Tsk tsk Hilary

[DBoons Ghost]

Your sense of entitlement has been your downfall you rancid carpetbagging whore. There's no crying in politics. There's no reason to lash out at Barack for being sincere and humane when you're a robotic poll taking mole rat. Let this be a lesson to you. The American people are not as stupid as you think. They saw through your lies and your phoniness and your robotic speeches. You don't deserve anything. You have to earn it, and you my dear, just haven't earned it yet nor will you ever. Just because you realized a little too late what it is to be humane in your dealings doesn't mean you get to cry for pity and sympathy, and then have the audacity to claim Obama is trying to be like the good Dr King. You're full of crap lady. You have been playing follow the leader since you wrapped yourself around Slick Willy, hoping to cash in on that venture from day one. You are not capable of love. You only had one kid so a family wouldn't interfere with your personal desires, you selfish liar. Your stint in the senate which will end now that people have seen through your lies has been playing the "game". Not going for change. You voted in all the bills you thought people wanted, and have yet to make a decision for the better common good of all the people of NY but only to protect yourself as you tiptoe around Washington.


Do us all a favor and get out of politics.

[PerpetualBurn]

You ever consider making a point in that little rant?

[Mister_Che]

I guess you heard it too, D.

[DBoons Ghost]

You ever consider making a point in that little rant?

Ah yes! The obligatory useless PerpetualTurd post.

What would this forum be without you?

[Knifeboy]

I guess you heard it too, D.

What?

[DBoons Ghost]

What?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

If you care I suppose it's worth the read.

[Knifeboy]

I think her badly disguised arrogance will be her downfall

[DBoons Ghost]

I think her badly disguised arrogance will be her downfall

I respect earned arrogance as do most people. She's not there yet though. I can see if she ran a state for two terms or actually put together a bill that made a difference, but she hasn't. She's been playing the game in Washington and that's not enough for her to act like she deserves anything more then anyone else.

[PerpetualBurn]

Ah yes! The obligatory useless PerpetualTurd post.

What would this forum be without you?

I just wondered if you had a political point rather than just complaining about how many kids she had.

[DBoons Ghost]

I just wondered if you had a political point rather than just complaining about how many kids she had.

Ah. That one line bothered you eh? Can't please everyone. Now run along. Find more out of context stuff to harp on. I know this is all you cling to in life but I'm sure there's plenty more awaiting your useless commentary.

[PerpetualBurn]

No the whole thing was you spewing dull rhetoric. The point about how many kids she had just typified it.

I was wondering if you had anything intelligent to say on the issue.

Apparently you're just going to accuse me of trolling.

[DBoons Ghost]

No the whole thing was you spewing dull rhetoric. The point about how many kids she had just typified it.

I was wondering if you had anything intelligent to say on the issue.

Apparently you're just going to accuse me of trolling.

Nope. I am not an intellectual.

However, that has no bearing on anything. I am not accusing you of anything. I wasn't aware you were policing the intellectualism of threads in this forum.

Now that I read it over, I'm sure I can spruce it up with some big college words to make it better for your high level of IQ. I know that plebes like me should save our dull ignorant American rhetoric for CNN video comments but I felt like sharing something with my fellow ignorant uneducated American brethren about a potential candidate running for office in this country.

I'll try harder to over-intellectualize my dull boring pointless rants in the future.

[Knifeboy]

Without a link, the original post just seemed like a random drunken rant

That didn't change much with your first reply

Are you ? (drunk)

:p

[Touch Me Hard]

Her emotional crying would have been more believable if it wasn't a day before the NH primaries. We do need a change. A change on who's in office. There has been either a Bush or Clinton in office since I was born and if Hillary was "elected", it'd leave room for another Bush to make a run into office to keep the oil profits up.

[The Forgotten Bassist]

May I also ask Dboons why you wrote your first post in such a way that it seems that you're trying to speak to H Clinton herself?

And in my opinion, as shared apparently by knifeboy, it jsut seems like a rant more than a statement regarding a political figure.

[DBoons Ghost]

May I also ask Dboons why you wrote your first post in such a way that it seems that you're trying to speak to H Clinton herself?

And in my opinion, as shared apparently by knifeboy, it jsut seems like a rant more than a statement regarding a political figure.

Of course it's a rant. Although later in the thread I did provide a link to the story.

Other Americans following the NH primaries knew what I was on about though. Hilary crying about how hard this race is, then attacking Obama's likeness to MLK is what inspired the rant.

You people are way too serious.

[DBoons Ghost]

Without a link, the original post just seemed like a random drunken rant

That didn't change much with your first reply

Are you ? (drunk)

:p

Nah I'm not drunk. Maybe a little tired. I rant all the time though.

[Knifeboy]

When's the next primary vote thing going on?

[DBoons Ghost]

Once New Hampshire is over today, the next primary is in Michigan on the 15th of this month.

[Knifeboy]

How long till NH vote is done?

[DBoons Ghost]

How long till NH vote is done?

The polls in NH close at 8PM tonight.

