Death...

[Gentleman]

your thoughts about it i dont mean what you were thought to think or what ur parents told you if you were to die this min. What do YOU think will happen?

[Surtr]

Who cares? Either I die and thats the end so I should spend my life better now and not worry about that, or I'm re-born and I've got another chance to spend my life even better again, or I go to heaven/hell and thats it.

Regardless the only thing that matters to me, is that I live my life as fully as possible now and worry about that bridge when I cross it.

[Hababi]

why do you have ikik's avatar?

[Yield]

Death is but the lack of movement between molecules in the body. And since pain is all in the mind, how you die doesn't matter if you can overcome all that mental ****.

However, since it's nearly impossible without drugs to overcome that mental ****, I'd prefer to die peacefully.

So yeah, idk.

[Gentleman]

who is this ikik yall speak of

[lunchforthesky]

A giant skydaddy will party with my ghost forever.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Soul, Spirit, Consciousness, etc, is but a subset of phenomenon resulting from physical activity, which once ended results in the extinguishing of all mental activity.

[CarnageFairy]

who is this ikik yall speak of

ikikdababy. Old user, does he even still post here? Name change or sommat?



Anyway, personally I think that when you die, well, your conciousness ceases to exist and that's all she wrote.

[PerpetualBurn]

Who cares? Either I die and thats the end so I should spend my life better now and not worry about that, or I'm re-born and I've got another chance to spend my life even better again, or I go to heaven/hell and thats it.

Regardless the only thing that matters to me, is that I live my life as fully as possible now and worry about that bridge when I cross it.

You're far too anti-intellectual for this forum.

[Gentleman]

but what about all this religious hoopla?

[VomitStainedCretin]

but what about all this religious hoopla?Hooray; cerebral mortification by oxygen deprivation; tunnel effect, blinding light, your optical co-ordination going apesh1t in mass panic.

[Surtr]

You're far too anti-intellectual for this forum.

Likely.

I just can't see the point in contemplating over something that you can't ever know, and that is generally pointless.

My opinion on death is that regardless of what happens when you die, you should be a helluva' lot more focussed on living first.

I dunno'.

[Avalanche.]

I wake up every morning and try to fathom all that is death, for the first 10 seconds or so I have a mini panic attack as I realize that I will have no consciousness whatsoever.

After I get past that first stage it doesn't affect me as much. The cycle repeats itself nearly every morning and scares the **** out of me every time. It makes me understand why people such convictions when dealing with their religious beliefs.

[VomitStainedCretin]

The fundamental certainty in life is its finite nature; we need to accept this if we are truly to be able to live life in its fullness. Belief in an afterlife is negative and illusory and reflects an unconscious hatred of living and desire for its swift end.

[Surtr]

The fundamental certainty in life is its finite nature; we need to accept this if we are truly to be able to live life in its fullness. Belief in an afterlife is negative and illusory and reflects an unconscious hatred of living and desire for its swift end.

So I guess more or less I've accepted that an end is impossible to avoid, and so I've now opened myself to living life to its fullest.

[Independent_CA]

I have no idea and arguing over it would be pointless.

[gregulus]

i want a viking funeral, personally. flaming arrow on to a boat at sea.

[Iscariot]

I think death is probably just the natural transition between one state of being and another. Our brains are full of electricity and our memories and consciousness are created and stored with electricity, and when we die all of that energy has to go somewhere because energy can't be destroyed, it just floats around until it's absorbed by something else. So a ghost would be say, the left over semi-conscious energy from a deceased individual.

And then like, you would be reincarnated when your energy found a new suitable energy source to be absorbed into, hence people with memories of past lives. idk I always think about this when I'm baked.

[VomitStainedCretin]

It's nice to think that but I don't think the electricity in your brain can be independently conscious of the physical cerebrum.

[PerpetualBurn]

I think death is probably just the natural transition between one state of being and another. Our brains are full of electricity and our memories and consciousness are created and stored with electricity, and when we die all of that energy has to go somewhere because energy can't be destroyed, it just floats around until it's absorbed by something else. So a ghost would be say, the left over semi-conscious energy from a deceased individual.

