.

No he hasn't. It would be neat if they won the presidency on their own merit, but their ethnicity or gender doesn't make them good candidates.

No, it doesn't. Actually the only thing that can make one a good candidate in this case is the absolute refusal to be a candidate, ever. Anything less is suspect.

[DBoons Ghost]

God forbid! I was simply pointing out that since the founding of the USA, regardless of the huge numbers of black, Mexican and other migrants, and of the various women's social movements, it has always been rules by rich white men.



I wouldn't say "rich" white men. That only came on strong in the 80s, and unfortunatly we've yet to break the mold since then because everyone who comes to this country comes to get rich or die trying as the saying goes.. I say yet but the Dems running were/are also rich and or wealthy, and John Edwards is a self made man from a modest family. He just happens to be white.

If our Presidents are a reflection of the majority of the population in the US of A, the majority is still male caucasion, white crusty wasps. I really never understand how that simple fact always seems to get lost. Why does every race who's ever migrated to this country have to have a leadership role in our society before anyone thinks otherwise about the racial tension here?

It's so ignorant to have that mindset when the facts clearly show otherwise. Huge numbers of migrants? Black folks still only make up 12% of the total population. Mexicans much less.

Do you know what 12% of 100 leaves behind? I just don't get what you people come with this nonsense.

[totah]

I think there's a difference between migrating to "get rich" and migrating to "get a job".

But that's far besides the point. The senate, congress, hell even the G8, it's all rich white men. I don't know how long it's been going on but it's been this way as long as I've been conscious of it, and longer I'm sure.

[guitrguy]

We live in a world based on money, so it stands to reason (not that I like it) that the rich are the ones in power.

[JumpTheF**kUp]

but both of them have made it abundantly clear that they advocate the race/gender thing so idk

As far as I've seen (which is not much) Obama is reluctant to involve his race.

[totah]

We live in a world based on money, so it stands to reason (not that I like it) that the rich are the ones in power.

Yes, and the fact that they're white males tells you something else doesn't it?

White supremacy, patriarchy, capitalism. Our three dominating systems.

[DBoons Ghost]

You can't talk that kinda **** without backing it up Eran.

White supremacy? Is this still the 50s? If you look at the top 20 richest people in the country it's not all white folks.

I dig where you're going with it but you can't make those kinds of blind generalizations anymore.

[Smokey D]

Those three systems are mutually opposed at the highest levels.