Apple unveils Macbook Air. Millions die from oversized erections [Archive]

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 02:37 PM

I mean, c'mon guys, really? Just because someone sticks an Apple logo on a product and Steve Jobs touches it doesn't make it the greatest product ever to exist. But thats the feeling I get with Apple. They release the new Macbook Air at Macworld 2008 (which is probably the most homoerotic event EVER, right behind gay pride marches), and people are like OMG its a laptop and it has a hip name and buy buy buy!

Well, quite honestly, its not like the most innovative thing in the world. It a slimmer laptop. Like wow, as if that isn't the overall trend with just about every electronic device made by any company. This is all Apple does. They take preexisting technology that somebody worked really hard to create, stick a lower case i in front of it, and sell 10 billion more than anybody else could. Its a fricken cult. The iPod, the iPhone, now this? All these things already existed before Apple got a hold of them, just so everybody know. They just weren't hip and cool and necessary before that.

O, and another thing. There is one technology that Apple seemingly has not figured out yet. Its probably the most important thing, since it has to do with the device operating at all. WILL YOU PLEASE RELEASE ON PRODUCT WITH A USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY!!! I mean, I've never heard of a laptop that you couldn't just go to the store and buy a battery for. Case and point why Apple can suck it. I had to get a new wireless card for my laptop. Went to Best Buy, got a top of the line Wireless-G card, 60$, no problem. My friend has a Macbook. He needed a new wireless card. He had the extreme pleasure of sending his laptop back to Apple so they could give him a new one all for the low low price of 300$.

Give me a break.

edit: heres a nice little quote from an article about this P.O.S.

The computer is all green: bromide and PVR free, packaging is 56% smaller and mercury and arsenic-free glass.

Amazingly enough, it's only $1,799.

I don't even need to say anything. Its just kind of a parody of itself.

Livewire

01-15-2008, 02:40 PM

That's the point, they want to make more money than they already do by making the battery impossible to change yourself. mac's are really overpriced in my opinion, and seems to be more of a fashion statement, expecially the iphone. the airbook looks impressive. i have to admit mac is impressive with their products, but seriously they have to cut the prices down.

edit: Not to mention they're super fragile and a warranty is a must

Der Übermensch

01-15-2008, 02:41 PM

I have a Macbook Pro, and it has a replaceable battery... what are you talking about? (Unless you mean the iPod, iPhone and such).

That being said, I would NEVER buy that piece of ****. The optical drive has to be gotten separately and hooked up through, USB, of which I hear there is only one port. I don't know what demographic Jobs is looking to sell this too, but it ain't me. I burn disks on a regular basis, and play games that require the disk. Right now I have 3 USB and 2 Firewire ports in use, and STILL need to unplug something if I want to connect my camera or iPod. That computer is ONLY for people who are constantly on the go, and need something transportable, and have little use of peripherals.

DBoons Ghost

01-15-2008, 02:44 PM

We are closely following this at work.

I dunno. What Mac is trying to do to the industry reminds me of what Compaq tried to do in the 90s by forcing people to rely on them for replacement parts and continued maintenence.

I am buying an Octa-core and it will be a little over 3k when I'm done with it. Once Best Buy can guarentee delivery.

Luc214

01-15-2008, 02:45 PM

It looks really hot tbh, I want one lol.

I can't see how I would need to use it for anything besides writing stuff and internet use, I'd have my desktop for the rest of the stuff, although it's strange there would be no optical.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 02:45 PM

O believe me, I get the point of why they do it. What I don't get is why drones of hipsters continue to buy up everything these people got when their products are just not that superior. The only product I give a thumbs up to is the iPod. I don't own one, but its one of the best MP3 players out there. This is only because they have a monopoly for that market and nobody else feels the need to try and compete.

The iPhone looks nice, but it doesn't do things my 3 year old phone does. All eye candy, no substance.

And there computers are just moronic. 1800$!!! I bought my laptop used for 200$. Made a few cheep upgrades myself (which I can do, mac owners can't), and now I'm pretty much where everybody else is. So what if I can't stick the whole thing up my ***. Not like mac owners do anything else with there computers.

Kif

01-15-2008, 02:46 PM

That's funny, I can take the battery out of my MBP quite easily.

Any pics of the Air though? I'm not getting one, but it sounds pretty sweet.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 02:50 PM

The Macbook Air does not have a replaceable battery and neither do any of their other products. If you Pro does have one, then I'm happy for you.

http://gizmodo.com/345051/apple-macbook-air-looks-absolutely-amazing

Heres a few pics. To bad the authors erection stabbed him in the eye and killed him

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 02:57 PM

Your jokes are shitty.

Kif

01-15-2008, 02:58 PM

Yeah I changed my mind. The keyboard looks like the new ones with the iMacs, which are horrible. Looks like a toy keyboard. And it's shaped weirdly, like curved underneath. Doesn't look like it will be good on a flat surface like a table or desk.

I'll still with my Macbook Pro kthx Steve.