Everything points to MCain winning for the reps and Obama winning for the dems. NH is a good focus because it's mostly an independant state and most of the voters there work on the issues over the electablity and all that crap.

[Knifeboy]

8 pm tonight means nothing to me, hehe

[DBoons Ghost]

Yeah. 8PM EST. Sorry :)

[Reaganista]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

If you care I suppose it's worth the read.

completely meaningless to me who could possibly care about any of this

[DBoons Ghost]

completely meaningless to me who could possibly care about any of this

Well, I care.

If you had to put up with her uselessness as a senator only to face fears she might be president you should care.

I'm just glad she's showing her true colors for all America to see.

[guitrguy]

I'm glad Obama is pwning her nub ***.

[Reaganista]

Well, I care.

If you had to put up with her uselessness as a senator only to face fears she might be president you should care.

I'm just glad she's showing her true colors for all America to see.

wat colors did she show in that article

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm glad Obama is pwning her nub ***.

Makes two of us man.

Silent cheers all over NYC this morning to be honest.

I guess that's what inspired the rant. Talking with co-workers this morning really got me going.

[DBoons Ghost]

wat colors did she show in that article

That she is jealous of Barack because he's black and she has no plight of her own to sell to the American public, and she stooped pretty low to drag the names she did into it.

And she cried because she's losing. She cried.

[Reaganista]

ok so wat

[DBoons Ghost]

ok so wat

Wouldn't it be grand if during Middle East peace talks President Hilary Clinton broke down and cried in front of the leaders of other nations?

That would rule.

[Reaganista]

maybe it depends on the timing

[DBoons Ghost]

maybe it depends on the timing

You're a pisser.

At least you make me laugh when you troll. An artist!

[Reaganista]

if she cried at the right time she could melt the heart of whoever hamas and israel send with womanly empathy

[Touch Me Hard]

Wouldn't it be grand if during Middle East peace talks President Hilary Clinton broke down and cried in front of the leaders of other nations?

That would rule.

*crying* Pwease Mr. Iran guy, I don't like you having nuecular weapons.

...

[DBoons Ghost]

if she cried at the right time she could melt the heart of whoever hamas and israel send with womanly empathy

Those hearts don't melt anymore, nor should they. I'm not saying they respond to brute American force **** yeah but somehow a bitch who is supposedly capable of running the biggest free country in the world crying about how she has no control over our government's contribution to the death of many palestinians would be construed as a malicious ploy just as these tears of convenience would be.

She's a terrible actress. Politics is not acting anymore. We need to put those days behind us.

[Reaganista]

wat if it's not acting then wtf is it???????

[gregulus]

Well, that certainly could have done without the accusations of being a whore.

[Reaganista]

no she's a woman
running for president
!!!!

[DBoons Ghost]

You guys mistake my temporary misogony as permament. She should spend more time ironing Bill's shirts and leave politics to those who have the meddle for it.

[Reaganista]

politics doesnt require meddle

[guitrguy]

I don't want my prez to be a crybaby wah wah

[DBoons Ghost]

If she can't handle the rejection she should never have gotten involved.

[Light_Fantastic]

I watched Senator Clinton on CSPAN over the weekend doing a one-hour tour de force that convinced me she has the experience and grasp of the issues and should be our next president. She didn't dodge questions, she didn't take a sip of water and she didn't CRY--she was on her feet for an hour answering EVERY question in great detail on many topics. We have an inexperienced president now. Do we need another?

[guitrguy]

ok...

[gregulus]

You guys mistake my temporary misogony as permament. She should spend more time ironing Bill's shirts and leave politics to those who have the meddle for it.

Temporary misogyny isn't justifiable either. Maybe you should validate your dislike of her with actual analysis of her policies, not her being a woman. You, like the majority of the country, hate her without being able to rationally explain why.

[DBoons Ghost]

I watched Senator Clinton on CSPAN over the weekend doing a one-hour tour de force that convinced me she has the experience and grasp of the issues and should be our next president. She didn't dodge questions, she didn't take a sip of water and she didn't CRY--she was on her feet for an hour answering EVERY question in great detail on many topics. We have an inexperienced president now. Do we need another?

No sorry Jay the one thing Bush had over most if not all the candidates he was running against in both elections was he ran a state for 5 years. When you run a state the size of Texas people tend to give merit to your ability to govern a nation if you can govern a state that size. He actually brought positive change to Texas if you can believe it, but I'll not defend Bush.

Now Bush has no concept of international affairs and granted his Presidency was scarred by 9/11 and his childish reaction to it, but let's not mix truths here. You are doing the same thing by using Bush's run as president as a means to an end, and that's what murdered the Democrats on Bush's second term run. Hilary has no merit. She's saying everything people want to hear and she's not sincere about any of it and she never has been. She's been a senator for almost 2 terms and has done nothing at all but vote this way or that, sometimes going against decisions she made months prior.