And then like, you would be reincarnated when your energy found a new suitable energy source to be absorbed into, hence people with memories of past lives. idk I always think about this when I'm baked.

If memories can't be destroyed, how come some people get such severe memory loss?

[ringworm]

when you die, you're dead, thats it, try to have fun in the meantime

[McP3000]

When you die, you are reborn as a dead person.

[samariah]

If memories can't be destroyed, how come some people get such severe memory loss?

Does severe memory loss indicate actual destruction of the memories or does it mean that you cannot access those memories even though they are present?

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't really care.

I was going to run on to point out that just because energy can't be destroyed doesn't mean the electrical charges in your brain aren't just going to dissipate away and be converted to something else.

[Mr. Ron]

i want a viking funeral, personally. flaming arrow on to a boat at sea.

^^^^^

[Iscariot]

I don't really care.

I was going to run on to point out that just because energy can't be destroyed doesn't mean the electrical charges in your brain aren't just going to dissipate away and be converted to something else.

Well, what's your explanation for documented paranormal activity and less popular subjects like past-life memories? Not a challenge or anything, I'm just curious to hear what you think.

And also memories aren't destroyed, they get stuck in amaloid plaques and are unable to complete their journey from one synapse to another in the case of Alzheimer's, and I'm not sure how other forms of memory loss work but I know that the memories are always recoverable.

[ed_stones_dead]

Your soul might stay conscious, and you just stare at the inside of a coffin or an urn forever.
How boring would that be?!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Well, what's your explanation for d0cumented paranormal activity and less popular subjects like past-life memories? Not a challenge or anything, I'm just curious to hear what you think.

And also memories aren't destroyed, they get stuck in amaloid plaques and are unable to complete their journey from one synapse to another in the case of Alzheimer's, and I'm not sure how other forms of memory loss work but I know that the memories are always recoverable.

I'd like to agree with you, but you're a dirty Islanders fan, so I can't.

[sweboy]

I think death is probably just the natural transition between one state of being and another. Our brains are full of electricity and our memories and consciousness are created and stored with electricity, and when we die all of that energy has to go somewhere because energy can't be destroyed, it just floats around until it's absorbed by something else. So a ghost would be say, the left over semi-conscious energy from a deceased individual.

And then like, you would be reincarnated when your energy found a new suitable energy source to be absorbed into, hence people with memories of past lives. idk I always think about this when I'm baked.

ooookeeeey....

[Iscariot]

ooookeeeey....

I don't get what's so far-fetched about my thoughts. Energy can't be destroyed is a fact. So far we're not sure if consciousness is stored in the energy produced by the brain or the brain itself. In the early stages of experimental brain surgery, it was proven through experiments with monkeys that when the brain was left inside of the head and the entire head was transfered from one body to another, the individual consciousness was transfered with it. As to where the consciousness itself is stored, that's still a mystery.

[Against Miik!]

I see no reason to be scared of inevitability. As for the fear of going to hell or whatever, well, I think I am a pretty good person. If someone like George Bush goes to heaven instead of me just because of his alleged devout faith in God, well, then thats o.k. I know the system is messed up. I'm still not sure how I feel about all that yet though.

[Avalanche.]

So not existing doesn't bother anyone?

[Against Miik!]

It's scary to think about while you are alive, but then really think about it. When you fall asleep, do you know you are asleep? No. It's not like you are aware you will be dead, so it doesn't really matter.

[CarnageFairy]

^^123

I've been thinking about it for a while and I think I would like to die from a fall. A big one. Like a skycraper or Cessna or something.

[sweboy]

I don't get what's so far-fetched about my thoughts. Energy can't be destroyed is a fact. So far we're not sure if consciousness is stored in the energy produced by the brain or the brain itself. In the early stages of experimental brain surgery, it was proven through experiments with monkeys that when the brain was left inside of the head and the entire head was transfered from one body to another, the individual consciousness was transfered with it. As to where the consciousness itself is stored, that's still a mystery.