P.S. What's so bad about the iPod and iPhone? I kind of get the iPod deal, since other MP3 players do more. But seriously, it's supposed to play MP3s, and it does that ridiculously well now. Plus they are just simple to use. No extra bs. I had a Creative Zen that constantly crashed and had to be replaced twice. I haven't had to replace my iPod Nano 2G at all.

Also, the iPhone is very good if you jailbreak it. Plus updates are coming to provide features that admittedly it should have had at launch. Video recording, MMS, expanded iPod support and crap like that. Mine is jailbroken and has an app for MMS anyway. Seriously, the third-party support for the iPhone is gonna be huge in 2008

Der Übermensch

01-15-2008, 03:01 PM

The Macbook Air does not have a replaceable battery and neither do any of their other products. If you Pro does have one, then I'm happy for you.
All Macbooks (EXCEPT for the Air) do, to my knowledge, have user replaceable batteries. (I have a 17" Pro, and my roommate has a 13" Macbook. Both do, and they are the two extreme ends of what is available). So how about you do your research before making a fool of yourself.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 03:02 PM

I admitted the iPod is decent, but only because it has no competition.

Everything else is just not very user friendly. Besides the issues you mentioned, am I right when I say that the iPhone doesn't even have expandable memory? Thats what I mean about this basic stuff that nobody seems to care about because you can touch the screen and it moves ands its neato.

Your jokes are poopty.

:(

All Macbooks (EXCEPT for the Air) do, to my knowledge, have user replaceable batteries. (I have a 17" Pro, and my roommate has a 13" Macbook. Both do, and they are the two extreme ends of what is available). So how about you do your research before making a fool of yourself.

There was no lack of research, just a misunderstanding. I've used Macbooks before and I know what they do and don't do. In my own head I kind of set the Macbook aside, simply because its just a basic product. No hype, no release party. It's just Mac's laptop. What I am pissed about is all this fanfare over products like the iPod, iPhone, and Macbook Air that don't have basic things like replaceable batteries, so thats why I said what I said.

Livewire

01-15-2008, 03:03 PM

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:05 PM

This is all Apple does. They take preexisting technology that somebody worked really hard to create, stick a lower case i in front of it, and sell 10 billion more than anybody else could
Because it's not like Apple have ever innovated right?

And did you just say Apple products aren't user friendly?

Of course they're overpriced. That's why you only buy them if you have the money.

Luc214

01-15-2008, 03:08 PM

Ooh, the Air has an optional SSD instead of a HDD.

For another $1000. :lol:

But still, since most people who would buy this want ultimate portability, that could very well be worth it.

Kif

01-15-2008, 03:10 PM

I admitted the iPod is decent, but only because it has no competition.

Everything else is just not very user friendly. Besides the issues you mentioned, am I right when I say that the iPhone doesn't even have expandable memory? Thats what I mean about this basic stuff that nobody seems to care about because you can touch the screen and it moves ands its neato.

:(
Wait the iPod doesn't have competition? So all the other MP3 players other companies have made are just lies?

Nobody cares about it because the average person who buys an iPhone probably doesn't even know what expandable memory is. Personally I like the 8GB. It's why I had a Nano and not a regular 60GB iPod. It forces me to put crap on there I actually listen to instead of filling it with stuff I skip when I put it on random, which is exactly what happened with my old 30GB Creative Zen.

Guess I'm in the minority since I like Apple. Not in a fanboyish erection way, in a "Oh that's kinda cool" way.

Plus I have a PC as well so it's all good :D

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:11 PM

Exactly. You spend the money if you have it. It would be like buying an OLED TV when they first drop. You're lacking in features and you're paying above premium. But the technology and design is introduced for those who are willing to spend the money, and it gets accumulated over time.

I don't know why you're so insanely shocked over this.

Guess I'm in the minority since I like Apple. Not in a fanboyish erection way, in a "Oh that's kinda cool" way.

No I'm the same way. I used Macs until the 6th grade, then I stuck with PCs for a while. Typing this on a Macbook, but I use a PC at home.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 03:13 PM

It is shocking. Apple releases a aesthetically pleasing but subpar product like the iPhone and people can't shut up about how good it is. Microsoft releases a crappy operating system in Vista, which will probably get better, and people can shut up about how bad it is. I'm not talking about ALLLL Apple fans. Most, however, are just really really shallow.

Because it's not like Apple have ever innovated right?

If my innovation you mean release products in different colors and have icons that bounce around on your desktop, then yeah, innovation all the way

And did you just say Apple products aren't user friendly?

Well, yeah, I should probably rethink that. They are really user friendly, until something goes wrong. But then I remember that nothing ever goes wrong with Apple products since they run off a combination of kryptonite and Sperm de Jobs. O, and of course, "They Just Work",

Of course they're overpriced. That's why you only buy them if you have the money.

Well now that just doesn't make any sense. If they released a better product for more money, then I would understand. Thats the point. But Apple releases, computers specifically, that are just as good as 800$ PC equivalents.

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:18 PM

If my innovation you mean release products in different colors and have icons that bounce around on your desktop, then yeah, innovation all the way
I don't know why I'm even bothering with someone so openly ignorant and biased.

