OMG I Just Threw Up In My Mouth. If You See Why, It Will Be Like The Exorcist In Here

[Against Miik!]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_umButQ-diU

*This footage is brought to you from Hillary Clinton's new private jet, aptly titled Hill Force One.

[Akira]

Why am I supposed to throw up?

[guitrguy]

shes a pandering ninny

[Mute Requiem]

lol right and left wing analogies

And if you look straight ahead, where my plane is actually going, you'll all see you're pretty much screwed.

[-1up!-]

This thread does not deliver.

[McP3000]

I want that plane to crash and burn

now

[spitfirejunky]

I didn't think it was that bad. But it's definitely not funny.

[Cain]

I don't think this is throw-up worthy, at all.

It's barely cringe-out-of-embarrassment-for-the-other worthy.

[Against Miik!]

I guess nobody hate Hillary as much as I do.

I really hate this whole "down to Earth" act she has going. I hate when people are like "Ooo she's really funny and personable when you get up close and personal". Well, she's obviously not. She has no sense of humor. She is not down to Earth. She is the epitome of American elite, with her sense of entitlement and preachy rhetoric. Her Christmas ad really showed what she was all about. She thought it was a good thing. It's not. Right here if you haven't seen it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=1fpZh77t5Oo

She has this holier than thou attitude, like she can be savior of America and bring everybody all these great things. Well guess what, she can't do it, and people don't want the government to give them everything. Well, some do. But they don't seem to get it. If they want to have everything handed to them, they can move to Canada. I don't say that with a "this is my country and you can get out" attitude. I am being dead serious. Different countries are founded on different principles, and if you don't like the ones your country is founded on, you can go to one where you do agree. And Canada is a very easy option. They all pretty much speak English, and its really really close.

[spitfirejunky]

No you see, Canada pulls this off because they have horrendous taxes.

[Against Miik!]

I am aware. But most people are not aware of this. They don't get that we will pay for these services regardless of who is offering them, only when the government does it, it will be more restrictive, quality will go down, and we will have less freedom. Social programs work great in some European countries, but a country of 350 million is a bit different.

[Permanent Solution]

lol libertarian

[Against Miik!]

Yeah, maybe I am. So what. I'm not a bad person. I just want to live my life, probably get a job someday, that I am fairly compensated for, hang out, do my hobbies, etc...I don't want to deal with all this big government bureaucracy crap. I don't want to be forced to get health care just so I can get a job. I don't want to pay for social security that I am not going to get. It's not being selfish or elitist or anything, it's not about not wanting to help the poor. I can do that if I damn well please, and I don't think that anybody should have to force me to do anything if all I want to do is mind my own business.

[Permanent Solution]

If there were no social programs in place it would hurt society and what is bad for society is bad for the individual.

That aside your last post was just so infused with libertarian rhetoric I couldn't help laughing.

[guitrguy]

Yeah, maybe I am. So what. I'm not a bad person. I just want to live my life, probably get a job someday, that I am fairly compensated for, hang out, do my hobbies, etc...I don't want to deal with all this big government bureaucracy crap. I don't want to be forced to get health care just so I can get a job. I don't want to pay for social security that I am not going to get. It's not being selfish or elitist or anything, it's not about not wanting to help the poor. I can do that if I damn well please, and I don't think that anybody should have to force me to do anything if all I want to do is mind my own business.

To bad we can't rely on that idealism from everybody.

[Cocaine]

I hate when people are like "Ooo she's really funny and personable when you get up close and personal". Well, she's obviously not. She has no sense of humor. She is not down to Earth
And you've been up close and personal with her.

[Against Miik!]

Whats wrong with libertarian rhetoric? Thats all anybody does is spew the rhetoric of their beliefs. What else can I say?

And no, I haven't been up close and personal with her. But I see her every night on TV in some fashion or another, and if she really was a down to Earth person, it would show, even if it was just a tiny bit. But she doesn't show it. If she is a down to Earth person, that means that she can successfully pull off being two completely different people depending on who she is talking too. A lot of people do that, but I don't want that from a president.

[Permanent Solution]

Libertarian rhetoric just happens to be funny due to the absurdness of it.