O.o

When you die, the flow of energy to the brain stops, so the brain cells die and loose their function. It's not like the brain is a big pool of energy that just moves on when the body dies.

And even if there would have been big amounts of leftover energy, it's not like that energy is composed of magic energy unicorns that can travel trough time and space and carry with it information about your consciousness and apply it somewhere else. Contrary to new age belief, energy is scientifically definable as molecular movement, electron flow, chemical bonding energy etc. "Semi-conscious energy"..? I don't know.

Also you might wanna check the validity of your head transplant source. I think the monkey was a bit dizzy.

[ringworm]

So not existing doesn't bother anyone?
there isnt anything you can do about it, so while it sucks a big one, there isnt much use, hopefully it will be painless and quick

[Iscariot]

When you die, the flow of energy to the brain stops, so the brain cells die and loose their function. It's not like the brain is a big pool of energy that just moves on when the body dies.

The law of conservation of energy.

And even if there would have been big amounts of leftover energy, it's not like that energy is composed of magic energy unicorns that can travel trough time and space and carry with it information about your consciousness and apply it somewhere else. Contrary to new age belief, energy is scientifically definable as molecular movement, electron flow, chemical bonding energy etc. "Semi-conscious energy"..? I don't know.

Um there is nothing magical about memories being composed of electrical impulses between synapses or about the brain being powered by a constant level of energy that upon death has to actually go somewhere because it can't just magically disappear as you like to believe.

Also you might wanna check the validity of your head transplant source...

Dr. Robert J. White and the History channel are pretty good sources, thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._White

[Der Übermensch]

Head transplants exist. The lower body is functionally paralyzed though from it :-\

[Iscariot]

That's due to the inability to repair resulting nerve damage which I'm sure will no longer be an issue in a couple of years.

[Toaster]

energy stored in your brain or anywhere else in your body goes into the soil when you decompose or is converted into heat when you are cremated

[Iscariot]

energy stored in your brain or anywhere else in your body goes into the soil when you decompose or is converted into heat when you are cremated

There has actually never been a verified haunting that is linked to someone who had been cremated, which is also curious. Hauntings are always linked to people who have either been buried or entombed.

[Futue te Ipsum]

If memories can't be destroyed, how come some people get such severe memory loss?as far as I know it's not the memory that's lost, but more our brains ability to find it. I'm not all too good at psych though.

either way Jared is still full of ****.

[Knifeboy]

I don't think about such trivial matters, because I'm not planning on dying

[Knifeboy]

There has actually never been a verified haunting that is linked to someone who had been cremated, which is also curious. Hauntings are always linked to people who have either been buried or entombed.

I love when people put forth such bullshit as if it was fact, and not just some random statement said by someone making money off of peoples superstition

[Iscariot]

There's nothing bullshit about verified, documented hauntings. It's ok though I can accept that I'm more intelligent and open-minded than some of you.

[Toaster]

whatev this thread is dumb anyway.

[Surtr]

There's nothing bullpoop about verified, d0cumented hauntings. It's ok though I can accept that I'm more intelligent and open-minded than some of you.

Uhh what?

What verifies them? Its something someone has seen that doesn't explain it. And now suddenly you're assume that when someone dies, all the energy just gets up and walks around???

I follow you on the reincarnation aspect, because that makes sorta' sense, but even still not really.

The energy is then dispersed because the body isn't using it anymore, and so it goes into the ground or is let off in the form of a gas or something, and then yeah sure some of those energy "particles" or whatever may go into the creation or birth or something of another living organism and it could explain recalling seeing something before, assuming somehow a helluva' a lot (considering it in terms of the size of a photon or whatever the **** energy actually is) of energy from a certain person made it into that certain organism.

I dunno' if that even made sense by the way.