Either way she sank her own ship with this crying business and then to make such a ridiculous comparison between Barack and MLK is a despersate ploy to make the plight of women somehow more important then the plight of black people, of which Barack has yet to draw from.

[Light_Fantastic]

No sorry Jay the one thing Bush had over most if not all the candidates he was running against in both elections was he ran a state for 5 years. When you run a state the size of Texas people tend to give merit to your ability to govern a nation if you can govern a state that size. He actually brought positive change to Texas if you can believe it, but I'll not defend Bush.

Now Bush has no concept of international affairs and granted his Presidency was scarred by 9/11 and his childish reaction to it, but let's not mix truths here. You are doing the same thing by using Bush's run as president as a means to an end, and that's what murdered the Democrats on Bush's second term run. Hilary has no merit. She's saying everything people want to hear and she's not sincere about any of it and she never has been. She's been a senator for almost 2 terms and has done nothing at all but vote this way or that, sometimes going against decisions she made months prior.

Either way she sank her own ship with this crying business and then to make such a ridiculous comparison between Barack and MLK is a despersate ploy to make the plight of women somehow more important then the plight of black people, of which Barack has yet to draw from.

Yes, but in the end , the empty suit and rhetoric name Barack Obama will never be elected President. He is eloquent, and makes fiery speeches, but so far, I can't even begin to see what he stands for... The Republican machine will destroy him in the General. I read about all the dirt from the developer in Chicago he is friends with and secured millions in government contracts. Obama has played in the dirt in Chicago and it will come back to destroy him.

[DBoons Ghost]

Temporary misogyny isn't justifiable either. Maybe you should validate your dislike of her with actual analysis of her policies, not her being a woman. You, like the majority of the country, hate her without being able to rationally explain why.

I can explain why fully and completely.

Hilary Clinton became Senator because Rudy withdrew from the race with prostate cancer. Hilary won on the basis that she was a Clinton. Slick Willy remains my favorite Pres so it aint that. Even though Rick Lazio, who was an unknown, ran against her in place of Rudy, she didn't win by a huge margin. She won on the merit of her husband and the potential she had. Second term she ran against Jeanine Piro who's campaign was marred by dirt sligning and rightfully so as her hubby is a mobster.

However, she spent 36 million bucks on a seat in the senate. 36 million. That's retarded for a senate campaign.

In her first term, she did nothing. Nothing. She played the game as cautiously as she could. Sucking up here and there and never making a decision or doing anything to solve the issues NYers faced. She could have done something. After 9/11 Chuck Schumer attended nearly every funeral and publicly apologized to firemen and policemen's families and thanked the 9/11 rescue workers face to face with handshakes. Hilary stood in Washington DC and did nothing. Nothing at all. Actually, she did spend some of our money investigating the health concerns raised by 9/11 rescue workers but nothing she did ever amounted to a solution, and that fight is still ongoing, but she forgot all about it so she can run for President.

We can talk about her voting record in the senate if you like, but I'm fairly sure it will not please you. Flip flop, lie lie lie, flip flop.

She's funny that in her debates, which she did well in, was full of lies. She has yet to commit to any single issue that is a majority issue.

[DBoons Ghost]

Yes, but in the end , the empty suit and rhetoric name Barack Obama will never be elected President. He is eloquent, and makes fiery speeches, but so far, I can't even begin to see what he stands for... The Republican machine will destroy him in the General. I read about all the dirt from the developer in Chicago he is friends with and secured millions in government contracts. Obama has played in the dirt in Chicago and it will come back to destroy him.

Would you like to talk about how Hilary secured her funds? Half her suppliers are in jail already for fraud and securities fraud.

I'm not going to argue Barack versus Hilary here. The public can do that for us.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Hillary was one of the most violent pro-war politicians when it appeared advantageous to be so. Now, she is one of the most violent anti-war politicians because it appears advantageous to be so.

Coupled with her hard-on for gun control, universal health care, and banning of violent video games, and you can understand why I hate the bitch

[DBoons Ghost]

Excellent points above.

Remember also during the anti-video game issue, she totally bypassed the fact that even though the games were already rated M for mature, parents were still buying them for kids. That should have been the focus, but instead she still tried to go after Rockstar.

[guitrguy]

Yes, but in the end , the empty suit and rhetoric name Barack Obama will never be elected President. He is eloquent, and makes fiery speeches, but so far, I can't even begin to see what he stands for... The Republican machine will destroy him in the General. I read about all the dirt from the developer in Chicago he is friends with and secured millions in government contracts. Obama has played in the dirt in Chicago and it will come back to destroy him.

stfu up about rhetoric when thats all you're basing this post on.

[ringworm]

Remember also during the anti-video game issue, she totally bypassed the fact that even though the games were already rated M for mature, parents were still buying them for kids. That should have been the focus, but instead she still tried to go after Rockstar.
lol, i totally forgot she was behind some of that nonsense

kinda like how so many dont know or forgot Al Gore and his wife went after the music industry and put Twisted Sisters singer on the stand to ridicule him, only he was intelligent and basically pwned them, and hence the lable that guarantees an albums success, the explicit lyric sticker :p

[McP3000]

Hillary was one of the most violent pro-war politicians when it appeared advantageous to be so. Now, she is one of the most violent anti-war politicians because it appears advantageous to be so.

