People Should Do Drugs!

[jaredong]

I disagree that people should do drugs. Why do people do drugs? What purpose do they serve? Heres why i dont think people should do drugs. Please comment.

Drugs are not good for your health. Of course, some drugs are worst than others. However, all drugs have detrimental side effects. True, some drugs could be used for medical purposes, however thats not the issue at hand.

Drugs make you perform poorer in everyday life. I am not entirely sure about in the workplace, however i do know that in high school and university people who take drugs regularly dont come to class nor perform well, at least in my experiece.

Even if there were no negative side effects, i would still disagree that people should do drugs. In Brave New World, Soma is given out to the population as an answer to their problems. What is a feeling of happiness or contentment if its artificial and not based on reality? What would happiness be if it was caused by a Matrix style reality?

There was an episode of south park where Stans dad said something along the lines of "You shouldnt take drugs because drugs make you happy with being bored. When you're happy with being bored you wouldnt want to learn new skills or do cool things."

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It could be argued that people have no right to tell me how i should live my life and therefore I should have the right to do whatever i want with my body. However, i think there are some problems with that.

Firstly, right =/= right. Just because you have the right to do something, does not mean it is the right thing to do. We all may have the right to sit around and watch television all day long but it doesnt mean you should do it.

Secondly, at times i believe intervention to people's life is legitimate. For example, if your friend wants to commit suicide, i believe you should stop them. Or if a death cult like jim jones all wants to commit suicide. Sometimes, the freedom of the individual to live however they want should have limits.

Another point people would make is that "you wouldnt understand unless you've tried it." But then you dont have to jump off a bridge to know that you'd die.

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Why do people take drugs? What benefits do they convey to an individual?

I think life is pretty short and precious as it is. Many musicians lost/ruined their lives because of drugs. (Elliot Smith, Kurt Cobain etc). You could say "they might not have created their work without having took drugs". However that would mean Music > Life, which is pretty unacceptable choice to me.

Sure, its an individuals right to decide how they live their life. Nevertheless, people should not do drugs.

[monkeysonmars.]

these are all good reasons why people shouldn't do drugs, but then, that's a no brainer. people do stuff that is not good for them, it feels good so they don't care. the point is, who are you to tell them what they should and should not do, and if you recognise this, what is the point of your argument? unless you're trying to say people shouldn't have the right to do drugs, which is a much more complex argument than, 'it's not good for you'.

[Against Miik!]

Even if there were no negative side effects, i would still disagree that people should do drugs. In Brave New World, Soma is given out to the population as an answer to their problems. What is a feeling of happiness or contentment if its artificial and not based on reality? What would happiness be if it was caused by a Matrix style reality?

There was an episode of south park where Stans dad said something along the lines of "You shouldnt take drugs because drugs make you happy with being bored. When you're happy with being bored you wouldnt want to learn new skills or do cool things."


This is the only part of your post I really agree with. Because other than that, every part of your post is true about a poor diet just as much as it is true about drugs. Based on principle, we all think people should have a good diet, but nobody is about to put a fat person on that show Intervention.

[Det_Nosnip]

Wait...what? :confused: Is this a valid subject to debate about? It's not like the government is running daily advertisments telling people to take drugs or something. :lol:

[monkeysonmars.]

it's not a clear argument but what i think he wants to say is that the government should ban recreational drugs.

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't see why I need to justify my use of drugs over any other thing I do for pleasure that isn't productive.

[CarnageFairy]

Oh boy, another pnwi drug fred!

True, some drugs could be used for medical purposes, however thats not the issue at hand.

It's still quite relevant, though...

Drugs make you perform poorer in everyday life. I am not entirely sure about in the workplace, however i do know that in high school and university people who take drugs regularly dont come to class nor perform well, at least in my experiece.

Poorer by whose standards? Yours? The governments'? There are many people out there using drugs that do shop up to class and do "perform" perfectly adequately in everyday life. Believe it or not not everyone is expecting the same things from their life as you.

What is a feeling of happiness or contentment if its artificial and not based on reality? What would happiness be if it was caused by a Matrix style reality?

All emotions/thoughts/perceptions are basically nothing more than electric and chemical reactions in your brain. It could be argued that nothing you feel is "real", but that would be stupid, seeing as your emotions/thoughts/perceptions are your reality, and are all caused by some stimulus. I don't really see how any stimulus is "better" or more real than any other.

There was an episode of south park where Stans dad said something along the lines of "You shouldnt take drugs because drugs make you happy with being bored. When you're happy with being bored you wouldnt want to learn new skills or do cool things."

That statement has some truth to it, but it's hard to tell the people who wouldn't have done anything anyway, yeh? Maybe most of those lazy potheads were lazy to begin with. Also, once again, plenty of people out there that do not fit this mold.

It could be argued that people have no right to tell me how i should live my life and therefore I should have the right to do whatever i want with my body. However, i think there are some problems with that.

Firstly, right =/= right. Just because you have the right to do something, does not mean it is the right thing to do. We all may have the right to sit around and watch television all day long but it doesnt mean you should do it.

Sometimes, the freedom of the individual to live however they want should have limits.

Why shouldn't I spend all my time watching tv and eating fritos? Because it doesn't fit your model of societal productivity? It's not your life, and if no one elses' rights are being infringed upon then what's the problem?

And why should individual freedom be limited in this sense? Shits and giggles?

Another point people would make is that "you wouldnt understand unless you've tried it." But then you dont have to jump off a bridge to know that you'd die.

Why do people take drugs? What benefits do they convey to an individual?

Horrible logic ITT

You know that jumping off this bridge will kill you, but you certainly don't know what it's like to jump off said bridge because you haven't done it, which is what you were actually talking about, remember?

Also; using drugs =/= certain death.

Why do people take drugs? What benefits do they convey to an individual?

As someone who apparently has never done any drugs I don't see how you're qualified to answer this question. Just because you can't see value in a given activity doesn't mean no one else can.

I think life is pretty short and precious as it is. Many musicians lost/ruined their lives because of drugs. (Elliot Smith, Kurt Cobain etc). You could say "they might not have created their work without having took drugs". However that would mean Music > Life, which is pretty unacceptable choice to me.

You're right, life is short. Maybe some people would like to experience altered states of conciousness during this brief foray into the mortal realm we are all lucky enough to have.

But you're right, its a choice. And however unacceptable to you it is it ain't your choice to make, buddy.

In all honesty I think you should smoke some pot. Might help you understand some new perspectives.

[Rams]

When you grow up, all your friends start getting married and going away to do fun things and you are busy working 80 hours a week in a lab, you'll understand why people turn to drugs. Life is boring and to many people it's easier filling time by altering your mind. Of course there are other reasons, as people aren't some case study found in a text book, but at some point in your life you'll understand why people turn to drugs for one reason or another. Whether that changes you perception on the rightness/wrongness of doing them is another story.


As someone who apparently has never done any drugs I don't see how you're qualified to answer this question. Just because you can't see value in a given activity doesn't mean no one else can.

I wish this feeling was more universally accepted for all things. If you haven't done something, your opinion on the matter is some how lessened. I've never murdered anyone, so my opinion on whether it is good or bad doesn't mean anything.

[i am the robots]

I wish this feeling was more universally accepted for all things. If you haven't done something, your opinion on the matter is some how lessened. I've never murdered anyone, so my opinion on whether it is good or bad doesn't mean anything.
This is a reasonable comparisson! Wait, no.

[PerpetualBurn]

Of course it's reasonable.

He's not saying the two are equivalent. He's making the obvious point that you don't necessarily have to experience something to ascertain if it's a worthwhile thing to do.

[CarnageFairy]

I wish this feeling was more universally accepted for all things. If you haven't done something, your opinion on the matter is some how lessened. I've never murdered anyone, so my opinion on whether it is good or bad doesn't mean anything.

Murdering someone might be the single most fulfilling experience you'll never have.

Highly improbable I suppose, but I meant you can't really know how something will precisely effect you and your perceptions of that activity without doing it, even though you can probably make some educated guesses.

It wasn't about whether or not doing drugs/murdering someone is right or wrong, but if it could possibly benefit yourself.

[r1mbaud]

to be content with life, a world you're not satisfied with. for some people these problems are difficult, if not impossible through any other means. you don't know what it's like to look through the eyes of an insatiable fool; hell bent on curing his own ailments. have you ever taken shame? have you ever been made fun of!? beat up!? dumped!? falling constantly in a world with no plateau to land on... no way of climbing back up. some people live in this state of mind, always. it's nice to have something, when you’re falling off this huge cliff of life. you see something to hold on to, even if it crumbles, you were there! you had something, who cares if that edge was real or not, it kept you up!

