Al Sharpton

[DBoons Ghost]

I know we've discuss him before but I really just want to get opinions. Maybe even someone can help me understand why Sharpton is going above and beyond to further drive a wedge between black America and.. well.. everyone else.

Is it fair what he's asking for? Do we really need this kind of unreasonable nonsense? Al Sharpton's credibility has been shot time and time again. Why do people give him merit?

In any event, here's the latest issue at hand.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/10/tilghman.woods/index.html

[monkeysonmars.]

that man needs to be lynched.

seriously though a word cannot be intrinsically racist, that's just stupid.

[DBoons Ghost]

that man needs to be lynched.

seriously though a word cannot be intrinsically racist, that's just stupid.

I agree. We can cut corners on discussing things like a noose and what a noose might represent, but people who simulate gallows on their front porches for Halloween now have to be careful because of things like this. Everyone is not the KKK and it's not even like droves of black people were hung from trees. 20 or so isolated incidents in rural Alabama does not equate to the entire country.

Self grandizing moron is what Al Sharpton is.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Oh no the Golf Channel will lose its gigantic black audience

How will it stay on the air?

[monkeysonmars.]

i struggled to read past this line,

Sharpton appears to be marshaling his forces for a fight with the Golf Channel

[DBoons Ghost]

Oh no the Golf Channel will lose its gigantic black audience

How will it stay on the air?

That's actually hysterical.

[DBoons Ghost]

i struggled to read past this line,

It's what defines America these days.

If someone outright killed Sharpton I don't think anyone would complain.

Anyone.

[PerpetualBurn]

"Lynching is not murder in general.It is not assault in general. It is a specific racial termthat this woman should be held accountable for," the reverend said.

It's not a specific racial term. It's a form of murder.

People would also lynch paedophiles.

"What she said is racist. Whether she's a racist -- whether she runs around at night making racist statements -- is immaterial."

If she's not a racist and there was no racist intent then it's not racist.

[DBoons Ghost]

I agree with you Burn, but logic escapes the good Reverend Al Sharpton because he's a black opportunist.

[gregulus]

if there was no racist intent behind her words, how can she be racist?

[DBoons Ghost]

if there was no racist intent behind her words, how can she be racist?

It's not that she was racist. Sharpton's arguement stems from offensive words no matter the context or reason.

If she was talking about lynching another white golfer this would be a non issue.

Tiger wasn't offended in the least and found it amusing, but Sharpton was offended therefore his offense means this women being fired.

The Golf channel already suspended her from duty pending a further investigation.

[gregulus]

It's not that she was racist. Sharpton's arguement stems from offensive words no matter the context or reason.

If she was talking about lynching another white golfer this would be a non issue.

Tiger wasn't offended in the least and found it amusing, but Sharpton was offended therefore his offense means this women being fired.

The Golf channel already suspended her from duty pending a further investigation.
i understand al's argument and it is crap. intent must be considered.

[Shell]

what do you think would have happened if it had been a black commentator who made that comment?

most likely nothing at all

[ringworm]

ugh, we ran Al Sharpton out of NC when he tried to jump on the Duke Lacross team incident, he was all over the place wanting to imprison the white boys accused of raping a black girl

where was Al when they discovered that the DA in that case witheld evidence for a FREAKIN YEAR that could have let them finish their season and not be portrayed as racists on national media?


i hate the racist pig myself

[guitrguy]

I loathe him so much. Isn't he supposed to be a champion of civil rights? The guy brings more hate and distrust between people than he helps them get along.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

what do you think would have happened if it had been a black commentator who made that comment?

most likely nothing at all

do you have a point?

[guitrguy]

do you have a point?

Al Sharpton's inability to be objective.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

her comment has nothing to do with al sharpton being objective. at all.

[guitrguy]

her comment has nothing to do with al sharpton being objective. at all.

if you have low a level of comprehension, then yes.

[Shell]

my point is that they wouldn't make a big deal about it if a black person had said it... but it should still be considered a racist comment, no matter who says it... Sharpton is just as racist as any person he points his finger at

[DBoons Ghost]

Can anyone see any reason why Kelly Tilghman shouldn't sue Sharpton for defamation of character?

[gregulus]

my point is that they wouldn't make a big deal about it if a black person had said it... but it should still be considered a racist comment, no matter who says it... Sharpton is just as racist as any person he points his finger at

But lynching isn't race related. Lynching, by definition, is a mob killing someone without due process.