They are really user friendly, until something goes wrong. But then I remember that nothing ever goes wrong with Apple products since they run off a combination of kryptonite and Sperm de Jobs. O, and of course, "They Just Work",

Yet again: your jokes suck, and you're ignorant.

The fact is, Apple's OSs really do rarely fail. They dont release them until they're ready. And they are user friendly. And when the hardware fails, Apple stores are relatively efficient in repairing them. I fail to see what you're getting at, since you've probably never owned an Apple product and a

Well now that just doesn't make any sense. If they released a better product for more money, then I would understand. Thats the point. But Apple releases, computers specifically, that are just as good as 800$ PC equivalents.
That's not true at all. There's a mark-up, but it's not that extreme. And you really can't compare a barebones, software free PC with meticulous set-up and faulty operating systems to the convenience of an Apple. You're paying for the convenience, and yeah, the name as well.

Luc214

01-15-2008, 03:25 PM

I guess it's like, if people like Mac OS X, why not just buy a decent PC and install Mac OS X on it.

It'll be cheaper.

Kif

01-15-2008, 03:28 PM

Woah there, I wouldn't say that. Leopard has crashed maybe 3 times since I got it, and apps have a tendency to crash sometimes too. Bear in mind I have 2GB of RAM in my MacBook Pro too.

Also, Apple's customer service is the goddamn worse. Remember those batteries inside the MacBook Pros that blew up and overheated. I had one of those. It MELTED the power pack cable, literally just melted it off. Then after a few weeks of calling Apple, complaining, getting nowhere, complaining, calling and asking for higher ups, complaining and eventually sending the battery to them and waiting for a new one, I got a new battery pack which didn't explode, some stickers and a cheap laptop case.

Oh, and the latch on my MacBook Pro is broken, so now it doesn't close. But I'm not bothering with Apple again. Their customer service is just atrocious, so I'll just keep it like it is.

Mr. Ron

01-15-2008, 03:28 PM

Yyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 03:28 PM

Yeah, here we go again

I don't know why I'm even bothering with someone so openly ignorant and biased.

I call them like I see them.

Yet again: your jokes suck, and you're ignorant.

The fact is, Apple's OSs really do rarely fail. They dont release them until they're ready. And they are user friendly. And when the hardware fails, Apple stores are relatively efficient in repairing them. I fail to see what you're getting at, since you've probably never owned an Apple product and a

Lets take Vista out of the equation because it actually does suck.

XP rarely fails too, unless you are a dumbshit who looks up porn all day and opens every email you receive and just overall doesn't know how to maintain an expensive piece of hardware. And when the operating system does fail, I am relatively efficient in repairing it, except more so because its free. And I have this HUGE selection of reasonably priced hardware from any brand I want at this amazing new place called Best Buy. Its simply amazing. Thats the real story.

That's not true at all. There's a mark-up, but it's not that extreme. And you really can't compare a barebones, software free PC with meticulous set-up and faulty operating systems to the convenience of an Apple. You're paying for the convenience, and yeah, the name as well.

PC setups should take maybe a half hour unless you are Helen Keller. But you are right. Apple does come with a lot of cool stuff. I can't even remember how many times I've been sitting at my PC and wishing it had proper software to make a movie or album before the day is over. Then I really want to get an Apple. Then I remember that all those programs that I won't use would cost me an extra thousand dollars. Then I remember I can get all sorts of programs like that for my PC for a reasonable price. Then I just explode.

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:29 PM

I guess it's like, if people like Mac OS X, why not just buy a decent PC and install Mac OS X on it.

It'll be cheaper.

But it won't run properly.

XP rarely fails too
And it took how long to get stable? 5 years last time I checked.

What are you arguing? You hate that it comes with a name (which I agree with) and that you're paying for convenience and your main point is you dont want to pay for the convenience. So don't.

Luc214

01-15-2008, 03:31 PM

But it won't run properly.

It won't?

That's odd, I assumed since a lot of mac users are starting to dual boot Vista and OS X that it would work the other way around.

Kif

01-15-2008, 03:33 PM

People have made hacked versions of OS X to install on PCs, put the system configs have to be pretty exact to the hacked versions, and a lot of things don't work on many of them.

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:35 PM

That's odd, I assumed since a lot of mac users are starting to dual boot Vista and OS X that it would work the other way around.
Nope. Emulation Mac to Windows works excellently. Not so much the other way around.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 03:39 PM

What are you arguing? You hate that it comes with a name (which I agree with) and that you're paying for convenience and your main point is you dont want to pay for the convenience. So don't.

My main point is that I ****ing hate Steve Jobs and anybody who even somewhat likes him as a human being. I wish he never existed. I wish Bill Gates took a socket wrench to his head when they were younger, and that way he could roll around like Steven Hawking and maybe we could rename all of space and put little i's in front of everything. I'd be in school and I'd be a like the iBig Bang is way better than any other theory and my teach would be like o rly why is that and I'd be like because it automatically syncs to my iSolar System and my iBlack Hole, so now I have more hands to finger my iAss with.