Coupled with her hard-on for gun control, universal health care, and banning of violent video games, and you can understand why I hate the bitch
I really do hate her too

[Light_Fantastic]

stfu up about rhetoric when thats all you're basing this post on.

Barack Obama will never be President of the United States.
As racist as it sounds, the country won't elect a black man or a women just yet.

[DBoons Ghost]

Barack Obama will never be President of the United States.
As racist as it sounds, the country won't elect a black man or a women just yet.

If Barack wins, promise to leave and never some back.

Promise. If he loses, I'll leave and never come back.

How's that for a bet?

[guitrguy]

Barack Obama will never be President of the United States.
As racist as it sounds, the country won't elect a black man or a women just yet.

If you believe that, then why is your head miles up her rectum?

[McP3000]

If you believe that, then why is your head miles up her rectum?
Its one of the few places it fits

[Light_Fantastic]

If you believe that, then why is your head miles up her rectum?

I said I though she was the best choice for President for right now. I didn't say she would win...
Still a long way to go.... who knows what will happen in a month or two.

[Light_Fantastic]

If Barack wins, promise to leave and never some back.

Promise. If he loses, I'll leave and never come back.

How's that for a bet?

ok, but I am sure gonna miss you...

Now this is only if Obama becomes President, not just wins the Democratic nomination...
And if he picks Hillary as his Vice-President, we both leave forever.

[DBoons Ghost]

Yea it was a joke. I wouldn't leave anyway and neither would you.

[Light_Fantastic]

Yea it was a joke. I wouldn't leave anyway and neither would you.

Yeah, you're right, but it was a good joke.

[Reaganista]

if dboon and jaylink left i wouldnt know what to do with myself

[Jharaski]

if dboon and jaylink left i wouldnt know what to do with myself

you could still make fun of me for things like being a fascist

[Give me Beer]

lol @ Barack Obama being seen as more humane. lol @ him appearing more humane being a factor in politics. Barack is just as much a politician and a political tool as Hillary Clinton. It's not in any way "smart" of any voting public to vote for somebody based on their charisma.

[guitrguy]

lol @ Barack Obama being seen as more humane. lol @ him appearing more humane being a factor in politics. Barack is just as much a politician and a political tool as Hillary Clinton. It's not in any way "smart" of any voting public to vote for somebody based on their charisma.

That can be said about any one running for any office...

[Against Miik!]

I can't see how large numbers of people still support her. She does not have one redeeming quality. She has bad policies, she's a liar, and, as you said DBoon, she has that sense of entitlement that just makes me sick. I at least see what people like about Barack. He's a pretty charming figure in politics, especially compared to the rest of the field. But if anybody would just hop on Judicial Watch for like a second, they would see that he made the list of top 10 most corrupt politicians of 2007. Not surprisingly Hilary topped that list.

Rudy and Huckabee are also on the list. I mean what the hell, are we that stupid? It's like, empirical evidence would tell me that the more corrupt a politician is, the more people like them, given that Giuliani, Huckabee, Hilary, and Barack are pretty much the four front runners.

link btw: http://judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007

[Against Miik!]

Sorry for double post, but this is my favorite from that list

6. Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.

I mean wow, I think thats really what we need in Washington, especially at the top. A man who is unethical to begin with, and who feels he does not have to answer to the public in regards to his ethics, or lack there of. Lets smash dissent, a grade A policy for any politician.

[McP3000]

Huckabee bugs the **** out of me.

I'm intensely interested in someone also explaining why Giuliani did so poorly in Iowa. Not that i support him, but i thought he was the frontrunner. :confused:

[guitrguy]

Guilliani was really only the media front runner.

[ringworm]

it was pleasant to see Guilliani & Hilary come out on the bottom, not that this will remain the order, but it was still nice :)

[McP3000]

Guilliani was really only the media front runner.
Eh, you would have thought the media had brainwashed us all by now.

but iowa doesnt have televisions so idk

[guitrguy]

Hilary made herself look like an *** who buckles at the face of setback. I doubt she getting back up from this.

[McP3000]

Hilary made herself look like an *** who buckles at the face of setback. I doubt she getting back up from this.
I hope she gets hit by a sniper rifle and her head explodes

[guitrguy]

I would watch it.

[Iskandar]

I read that a British bookie put the odds on Hilary beating Obama as being 12 to 1. He described Hilary's campaign as "toast."

That's encouraging.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I hope she gets hit by a sniper rifle and her head explodes

You mean a bullet, right?

[Cain]

Huckabee bugs the **** out of me.

I'm intensely interested in someone also explaining why Giuliani did so poorly in Iowa. Not that i support him, but i thought he was the frontrunner. :confused:

Giuliani basically skipped the caucus. He's relying on later-voting states such as Florida to secure his victory.