As was said earlier, the intent of the comments must also be considered. I highly doubt there was any sort of racist undertones in her meaning.

[guitrguy]

Hes a man of god so he can't ever be malicious. :rolleyes:

But lynching isn't race related. Lynching, by definition, is a mob killing someone without due process.

As was said earlier, the intent of the comments must also be considered. I highly doubt there was any sort of racist undertones in her meaning.

I agree with you, but since Al Sharpton obviously is unwilling to to be fair. A black person could have said the exact same thing in the exact same context, but thats perfectly OK with Sharpton.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

my point is that they wouldn't make a big deal about it if a black person had said it... but it should still be considered a racist comment, no matter who says it... Sharpton is just as racist as any person he points his finger at

obviously. but black people are allowed to tell a black joke. it's still racist anyway, but the difference is that black people have a sort of "moral right" to say them.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

But lynching isn't race related. Lynching, by definition, is a mob killing someone without due process.

As was said earlier, the intent of the comments must also be considered. I highly doubt there was any sort of racist undertones in her meaning.

in america, lynching is equated with black people and black people alone.

[guitrguy]

How do they have moral right to it? They're being hypocrites.

in america, lynching is equated with black people and black people alone.

Not necessarily, but if you have simple mind that wants to see racism in everything that would be true.

[DBoons Ghost]

in america, lynching is equated with black people and black people alone.

Ignorance abounds.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Ignorance abounds.

absolutely. im not saying i agree with it.

[gregulus]

in america, lynching is equated with black people and black people alone.
not if you know what lynching is.

her comment should be interpreted as follows:
"in order for new, up-and-coming golfers to compete with tiger woods, they will probably need to collectively go after him kill him."

no racial undertones, obvious sarcasm.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

How do they have moral right to it? They're being hypocrites.

How is it hypocritical for a black person to tell a racist joke against black people but criticize a white person for telling the same joke?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

not if you know what lynching is.

most people don't. that's the point.

[guitrguy]

most people don't. that's the point.

and this is based on your restricted experience?

How is it hypocritical for a black person to tell a racist joke against black people but criticize a white person for telling the same joke?

you just laid it out.

[Shell]

But lynching isn't race related. Lynching, by definition, is a mob killing someone without due process.

As was said earlier, the intent of the comments must also be considered. I highly doubt there was any sort of racist undertones in her meaning.

I should have clarified a bit that IF it is considered a racist thing in one instance, it should be in all instances... regardless of the remark or who makes it. If Al Sharpton wants people to stop saying certain things, then he needs to set the standard that it's not okay for anyone to say it. Otherwise, he's a hypocrite.

[DBoons Ghost]

absolutely. im not saying i agree with it.

Oh. sarcasm lol!

Whew.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Oh. sarcasm lol!

Whew.

what sarcasm

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

and this is based on your restricted experience?

ask 10 people what lynching means, and atleast 7 of them will say "durrrrrrrr hanging a person!"

than ask who gets lynched, and they'll say "duuuuuuuur black people!"

[Shell]

How is it hypocritical for a black person to tell a racist joke against black people but criticize a white person for telling the same joke?

If multiple black people (Chris Rock comes to mind) say "daaaamn, ******s LOVE fried chicken!" why shouldn't white people also believe that black people do, indeed, love fried chicken?

[gregulus]

ask 10 people what lynching means, and atleast 7 of them will say "durrrrrrrr hanging a person!"

than ask who gets lynched, and they'll say "duuuuuuuur black people!"
this is not relevant to the rightness or wrongness of the woman's actions.

[guitrguy]

ask 10 people what lynching means, and atleast 7 of them will say "durrrrrrrr hanging a person!"

than ask who gets lynched, and they'll say "duuuuuuuur black people!"

you're an idiot and need to leave.

Regardless, your making argument saying that she should be punished for other people being stupid. That makes tons of sense.

[monkeysonmars.]

How is it hypocritical for a black person to tell a racist joke against black people but criticize a white person for telling the same joke?

in case you're not joking, if you assume it is ok for a black person to tell such a joke and not a white person then you are assuming that black people will mean it in jest and white people are being racist, thus making all white people racist. ironically the only racist comment to be made so far in the thread

but i hope you were joking.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

When did I say she should be punished based on an ignorant view of what the word lynching means? I agree that lynching isn't even a racism-related word to begin with. But to say that a white person and a black person should face the same reaction for telling a black joke is just stupid.