[dei]

Serenity needs to be on drugs.

[r1mbaud]

also
"However that would mean Music > Life, which is pretty unacceptable choice to me. "
wrong.

[Det_Nosnip]

it's not a clear argument but what i think he wants to say is that the government should ban recreational drugs.

Oh, that'd be a good idea.

Wait...

[dei]

Prohibition ftw.

[Danger Bird]

Or you could not be an idiot and take drugs because they are fun, instead of using them to escape. Responsibly used drugs are no worse than television.

[Surtr]

it's not a clear argument but what i think he wants to say is that the government should ban recreational drugs.


Ummmmm are they not already banned just about everywhere to begin with??? :confused:

[Steerpike]

Why do people do drugs?

Because they work.

Drugs are not good for your health.

Neither is fast food, but PETA are the only people boycotting Wendy's right now.

I get stoned now and again, but it's not something I do with any regularity. And I try to take decent care of myself overall anyway.

However, all drugs have detrimental side effects.

Depends. If you wake and bake every day for ten years, it's going to affect your perception of the passage of time, and inhaling burning fumes of anything that often probably isn't a sharp idea.

Heroin can kill you.

Let's keep things in perspective.

Drugs make you perform poorer in everyday life.

Didn't Penn & Teller interview a stock trader who uses medicinal marijuana?

In Brave New World, Soma is given out to the population as an answer to their problems.

First of all, Brave New World sucked.

Second, the idea of Soma was that it was specifically used by those in power to keep people compliant. They couldn't do it with booze, they're not gonna do it reefer.

We all may have the right to sit around and watch television all day long but it doesnt mean you should do it.

Also doesn't mean it should be criminal.

[r1mbaud]

Or you could not be an idiot and take drugs because they are fun, instead of using them to escape. Responsibly used drugs are no worse than television.
How can you declare someone an idiot for needing help. Don't take aspirin thats just an escape from a headache, dont take lsd that's an escape from conformity, dont do heroin thats an escape from torment.

[Otherside]

Many drugs bring about enlightenment that some people would never achieve sober.


I am violently opposed to the prohibition of drugs outside of cocaine and opiates.

[r1mbaud]

Many drugs bring about enlightenment that some people would never achieve sober.


I am violently opposed to the prohibition of drugs outside of cocaine and opiates.

for what reasons are you against cocaine and opiates

[dei]

Cocaine and opiates are brown people drugs.

[Otherside]

for what reasons are you against cocaine and opiates

Opiates are the only physically addictive prohibited drugs and cocaine is one of the more destructive of those that are not addictive.

[Danger Bird]

People should be able to have a rush if they want to. Just because you look down on the drug doesn't mean it should be singled out.

[Otherside]

que

[r1mbaud]

Opiates are the only physically addictive prohibited drugs and cocaine is one of the more destructive of those that are not addictive.

they are both powerfully addictive in their own ways. Apart from that, if you promote the capability (not to mention responsibility) of other drug use why not of these drugs? or of videogames? or cars...

[Otherside]

they are both powerfully addictive in their own ways. Apart from that, if you promote the capability (not to mention responsibility) of other drug use why not of these drugs? or of videogames? or cars...


Cars and videogames are not physically addicting nor are they destructive in every day use; a silly analogy.

[Danger Bird]

What about crystal meth are you saying that's not addictive?

[Otherside]

What about crystal meth are you saying that's not addictive?

No I am not

[r1mbaud]

Cars and videogames are not physically addicting nor are they destructive in every day use; a silly analogy.
cars are destructive in everyday use, video games are addictive in everyday use. apart from methamphetamine, alcohol, cigarettes( all destructive). I'm asking you why you think heroin (which i know is what youre getting at) and cocaine are so much worse than any other drug. both are very useful in an extraordinarily vast amount of ways, just don't **** it up and youre good.

[Otherside]

cars are destructive in everyday use, video games are addictive in everyday use. apart from methamphetamine, alcohol, cigarettes( all destructive). I'm asking you why you think heroin (which i know is what youre getting at) and cocaine are so much worse than any other drug. both are very useful in an extraordinarily vast amount of ways, just don't **** it up and youre good.

Cars are not destructive people are.

I would love for you to write out how heroin and cocaine could be extraordinarily useful.

I am against cigarettes also, but they are not illegal.

[1338 h4x0r]

Cars and videogames are not physically addicting nor are they destructive in every day use; a silly analogy.

Not all of us use drugs everyday. I go on the hazy, frightening and joyous roller coaster ride that is a seven hundred dollar crack binge exactly once every year and no harm has ever come to me because of it.

Except for the time I woke up next to a pre-op tranny covered in shіt.

EDIT: For clarification, I was the one covered in shіt, not the tranny.

[i am the robots]

Of course it's reasonable.

He's not saying the two are equivalent. He's making the obvious point that you don't necessarily have to experience something to ascertain if it's a worthwhile thing to do.

You're an idiot. Comparisons should be equal, or else they don't actually make any ****ing point.

[Otherside]

Except for the time I woke up next to a pre-op tranny covered in shіt.

I'm sorry but for most that would be sufficient reason to lay down the pipe for good.

[r1mbaud]

Cars are not destructive people are.

I would love for you to write out how heroin and cocaine could be extraordinarily useful.

I am against cigarettes also, but they are not illegal.
Heroin-
Relief of Extreme Pain (physical and emotional)
Cough suppressant
anti-diarrheal

Cocaine while not quite as useful
topical and temporarily depressive anesthetic/motivator/physical empowerment

[1338 h4x0r]

I'm sorry but for most that would be sufficient reason to lay down the pipe for good.

LOL, you fed the troll

[r1mbaud]

Except for the time I woke up next to a pre-op tranny covered in shіt.

EDIT: For clarification, I was the one covered in shіt, not the tranny.

THAT WAS YOU?!

[PerpetualBurn]

You're an idiot. Comparisons should be equal, or else they don't actually make any ****ing point.

Comparisons need only share relevant characteristics.

Let's see...

Apples are comparable to oranges because they're both fruit and both have seeds.

No. An apple is not an orange.

But yes. A comparison can be made because they share characteristics.

Otherwise we could only compare things to themselves, since no two things are actually identically equal.

[Otherside]

Heroin-
Relief of Extreme Pain (physical and emotional)
Cough suppressant
anti-diarrheal

Cocaine while not quite as useful
topical and temporarily depressive anesthetic/motivator/physical empowerment


There are prescription drugs better suited for all of those. Morphine,especially, for the one in bold.
LOL, you fed the troll

Nah if that were the case I would have seriously responded to your post.

[1338 h4x0r]

Otherwise we could only compare things to themselves, since no two things are actually identically equal.

What about two graphs between which there exists an isomorphism? Are they not equal?

[r1mbaud]

There are prescription drugs better suited for all of those. Morphine,especially, for the one in bold.
Morphine is no better than heroin. Why do you think that it is? Natural as opposed to semi-synthetic? Equally safe regardless (if used with responsibility). We use fentanyl in the U.S. all the time, which is fully-synthetic. In my opinion heroin reduces more pain in comparison to morphine anyways.

[PerpetualBurn]

What about two graphs between which there exists an isomorphism? Are they not equal?

To be two graphs, they must have some quality which makes them distinct.

[i am the robots]

Comparisons need only share relevant characteristics.

Let's see...

Apples are comparable to oranges because they're both fruit and both have seeds.

No. An apple is not an orange.

But yes. A comparison can be made because they share characteristics.

Otherwise we could only compare things to themselves, since no two things are actually identically equal.
YOU KNOW SO VERY MUCH, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US MORE. LIKE, I WASN'T SURE BEFORE, BUT NOW I'M QUITE CONVINCED YOU HAVE SOMETHING USEFUL TO SAY!

[PerpetualBurn]

If you don't want to discuss things with the men then go bake a pie or clean the dishes.

[1338 h4x0r]

To be two graphs, they must have some quality which makes them distinct.

Two graphs are isomorphic if there exists a bijective mapping between their vertices such that the structure of edges is preserved, regardless of the labeling of the vertices in each graph.

In graph theory, they are considered equal (e.g., the cyclic graph C sub 5 and its complement).

[lfantwister]

If you don't want to discuss things with the men then go bake a pie or clean the dishes.

cmon pb you can do better than this

[i am the robots]

I honestly don't think he can, he seems like a pretty big moron.
If you don't want to discuss things with the men then go bake a pie or clean the dishes.

Oh ha ha. Die in a fire, kthx.