EDIT: While I am not at all thrilled at how Hillary is handling herself and I am a fervent Obama supporter, I do feel quite a few pangs of sadness for her situation right now. Nearly every criticism levelled at her display of emotion is totally sexist in nature. When Obama becomes passionate and fervent it's seen as unifying, whereas the media focuses on bug-eyed excerpts of "passionate Hillary" during Saturday's debates and all we see is a crazy bitch. It's unfair and totally representative of the lack of erosion of traditional gender roles in this country that Hillary can't do a goddamn thing right, not because she's a weak candidate.

Obama fills my heart with a hope for an America that is unified and which strives for the ideals it stands for, so he will be getting my vote: I don't want to be "seasoned" and have my expectations for politics be cynicised by the deplorable standard reality sets. I admit that. I also admit that Hillary doesn't thrill me in anywhere near the same way--she appears robotic and calculated and I am certain that she is very much so. But there IS a reason for that: she has to calculate what she does so carefully precisely because the American public is four times as unforgiving and scrutinous with her as any other candidate. It's a no-win. The moment of emotion therefore seemed very real to me, and inspired a lot of pity for her, because I believe her when she says she doesn't want us to slide backwards and believes in herself, and I believe she is wounded because nobody else does.

It won't affect my choice in this election but it's something to consider for the next time a female presidential candidate with promise appears.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Cain, you talk like a douche bag.

[Light_Fantastic]

Giuliani basically skipped the caucus. He's relying on later-voting states such as Florida to secure his victory.

EDIT: While I am not at all thrilled at how Hillary is handling herself and I am a fervent Obama supporter, I do feel quite a few pangs of sadness for her situation right now. Nearly every criticism levelled at her display of emotion is totally sexist in nature. When Obama becomes passionate and fervent it's seen as unifying, whereas the media focuses on bug-eyed excerpts of "passionate Hillary" during Saturday's debates and all we see is a crazy bitch. It's unfair and totally representative of the lack of erosion of traditional gender roles in this country that Hillary can't do a goddamn thing right, not because she's a weak candidate.

Obama fills my heart with a hope for an America that is unified and which strives for the ideals it stands for, so he will be getting my vote: I don't want to be "seasoned" and have my expectations for politics be cynicised by the deplorable standard reality sets. I admit that. I also admit that Hillary doesn't thrill me in anywhere near the same way--she appears robotic and calculated and I am certain that she is very much so. But there IS a reason for that: she has to calculate what she does so carefully precisely because the American public is four times as unforgiving and scrutinous with her as any other candidate. It's a no-win. The moment of emotion therefore seemed very real to me, and inspired a lot of pity for her, because I believe her when she says she doesn't want us to slide backwards and believes in herself, and I believe she is wounded because nobody else does.

It won't affect my choice in this election but it's something to consider for the next time a female presidential candidate with promise appears.
Awesome intelligent poster right here... There is some really sick shitt in this thread about Hillary, and it just shows how our young men of today are still brought up to be sexist and misogynistic.

[Cain]

Cain, you talk like a douche bag.

lol thanks so do you

let's be buddies

[guitrguy]

Awesome intelligent poster right here... There is some really sick shitt in this thread about Hillary, and it just shows how our young men of today are still brought up to be sexist and misogynistic.

Not all of us have a simple concept of the world. Sexist and misogynistic is just redundant.

[Cain]

Not all of us have a simple concept of the world. Sexist and misogynistic is just redundant.

What do you mean?

[Light_Fantastic]

Not all of us have a simple concept of the world. Sexist and misogynistic is just redundant.
Similar, but not the same

Sexism is commonly considered to be discrimination and/or hatred towards people based on their sex rather than their individual merits, but can also refer to any and all systemic differentiations based on the sex of the individuals.

Misogyny (pronounced /mɪˈsɒʤɪni/) is hatred or strong prejudice against women; an antonym of philogyny. Those holding misogynistic beliefs can be of either sex. Although misogyny is sometimes confused with misanthropy, the terms are not interchangeable, for the latter refers more generally to the hatred of humanity. A concept related to misogyny is gynophobia, the fear of women, but not necessarily hatred of them. The obsolete Latin language term horror feminae (literally "fear of women)[1] may be seen used as a synonym both for misogyny and gynophobia.

[guitrguy]

What do you mean?

Look at his previous abilities to post a defense. he has no real reason to use misogyny other then to fluff up his empty post.

He as also make a mere assumption that the only reason people dislike her on this forum is because of her sex.

[DBoons Ghost]

Cain, It's unfortunate you feel the opinions displayed by the criticism of Hilary end up being typically labeled as sexist and mysoginist. Geraldine Ferraro never cried when she lost, and she was tough as nails and won a lot of support. I loved her as did most of America. Maybe instead of being ignorant to the history of politics, look into Geraldine Ferraro. Hilary aint breaking ground here. Been there done that. There's no crying in politics. Plain and simple.