[samariah]

I love when people put forth such bullpoop as if it was fact, and not just some random statement said by someone making money off of peoples superstition

this except i dont love it

[Toaster]

but this is all assuming that memory and personality can be housed in pure energy. whereas my understanding is that both of these exist because of specific types of connections in the brain

i mean the electricity in nerves is just from action potential or whatev, and energy in the body is taken from carbohydrates, which have energy cause of bonding and stuff

that is just energy though. chemical energy is the same no matter how it is applied, so the energy from your decomposed brain will be used to fuel a rabbit's leg muscle or something.. after he eats the protein and stuff that has made its way into the soil

like... what made your personality unique was the types of connections in your brain, not the molecules that made up your brain matter. unless someone is mapping the synapses in your brain, after you die the structure of your brain will be lost

im pulling this out of my *** mostly but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than hauntings lol

[McP3000]

I see no reason to be scared of inevitability. As for the fear of going to hell or whatever, well, I think I am a pretty good person. If someone like George Bush goes to heaven instead of me just because of his alleged devout faith in God, well, then thats o.k. I know the system is messed up. I'm still not sure how I feel about all that yet though.
I don't see how Bush going to heaven for having faith in God and you not for not having any faith is messed up :confused:

Bush is a very good person morally, he's just a politically inept idiot. If God is real, he's not too concerned with what political party you affiliate with.

[samariah]

heaven lol

[PerpetualBurn]

Well, what's your explanation for documented paranormal activity and less popular subjects like past-life memories? Not a challenge or anything, I'm just curious to hear what you think.

Documented?

[Surtr]

Haha ignore Jarred, he's gone off on something altogether non-sensical like he occasionally does. :p

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Bush is a very good person morally

You know him?

[Iscariot]

Documented?

Analyzed video shown to be a true account of the paranormal. Also, EVPs. Also, inspected and verified infrared video, abnormal EMF readings, and physical experiences.

[malaise]

I thought this thread was about the band. :(

[PerpetualBurn]

Analyzed video shown to be a true account of the paranormal. Also, EVPs. Also, inspected and verified infrared video, abnormal EMF readings, and physical experiences.

Oh, so by documented you meant wildly speculated.

[Surtr]

Analyzed video shown to be a true account of the paranormal. Also, EVPs. Also, inspected and verified infrared video, abnormal EMF readings, and physical experiences.

Umm...

If there's Video that shows TRUE accounts of ghosts, then why aren't ghosts considered 100% real by fact?

[samariah]

lol your gullible iscariot

[McP3000]

You know him?
If i said i've met him and his father, and i my parents know many people that are friends with him...would you believe me?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I wouldn't neccesarily not believe you; I'd just be skeptical. Have you met him? What's he like?

[PerpetualBurn]

There has actually never been a verified haunting

Is it wrong to quote out of context if it makes him right?

[lunchforthesky]

haha ghosts hmmmm.

[McP3000]

I wouldn't neccesarily not believe you; I'd just be skeptical. Have you met him? What's he like?
He acts exactly like how you would expect a 60 year old Texan would. He's unbelievably nice and has a great sense of humor. However, there were hints of him being off his rocker. He had...quirks...you could say.

[Avalanche.]

you guys have apparently never seen ghost hunters on sci fi

[ringworm]

i havent seen anything since you got that avatar :)

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

He acts exactly like how you would expect a 60 year old Texan would. He's unbelievably nice and has a great sense of humor. However, there were hints of him being off his rocker. He had...quirks...you could say.

Interesting. What kind of quirks?

[McP3000]

Interesting. What kind of quirks?
Well, he forces the use of large words on occasion...even though he uses them correctly it sounds weird.
He stutters a little, and pauses when he speaks
His laugh is strange, and he often laughs at strange things

I wasn't with him too long. This is all i really picked up. But you could tell the presidency was getting to him mentally.

[Avalanche.]

i havent seen anything since you got that avatar :)

Thats my mom :upset:

[Knifeboy]

definitely the most distracting avatar on mx

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

i rep'd him just for having it. it's amazing. WHERE THE **** IS IT FROM?!?!?