[guitrguy]

Whats wrong with libertarian rhetoric? Thats all anybody does is spew the rhetoric of their beliefs. What else can I say?

And no, I haven't been up close and personal with her. But I see her every night on TV in some fashion or another, and if she really was a down to Earth person, it would show, even if it was just a tiny bit. But she doesn't show it. If she is a down to Earth person, that means that she can successfully pull off being two completely different people depending on who she is talking too. A lot of people do that, but I don't want that from a president.

So you're concluding on trait the is seen through personal interaction, with out actually having personal interaction?

[Against Miik!]

I most certainly am. One of the goals of everybody presidential candidate in an election is to relate to the common person. Even if it is a sham, they all at least try. She tries, but it is such a terribly stereotypical and backhanded way that its almost sickening, and I don't know how anybody falls for it. She likes to tout her record on change and everything, but that was a long time ago. Now it seems like everything she does is for publicity or some sort of personal gain. She is just so self righteous.

[Permanent Solution]

Everyone acts different depending on the group they're in that's totally natural.

[Against Miik!]

I already said I am aware of that, but does she really think we are that dumb? I think she does.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI

Where did that accent come from? I know its Fox News, but they didn't fake the audio.

[guitrguy]

Thats actually normal for people to do that subconsciously.


I most certainly am. One of the goals of everybody presidential candidate in an election is to relate to the common person. Even if it is a sham, they all at least try. She tries, but it is such a terribly stereotypical and backhanded way that its almost sickening, and I don't know how anybody falls for it. She likes to tout her record on change and everything, but that was a long time ago. Now it seems like everything she does is for publicity or some sort of personal gain. She is just so self righteous.

Trust me, I don't like her either, but you're making judgments on things you haven't seen.

[Against Miik!]

I don't need to meet her. She is a public figure. And not like an entertainer is a public figure. She puts herself out there, the real her, for all of us to see, in hopes that we like her best out of however many candidates are left. That is the point of this year and a half prior to elections. It's to get to know the candidates and weed out the ones we dislike. What I wonder is, would she still be here if she wasn't a Clinton? Would have anything she has if she wasn't a Clinton? I mean, she went to Yale, so she would probably be doing o.k. But chances are I wouldn't know who she was, and I wish thats the way its was now.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rysGfGPjJ9A

I apologize for the source. A.J. is a little nuts, but this is the feeling I get when I here Hillary. Its all ****ing fake. It is all just a lie. And its a bit sad, kinda like the awkward kid who starts smoking cigarettes just to fit in with the cool kids, she is just so fake. And after these last 7 years, I thought, that more than anything, we would want a leader who is straight with us, who doesn't treat us like idiots (even though we apparently are), and who is just an overall honest person. Hillary represents none of these qualities. She represents the elite of America, the special interests. She will do what benefits her, and nothing else. Even Michael Moore, a fellow pathetic democrat (not all dems are pathetic, but these two are), ousted her as a fraud in his movie Sicko. Socialized medicine my ***. Who has been among the top recipients of health care industry money? Thats right, Hillary. And even Michael Moore's fat *** gets that. Why can't everybody else? SHE IS A GOD DAMN FAKE.

[guitrguy]

So why are you supporting paul? His ideas would only give people like her more power.

[Against Miik!]

Thats the case with any candidate tbh. Rich people are gonna get rich in a capitalist society, no matter what the leanings of its leader are.

[guitrguy]

and the poor are going to get poorer.

[Det_Nosnip]

I like how Miik hates Hillary despite the fact that she would be a 100x better candidate than Ron Paul. That's not saying much, but...all I can say is: glass houses.

Here's something that causes rational people to throw up in their mouths: supporting a candidate WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!

[illpressureurhinges1]

America, the strongest nation in the world, will be a joke with a woman at the helm... Especially Hill-Dawg.

[guitrguy]

America, the strongest nation in the world, will be a joke with a woman at the helm... Especially Hill-Dawg.
Why does her gender have anything to do with it?

[dei]

Why does her gender have anything to do with it?

I want to know the answer to this question.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Well maybe it might not matter in America... But I think we would look weak, considering we're supposed to be the most powerful nation in the world, in other nations eyes with a woman as a leader.