It's unfortunate people chose to use this as a soapbox to excuse Hilary's weakness as a leader, which has nothing to do with her being female. That's just comedy and if you're too much of a dick to handle it, so be it.

[Light_Fantastic]

Look at his previous abilities to post a defense. he has no real reason to use misogyny other then to fluff up his empty post.

He as also make a mere assumption that the only reason people dislike her on this forum is because of her sex.

lol:chug:

[DBoons Ghost]

lol:chug:

You can't discuss with emoticons you child.

You're awful!

At least grant the courtesy of a retort, no matter how stupid you end up looking.

Stick to rock and roll star dude. It suits you.

[guitrguy]

Stick to rock and roll star dude. It suits you.

In that internet anonymity kind of way.

[Light_Fantastic]

You can't discuss with emoticons you child.

You're awful!

At least grant the courtesy of a retort, no matter how stupid you end up looking.

Stick to rock and roll star dude. It suits you.
I used the smiley because GG has a habit of putting words in my mouth that aren't mine. He acts like he is the most brilliant mind on mx, and he is basically a troll. I will not respond with an answer any longer when someone speaks words that they presume are mine when they clearly are not.
I am not a rock star, I am a rock singer... that's all
I completely agree with Cain's post. That is my prerogative.

[DBoons Ghost]

I used the smiley because GG has a habit of putting words in my mouth that aren't mine. He acts like he is the most brilliant mind on mx, and he is basically a troll. I will not respond with an answer any longer when someone speaks words that they presume are mine when they clearly are not.
I am not a rock star, I am a rock singer... that's all
I completely agree with Cain's post. That is my prerogative.


Gotcha.

[guitrguy]

I used the smiley because GG has a habit of putting words in my mouth that aren't mine. He acts like he is the most brilliant mind on mx, and he is basically a troll. I will not respond with an answer any longer when someone speaks words that they presume are mine when they clearly are not.
I am not a rock star, I am a rock singer... that's all
I completely agree with Cain's post. That is my prerogative.

gtfo, you contribute nothing. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your posts about Hilary show that you are extremely biased, and are unwilling to accept the fact that she a horrible candidate. Her gender is irrelevant.

[Cain]

Cain, It's unfortunate you feel the opinions displayed by the criticism of Hilary end up being typically labeled as sexist and mysoginist. Geraldine Ferraro never cried when she lost, and she was tough as nails and won a lot of support. I loved her as did most of America. Maybe instead of being ignorant to the history of politics, look into Geraldine Ferraro. Hilary aint breaking ground here. Been there done that. There's no crying in politics. Plain and simple.

I was actually referring more to posts on the NY Times blog entry about the incident than anything here. Jaylink was the one who talked about it in the context of this thread.

It's unfortunate people chose to use this as a soapbox to excuse Hilary's weakness as a leader, which has nothing to do with her being female. That's just comedy and if you're too much of a dick to handle it, so be it.

Well, I never said I'd be voting for her--I'm not. But plenty of people put her under a more biased microscope than any other candidate. The bias may be political, it may be sexual, or whatever, but I believe it's elements of all of those things mixed together.

I even recognize it in myself. She doesn't remind me of a "woman" when she acts tough and seems false and ungenuine, but when she teared up, my immediate thought was "oh now look she's just another woman politician turning on the woman tears to appeal to people who criticized her for being too unemotional." Everything she does smacks people of falsehood and manipulation, and I suspect it's because something else is in play in people's heads. Maybe that's just my problem. I still don't like her and consider her totally unelectable and prefer Obama. But I wonder sometimes, reading how vicious some of those comments were on that link you posted to, just how much she deserves what she gets.

[Light_Fantastic]

gtfo, you contribute nothing. I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your posts about Hilary show that you are extremely biased, and are unwilling to expect the fact that she a horrible candidate. Her gender is irrelevant.

:chug:

*accept

[guitrguy]

You do have to admit she lets the stream carry her along. I see no real conviction in her, other than to be elected. Her voting records against her platforms shows how disingenuous she is.

:chug:

*accept
This is exactly why you need to leave. Do you have that little to contribute, that your only responses are pointing out mistypes and pasting google results?

[Light_Fantastic]

You do have to admit she lets the stream carry her along. I see no real conviction in her, other than to be elected. Her voting records against her platforms shows how disingenuous she is.


This is exactly why you need to leave.
GO away troll. Maybe you need to leave

Quit whining. You troll, you get trolled back.. Ignore me, and I will ignore you.

[J Rad]

Jay stop posting in the politics forum, you're not smart enough.

This isn't the pit so quit treating it like it is.

[Cain]

You do have to admit she lets the stream carry her along. I see no real conviction in her, other than to be elected. Her voting records against her platforms shows how disingenuous she is.

I totally agree. I think it's retarded how she's played the whole "Hop-on-the-change-train" thing only when the experience card caused her to lose in Iowa. And it's tons of other things, like the whole "Miss Bill? Vote Hill!" nonsense, that make me not want to vote for her, and these are all primary to the gender issue for me.