My two-cents:
The only harm that ever really comes from drugs comes to those who were stupid enough to get themselves hooked on something dangerous. I've experimented with a good few things; weed (habitual smoker), alcohol, shrooms, acid, a good many opiates, salvia, etc., however, my life isn't horribly ruined. Why? I didn't go out of my way to find more Oxycotin the next day, I didn't decide to do acid again in a few weeks after having a bad trip. Why? Because I'm not a ****ing idiot.

[dei]

People shouldn't do drugs because then they end up with loopy stances on important issues, like this one kid named Iskandar.

[lfantwister]

Legalize everything

except crack

[McP3000]

People shouldn't do drugs because then they end up with loopy stances on important issues, like this one kid named Iskandar.
HAHAHA AN ANTI-SOCIALIST JOKE

http://www.portfoliofamily.com/wp-content/photos/approved.jpg

[PerpetualBurn]

Two graphs are isomorphic if there exists a bijective mapping between their vertices such that the structure of edges is preserved, regardless of the labeling of the vertices in each graph.

In graph theory, they are considered equal (e.g., the cyclic graph C sub 5 and its complement).

Sure. And what is it that allows you to distinguish that there are two graphs rather than one?

cmon pb you can do better than this

I already offered a big explanation.

I honestly don't think he can, he seems like a pretty big moron.



Then why don't you respond to the argument I made?

[McP3000]

Legalize everything

except crack

oh god that is the dumbest thing ive heard today

[r1mbaud]

you people talk so much, and say so little.

[i am the robots]

Then why don't you respond to the argument I made?
Because it's pointless?

[lfantwister]

I already offered a big explanation.

for women jokes?

oh god that is the dumbest thing ive heard today

awesome comeback bro

[PerpetualBurn]

Because it's pointless?It's only pointless because you're an idiot.

for women jokes?

That's just a joke.

You know what a charming gentleman I am.

So don't you worry your pretty little head about it. :)

[1338 h4x0r]

Sure. And what is it that allows you to distinguish that there are two graphs rather than one?


You'd use labeling. I recently had to prove that a certain semigroup was also a group and, in doing so, let a and c in the semigroup equal the same value. Same principle.

[i am the robots]

I'm thoroughly butthurt because you called me an idiot.
i kno rite, it's quite obvious!

[lfantwister]

That's just a joke.

You know what a charming gentleman I am.

So don't you worry your pretty little head about it.
aw how sweet of you i'm placated by your irresistible charm

[PerpetualBurn]

So we're back to there being an individual quality which makes each one in some sense unique.

It might not be a mathematically relevant one. But then that was my point all along.

[McP3000]

awesome comeback bro
Oh, i thought you were trolling...not being serious

anyway, there a lot more addictive and hurtful narcotics than crack
true story

[McP3000]

awesome comeback bro
Oh, i thought you were trolling...not being serious

anyway, there a lot more addictive and hurtful narcotics than crack
true story

[lfantwister]

i dont doubt it

maybe crack should be legal too

in any case, as long as people are well-informed of the dangers of drug usage it should undoubtedly be legal. invest the money currently used in the war on drugs to educate people

[McP3000]

i dont doubt it

maybe crack should be legal too

in any case, as long as people are well-informed of the dangers of drug usage it should undoubtedly be legal. invest the money currently used in the war on drugs to educate people
But there is no way to inform people about drugs
and it is quite obvious that prohibiting substances lowers their usage. RPGs are illegal for a reason.

[PerpetualBurn]

i kno rite, it's quite obvious!

But seriously...you can't troll me.

I don't know if you're familiar with my posts, but you're just going to feed the fire.

aw how sweet of you i'm placated by your irresistible charm

You know you live it.

[r1mbaud]

opium alcohol coca now meth

the four scourges of humanity.

whose to say who can or can't have them though. who thinks their morality is superior to another. That is all this thread is about.

[i am the robots]

it's not even an issue of morality, it's an issue of health and experience
I don't know if you're familiar with my posts, but you're just going to feed the fire.

wow, yew just sound soOOOooOOOOoooOOOOooo cool.

[lfantwister]

You know you live it.
i live the life of a crazy young british boy? i am more mysterious than i thought

[lfantwister]

But there is no way to inform people about drugs
and it is quite obvious that prohibiting substances lowers their usage. RPGs are illegal for a reason.
inform people about drugs the same way you inform them about other things? like comprehensive sex ed and comprehensive drug ed

[PerpetualBurn]

Or maybe a young British boy made a typo at 4am.

It is indeed a mystery.

[lfantwister]

hahaha 4 am

don't you do anything cool on weekends

[dei]

It's Tuesday.

[lfantwister]

**** it is

[PerpetualBurn]

In my defence, I spent Friday night pissed as a skunk and Sunday playing poker, gambling, and drinking in a casino.

Edit: And since it's topic relevant, I smoked a whole lot of reefer.

[i am the robots]

Wow, you really are very very cool.

[PerpetualBurn]

I think it should be pretty ****ing obvious that I am.

[i am the robots]

Yeah, you're so macho that you support killing babies.

[lfantwister]

not babies, bro

fetuses

[i am the robots]

not lava, bro

magma

[lfantwister]

geology jokes rock

(haha!)

[i am the robots]

n_n

i has to quit smoking because my mommy's a bitch and threatening to kick me out :(

[r1mbaud]

In my defence, I spent Friday night pissed as a skunk and Sunday playing poker, gambling, and drinking in a casino.

Edit: And since it's topic relevant, I smoked a whole lot of reefer.

i had strippers tied up to my bed as i went on a crazy meth fueled trip to pick up, and slowly became the driver to a crank cook, who then killed himself after a soul-filled speech on puppy slaying, then i got lost in juarez, and its easter time too! the city fathers are trying to endorse the reincarnation of paul reveres horse, but the town has no need to be nervous. While momma's in the factory she aint got no shoes, fathers in the kitchen lookin for food, im in the basement with the tombstone blues. My advice is to not let the boys in, now the medicine man comes and he shuffles inside he walks with a swagger. He says to the bride " STOP ALL THE THIS WEEPING SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE, YOU WILL NOT DIE! IT IS NOT POISON!" well, john the baptist after torturing a thief looks up at his hero the commander-in-chief saying, "tell me great hero, but please make it brief is there a hole for me to get sick in? "the commander-in-chief answers him while chasing a fly saying, "death to all those who would whimper and cry" and dropping a bar bell he points to the sky saving, "The sun's not yellow it's chicken"

[PerpetualBurn]

Yeah, you're so macho that you support killing babies.

Only if they might be born ginger.

"The sun's not yellow it's chicken"

Bob Dylan references turn me on.

[McP3000]

i had strippers tied up to my bed as i went on a crazy meth fueled trip to pick up, and slowly became the driver to a crank cook, who then killed himself after a soul-filled speech on puppy slaying, then i got lost in juarez, and its easter time too! the city fathers are trying to endorse the reincarnation of paul reveres horse, but the town has no need to be nervous. While momma's in the factory she aint got no shoes, fathers in the kitchen lookin for food, im in the basement with the tombstone blues. My advice is to not let the boys in, now the medicine man comes and he shuffles inside he walks with a swagger. He says to the bride " STOP ALL THE THIS WEEPING SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE, YOU WILL NOT DIE! IT IS NOT POISON!" well, john the baptist after torturing a thief looks up at his hero the commander-in-chief saying, "tell me great hero, but please make it brief is there a hole for me to get sick in? "the commander-in-chief answers him while chasing a fly saying, "death to all those who would whimper and cry" and dropping a bar bell he points to the sky saving, "The sun's not yellow it's chicken"
I have no clue what that is supposed to me, but i rep'd you anyway

[1338 h4x0r]

So we're back to there being an individual quality which makes each one in some sense unique.


No dude, a and c were equal members of the group's set. And by 'equal', I mean 'the same'.

[lfantwister]

i has to quit smoking because my mommy's a bitch and threatening to kick me out
cuute

living on your own ftw (/being kicked out too)

[i am the robots]

i go to a commuter college that has no housing system set up, and i really don't want to work full-time while going to school, so yeah :/

[lfantwister]

its good you have the choice

[PerpetualBurn]

No dude, a and c were equal members of the group's set. And by 'equal', I mean 'the same'.

If there's absolutely nothing to distinguish them as separate entities, then there's only one.

[i am the robots]

its good you have the choice

yeah, ill just need to quit for like, a month or two? and then im good to go, and maybe i wont have to go through an eigth in two days anymore!

[1338 h4x0r]

If there's absolutely nothing to distinguish them as separate entities, then there's only one.