[guitrguy]

Well maybe it might not matter in America... But I think we would look weak, considering we're supposed to be the most powerful nation in the world, in other nations eyes with a woman as a leader.

Yet many countries have/had female premiers, and most of the western world is much more progressive than the US as well.

[illpressureurhinges1]

There are still also plenty of countries that look down upon women in powerful roles... I don't know, it just seems like it would make us look weak, but that's just my opinion. I guess who cares anyway, I won't be able to vote for this election.

[dei]

Well maybe it might not matter in America... But I think we would look weak, considering we're supposed to be the most powerful nation in the world, in other nations eyes with a woman as a leader.

Why would we look weak?

Oh, because women are weak. Right.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Because there are countries that still don't agree with the concept of women holding power, and being the US, it might seem like, in their eyes, we have handed all our power over to a gender unqualified to handle it. I am in no way saying I agree with that mindset, I'm just worried about what other countries might think.

[dei]

It's not going to make us weaker, though, so it's stupid to care what other countries think.

[guitrguy]

They seem to deal with Condi Rice just fine.

[illpressureurhinges1]

It's not going to make us weaker, though, so it's stupid to care what other countries think.

And you're probably right, but I was just expressing my personal concerns. And no, women are not weak. I have no problem with a woman president simply because it would be a woman. We're all equal.

Guitrguy: Well I wouldn't want to mess with her, she creeps me out.

[guitrguy]

And if we do let other countries' views influence our elections, then we are obviously not that strong of a country.

[illpressureurhinges1]

Well then I guess it's a good thing I'm not old enough to vote... Although I do like Obama better, and not just because I don't want a woman president. I just like him better. Plus he went to the college that I'm most likely going to attend.

[Against Miik!]

You can tell we've made progress when a man named Barack Hussein Obama can be a serious contender for president. I hope he's wearing a vest though.

[dei]

Why does it matter that his name is Barack Hussein Obama?

[illpressureurhinges1]

Maybe because it sounds somewhat like the names of terrorists who bombed our country about 7 years ago...

[Against Miik!]

Why does it matter that his name is Barack Hussein Obama?

Are you really that naive?

[Cocaine]

Are you really that naive?

Are you really that ignorant?

[Knifeboy]

Are you really that ignorant?

Are you seriously suggesting that name wouldn't have made it hard to become president 50 years ago?

[McP3000]

Are you seriously suggesting that name wouldn't have made it hard to become president 50 years ago?
If you were a wizard what would your name be?

[ringworm]

Libertarian rhetoric just happens to be funny due to the absurdness of it.
about as funny as the one or two comments i see over and over from paul haters? :)

[Iskandar]

about as funny as the one or two comments i see over and over from paul haters? :)Not nearly as funny as the one or two comments I see over and over from Paul supporters.

It's funny, I never knew the Federal Reserve was a fascist plot until Ron Paul came along.

[ringworm]

Not nearly as funny as the one or two comments I see over and over from Paul supporters.
where are they? i seem to recall that he has numerous postive platforms stated by me and AgainstMiik! on several occasions, but yeah yeah, bring up evolution and the federal reserve, none of which are plausible to enact are even relevant to what his campaign is trying to get most people to understand about the desparate state the US is in.

I've never seen a person that sees whats wrong with a country, or its legislation, or the paper that its supposed to adhere to treated like all the other candidates that ignore these people or policies SHOULD be treated, its really strange.

[Iskandar]

where are they? i seem to recall that he has numerous postive platforms stated by me and AgainstMiik! on several occasions, but yeah yeah, bring up evolution and the federal reserve, none of which are plausible to enact are even relevant to what his campaign is trying to get most people to understand about the desparate state the US is in..I don't mean you guys so much as random fanboys on the Internet who talk about the Fed as if it's the number one election issue when in fact they only found out the Fed existed last Tuesday when they say Ron Paul on CNN for five minutes.

[Mr. Ron]

I don't mean you guys so much as random fanboys on the Internet who talk about the Fed as if it's the number one election issue when in fact they only found out the Fed existed last Tuesday when they say Ron Paul on CNN for five minutes.