But all the same, her gender and the way her behavior intersects with the way her gender is generally viewed has a subtle effect on people's predisposition to dislike her. Obama talks about "Montgomery and Selma's legacy" and Frank Rich sucks on his toes in the NY Times op-ed the next day talking about how unifying and inspiring he is for referencing the civil rights struggle, whereas Hillary talks about the traditional "boys club" of the presidency and the media shrilly sounds off about how she's playing the gender card. I appreciate the free pass Obama's gotten because I want him to win, but I still recognize that it's a free pass.

[guitrguy]

GO away troll. Maybe you need to leave

Quit whining. You troll, you get trolled back.. Ignore me, and I will ignore you.
Like Jared said, this is not GD. I don't care how you post in GD in the slightest, but you do ruin any conversation in here.


But all the same, her gender and the way her behavior intersects with the way her gender is generally viewed has a subtle effect on people's predisposition to dislike her. Obama talks about "Montgomery and Selma's legacy" and Frank Rich sucks on his toes in the NY Times op-ed the next day talking about how unifying and inspiring he is for referencing the civil rights struggle, whereas Hillary talks about the traditional "boys club" of the presidency and the media shrilly sounds off about how she's playing the gender card. I appreciate the free pass Obama's gotten because I want him to win, but I still recognize that it's a free pass.
I agree as well. Obama is definitely not my first choice, but I have actually heard a plan from him, and seen some sort of consistency. I thinks its unfortunate his race and genre are brought up period, regardless if its positive or negative.

[Light_Fantastic]

I totally agree. I think it's retarded how she's played the whole "Hop-on-the-change-train" thing only when the experience card caused her to lose in Iowa. And it's tons of other things, like the whole "Miss Bill? Vote Hill!" nonsense, that make me not want to vote for her, and these are all primary to the gender issue for me.

But all the same, her gender and the way her behavior intersects with the way her gender is generally viewed has a subtle effect on people's predisposition to dislike her. Obama talks about "Montgomery and Selma's legacy" and Frank Rich sucks on his toes in the NY Times op-ed the next day talking about how unifying and inspiring he is for referencing the civil rights struggle, whereas Hillary talks about the traditional "boys club" of the presidency and the media shrilly sounds off about how she's playing the gender card. I appreciate the free pass Obama's gotten because I want him to win, but I still recognize that it's a free pass.

Obama's free pass will be over after tonight. The press and the Republicans will finally put him under a microscope and he will begin to unravel. I still think Senator Clinton will not just drop out after tonight, and she still shows a lot of good numbers in other states. I am sure she won't just fade away, and will play spoiler and a huge thorn in Obama's side after tonight in New Hampshire.

[Cain]

Obama's free pass will be over after tonight. The press and the Republicans will finally put him under a microscope and he will begin to unravel. I still think Senator Clinton will not just drop out after tonight, and she still shows a lot of good numbers in other states. I am sure she won't just fade away, and will play spoiler and a huge thorn in Obama's side after tonight in New Hampshire.

We'll see. It remains to be seen if Obama's message won't carry him all the way. The simple fact is, yes, he's significantly less experienced even than Bill Richardson, but what is drawing people to him is his aura of personal competency and self-awareness and knowledge. These give the impression that his powerful ideals and belief in the ability of sheer force of will to enact change can be perfectly married to advisers or close underlings who have the very experience he may lack, which is the opposite of another inexperienced dude who hired experienced underlings, one G.W. Bush (who pretty much was led by his advisers rather than the other way around). For instance, an Obama-Biden ticket would be unbeatable to me.

[Light_Fantastic]

We'll see. It remains to be seen if Obama's message won't carry him all the way. The simple fact is, yes, he's significantly less experienced even than Bill Richardson, but what is drawing people to him is his aura of personal competency and self-awareness and knowledge. These give the impression that his powerful ideals and belief in the ability of sheer force of will to enact change can be perfectly married to advisers or close underlings who have the very experience he may lack, which is the opposite of another inexperienced dude who hired experienced underlings, one G.W. Bush (who pretty much was led by his advisers rather than the other way around). For instance, an Obama-Biden ticket would be unbeatable to me.

True, there are some differences from GWB and Obama. Politics is a strange game for sure. I would not even count out the possibility of an Obama/Clinton ticket. He may ask her in private to drop out right away and offer her the Vice-Presidency as compensation.. Strange bedfellows .. Yes.. but politics in itself is strange.

[guitrguy]

What? how are Bush and Obama similar? An Obama/Clinton would be suicide for obama and the dems.

[Light_Fantastic]

62% of the New Hampshire vote is in.. Hillary is ahead by 4300 votes..

[McP3000]

62% of the New Hampshire vote is in.. Hillary is ahead by 4300 votes..
QUICK SOMEONE GET THE SNIPER READY

[guitrguy]

lmao

/pops popcorn

[Light_Fantastic]

Hillary Clinton Just won New Hampshire!!!! AMAZING

[Give me Beer]

That can be said about any one running for any office...

DING DING DING We have a winner.