[DJ Karl Marx]

She's dancing to my music...

[Det_Nosnip]

Death?

It sucks.

[Det_Nosnip]

I thought this thread was about the band. :(

They were cool.

Chuck died.

Irony?

[McP3000]

They were cool.

Chuck died.

Irony?
Love the band
Love the irony

[VomitStainedCretin]

Well I'm sure Chuck was aware of his mortality some time prior to his demise, so I believe he was self-aware of this possible irony.

Apologies for stating the blatently obvious.

[ringworm]

Thats my MILF :upset:
:)
fixed

[Avalanche.]

Incest, now theres a thread topic :thumb:

[VomitStainedCretin]

Incest, now theres a thread topic :thumb:Especially when it results in grotesquely deformed and retarded children! :thumb:

[Squirrel]

I rarely post in these forums but i just had to after seeing iscariot's posts, seriously wtf.

[Avalanche.]

i think that means youre doing it wrong

[McP3000]

i think that means youre doing it wrong
Who? Iscariot or the family members performing incest

[chronopops]

There has actually never been a verified haunting that is linked to someone who had been cremated, which is also curious. Hauntings are always linked to people who have either been buried or entombed.

I actually was watching this show on discovery channel, and they were investigating a haunting that they came to believe came from an unburied urn full of some lady's ashes.

[r1mbaud]

when i die, im pretty sure ill just find a mysterious whole. look through and find out im in hell, in hillary clintons body over and over again; like that infamous movie being john malkovich.

[PerpetualBurn]

I actually was watching this show on discovery channel, and they were investigating a haunting that they came to believe came from an unburied urn full of some lady's ashes.

The Discovery Channel?

Well now I'm lost for refutations.

[VomitStainedCretin]

when i die, im pretty sure ill just find a mysterious whole. look through and find out im in hell, in hillary clintons body over and over again; like that infamous movie being john malkovich.Perpetually tormented by v@ginal ulcers...

[hethamulburton]

I actually was watching this show on discovery channel, and they were investigating a haunting that they came to believe came from an unburied urn full of some lady's ashes.

That'd be the ghost's fault then... cause she would've wanted to be cremated... which implies spending some time in an urn above the ground. Man, even the dead seem to be infinitely unwise.

I guess that's better than being sprinkled into a lake to be consumed and pooped by fish though.

Perpetually tormented by v@ginal ulcers...

Ahh...

Well that may be enjoyable if you be a 4chan lover. :lol:

[r1mbaud]

Ahh...

Well that may be enjoyable if you be a 4chan lover. :lol:

HAVE YOU SEEN THAT GUY CASTRATE HIM SELF?! OH JESUS!

[barbarian]

If I died I would expect my body to decay and eventually be swallowed up by the earth where various plants and animals would suck the nutrients out of me until my body no longer exists as it was. My brain would probably shoot itself up with a bunch of chemicals and I'd be tripping. Who knows how long that trip lasts - from that perspective, it could go on "forever."

[FakePlasticTrees]

I freak myself out about death and dying each night when I'm in bed. It's not so much the physical act of death, its the manner and the journey that leads up to it that gets me. Is it going to be violent and sudden? Or long, drawn out and painfull due to cancer, for example. Or is it going to happen when I'm all alone?


/my two cents

[Spiritofmosa]

i think that means youre doing it wrong

nice avatar, where did you get it from ?

Anyway, Do you think its scientifically possible for anyone to experience anything after his heart stops and is definately dead.

[marcus_in_absentia]

I think there might potentially be minimal brain activity for a while even after the heart stops, hence the near-death experience of the light at the end of the tunnel, which in actuality (don't quote me on this) is just the brain dying out due to a lack of oxygen from the unbeating heart.

[samariah]

I freak myself out about death and dying each night when I'm in bed. It's not so much the physical act of death, its the manner and the journey that leads up to it that gets me. Is it going to be violent and sudden? Or long, drawn out and painfull due to cancer, for example. Or is it going to happen when I'm all alone?