[monkeysonmars.]

When did I say she should be punished based on an ignorant view of what the word lynching means? I agree that lynching isn't even a racism-related word to begin with. But to say that a white person and a black person should face the same reaction for telling a black joke is just stupid.

ok define racism for me, as loosely as you like.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Prejudice based on race.

[monkeysonmars.]

and where is that present in someone telling a joke about a black person?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Prejudice is by definition any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

[ed_stones_dead]

Prejudice is by definition any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

Is there really such a thing as a favourable prejudice?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yes.

[ed_stones_dead]

Please elaborate

[monkeysonmars.]

you still haven't answered my question


but it's ok, you're an idiot and i'm tired

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

"All Japanese people are smart"

[guitrguy]

When did I say she should be punished based on an ignorant view of what the word lynching means? I agree that lynching isn't even a racism-related word to begin with. But to say that a white person and a black person should face the same reaction for telling a black joke is just stupid.

did you leave your brain somewhere before you got online?

[ed_stones_dead]

"All Japanese people are smart"

In what way is that favourable?
You're making a sweeping statement that covers an entire country.
You might as well say "all black people can run fast."

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Because being smart is a positive trait.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

did you leave your brain somewhere before you got online?

If all you're going to do is use insults instead of arguments, then leave this thread.

[Shell]

Prejudice is by definition any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

an opinion or feeling which can be held by a person of any race, about another person of any race, including their own

[ed_stones_dead]

Because being smart is a positive trait.

It's not about whether or not the trait is positive. It's about the fact that you're so ignorant as to think that an entire race can be huddled together under such a thing.

[guitrguy]

If all you're going to do is use insults instead of arguments, then leave this thread.

don't be an idiot, I mean you laid out the definition of hypocrisy and said thats its not. I'm sorry but thats typical of an idiot.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It's not about whether or not the trait is positive. It's about the fact that you're so ignorant as to think that an entire race can be huddled together under such a thing.

Actually, it is, because I was asked to give an example of a favorable form of prejudice.

[Reaganista]

It's not about whether or not the trait is positive. It's about the fact that you're so ignorant as to think that an entire race can be huddled together under such a thing.
no if the trait is positive then it's a positive stereotype

[monkeysonmars.]

let me break it down for you, racism is preconceived ideas about a race, like you said.

therefore in order to be racist you have to actually hold these ideas, you can't just use words that have racist connotations and be called a racist.

in this way saying ****** or some other racist joke doesn't make you a racist.

however, saying that 'when a white person says a racist joke its racism' is, in fact, racism. you are making the preconceived assumption that it is wrong for them to tell the joke because they mean it.

/end of argument that shouldn't have started

[ed_stones_dead]

Actually, it is, because I was asked to give an example of a favorable form of prejudice.

So do you think you could go up to a Japanese person and say.

"Hey, could you do my maths assignment for me? All you people are good at that right?"
and they're supposed to say,
"Hell yeah, because i was born in this country that automatically makes me clever. What a broad minded person you are"

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah I don't want this to be a racism discussion to be honest.

I just wanted some opinions on the double standard Al Sharpton refuses to acknowledge.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

So do you think you could go up to a Japanese person and say.

"Hey, could you do my maths assignment for me? All you people are good at that right?"
and they're supposed to say,
"Hell yeah, because i was born in this country that automatically makes me clever. What a broad minded person you are"

No, because that's racist. And Japanese is an ethnicity; not just a nationality.

[Reaganista]

let me break it down for you, racism is preconceived ideas about a race, like you said.

therefore in order to be racist you have to actually hold these ideas, you can't just use words that have racist connotations and be called a racist.

in this way saying ****** or some other racist joke doesn't make you a racist.

however, saying that 'when a white person says a racist joke its racism' is, in fact, racism. you are making the preconceived assumption that it is wrong for them to tell the joke because they mean it.

/end of argument that shouldn't have started
except it being a joke doesn't make it not racist but ya other than that bad ideas all around

[Shell]

Yes, DBoon, Sharpton needs to quit being a twat and he's basically encouraging race-based hate.

So do you think you could go up to a Japanese person and say.