Originally, you said that "no two things are identically equal." Now, let's ignore the redundancy and go along with that. I have two sets A and B, which are both empty. In some sense, they are two (not necessarily distinct) things, distinguished by two different letters. A is a subset of B and B is a subset of A. They are equal. However, the original statement identifies them as two conceivable objects, not one.

Be careful with terminology lolkthxbye.

[r1mbaud]

nah nah Im just waiting for my man
with twenty-six dollars in my hand
you know up to lexington, 125
feelin sick and dirty, more dead than alive
its just kinda restless feeling by my side
early dawning, sunday morning
Its just them wasted years so close behind
watch out, the worlds behind you
theres always someone around you who will call
its nothing at all


but i feel just like jesus' son.

[gregulus]

I have no interest in doing drugs. I don't like what I've seen drugs do to people. I choose not to do drugs. Whether or not someone wants to do drugs should be left entirely up to the individual.

[i am the robots]

Care to elaborate on drugs? The term ranges from Tylenol to Meth.

[PerpetualBurn]

Originally, you said that "no two things are identically equal." Now, let's ignore the redundancy and go along with that. I have two sets A and B, which are both empty. In some sense, they are two (not necessarily distinct) things, distinguished by two different letters. A is a subset of B and B is a subset of A. They are equal. However, the original statement identifies them as two conceivable objects, not one.

Be careful with terminology lolkthxbye.
Strawman.

As long as one is labelled A and the other B they aren't identically equal.

[1338 h4x0r]

Strawman.

As long as one is labelled A and the other B they aren't identically equal.

Strawman arguments refer to setting up a stereotype and then knocking it down.

Frankly, I don't see where there's room in math to stereotype anything, unless you consider the fact that the best way to starve a complete graph is to hide its welfare check in its work boots and that all injective mappings live in houses with dog-sized rats and pump out litters of children every nine months.

And yes, those two sets are exactly equal; ask any mathematician.

[PerpetualBurn]

Strawman arguments refer to setting up a stereotype and then knocking it down.

No they don't.

[Mr. Ron]

I don't need drugs. Frankly, I have Jesus Christ.

[i am the robots]

No they don't.

PERPETUAL BURN HATH SPOKEN

[PerpetualBurn]

And rightly so.

Because that's not what a strawman fallacy is.

[Mr. Ron]

Can we....smoke....this strawman?

[1338 h4x0r]

No they don't.

What are strawman arguments about then?

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?StrawMan

"a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted"

And yes, the two sets A and B are exactly equal. Ask any mathematician.

[i am the robots]

Can we....smoke....this strawman?

I thought you had Christ in your heart!

[PerpetualBurn]

What are strawman arguments about then?

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?StrawMan

"a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted"

And yes, the two sets A and B are exactly equal. Ask any mathematician.

A strawman fallacy is when an argument is misrepresented in a weaker form and then attributed to an opposition.

So I guess you're using a warped definition of stereotype or something.

[i am the robots]

No, it just looks like you're trying to hang onto something and making yourself look even stupider than you've already done, because you have some issue where you can't ever admit to being wrong.

[PerpetualBurn]

You might want to re-read the thread or something.

It's misrepresenting the idea of "identically equal". In a mathematical sense, I guess the two sets would be. But as long as they have a distinguishing quality which allows us to treat them as two conceptually different things, they must have something which is different about them, and in that sense they are different and unequal.

To apply a purely mathematical sense and ignore anything else would be a misrepresentation of my original statement and a strawman.

[1338 h4x0r]

A strawman fallacy is when an argument is misrepresented in a weaker form and then attributed to an opposition.

So I guess you're using a warped definition of stereotype or something.

Well, OK, I didn't have a strawman argument anyway because A and B are equal sets (A is a subset of B; B is a subset of A) according to any competent mathematician you will ever meet.

Thank me Irish luck that I'm kickin' this wee li'l Englishman's arse!

[i am the robots]

You might want to re-read the thread or something.

You might want to re-read the thread or something.

[PerpetualBurn]

Read the edit.

[i am the robots]

I read it, and it still doesn't make it any less obvious that you spend more time bluffing that actually knowing what you're talking about.

[PerpetualBurn]

Lol.

[i am the robots]

I laugh at people when I'm uncomfortable, it makes me seem more macho on the internet.

[1338 h4x0r]

Read the edit.

Labels are ephemeral. As an Englishman, you should be familiar with the works of the pantyhose-wearing homosexual William Shakespeare who wrote in Romeo and Juliet:


What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name, which is no part of thee,
Take all myself


The value of two names, Romeo and Irishman Pwnmaster McAuliffe, would be equal if they represented the same human being. Likewise, A and B are equal, as above. There is not a single mathematician on Earth that would disagree with me on this issue, and probably few, if any philosophers.

You're just not willing to admit that you got pwned by a member of that filthy refuse of the European peoples: the depised, dirty Irish race. I win.

[PerpetualBurn]

You see, I'm actually enjoying the argument with 1338 h4x0r. Do you actually have any intention of joining in?

The value of two names, Romeo and Irishman Pwnmaster McAuliffe, would be equal if they represented the same human being. Likewise, A and B are equal, as above. There is not a single mathematician on Earth that would disagree with me on this issue, and probably few, if any philosophers.

Two names representing the same entity is not the same as two names representing to distinct entities.

[1338 h4x0r]

You see, I'm actually enjoying the argument with 1338 h4x0r. Do you actually have any intention of joining in?

You got served by an Irish-American, daaaaawg

[PerpetualBurn]

But not really.

[i am the robots]

No, I witnessed it, and it was pretty lulzworthy.

[1338 h4x0r]

Two names representing the same entity is not the same as two names representing to distinct entities.

Which is fine, except that A and B are equal entities and you just shot yourself in the foot with the same cruel longbow you slaughtered our people with.

Anyway, I have definitively emerged victorious in this thread and feel like singing:

I've been a wild rover for many a year
And I've spent all my money on whiskey and beer
But now I'm returning with gold in great store
And never I'll play the wild rover no more

I went to a shanty I used to frequent
And told the landlady my money were spent
I asked her for credit, she answered me "Nay"
Saying, "Customers like you I can get any day"

Everybody sing with me!

And it's no nay never
No nay never no more
Will I play the wild rover
No never no more

I drew from my pocket ten sovereigns bright
The landlady's eyes opened wide with delight
Saying, "I have the whiskey and wine of the best
and the words that I told you were only in jest"

Join the chorus!

And it's no nay never
No nay never no more
Will I play the wild rover
No never no more

I'll go home to my parents, tell them what I've done
And hope they will pardon their prodigal son
And if they will do as so often before
No never I'll play the wild rover no more

One more time!

And it's no nay never
No nay never no more
Will I play the wild rover
No never no more

[McP3000]

oh i wish i could neg you again right now

[PerpetualBurn]

A and B are equal entities.

That mathematics is based on a taxonomic system which represents them equally is not the same as my initial point.

[1338 h4x0r]

That mathematics is based on a taxonomic system which represents them equally is not the same as my initial point.

Which is?

[PerpetualBurn]

Two entities must have at least one distinguishing feature otherwise they would not be two entities.

[1338 h4x0r]

Two entities must have at least one distinguishing feature otherwise they would not be two entities.

According to mathematics, no. I agree with mathematics, not the brutal blood-thirsty savages who raped me ancestors and pillaged their land.

[McP3000]

According to mathematics, no. I agree with mathematics, not the brutal blood-thirsty savages who raped me ancestors and pillaged their land.
I totally imagined you with a scottish brogue

[PerpetualBurn]

Mathematics is internally consistent, but it is based on a taxonomic system that is essentially arbitrary.

[1338 h4x0r]

Mathematics is internally consistent, but it is based on a taxonomic system that is essentially arbitrary.

Well, it holds buildings together and shіt. That's good enough for me.

And no, even pure mathematics has correspondences in the real world; otherwise no one would bother studying it. The English, of course, know a lot about neglecting mathematics; their lack of mathematically and scientifically trained professionals led to their crown jewel, the Raj, getting snatched by a starving octogenarian. :p

[PerpetualBurn]

I didn't say it didn't have correspondences to the real world.

[1338 h4x0r]

I didn't say it didn't have correspondences to the real world.

So it's not really arbitrary then, if it has a basis in reality.

Lugh must be proud of me. I'm chokin' up. *sniff*

[PerpetualBurn]

No.

The taxonomic classifications of mathematics base themselves around how we identify and distinguish entities in the real world. And that is somewhat an arbitrary trait of man.

[1338 h4x0r]

No.