Yeah, that would totally happen.

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:44 PM

My main point is that I ****ing hate Steve Jobs and anybody who even somewhat likes him as a human being. I wish he never existed. I wish Bill Gates took a socket wrench to his head when they were younger, and that way he could roll around like Steven Hawking and maybe we could rename all of space and put little i's in front of everything. I'd be in school and I'd be a like the iBig Bang is way better than any other theory and my teach would be like o rly why is that and I'd be like because it automatically syncs to my iSolar System and my iBlack Hole, so now I have more hands to finger my iAss with.

Yeah, that would totally happen.

Grow up.

Der Übermensch

01-15-2008, 03:45 PM

If my innovation you mean release products in different colors and have icons that bounce around on your desktop, then yeah, innovation all the way
I dunno... I making computer GUI the standard was mildly innovative...

Of course, maybe you are using MS-DOS, in which case I admit defeat.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 03:51 PM

Ancient history. Thats like calling George Bush a good president because he won a spelling bee in 4 grade, although he probably didn't

Grow up.

ok. iGrow up

Pluperfect_Arson

01-15-2008, 03:52 PM

Goddamn, that Macbook Air is ugly.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 03:53 PM

Anyways, new topic. How about those poor people who had to die with mega raging huge boners?

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 03:54 PM

Ancient history. Thats like calling George Bush a good president because he won a spelling bee in 4 grade, although he probably didn't

ok. iGrow up

No, seriously, grow up.

You hate Apple for reasons you make up. You hate Steve Jobs because he's an excellent business person. Get a real cause, get a real argument: grow up.

Implementing the GUI, ancient history or not, was more significant an innovation than anything I can think of Windows doing. Seeing as how Windows more or less rode Mac's coattails, I repeat: get a real argument.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 04:32 PM

Well, Coke, you are right, sort of. My major gripe with Apple, lets say computers specifically, is not the physical product, although I do dislike Mac OS. It's just counter intuitive, I don't know where to find anything, and I like more customization options. But that isn't the point.

My main gripe with Apple is the Apple culture. I'm pissed that I am even able to call it a culture. It's a God damn electronics company, but the way people talk about Apple, you would think they are revolutionizing the way we live our everyday lives. That wouldn't be soooo bad, except it seems to me that they (Apple), and every Apple fanboy really wants you to think this.

I hate that they fool people into thinking they are buying an exponentially better product, by charging so much more and by using slogans like, "it just works". Among people I know, which is a lot, about half are Mac users and half PC (college campus obviously). There have been just as many problems with Macs as PC's, so as far as I can observe, this claim is just not true.

What is true, as far as I can observe, is as far as level of intelligence goes

PC user>Mac user

And I know why it is. It's because Mac users are shallow followers you buy a computer as a fashion statement. That, is pretty much the definition of stupidity.

Like, there is just so much more that I can't even manifest into words. I can't come up with like concrete numbers because again, its not like their is a HUGE difference between Mac OS and Windows. They both do essentially the same thing, just one costs less. All I can do is vent the emotions I feel when I see one of those stupid iPod commercials, or some hipster faggot with his torn up jeans and aviator sun glasses walk into an Apple Store, as if to say to the world, "Hey world, look at me." Thats it really, he'd just be saying look at me. I find Apple fans are the epitome of narcissism. They define conformity to non conformity.

Alfyy

01-15-2008, 06:20 PM

lolmac

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 06:23 PM

It's just counter intuitive, I don't know where to find anything, and I like more customization options. But that isn't the point.
You can't find anything because you're used to having to look. It's right there, trust me. Counter-intuitive doesn't mean anything, stop making up terms.

What is true, as far as I can observe, is as far as level of intelligence goes

PC user>Mac user

That's a horribly offensive statement.

I find Apple fans are the epitome of narcissism.
You aren't being narcissistic at all.

Stereotyping Mac users as "hipster faggots" is the same as someone stereotyping PC users as basement dwelling virgins.

planewreck

01-15-2008, 06:29 PM

I've been using my eMac for seven years and have had my iPod for three.

I'll probably upgrade because of space soon but all this hate for Macs come from the hate for people that buy into the propaganda consistently. Who cares if they're pulling out new ****? Just don't buy it. If it were anyone but Apple, we'd be having this exact same argument.

bradc1988

01-15-2008, 06:33 PM

PC users as basement dwelling virgins

I don't have a basement :(

AA-12

01-15-2008, 06:44 PM

This thing looks awesome. I'd probably look into it if I didn't already have a MacBook Pro.

By the way, the Mac hate on these forums is ****ing hilarious.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 07:15 PM

You can't find anything because you're used to having to look. It's right there, trust me. Counter-intuitive doesn't mean anything, stop making up terms.

I'm pretty sure counterintuitive is a word. It's in the dictionary and everything.

You aren't being narcissistic at all.

Stereotyping Mac users as "hipster large bundle of stickss" is the same as someone stereotyping PC users as basement dwelling virgins.