EXACTLY! :lol:

[ringworm]

I don't mean you guys so much as random fanboys on the Internet who talk about the Fed as if it's the number one election issue
ok, gotcha

while i somewhat agree on how the FedRes is screwing up the currency/economy with the way it handles things, i certainly dont want it abolished (I dont feel i have enough knowledge to make a intelligent choice either way at this point), but, at the same time, i dont fear that if elected, he would even be able to, but his butt in the chair at the oval office would at least rope in some of the actions I see as detrimental to our country more than any other candidate

[Iskandar]

Seriously, I don't mind Ron Paul. I think he's dead on about foreign policy. But I can't get behind his robber baron capitalism, and I don't think he has a hope in hell at the presidency. I feel bad for him when the other candidates cut him off and attack him at debates, just because he has something different to say, which runs contrary to their beliefs.

[ringworm]

Seriously, I don't mind Ron Paul

ok, the way you jumped on my comment towards Perm, i mistook it, his constant mocking is what I meant as boring, old and laughable, especially towards someone with so many positives, especially when compared to the other laughable candidates

I feel bad for him when the other candidates cut him off and attack him at debates, just because he has something different to say, which runs contrary to their beliefs.
yep, agreed

[Reaganista]

I don't say that with a "this is my country and you can get out" attitude. I am being dead serious. Different countries are founded on different principles, and if you don't like the ones your country is founded on, you can go to one where you do agree. And Canada is a very easy option. They all pretty much speak English, and its really really close.
lol?
plz tell me that was a joke

also

ron paul wants to completely unmake modern society
modern society is the best thing that has ever happened to me
therefore
**** ron paul

[Smokey D]

Seriously, I don't mind Ron Paul. I think he's dead on about foreign policy. But I can't get behind his robber baron capitalism, and I don't think he has a hope in hell at the presidency. I feel bad for him when the other candidates cut him off and attack him at debates, just because he has something different to say, which runs contrary to their beliefs.

Ron Paul has a terrible foreign policy too since he wants to destroy the UN and remove the US from all of America's international obligations (re destroy the prevailing world order and **** things up for everyone else).

[Iskandar]

Ron Paul has a terrible foreign policy too since he wants to destroy the UN and remove the US from all of America's international obligations (re destroy the prevailing world order and **** things up for everyone else).I meant more on stuff like ending the War on Terror.

[Smokey D]

So one minor aspect of his platform is sort of acceptable.

Neat.

[Iskandar]

So one minor aspect of his platform is sort of acceptable.

Neat.Never said I supported the guy.

[Smokey D]

It' just pisses me off that because Ron Paul has some vaguely okay ideas about how the US should extricate itself from the Middle East, people think his other positions are bearable. Paul has the attitude of a Congressman from the 1930s.

[Hababi]

It' just pisses me off that because Ron Paul has some vaguely okay ideas about how the US should extricate itself from the Middle East, people think his other positions are bearable. Paul has the attitude of a Congressman from the 1930s.

The idea of abandoning our allies isn't ok...

[Smokey D]

My other problem with Paul is that he'd no doubt in be such a hurry to pull out of world affairs, especially in the Middle East, he'd **** things up more than staying. However, an exit strategy is important.

[Hababi]

My other problem with Paul is that he'd no doubt in be such a hurry to pull out of world affairs, especially in the Middle East, he'd **** things up more than staying. However, an exit strategy is important.

victory is the best exit strategy ;)

But seriously, I think that asking for an exit strategy is the wrong question. We need to get the job done, and we ought to be there until we do.

[beso negro]

um ron paul has many other awesome positions. his stance on health care and mandatory immunization is what got me on his side. plus he is against NAIS and of course federal income taxes.

[Against Miik!]

The job has changed a few times since 9/11 though. At some point, enough is enough.

[Hababi]

um ron paul has many other awesome positions. his stance on health care


"health care should be reserved for those who can pay for it" :\

[Smokey D]

At some point there will come a time when victory is an unrealistic expectation and the continued presence of American troops is more destabilising than beneficial. However, the success of the surge might mean this no longer is a major concern for the near future.

The main problem is that even if the US is successful in building a stable and hopefully democratic Iraq, it's still going to be dominated by hostile factions who are opposed to democracy. It'd only take a crisis of confidence for the whole enterprise to fall over even after 'victory'.