The taxonomic classifications of mathematics base themselves around how we identify and distinguish entities in the real world. And that is somewhat an arbitrary trait of man.

By that standard, aren't all taxonomic classifications (another redundant term I see) arbitrary, including your fuсktarded ones?

[PerpetualBurn]

Perhaps.

[1338 h4x0r]

Perhaps.

That's British slang for "Yes, I got pwned; you, the victor, may now sodomise me", right?

[PerpetualBurn]

But no.

[1338 h4x0r]

But no.

But you at least agree that you got totally pwned by someone who is both Irish and American?

[PerpetualBurn]

Well, no.

[1338 h4x0r]

Well, no.

I knew you wouldn't be man enough for that.

[r1mbaud]

I knew you wouldn't be man enough for that.

something is happening here, and you dont know what it is.. do you?












mr. jones.

[i am the robots]

no, it's not catfish

[1338 h4x0r]

something is happening here, and you dont know what it is.. do you?












mr. jones.

Stop smoking weed, Bob Dylan.

[r1mbaud]

Stop smoking weed, Bob Dylan.

okay okay i just wanna know.. like you know.. whatever happened to my rock and roll? Cause like, when i tried to well, find out, you know, when the lord made me.. he made a ramblin' man.
no, it's not catfish

atleast im not hangin out with a gaggle of geese.

[i am the robots]

gaggle of geese?

[Spiritofmosa]

Honestly guys, open your eyes. I would like to try drugs for my own personal satisfaction and curiousity. Its for me myself and i know that it gets you high and is no good for you. But if i had a child , i definately would not approve of him taking drugs.

[1338 h4x0r]

Honestly guys, open your eyes. I would like to try drugs for my own personal satisfaction and curiousity. Its for me myself and i know that it gets you high and is no good for you. But if i had a child , i definately would not approve of him taking drugs.

hypocrisy ftw

[i am the robots]

if i had a kid and he/she smoked i wouldnt care, as long as they didnt let it get in the way of other shi

[1338 h4x0r]

if i had a kid and he/she smoked i wouldnt care, as long as they didnt let it get in the way of other shi

LOL, I don't want kids. I'm not so sadistic as to put someone who is half-me onto this Earth.

[VomitStainedCretin]

According to mathematics, no. I agree with mathematics, not the brutal blood-thirsty savages who raped me ancestors and pillaged their land.The Statisticians? Because I tellsz ya them Maths-Magicians is far more barb'rous and baby-barbequeing...

I really, really fancy getting hold of some reefer at some point, I haven't had any in months.

Less hazardous drugs can be balanced with a productive lifestyle if not abused. However, it's difficult holding down a job when you're a crack addict. In other words, it's a matter of degrees; most drugs if used with caution irregularly are fairly harmless; a select few are considerably potent, damaging and addictive enough that they should be avoided at all cost, i.e. the majority of Class A stuff.

"Does Class A guarantee quality?"

[1338 h4x0r]

I just don't care for drugs at all tbh. Doesn't mean I feel the need to impose my choice on others, I simply find that perceiving reality is better than perceiving a reality distorted through the lens of a drug. I have a serious debate going on with myself right now about whether I should go on antidepressants. Maybe being disgusted with the state of mankind is natural and reasonable...

[Moon Flavor]

/gets to thread late

I have a simple answer for the TS; which is that some things in this world are much more important than success, a good job, or obeying social norms...

and for me, those things (among other things) are expanding my own perspective on the world and having fun while I'm still alive.

[guitrguy]

I just don't care for drugs at all tbh. Doesn't mean I feel the need to impose my choice on others, I simply find that perceiving reality is better than perceiving a reality distorted through the lens of a drug. I have a serious debate going on with myself right now about whether I should go on antidepressants. Maybe being disgusted with the state of mankind is natural and reasonable...

Depends on what type of drug tbh, neither SSRIs or marijuana distort reality.

[-1up!-]

I have no problem whatsoever with drug use. Heck, I must be among the most socially progressive posters of this forum, so its coherent.

And I wouldn't mind if my kids used drugs, as long as they get good grades, do some sport to keep in shape, or focus passionately on something which can drive their life... As long they're not on the road to become apathetic slobs, I wouldn't mind smoking a joint with them here and then.

[1338 h4x0r]

Depends on what type of drug tbh, neither SSRIs or marijuana distort reality.

Marijuana is certainly a mild hallucinogen. SSRI's arguably distort reality, depending how you see it.

[guitrguy]

I'm prescribed and take SSRIs... its changes perspective but not reality, the same with marijuana. Even when (its never happened to me) you do see an hallucination on pot, its perceived as such, and not as a reality.

[Oriah]

Reality is what you make of it.

and mary jane is not a drug so leave her out of it.

[1338 h4x0r]

I'm prescribed and take SSRIs... its changes perspective but not reality, the same with marijuana. Even when (its never happened to me) you do see an hallucination on pot, its perceived as such, and not as a reality.

Cool. I'll consider the SSRIs again then.

[guitrguy]

Cool. I'll consider the SSRIs again then.

The thing with SSRIs is that you may have to try different type before you find on that works for you. I had to got through 3 types before I found one that worked for me.

[Det_Nosnip]

Reality is what you make of it.

and mary jane is not a drug so leave her out of it.

What? :rolleyes:

[wartomods]

Salvia, just have some in my garden :) ?
I heard it can be worse than maria joana , cause has haloucinogen effects like light lsd, and if you have a bad trip, you have a trauma, they say it is a non public event drug, is it true ?
Chewed

[wartomods]

ohh and a minor green party

[Otherside]

Salvia, just have some in my garden :) ?
I heard it can be worse than maria joana , cause has haloucinogen effects like light lsd, and if you have a bad trip, you have a trauma, they say it is a non public event drug, is it true ?
Chewed

lol salvia is the most powerful hallucinogenic in the world, not a "light lsd"

[wartomods]

lol salvia is the most powerful hallucinogenic in the world, not a "light lsd"

i can smoke it in front of a policeman mustache, so duck off

[Give me Beer]

Salvia is not that much fun IMO, it's strange **** and all, but ... it's always the same ****. LSD is far better.

[wartomods]

no way i will go into acid, just want salvia refs

[r1mbaud]

lol salvia is the most powerful hallucinogenic in the world, not a "light lsd"

are you kidding me? it's definitely not light lsd but acid is so much more powerful. It's just with acid, you dont know how many micrograms youre actually getting. if youve ever had a chemist weigh out an almost (but not) lethal dose of lysergic acid diethylamide. Youre life, perspective, reality, perspective of reality, are altered. forever. salvia is kids stuff compared to it.

[Toaster]

dont we swallow saliva all the time though

roflmao

[r1mbaud]

dont we swallow saliva all the time though

roflmao

i don't, my life is spiraling downwards due to a spitting addiction.

[CarnageFairy]

are you kidding me? it's definitely not light lsd but acid is so much more powerful. It's just with acid, you dont know how many micrograms youre actually getting. if youve ever had a chemist weigh out an almost (but not) lethal dose of lysergic acid diethylamide. Youre life, perspective, reality, perspective of reality, are altered. forever. salvia is kids stuff compared to it.

On a molecular level acid is indeed more potent, but the doses for both are measured in micrograms. As far as the intensity of the experience, well, I'll have to do DMT (or some variation therein) before I can accurately attest to the "strongest hallucinogen", not to mention experience with higher doses of mushrooms/lsd.

I'm not sure what your experience with salvia is, but the "average" salvia trip can be much more intense than your "average" acid trip, imo. There are two types of salvia trips I've had, ones with strong distortions and hallucinations, uncontrollable laughter, drool, the trips that many seem to have before discounting the drug as not worth thier time and effort.

But then there are the trips where you are taken to a completely new dimension. Complete loss of touch with this realm. Full open-eye visuals. Y'know, the good stuff. Meanwhile you're writhing on the floor babbling or perhaps just in a sort of comatose state. S' a lot of fun, and often incredibly terrifying.

And to the dude who has it in his yard, salvia translates to "sage" in english. Yeah, like the stuff on your spice rack. There are umpteen different species of salvia but only Salvia Divinorum contains the psychoactive chemical salvinorin-A. This particular species tends to require a very tropical environment and is just a rare plant to come across, not to mention a bitch to cultivate.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Marijuana is certainly a mild hallucinogen. SSRI's arguably distort reality, depending how you see it.I've never hallucinated when stoned; rather, sometimes my imagination becomes more prominrent and less controlled.

[CarnageFairy]

I've had a few things that could be considered hallucinations I guess, back in my earlier days of smokin reefer. Distortions might be more like it, generally happening more at night.