Ummm no its not because Mac prides itself on being the choice of hipster large bundle of sticks everywhere. Have you seen an iPod ad before? If not, here is an extremely gay one that is pretty much a shout out to hipster large bundle of sticks:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PKxGfLo7Cqo

or how about the mac guy and his iMovie iPhoto iWeb

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DHbhma7tSHQ

/thread

Luc214

01-15-2008, 07:18 PM

The mac ads are gay, no one ever said they weren't.

PC users as basement dwelling virgins

Oh snap and I thought I was the only basement dwelling virgin out there.

.........................

Hot Darn!

01-15-2008, 07:21 PM

I've grown up with macs my entire life.
But not as a computer for the everyday person. My mom is a graphic artist and Macs are undeniably better for such purposes. I have used both Windows and Mac versions of photoshop, illustrator, etc and the Mac just has a much better interface for these kind of things. If you look at mac now, they still cater to the more creative programs. It comes with a film editor, a great photo viewer that vista basically copied from them, along with stuff like garage band etc.

Where am I going with this? I have never seen Macs as a computer for everyday uses. I think its better catered towards a specific market, and recently have only exploded into common use because of the Ipod. I have an iMac thats about a year old, and I love it. And unlike most people using macs now, I have used every program it came with, from the Video editor to Garage band to comic life. I feel that I have got my money's worth. I didn't get it because I thought it was trendy or cool to have, I got it because I like it and what it has to offer. The extra money was worth it to me because I actually used the programs

The mac air is honestly the stupidest thing I have ever seen released. No optical drive? No, thanks. The small size means nothing to me either. I don't get why all the Windows users hate on Mac users. Not all of us are trendy fan-boys. I got my mac because I like the operating system better than windows, and because it comes with many useful things. Saying that PC users are smarter than Mac users is just as stupid as arguing over which is better. In the end, its all personal preference.

And the stability thing? I haven't upgraded yet, but Mac OS X Tiger has never crashed on me.

Luc214

01-15-2008, 07:24 PM

I don't hate mac, and I'm a PC person.

Apple fanatics do tend to act superior because they believe those ridiculous Mac vs PC ads, but PC users also tend to act superior.

It goes both ways.

I like both Apple and Microsoft, and both OS's.

So stfu everyone.

Anglachel

01-15-2008, 07:25 PM

I always wondered where linux falls in these arguements

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 07:26 PM

Luc214

01-15-2008, 07:30 PM

Congratulations on being in what is probably 1% of people who use all the capabilities of the machine they paid for. If you actually do all that stuff, great. I'm not paying over a thousand dollars for Firefox, Microsoft Word, and a hard drive for music (which is probably all your average computer user does). Anybody who does is quite honestly, an idiot, which proves my point.

wtf are you serious?

I guess I'm an idiot, since at the end of February I'm building myself a PC from the ground up for about $2100.

AA-12

01-15-2008, 07:38 PM

Wow, just stop Miik. You're sounding like a total rampant idiot right now.

beans

01-15-2008, 08:13 PM

hes good at that

Hot Darn!

01-15-2008, 08:29 PM

Congratulations on being in what is probably 1% of people who use all the capabilities of the machine they paid for. If you actually do all that stuff, great. I'm not paying over a thousand dollars for Firefox, Microsoft Word, and a hard drive for music (which is probably all your average computer user does). Anybody who does is quite honestly, an idiot, which proves my point.

Wait that was my point? I was agreeing with you. Macs have become a trendy thing that people buy just to say they have a Mac or they think they look cool sitting in class with their white laptop and glowing apple sign. Most People don't make use of what they are good at.

mightygod

01-15-2008, 08:39 PM

TS reads to much maddox.

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 09:21 PM

wtf are you serious?

I guess I'm an idiot, since at the end of February I'm building myself a PC from the ground up for about $2100.

I hope you are planning on doing more than web browsing, typing, and storing music with that $2100 machine.

Wait that was my point? I was agreeing with you. Macs have become a trendy thing that people buy just to say they have a Mac or they think they look cool sitting in class with their white laptop and glowing apple sign. Most People don't make use of what they are good at.

Whoops. Yea sorry good point.

Cocaine

01-15-2008, 09:52 PM

You're embarrassing yourself.

Zakath

01-15-2008, 09:56 PM

Against Miik!

01-15-2008, 10:00 PM

How does that not make sense. I'm saying people should buy machines that suit their needs. Mac doesn't offer nearly as many options as all the PC brands. People buy Mac for the name, not for what they need, so they often overpay.

Luc214

01-15-2008, 10:36 PM

I hope you are planning on doing more than web browsing, typing, and storing music with that $2100 machine.

Obviously.

Ganondorf

01-16-2008, 05:00 AM

My main gripe with Apple is the Apple culture. I'm pissed that I am even able to call it a culture. It's a God damn electronics company, but the way people talk about Apple, you would think they are revolutionizing the way we live our everyday lives. That wouldn't be soooo bad, except it seems to me that they (Apple), and every Apple fanboy really wants you to think this.