/my two cents

any reason why?

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

here's how i look at

i'm going to live my life how i want, to the fullest, without regrets and generally live a good life by good moral principles. and when I die, if there is a god and he is reviewing my life he sees that i lived a good life even though i didn't worship any gods he will send me to heaven. if there is a god he has to be omnibenevelont (sp?) anyway

that's why idc about religion

[mph4ever]

i hope i get old before i die. i hope that when i die then nature has prepared me for it. i hope there is no afterlife as i have had enough of this lot already.

maybe i can come back as cat in my partners life, they seem to have it best of it

[1338 h4x0r]

well, there's probably something beyond the physical world, because the idea of electrical and chemical activity causing consciousness to occur seems as ridiculous as the idea of Frankenstein's monster being animated with a streak of lightning

I have no idea what happens though

[PerpetualBurn]

the idea of electrical and chemical activity causing consciousness to occur seems as ridiculous as the idea of Frankenstein's monster being animated with a streak of lightning

No it doesn't.

[1338 h4x0r]

Then computers can be conscious

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I'm really not sure what happens. Can anybody really be sure?

[VomitStainedCretin]

Then computers can be consciousAccording to a materialist/functionalist interpretation of consciousness, yes.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Computers are not conscious.

[peeted]

I think everyone should read No Exit. Because it shows how life continues through influence in other individuals.

[1338 h4x0r]

According to a materialist/functionalist interpretation of consciousness, yes.

My experience with computers has led me to believe this view is bullshit. :)

[JohnXDoe]

i honestly think nothing will happen i'll just be dead. especially after i'm.....dead

if i see myself dying slowly i see a realization of it. thats how i imagine it. a dream state, maybe a painful one

dying quickly, same thing only fast. although instantaneous death like a bullet through the head or a piano falling on you....you never see it coming. do you know? even for a split second? i wonder about that....

but my thoughts about death exactly? personally, we all go sometime. its sad for many left behind. some choose death like soldiers and martyrs, others don't go so willingly. i myself value life very little, which is not to say i don't value living. i just believe in the bigger scheme of things we are expendable. so that makes death still sad personally when someone i know dies, but overall i'm ok with it. i don't grieve too much for humanity.

i think living in pain or heading toward death in suffering is worse then death itself, as they say. if i'm 80 just pull the plug....

[peeted]

According to a materialist/functionalist interpretation of consciousness, yes.
Neither materialism nor functionalism equate to the belief that artificial consciousness is possible.

[Badmoon]

When I die, I'll go to Heaven

most of you will go to Hell, or nothing at all. hahah

sounds good :)

[Iscariot]

hey i remember this thread i trolled and baited a lot at the beginning of it

anyway i believe in reincarnation

if the universe is infinite then why shouldn't life be tbh

[PerpetualBurn]

if the universe is infinite then why shouldn't life be tbh

Because this is the Grand Canyon of all non sequiturs.

[Iscariot]

no it isn't you just don't get it

[i am the robots]

**** off guys human is ****ing amazing

[PerpetualBurn]

no it isn't you just don't get it

Erm no...

The Universe is infinite

therefore

life is infinite

THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW.

You need to add a few premises.

[Iscariot]

Erm no...

The Universe is infinite

therefore

life is infinite

THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW.

You need to add a few premises.

prove that life ends with the death of the physical body

[PerpetualBurn]

Any scientific definition of life depends upon the physical body.

[UpperDecker]

According to deathclock.com, I'm going to die Thursday, August 7, 2042. YAY!!!!!!!

[Eliminator]

i will die Tuesday, October 14, 2064

[thelowsoundofbass]

Death is merely an extension of life and a new beginning to an old self. Life is not constrained by our physical bodies and thus if does not end when our physical body ceases to exist.

lowsound

[Eliminator]

lol

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

you guys should define 'life' before arguing about it

[pedro durruti]

Erm no...

The Universe is infinite

therefore

life is infinite

THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW.

You need to add a few premises.
I am the universe

I am the Aleph