"**** that's a dude! No wait, it's a mailbox! No wait, it's a garbage can!"

One time in the middle of the day the truck driving in front of me just started bouncing up and down like it had hydraulics, another time I was so blazed there were fractals over my vision that wouldn't dissapear unless I was looking at a bright light source. It bugged me out for like an hour until I made some spaghetti.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Yeah, plenty of distortions; I got kind of freaked out the one night when fireworks (real ones, note) started going off in the distance outside the window.

[barbarian]

Our brains make their own drugs. Every time you go to sleep, you trip on DMT. Our brains have cannabinoid receptors, opioid receptors, etc. Human beings were meant to take drugs. In fact, it's plausible human beings evolved from the use of drugs.

Don't you want to have a spiritual experience? Steal a glance into your future? Have a vision of another dimension? Be a frog? Or a devil? Maybe the devil? Just for a little while?

I heard from a friend being the devil really sucks, though, but he was glad for the experience.

Go ahead and claim people should not do drugs, then go trip on DMT as you lay asleep, hypocrite!!

[VomitStainedCretin]

In fact, it's plausible human beings evolved from the use of drugs.Altered states, whilst a brilliant film IMO, is not a scientific documentary.

[i am the robots]

I've never hallucinated when stoned; rather, sometimes my imagination becomes more prominrent and less controlled.

idk ive flat out had visuals and motion related tripping when ive smoked enough

pack 3 people in a jeep and hotbox it with a 3.5 gram blunt.

[The Mickey Finn Special]

im trippin ballz right now :amaze:

[r1mbaud]

On a molecular level acid is indeed more potent, but the doses for both are measured in micrograms. As far as the intensity of the experience, well, I'll have to do DMT (or some variation therein) before I can accurately attest to the "strongest hallucinogen", not to mention experience with higher doses of mushrooms/lsd.

I'm not sure what your experience with salvia is, but the "average" salvia trip can be much more intense than your "average" acid trip, imo. There are two types of salvia trips I've had, ones with strong distortions and hallucinations, uncontrollable laughter, drool, the trips that many seem to have before discounting the drug as not worth thier time and effort.

But then there are the trips where you are taken to a completely new dimension. Complete loss of touch with this realm. Full open-eye visuals. Y'know, the good stuff. Meanwhile you're writhing on the floor babbling or perhaps just in a sort of comatose state. S' a lot of fun, and often incredibly terrifying.

And to the dude who has it in his yard, salvia translates to "sage" in english. Yeah, like the stuff on your spice rack. There are umpteen different species of salvia but only Salvia Divinorum contains the psychoactive chemical salvinorin-A. This particular species tends to require a very tropical environment and is just a rare plant to come across, not to mention a bitch to cultivate.

i dont know, it depends on whether youre looking for ultra self/societal reflection(LSD) or ultra visuals and full on hallucinations (DMT)

[r1mbaud]

idk ive flat out had visuals and motion related tripping when ive smoked enough

pack 3 people in a jeep and hotbox it with a 3.5 gram blunt.

and you claim to see things from that?

[joshmay]

Drop Acid Not Bombs

[1338 h4x0r]

Our brains make their own drugs. Every time you go to sleep, you trip on DMT. Our brains have cannabinoid receptors, opioid receptors, etc. Human beings were meant to take drugs. In fact, it's plausible human beings evolved from the use of drugs.


Generally speaking, recreational drugs overload those receptors and then they get accustomed to that overload, leading to dependence. We have stomachs for digesting food as well, but that doesn't mean you should go and eat twelve pounds of spaghetti at once. I don't intend to take cannabis because there's some evidence to suggest that it ****s up the cannabinoid receptors in the hippocampus, which is essential to learning.

Moreover, I honestly can't see how we could have evolved through the use of drugs. How does drug use select alleles in a population of humans?

[guitrguy]

Generally speaking, recreational drugs overload those receptors and then they get accustomed to that overload, leading to dependence. We have stomachs for digesting food as well, but that doesn't mean you should go and eat twelve pounds of spaghetti at once. I don't intend to take cannabis because there's some evidence to suggest that it ****s up the cannabinoid receptors in the hippocampus, which is essential to learning.

Moreover, I honestly can't see how we could have evolved through the use of drugs. How does drug use select alleles in a population of humans?

QFT. To sum it all up, moderation is key.

[gregulus]

Our brains make their own drugs. Every time you go to sleep, you trip on DMT. Our brains have cannabinoid receptors, opioid receptors, etc. Human beings were meant to take drugs. In fact, it's plausible human beings evolved from the use of drugs.

Don't you want to have a spiritual experience? Steal a glance into your future? Have a vision of another dimension? Be a frog? Or a devil? Maybe the devil? Just for a little while?

I heard from a friend being the devil really sucks, though, but he was glad for the experience.

Go ahead and claim people should not do drugs, then go trip on DMT as you lay asleep, hypocrite!!
DMT isn't usually produced at any sort of significant level. The receptors in our body you claim are for drug use are used naturally in the body. For instance, enkephalins are a natural way for our body to fight pain that bind to opioid receptors. Human beings didn't evolve because of drugs.

[i am the robots]

and you claim to see things from that?

i thought the car was moving sideways and was assured it didnt move at all, and upon further inspection when exiting the car, that seems to have been the case.

[irishslappop]

everyone should do drugs. your missing out on an entirely different experience and culture. Im not saying we should all be shroomed out or coked up every day, but it's worth it to try something once. Unless your a dumbass with no will power and get addicted.

sadly, the ones who probably shouldn;t do drugs very much [the poor and unmotivated] are usually the ones that abuse them.

[uncus_my_son]

Im not saying we should all be shroomed out or coked up every day, but it's worth it to try something once. Unless your a dumbass with no will power and get addicted.


i nominate this for the most ignorant thing ever posted on mx

[irishslappop]

awesome. now we're getting somewhere. explain.

[uncus_my_son]

well its not like all the addicts in the world are just dumbasses w/ no will power
i dont imagine you have any experience w/ addiction other than watching fear and loathing in las vegas other wise you wouldnt have said that

[Moon Flavor]

awesome. now we're getting somewhere. explain.

I think he meant the fact that dumbassness and addiction potential have no correlation?

But besides that I agree with your post completely.

[i am the robots]

No, there's definitely a correlation, but it also has to do with personality types and common sense and what not.

[irishslappop]

No, there's definitely a correlation, but it also has to do with personality types and common sense and what not.

then how is there no correlation? being a dumbass is a personality type no?

perhaps i should eliminate dumbass and just leave it as people with a weak will.

[uncus_my_son]

its not people w/ a weak will either
stop talking you dont get it


edit go ahead and keep thinking the way you do and keep experimenting w/ drugs and after you get strung out then come back and tell us how you feel about addicts

[irishslappop]

MAKE ME GET IT THEN DIPSHIT. if im wrong, then tell me whats right. have you ever talk to anyone in real life? you cant just say "your wrong hardy har har" you have to state your position. if all you say is "your wrong lawl! you dont gets it." that doesn't mean anything, to anyone. your fooling youself into thinking that your right. either state why im wrong or stfu.

[Moon Flavor]

MAKE ME GET IT THEN DIPSHIT. if im wrong, then tell me whats right. have you ever talk to anyone in real life? you cant just say "your wrong hardy har har" you have to state your position. if all you say is "your wrong lawl! you dont gets it." that doesn't mean anything, to anyone. your fooling youself into thinking that your right. either state why im wrong or stfu.

You're both wrong. This post is very correct, but at the same time, you're severely underrating the control that addiction can have over someone.

[irishslappop]

There are drugs that are highly addictive and doing them more than once, or even once for some people, is potenially dangerous if you don't with to become addicted. But i've tried all the "super addictive ones and the only i found myself craving the next day was Heroine. I fear if i did that again, i would be trouble. Cocaine? not so much. fun, but a total waste of money. i could never become addicted to it because the costs hugely outweigh the benefits. it's fun every now and then when it's available and cheap...

i feel most addictions can be controlled. if you sort through and analyze your situation, you can think through most addiction. it just takes effort. Cigarettes!? please? cigarette addiction is rediculous. if you cant quit cold turkey it's because deep down you don't really want to quit. I'll buy a pack, smoke the **** out of it in 2 days and not buy another one for a month or more because they just aren;t nessesary. you smell, your teeth suffer, your lungs suffer. if you had any sense at all you would just NOT BUY THEM to quit.