[Hababi]

At some point there will come a time when victory is an unrealistic expectation and the continued presence of American troops is more destabilising than beneficial. However, the success of the surge might mean this no longer is a major concern for the near future.

The main problem is that even if the US is successful in building a stable and hopefully democratic Iraq, it's still going to be dominated by hostile factions who are opposed to democracy. It'd only take a crisis of confidence for the whole enterprise to fall over even after 'victory'.

You're right that it will be tenuous, but it's looking a lot better now.

[Iskandar]

It' just pisses me off that because Ron Paul has some vaguely okay ideas about how the US should extricate itself from the Middle East, people think his other positions are bearable. Paul has the attitude of a Congressman from the 1930s.Of course he's a total reactionary. Libertarians in general are, though they'll never admit it.

[Rams]

Every thread here turns into a "Why Ron Paul is the best/worst" discussion regardless of original topic.

[Hababi]

Ron Paul is the worst

[dei]

Ron Paul is the worst

OMG, we agree on something.

:)

[Iskandar]

There are far worse politicians in America than Ron Paul.

Paleoconservatives. omg

[Hababi]

There are far worse politicians in America than Ron Paul.

Paleoconservatives. omg

paleoconservatives and Ron Paul supporters (and left wing blogonuts) often share a common irrational and bigoted hatred of Israel.

[Mr. Ron]

victory is the best exit strategy ;)

But seriously, I think that asking for an exit strategy is the wrong question. We need to get the job done, and we ought to be there until we do.
in the middle east? Sorry, but that won't happen.

[Hababi]

in the middle east? Sorry, but that won't happen.

People said the surge wouldn't work, but it has.

[Mr. Ron]

People said the surge wouldn't work, but it has.

hardly victory

[Hababi]

hardly victory

Victory is the end result of progresses. We are making progress, where the doubters said we wouldn't.

[Mr. Ron]

Victory is the end result of progresses. We are making progress, where the doubters said we wouldn't.

Its not like a little bit of progress is going to make the whole middle east forget about our long interventionalist history there. So.

[Hababi]

Its not like a little bit of progress is going to make the whole middle east forget about our long interventionalist history there. So.

The progress in Iraq has hardly been only a little bit. The most significant aspect is the widespread rejection of Al Quada by Sunni Muslims there. Al Quada is defeating itself and ensuring that its recruitment will be hurt in the long run.

[guitrguy]

That great for the situation in Iraq, but as Ron said, how does the help repair our interventionist image?

[Iskandar]

Al-Qaida*

[Hababi]

That great for the situation in Iraq, but as Ron said, how does the help repair our interventionist image?

That's not the most pressing issue.

[ringworm]

However, an exit strategy is important.
victory is the best exit strategy ;)

But seriously, I think that asking for an exit strategy is the wrong question. We need to get the job done, and we ought to be there until we do.


people want exit strategies so we wont leave behind a mess of people that want to harm us in the future

if we stay any longer or try to help, they'll just use our money to make it happen faster :)

so any strategy is a bad strategy, lets just leave
"health care should be reserved for those who can pay for it" :\
lol, i have seen my costs rise over the past 10-15 years, I hate to think what it will cost when the gvnt says its FREE :)

[guitrguy]

That's not the most pressing issue.

The source of the problem is definitely no the most pressing issue. Do you ever argue on point?

[Smokey D]

The progress in Iraq has hardly been only a little bit. The most significant aspect is the widespread rejection of Al Quada by Sunni Muslims there. Al Quada is defeating itself and ensuring that its recruitment will be hurt in the long run.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq was never the main player.

[Hababi]

The source of the problem is definitely no the most pressing issue. Do you ever argue on point?
The source of the problem is long standing ethnic and religious tensions in Iraq.

Al-Qaeda in Iraq was never the main player.

AQiI became the main source of terrorist attacks after the first few years. They weren't the main player because they're part of the Sunni minority, but they were causing the most bloodshed.

[Smokey D]

But it's the other factions who control whether Iraq ends up in the crazy end of hte spectrum or not.

[McP3000]

Iraq will end up on the crazy end no matter what happens

i dont know why we bother

[ringworm]

because teh voters can still be convinced victory is attainable!!! :)