:lol: get a life!

team_racket

01-16-2008, 05:12 AM

Price difference between the 80gb and 64gb models is horrific. Sealed in battery, no firewire and soldered in RAM also mean I'll pass. Looks utterly pointless, you could get a powerhouse of a machine for the price.

semi_

01-16-2008, 05:40 AM

But there was music, and then the iPod. There was a phone, then the iPhone. Apple does things in an intuitive, insightful way...
i lold at this but yeah otherwise
lol mac

Ephemeral

01-16-2008, 09:03 AM

This is honestly more of a proof of concept than anything else, I think.

JohnXDoe

01-16-2008, 09:24 AM

lolmac
maclol

JohnXDoe

01-16-2008, 09:25 AM

http://gizmodo.com/345051/apple-macbook-air-looks-absolutely-amazing

Heres a few pics. To bad the authors erection stabbed him in the eye and killed him
o look a skinny overpriced DVD player sign me up

pulseczar

01-16-2008, 09:31 AM

Amazingly enough, it's only $1,799.

team_racket

01-16-2008, 09:33 AM

The MacBook Air is all "green": bromide and PVR free, packaging is 56% smaller and mercury and arsenic-free glass. Looks like Al Gore will be getting one to fly in his private jet.

JohnXDoe

01-16-2008, 09:34 AM

holy crap i saw the news this morn and they said it DOWNLOADS MOVIES FOR ONLY $3-$5 a pop from the new APPLE MOVIE thingamajiggy and you can view them for 24 HOURS

wave of the future they said...

...tomorrows innovation.....TODAY!

Livewire

01-16-2008, 09:54 AM

I am so not getting one!

:)

Der Übermensch

01-16-2008, 09:57 AM

Whoops. Yea sorry good point.

Heh, a good point, in that it proves if you see the word "Mac" in a sentence, you automaticly launch a rant regardless of the content present!

How does that not make sense. I'm saying people should buy machines that suit their needs. Mac doesn't offer nearly as many options as all the PC brands. People buy Mac for the name, not for what they need, so they often overpay
I buy Mac for quality. I've owned Macs since when I first had a computer, and my family since when we first had one, period.
Sure, there are some really really great PC's out there. But you know what? If you want one that is built with the same reliability/durability as a Mac, you will need to spend just as much! A piece of crap Dell may be able to, over all "suit my needs" as well as an iMac, but with an iMac, I know I have something that will last. We have NEVER had a Mac fail on us. The closest thing to it was when a cup of coffee got in the LC III's motherboard, and an hour with a hairdryer fixed that fine.
I'm willing to put in the extra buck for that piece of mind.

JohnXDoe

01-16-2008, 10:12 AM

^ that may be true to some extent, but pc's really are cheap and reliable these days, no doubt.

when it comes to complete failure of a home pc, that is somewhat rare today. and when upgrades / parts are needed, its just real simple.

i've owned nothing but Dell's, as has my family. never have had a problem. i mean its not like they make the parts, they simply assemble them. Windows, the mobo, HD, drives, processor, EVERYTHING comes from somewhere else.

yes, i have samsung drives in mine (not bad), RAM made by hyundai electronics, etc. but i also have a solid PS, a seagate HD, and a solid mobo. corners don't appear to be cut, its powerful, and if i want to change the processor to the vid card to the OS, i can do it myself with no trouble. nothing to it at all.

in all honesty wtf can fail? i've never had hardware fail from a Dell i've owned. or one my family has owned.according to consumer reports magazine mac does edge out pc in reliability, but just barely all things being equal. and whereas mac used to have more powerful pc's (first with a mainstream quadcore, i believe) that too has changed.

i really don't see the advantage anymore. especially when most software is designed for Windows. for mainstream computer users looking for value and performance pc would seem to have the advantage atm.

mightygod

01-16-2008, 03:50 PM

i really don't see the advantage anymore. especially when most software is designed for Windows. for mainstream computer users looking for value and performance pc would seem to have the advantage atm.

they are for more specialized applications, like audio recording, they got programs that lets you plug hardware on the firewire and boom you are working. Design programs also run smoother.

IDEA

01-16-2008, 04:04 PM

Cool, another Apple product I'm not going to buy.

irishslappop

01-16-2008, 04:54 PM

IT CAN DOWNLOAD MOVIES!?!?!?

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Against Miik!

01-16-2008, 04:55 PM

You can. But only for one day. And for 5$.

Kif

01-16-2008, 05:02 PM

30 days*

Against Miik!

01-16-2008, 05:04 PM

Oic. JXD said 24 hours, but I haven't looked into it. I like my free movies that I can keep.

Illmatic

01-16-2008, 05:04 PM

Well, Coke, you are right, sort of. My major gripe with Apple, lets say computers specifically, is not the physical product, although I do dislike Mac OS. It's just counter intuitive, I don't know where to find anything, and I like more customization options. But that isn't the point.

My main gripe with Apple is the Apple culture. I'm pissed that I am even able to call it a culture. It's a God damn electronics company, but the way people talk about Apple, you would think they are revolutionizing the way we live our everyday lives. That wouldn't be soooo bad, except it seems to me that they (Apple), and every Apple fanboy really wants you to think this.