[uncus_my_son]

You're both wrong. This post is very correct, but at the same time, you're severely underrating the control that addiction can have over someone.

how am i wrong
are you saying that every body who has ever gotten strung out is a dumbass or has no will power


cuz youre the one whos wrong if thats what youre saying

and no im not going to write out a big long post about it cuz when you dont use grammar theres a point where no one will get it

[pedro durruti]

Sometimes, our present circumstances are so out of control, our self so distorted from what it once was, that the chemicals in our drugs become the chemicals in our brains, and in no way could we have predicted this would happen to us. But it did, because we are always changing. We do not care to change our drug use either, or not enough to give a hoot, because it has fitted in with our existence within some period of time. And sometimes we do just not have the mental resources to resist the drug's allure.

[irishslappop]

pedro your good man. Thats the kind of refute i was looking for. and i definitely agree with that. i dont think your describing addiction as most people view it, but your describing a different type. the word that comes to mind is dependency. but yeah, it's when you become comfortable with your constant drug use that you won't stop doing them. and your so used to how you are on them then you loose sight of what you were without them. it becomes part of your [ to quote The Matrix] residual self image.

[irishslappop]

how am i wrong
are you saying that every body who has ever gotten strung out is a dumbass or has no will power


cuz youre the one whos wrong if thats what youre saying

and no im not going to write out a big long post about it cuz when you dont use grammar theres a point where no one will get it

then what are you doing? stop wasting your time and do something.

[uncus_my_son]

then what are you doing? stop wasting your time and do something.

im not wasting my time im cruising the net before school
i was offended by your post and so i decided to tell you how i felt thats all it is

[irishslappop]

sorry buddy. opinions are like assholes. sorry if mine makes your balls quiver.

i mean, if your "not gonna waste your time" then i must not have offended you THAT much.


:lol:
i'll stop.

[chronopops]

There are drugs that are highly addictive and doing them more than once, or even once for some people, is potenially dangerous if you don't with to become addicted. But i've tried all the "super addictive ones and the only i found myself craving the next day was Heroine. I fear if i did that again, i would be trouble. Cocaine? not so much. fun, but a total waste of money. i could never become addicted to it because the costs hugely outweigh the benefits. it's fun every now and then when it's available and cheap...

i feel most addictions can be controlled. if you sort through and analyze your situation, you can think through most addiction. it just takes effort. Cigarettes!? please? cigarette addiction is rediculous. if you cant quit cold turkey it's because deep down you don't really want to quit. I'll buy a pack, smoke the **** out of it in 2 days and not buy another one for a month or more because they just aren;t nessesary. you smell, your teeth suffer, your lungs suffer. if you had any sense at all you would just NOT BUY THEM to quit.

Of course they don't want to quit- they're addicted.

Just because you don't have an addictive personality or a history of addiction doesn't mean that nobody else does, nor does it make you any better or stronger minded.

[wartomods]

irishslappop, you are forgetting about phisychal addiction, some people think it doesnt exist, but it exists.
And i think you should already know that the human mind can change to different moods and perpectives quickly, even without drugs

[uncus_my_son]

sorry buddy. opinions are like spatulas. sorry if mine makes your balls quiver.

i mean, if your "not gonna waste your time" then i must not have offended you THAT much.


:lol:
i'll stop.
oh i see what youre saying thats not what i meant by waste my time
usually when i right long posts people dont get what im trying to say thats all i meant

[irishslappop]

irishslappop, you are forgetting about phisychal addiction, some people think it doesnt exist, but it exists.

i conceided [sp?] to Pedro's post about physical addiction, it all really depends what drug we're discussion ya know? Cocaine, heroine, extremely powerful, your right.

Of course they don't want to quit- they're addicted.
in most cases i'd agree with that.
Just because you don't have an addictive personality or a history of addiction doesn't mean that nobody else does, nor does it make you any better or stronger minded.
see what you call an addictive personality, i constitute as a weak will. If you can't think through the fact that "omg i really need X drug," and that that is probably going to be very detrimental to you, then i say you have a weak will. There's no such thing as an instant addiction, it takes a concious choice to call your connect, spend the money and do it again when your craving it for no reason.

[irishslappop]

oh i see what youre saying thats not what i meant by waste my time
usually when i right long posts people dont get what im trying to say thats all i meant

ok. well, give it a shot next time, i'd say im pretty open minded.

[Rams]

see what you call an addictive personality, i constitute as a weak will. If you can't think through the fact that "omg i really need X drug," and that that is probably going to be very detrimental to you, then i say you have a weak will. There's no such thing as an instant addiction, it takes a concious choice to call your connect, spend the money and do it again when your craving it for no reason.

It's hard to differentiate addiction from recreational use until it is too late. More often than not, people use because they want to and then at some point it might blur into a necessity to them.

[irishslappop]

^^ :thumb: thats why you stick to the **** that makes your senses hightened/lucid instead of the stimulants and other mind ****s like coke or meth. i've tried both and found nothing apealing about either.

[i am the robots]

its not people w/ a weak will either
stop talking you dont get it


edit go ahead and keep thinking the way you do and keep experimenting w/ drugs and after you get strung out then come back and tell us how you feel about addicts

ive dealt with addiction before but im not a moron, i know it was my fault that i ****ed around with things that i shouldnt have now

[McP3000]

Im still confused on why anyone thinks that cocaine or heroin needs to be legal

pot...that's a different story :rolleyes:

[r1mbaud]

Im still confused on why anyone thinks that cocaine or heroin needs to be legal

pot...that's a different story :rolleyes:
because it's a mental weakness to give into pressure and gluttony, should you fall into drugs you surround you're self with until you cant handle not being with it. It's natural selection.

[pedro durruti]

Im still confused on why anyone thinks that cocaine or heroin needs to be legal

pot...that's a different story
Well, they probably shouldn't be legalized, at least not heroin... because of societal repercussions... but I haven't really studied the matter, and there are alternatives to their current legal status.

Why are you rolling your eyes?

[McP3000]

because it's a mental weakness to give into pressure and gluttony, should you fall into drugs you surround you're self with until you cant handle not being with it. It's natural selection.
lol
social darwinism

Well, they probably shouldn't be legalized, at least not heroin... because of societal repercussions... but I haven't really studied the matter, and there are alternatives to their current legal status.

Why are you rolling your eyes?
Cocaine would have similar reprecussions to heroin.
and im rolling my eyes because of my current relationship with pot.

[1338 h4x0r]

because it's a mental weakness to give into pressure and gluttony, should you fall into drugs you surround you're self with until you cant handle not being with it. It's natural selection.

LOL, thanks, Varg Vikernes. :p

[r1mbaud]

^^ :thumb: thats why you stick to the **** that makes your senses hightened/lucid instead of the stimulants and other mind ****s like coke or meth. i've tried both and found nothing apealing about either.

coke and meth = the most lucid drugs you can get. AND they're both stimulants so i don't know why you said X,y, and stimulants.


i conceided [sp?] to Pedro's post about physical addiction, it all really depends what drug we're discussion ya know? Cocaine, heroine, extremely powerful, your right.

conceded, cocaine... psychologically addictive, heroiN, both.

oh i see what youre saying thats not what i meant by waste my time
usually when i right long posts people dont get what im trying to say thats all i meant
i nominate this for the most ignorant thing ever posted on mx
well its not like all the addicts in the world are just dumbasses w/ no will power
i dont imagine you have any experience w/ addiction other than watching fear and loathing in las vegas other wise you wouldnt have said that
its not people w/ a weak will either
stop talking you dont get it


edit go ahead and keep thinking the way you do and keep experimenting w/ drugs and after you get strung out then come back and tell us how you feel about addicts
you’ve PROBABLY NEVER EVEN USED A RIG, you’re not a big shot drug user, stop acting like one. Having intravenously injected every drug from cocaine and heroin, to meth and even oxycodone as a youth. I can tell you, being addicted IS DIRECTLY RELATED to a weak will who is more likely to fall for attractive stuff faster and harder. There is a slight increase if you have a family history or had it imposed upon you as a child, like me who has had both. Note: the extremity of my past drug use. If you don't get over it you are just weak, and that’s how it is. Same with cigarettes alcohol... everything. The drug itself can cloud your judgment, but to be able to securely have a grasp on what you SHOULD do even after, 9 day ice binges, to doing a shot of brown every two hours for a week, and going through being dope sick off of that and then not doing it for a long time after is will power... and fear.

LOL, thanks, Varg Vikernes. you compare me to that?!

[1338 h4x0r]

you compare me to that?!

Varg actually suggested that every drug should be legalized so heavy users eventually wipe themselves out.

Only a half-serious comparison though. :chug:

[McP3000]

Varg actually suggested that every drug should be legalized so heavy users eventually wipe themselves out.