"Hey, could you do my maths assignment for me? All you people are good at that right?"
and they're supposed to say,
"Hell yeah, because i was born in this country that automatically makes me clever. What a broad minded person you are"

He didn't say that he held that belief, just that it was an example.

[ed_stones_dead]

Yes, DBoon, Sharpton needs to quit being a twat and he's basically encouraging race-based hate.



He didn't say that he held that belief, just that it was an example.

I didn't say he did hold that belief. I was just trying to say i don't think there's such a thing as a positive stereotype.
But anyway, no more talk about that.

[guitrguy]

No, because that's racist. And Japanese is an ethnicity; not just a nationality.

you are splitting hairs that don't need to be split.

[monkeysonmars.]

except it being a joke doesn't make it not racist but ya other than that bad ideas all around

it's 'racist' because it's a joke about preconceived judgments. telling the joke isn't racist, there's nothing about the joke that affects racism, so yeah if you're racist just because it's a joke doesn't mean you're not racist, but in the same way someone who isn't racist cannot be made racist by telling it.

[ed_stones_dead]

you are splitting hairs that don't need to be split.


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[Reaganista]

if the target of the joke is a race it's racist and the person telling it is a racist regardless of what they think about themselves

if the target of the joke is racists it's not racist

[monkeysonmars.]

seashells seashells

[guitrguy]

Thats tway for you.

[Reaganista]

seashells seashells

is that british for 'thanks for explaining that to me ill take it to heart in the future' because it should be

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

if the target of the joke is a race it's racist and the person telling it is a racist regardless of what they think about themselves

if the target of the joke is racists it's not racist

Exactly.

[monkeysonmars.]

is that british for 'thanks for explaining that to me ill take it to heart in the future' because it should be

it absolutely is

/all hail

[Shell]

if the target of the joke is a race it's racist and the person telling it is a racist regardless of what they think about themselves

if the target of the joke is racists it's not racist

if someone says the joke is racist if you're making fun of another race, but it's okay if you're making fun of your own race, isn't that also racist?

[ed_stones_dead]

is that british for 'thanks for explaining that to me ill take it to heart in the future' because it should be

that's the american way, beat everyone into submission and then cover your ears and sing loudly

[guitrguy]

if someone says the joke is racist if you're making fun of another race, but it's okay if you're making fun of your own race, isn't that also racist?

its racists, and undermines any credibility you have to be offended by th joke.

[ringworm]

wow, this thread took off, then quickly burst into flames after lift off :p

[Reaganista]

if someone says the joke is racist if you're making fun of another race, but it's okay if you're making fun of your own race, isn't that also racist?
no you can be racist against your own race too

that's the american way, beat everyone into submission and then cover your ears and sing loudly

so you admit that you were beaten into submission

[monkeysonmars.]

YouGottaBeCrazy hijacked the thread, made crazy ramblings over the tannoy then crashed it into the empire state building.

[Reaganista]

ok this is an american forum could you please respect that and type in american

[monkeysonmars.]

burgers n fries ?

[guitrguy]

fish n chips

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

this thread reeks of terrorists.

[ed_stones_dead]

YouGottaBeCrazy hijacked the thread, made crazy ramblings over the tannoy then crashed it into the empire state building.


Now they won't stop going on about it. They don't understand that everyone else in the world was pleased they finally got knocked down a peg.

[monkeysonmars.]

9/11 was badass

[guitrguy]

Are you Rudy Giuliani?

[DBoons Ghost]

Don't generalize because of one idiot.

This thread went the way of the crapper. At the very least it proves all agree that Al Sharpton is a nutter.

[gregulus]

except it being a joke doesn't make it not racist but ya other than that bad ideas all around

there is nothing racist about the word "lynch." also, it appears fairly evident to me that her intent was not racist in the least.

[Against Miik!]

His heart is in the right place, I suppose. But, as always, he hurts his cause by going after the wrong issues. The guy has a lot of power, or rather, name recognition. He could do a lot of good things if he wasn't such an idiot. He reminds me of the suburban police officers. There are a lot of big fish out there, doing some bad things, but instead, he's pulling over the guy doing 32 in a 25 on a Sunday afternoon.

edit: and Tiger is barely even black. If he was completely Asian, and somebody was talking about lynching, Sharpton wouldn't be anywhere near this. Regardless, it was as dumb choice of words.