I hate that they fool people into thinking they are buying an exponentially better product, by charging so much more and by using slogans like, "it just works". Among people I know, which is a lot, about half are Mac users and half PC (college campus obviously). There have been just as many problems with Macs as PC's, so as far as I can observe, this claim is just not true.

What is true, as far as I can observe, is as far as level of intelligence goes

PC user>Mac user

And I know why it is. It's because Mac users are shallow followers you buy a computer as a fashion statement. That, is pretty much the definition of stupidity.

Like, there is just so much more that I can't even manifest into words. I can't come up with like concrete numbers because again, its not like their is a HUGE difference between Mac OS and Windows. They both do essentially the same thing, just one costs less. All I can do is vent the emotions I feel when I see one of those stupid iPod commercials, or some hipster large bundle of sticks with his torn up jeans and aviator sun glasses walk into an Apple Store, as if to say to the world, "Hey world, look at me." Thats it really, he'd just be saying look at me. I find Apple fans are the epitome of narcissism. They define conformity to non conformity.

Apple targets people who don't know or care a lot about computers and people who use their computers for video/music editing and graphic design (as someone else has said). these are large markets. it's made them successful. deal with it.

you'd think that a Ron Paul fan would accept what the free market has decided and not ****ing bitch about unimportant stuff but I guess the world's full of surprises.

Against Miik!

01-16-2008, 05:10 PM

First off, there isn't really that big a gap between the capabilities of PC's and Mac as far as video/music editing and graphic design. It's just that mac is 'hip', and most of these people are 'hip'. That isn't really a large market. There is a world outside of the forums. That is a niche market. Most people who buy Macs don't do any of these extensively, but they are paying it. It's like buying a Corvette to drive in gridlock around New York City. It looks nice when people see you with it, but you aren't getting anywhere faster than they guy with the Pinto right next you.

And don't bring Ron into this.

Cocaine

01-16-2008, 05:13 PM

First off, there isn't really that big a gap between the capabilities of PC's and Mac as far as video/music editing and graphic design.
Yes there is.

That isn't really a large market.
Yes it is.

Against Miik!

01-16-2008, 05:39 PM

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-1.html?tag=lnav

Apple prides itself on its products' audiovisual capabilities (remember the "digital lifestyle hub"?). But the MacBook Pro includes the bare minimum of A/V features: a microphone and some pretty good speakers, DVI and VGA signal connections (the latter via an included adapter), one four-pin FireWire port, and only two USB 2.0 ports for connecting to external peripherals, such as a camera or a mouse. The TravelMate 8200 easily trumps the MacBook Pro with all of that plus an S-Video output, S/PDIF, and two additional USB 2.0 ports. And while both laptops include a built-in Webcam above their displays, the TravelMate 8200's camera can rotate 225 degrees, letting you snap shots in front of, above, or behind the laptop. Advantage: Acer.

If you have lots of MP3s or digital video, storage capacity matters, and the TravelMate 8200 provides an extra 20GB of storage space compared to our MacBook Pro test configuration. (It costs an additional $100 to upgrade the Apple's hard drive to match the Acer's.) While both laptops are equipped with DVD burners and ExpressCard slots, the TravelMate 8200 accommodates some additional critical expansion features, including a more traditional Type II PC Card slot, a smart card reader, and a 5-in-1 flash media card reader that recognizes MultiMediaCard, Secure Digital, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, and xD formats. Advantage: Acer.

By winning four out of eight rounds (one was a draw), the Acer TravelMate 8200 manages a slim victory in this close contest.

The Acer pulled ahead with ample features and superior performance and battery life, then sealed the deal with its lower sticker price. If you're looking for the most connectivity and fastest performance for your dollar, the TravelMate 8200 is the laptop to buy.

The MacBook Pro's strengths clearly lie in aesthetics, from its lightweight, eye-pleasing design to its graphics-friendly display to its elegant operating system. And Apple's superior software package could be said to offset the price differential between the MacBook Pro and the TravelMate 8200. But in this fight at least, the MacBook Pro couldn't deliver a knockout performance.

PC's and Macs do basically the same thing, except one company tricks its customers into believing it does more than it actually does and costs more money.

again

/thread

Cocaine

01-16-2008, 05:46 PM

You can't say /thread when you cant decide on an opinion, let alone justify one.

I grew up with a father deeply involved in the print and graphic industry. The only PCs they use are servers and secretarial and it's been like that since I've been alive.

AA-12

01-16-2008, 05:52 PM

This is one of the best threads i've ever seen. I'm convinced Miik is a gimmick now.

Against Miik!

01-16-2008, 05:52 PM

I have lots of opinions, but none of them really contradict each other. And its not like I completely changed my mind.

Macs used to be far superior to PC's in the graphics department. That is no longer the case, but if graphics people have been using Macs since the time when they were exponentially better, why would they change now if they are just comparable? So of course they still use Macs, and probably always will, which will forever perpetuate the idea that Macs are just better for those kinds of things, whether or not it is really the truth.

ZapatoDiablo

01-16-2008, 05:53 PM

Against Miik!