Only a half-serious comparison though. :chug:
A satanist on another board said this

he also wants to remove all healthcare because of his fear of overpopulation so idk

[guitrguy]

A satanist on another board said this

he also wants to remove all healthcare because of his fear of overpopulation so idk

:lol: may you direct me to the proper forum, so I may troll him?

[dei]

I need this link.

[mrclean10111]

lawl drugs

me and my friends go through a half o every week, good times

[lfantwister]

Im still confused on why anyone thinks that cocaine or heroin needs to be legal
if it's legal it can be restricted and regulated and taxed -> more reliable sources, better quality, less people being shot about this stuff

[Moon Flavor]

And as a sidenote, heroin isn't very different from any other painkiller besides its intensity. It gets a bad rap because people stick in their arm, but stuff like Fentanyl patches are very much legal (prescribed) and also more powerful (when abused).

[irishslappop]

coke and meth = the most lucid drugs you can get. AND they're both stimulants so i don't know why you said X,y, and stimulants.

i think i ment hallucinatory. :wave: ima big fan of those :]

[guitrguy]

hallucinogen*

[irishslappop]

sorry Mrs. applebee, i make **** up.

[-1up!-]

Im still confused on why anyone thinks that cocaine or heroin needs to be legal

I'm still confused as to why anyone thinks cocaine or heroin needs to stay illegal, and somehow justifies that position.

[Moon Flavor]

I'm still confused as to why anyone thinks cocaine or heroin needs to stay illegal, and somehow justifies that position.

You....are?

I mean, I'm pretty pro-legalization of must drugs, but coke and heroin are associated with so much bad ****... I can definitely see where they're coming from with this

[Iskandar]

if it's legal it can be restricted and regulated and taxedBut ... that'd be Big Government interfering with the magic of the market.

[mrclean10111]

if it is legalized the government will control it but, you can still grow it and buy good ****.

just like tomatoes, you can buy them in grocery stores, or grow them yourself :)

[guitrguy]

Marijuana could, idk, pay for better education.

[r1mbaud]

if it is legalized the government will control it but, you can still grow it and buy good ****.

just like tomatoes, you can buy them in grocery stores, or grow them yourself :)

you can't make your own beer though..

And as a sidenote, heroin isn't very different from any other painkiller besides its intensity. It gets a bad rap because people stick in their arm, but stuff like Fentanyl patches are very much legal (prescribed) and also more powerful (when abused).
truth. fentanyl has almost no euphoria though so thats the problem with that.

[VomitStainedCretin]

I mean, I'm pretty pro-legalization of must drugs, but coke and heroin are associated with so much bad ****... I can definitely see where they're coming from with thisIt's a serious dilemma IMO, because there is no doubt that hard drugs are highly dangerous and damaging. However, there will always be a demand and therefore always a lucrative market to supply which can be and is exploited by violent and unscrupulous criminal gangs. Legalisation and government control of the market would hopefully largely dissperse these criminal elements but many people couldn't accept the moral implications of aiding the self-destruction of addicts (though this is not a problem for me, it means it would be difficult convincing many groups in society). Furthermore, there is the question of how the government would restrict access to more dangerous substances to protect vulnerable groups without reinvigorating the illegal underground market.

[McP3000]

:lol: may you direct me to the proper forum, so I may troll him?
Well, i got banned from their forums so im not at liberty to give its url away
:p

[PerpetualBurn]

you can't make your own beer though..


I brew my own beer.

It costs me about 15p a pint.

[Gizmo69]

people dont like being told what to do and it causes rebellion... i wouldnt reccomend doing drugs at all but be careful if you do...

i cant say much, i dont touch drugs but do go out with mates and drink like a camel.. so id be hypocritical to give that whole ''my body is a temple'' bollocks

[irishslappop]

I brew my own beer.

It costs me about 15p a pint.

i hella laughed at that post :lol:
my buddy brews his own **** and it's pretty gnarley. especially his Ganja Brew. stuff messes you up.

[VomitStainedCretin]

I brew my own beer.

It costs me about 15p a pint.Laws are probably stricter in the US I'm guessing. In the UK I believe you don't need a license unless you're brewing spirits.

[PerpetualBurn]

You don't need a license unless you're going to distill it. Which basically caps you at around 20% abv.

But homebrew is awesome. Much nicer than a lot of stuff in the shops, and far far cheaper.

[entheogen]

people have the right to their own life. if they want to do drugs - fine. if they want to kill themselves - fine.

anybody who thinks he is smart enough to tell other people how they should live their lives is usually about as bright as a brick.

[McP3000]

people have the right to their own life. if they want to do drugs - fine. if they want to kill themselves - fine.

anybody who thinks he is smart enough to tell other people how they should live their lives is usually about as bright as a brick.
People have the right to live their own life until it infringes on other people's rights.
This is what we call the gray area. Welcome to politics my friend.

[-1up!-]

You....are?

I mean, I'm pretty pro-legalization of must drugs, but coke and heroin are associated with so much bad ****... I can definitely see where they're coming from with this

At a very basic level I have trouble accepting that the government might want to protect me from myself. Unless someone forces me to take drugs, I should be free to take whatever substance I wish to take without the gov't acting as my caring mother.

[Moon Flavor]

At a very basic level I have trouble accepting that the government might want to protect me from myself. Unless someone forces me to take drugs, I should be free to take whatever substance I wish to take without the gov't acting as my caring mother.

I know 2 people that have been stabbed over drugs, and one was a 17 year old coke dealer at the time. And I'm just from a small white-bred christian village where this **** is real uncommon.

THAT is why most drugs are illegal.

[Saetia]

Lol at this thread. Of course people shouldn't do drugs. People shouldn't do a lot of things. The fact that you wasted at least 10 minutes typing up this argument is sorta like writing a 5 page report about why a donut diet wouldn't work.

[PerpetualBurn]

I know 2 people that have been stabbed over drugs, and one was a 17 year old coke dealer at the time. And I'm just from a small white-bred christian village where this **** is real uncommon.

THAT is why most drugs are illegal.

If they weren't being sold by 17 year old coke dealers on the back streets, there wouldn't be so many security issues, one might think.

[Moon Flavor]

If they weren't being sold by 17 year old coke dealers on the back streets, there wouldn't be so many security issues, one might think.

Yeah, but....they are, and there isn't a whole lot we can do about it.

[je suis un beau chapeau]

making them legal and selling them in stores




edit: retard

[Moon Flavor]

making them legal and selling them in stores




edit: retard

I kinda doubt that would stop a lot of illegal drug trafficking at this point.

retard

[je suis un beau chapeau]

yeah bootlegging alcohol is still very much a problem in american society

[Moon Flavor]

yeah bootlegging alcohol is still very much a problem in american society

Bootlegging alcohol is a long difficult process with little profit yield for the most part.

Illegal drug trafficking would still exist because:
1) There would still be plenty of supply due to it being an easy way for kids to make money without having a real job.
2) Stuff like weed, coke, mushrooms, perscription pills, and acid are very easy to make or get ahold of from larger scale dealers with a little bit of experience.
3) There would still be demand because black market prices would probably a gajillion times cheaper than government rates after "tax".
4) I don't know if you've ever been a part of the drug scene (for lack of better phrase), but if you have, you don't have to be a genius to realize it's not going away the instant **** gets legalized just because it's been around so long and people are used to it.

edit: And as bit of useless anecdotal evidence on the side, I know a few people that have made wine, absinthe, and other assorted alcohol on their own just for shits and giggles.

[McP3000]

Not to mention that there is no reason any sane human being should ever do cocaine or heroin.

[Futue te Ipsum]

To keep doctors in employment.

[-1up!-]

I know 2 people that have been stabbed over drugs, and one was a 17 year old coke dealer at the time. And I'm just from a small white-bred christian village where this **** is real uncommon.

THAT is why most drugs are illegal.

Your logic is going in reverse. It is precisely BECAUSE drugs are illegal that those 2 people you know have been stabbed over them. Think anyone would get stabbed over them if they were legal? I don't.

Not to mention that there is no reason any sane human being should ever do cocaine or heroin.

I'm perfectly sane and I would do cocaine once or even a few times to know how it feels. Lots of sane people like to experiment drugs.

Now heroin I wouldn't because sticking a needle into my skin to get a high is going to far even for my own very liberal standards about drugs.

[Moon Flavor]

Your logic is going in reverse. It is precisely BECAUSE drugs are illegal that those 2 people you know have been stabbed over them. Think anyone would get stabbed over them if they were legal? I don't.

I do think so i.e. read the overly long post I just made.