01-16-2008, 05:58 PM

Thats the only thing I will admit, that Logic is a really nice program, and probably the best home recording program on the market. All that means though is that Apple is lucky enough to own the company that makes Logic.

JohnXDoe

01-16-2008, 08:19 PM

I can't speak for print/graphics but for music there's no reason why PC's can't do everything that Macs do in recording studios. Macs got the head start for whatever reason, but at this point in both systems' evolution there isn't really a huge advantage to either, besides that fact that Logic only runs on macs.
this is true.

i know people who work in the industry (entertainment). they use mac / apple because as Cocaine said, thats what they have always used. in his dad's line of expertise, too.

the reason they go on using them is for that reason. the market is built in, the software / programs are compatible with whoever they are working with (because they all use macs) and so it all works out.

macs got a head start because as someone else said they made this stuff simpler for the professional working in these fields. and they used more powerful processors. you paid out the butt, but when time and efficiency equals money you can't have nubs trying to figure out a pc when macs made it simpler and faster.

apple also provides customer service above and beyond what any pc maker provides. because its all in house, they can do that. yup, you pay for it all when you get a mac.

however....if i'm not mistaken mac uses intel processors now. have for awhile. this alone says it can't be much different then pc so far as performance. and everything else is just, well, hardware says mac IS a pc. just because it has a different OS doesn't mean its not a pc. hell they like to promote them like they are more a "personal computer" then even a pc. and if you believe the ads pc's are slow, cumbersome, and complicated (the fat guy ads) and macs lean, efficient, and user friendly.

truth is both of them are pretty much the same. but pc IS compatible with more software, games, hardware, the list goes on. and is more user friendly in the sense it provides more upgrade paths for the end user. mac users don't care about any of that, and it seems (puzzling enough) they don't mind, either.

if you're a professional who needs to be in step with others who use macs in your field, mac makes perfect sense. for the regular home user because of price, performance, and compatibility i'd recommend a Windows based machine 9 outta 10 times...

they're just more fun :)

McP3000

01-16-2008, 09:01 PM

jxd wins my heart

lolmac

Oriah

01-16-2008, 09:05 PM

"Oh hey you dropped your pen!", thanks, but thats not my pen, its my Apple notebook!

Anglachel

01-16-2008, 09:10 PM

making things smaller really doesnt make it better

Der Übermensch

01-16-2008, 09:21 PM

Apple prides itself on its products' audiovisual capabilities (remember the "digital lifestyle hub"?). But the MacBook Pro includes the bare minimum of A/V features: a microphone and some pretty good speakers, DVI and VGA signal connections (the latter via an included adapter), one four-pin FireWire port, and only two USB 2.0 ports for connecting to external peripherals, such as a camera or a mouse. The TravelMate 8200 easily trumps the MacBook Pro with all of that plus an S-Video output, S/PDIF, and two additional USB 2.0 ports.
I dunno your source, but my Macbook Pro has 3 USB ports, a Firewire 400 AND a Firewire 800...

Kif

01-16-2008, 09:44 PM

Probably the 17" version. My 15" only has 2 USB ports and 1 Firewire (No idea what kind, never use it).

Understanding

01-16-2008, 09:58 PM

there are no ports on the macbook air.

it seems almost useless to me.

edit: except for that little card slot on the side. case still stands.

Aaron

01-17-2008, 06:30 AM

The specs are **** and it's flimsy and will break. Why buy it? It's like a Mac version of the Eee without intending to be... and quadrupiling the cost.

Danger Bird

01-17-2008, 06:02 PM

No CD drive **** that

CarnageFairy

01-17-2008, 06:07 PM

mightygod

01-17-2008, 10:39 PM

you are all missing the point. Mac is about the software. Try to use pro tools on mac, and pro tools on windows. and thats about it.

JohnXDoe

01-17-2008, 11:31 PM

but no computer is all about software. its up to the user to determine what their computer is all about.

for me a computer is about the hardware first. then the OS in terms of compatibility with whats going on with most of the software at the time.

i've never gotten into a mac for more then several minutes. nothing wrong with it, but its OS is not Windows, of course. and as maligned as Windows is by some it simply makes for a more versatile machine when it comes to available apps for it.

i've never used a computer for recording / video editing of any serious sort. if mac offers an advantage there because of available or bundled software, fine. but unless i need to run pro tools i'm sure Windows has a fair bit more software selections to choose from then mac. which makes pc more "about the software" for me then a mac would be.

JohnXDoe

01-17-2008, 11:43 PM

also i would just like to add does anyone know why Apple / mac isn't bigger then they are? i understand all the "in house" stuff, but why don't we see boxed macs at say, target? or for instance i never see a mac kiosk in the mall. sometimes i see an "istore" or Apple store, or whatever. in a mall. but why not sell them at best buy or circuit city?

they seem niche, but would like you to believe (according to advertising) they are so much better then pc. yet they never take on pc out in the open market like they could.

i think they could grab more market share. but then again maybe not....

EDIT: i looked around. yeah they sell a few here and there. best buy has some. interesting little machines