[DBoons Ghost]

Looks like Hilary's crying ploy worked.

Even my wife called her a pussy bitch. The women of New Hampshire have spoken!

[Milestogo05]

lmao

[Matt?]

Looks like Hilary's crying ploy worked.

Even my wife called her a pussy bitch. The women of New Hampshire have spoken!

hahahah @ you

[Knifeboy]

Am I wrong in saying, technically Hilary didn't win, didn't she get the same amounts of points as Obama, so it's a tie?

I still don't really know how the primaries work

[DBoons Ghost]

Am I wrong in saying, technically Hilary didn't win, didn't she get the same amounts of points as Obama, so it's a tie?

I still don't really know how the primaries work

They sorta help the main parties decide who to nominate based on the states won.

[DBoons Ghost]

hahahah @ you

That's fine.

The republicans are dying for Hilary to win the Democratic nomination because they will slaughter her in the election.

It would be sad day.

[ringworm]

its cool/weird how different everyones ideals are from state to state

i wish that we could just get more turnout, the amounts that actually show up to vote are saddening, i would settle for any decision that i felt was a true representation of the how the entire public really felt

[DBoons Ghost]

I think this election will surprise a lot of people.

Everyone came out last election.. almost a record amount of voters. I think this election will be even better.

Too many people feel their vote is useless with the existence of the electoral college.

[guitrguy]

Even if she where to win the overall election, she is still the reps bff as far as dems go.

[UpperDecker]

They played this thing on the radio this morning where they played an Obama speach and then played a recording of the rock (the wrestler) talking during a match and they sounded exactly the same. Exactly.

[DBoons Ghost]

They played this thing on the radio this morning where they played an Obama speach and then played a recording of the rock (the wrestler) talking during a match and they sounded exactly the same. Exactly.

Well, can you smell what BaROCK is cookin? It smells like.. victory to me! Or is it change? Or maybe it's this sausage egg and cheese.. maybe I put to much hot sauce on it.

[guitrguy]

I could for a sausage, egg, and cheese biscuit right now. :thumb: on the hot sauce.

[DBoons Ghost]

I could for a sausage, egg, and cheese biscuit right now. :thumb: on the hot sauce.

Yeah baby! I went with a nice roll. Biscuits always fall apart on me.

[User Name]

I hate to ask a stupid off topic question, but why don't we just go by the popular vote only? Why have the electoral college at all?

[DBoons Ghost]

I hate to ask a stupid off topic question, but why don't we just go by the popular vote only? Why have the electoral college at all?

It's Uncle Sam's way of preventing the people from true democracy, and to prevent us from electing Mickey Mouse, which we could if not for the electoral college..

12th Amendment. Read it.

[User Name]

That sucks.
Alright cool I'll read up, thanks.

[McP3000]

The electoral college prevents the majority from electing just overly popular celebrities who have no political merit

but that would never happen so idk

[ringworm]

The electoral college prevents the majority from electing just overly popular celebrities who have no political merit

but that would never happen so idk
instead, they just use overly popular celebrities to fund the campaigns of people with no political merit lol :)

[guitrguy]

I would love to see massive campaign reform.

[Reaganista]

that's not really why we have the electoral college
not counting the fist 'election' ever the electors have never significantly departed from voting for the candidate they were assigned to vote

as in never more than a couple in any election and never in a manner than had any consequence even times when the election was really ****ed up like 1824 or 2000

the real reason it was created was to preserve the right of states to deny suffrage as they chose because electoral college votes were calculated by free men+free women+(black slaves*.6) and that number didn't change if you let more or less people vote

if this wasnt in place then a state could double their significance by letting women vote and it would be political suicide not to

now the only purpose it serves is to grant undue influence to states with low populations which is of course completely illogical but difficult to do away with due to said undue influence

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/ungod11/nbc_the_more_you_know.jpg

[DBoons Ghost]

I offered an attempted humorous summary but Tway wins. I offered rep but the love must be spread.

[ringworm]

wow, thats the first post in a long time of that calibre from tway

:)

[J Rad]

Hillary Clinton Just won New Hampshire!!!! AMAZING

It's amazing what happens when you cry on television for a few extra votes. Too bad she didn't really earn that win.

[ringworm]

isnt New Hampshire a tad loony anyway?

[Light_Fantastic]

It's amazing what happens when you cry on television for a few extra votes. Too bad she didn't really earn that win.


She won by almost 8,000 votes when Obama was supposed to beat her in double digits. She won by 3%. She earned every bit of that win. New Hampshire saw thru Obama's empty rhetoric.

[guitrguy]

She won by almost 8,000 votes when Obama was supposed to beat her in double digits. She won by 3%. She earned every bit of that win. New Hampshire saw thru Obama's empty rhetoric.

please explain his empty rhetoric.

[J Rad]

She won by almost 8,000 votes when Obama was supposed to beat her in double digits. She won by 3%. She earned every bit of that win. New Hampshire saw thru Obama's empty rhetoric.

What exactly has Obama said that is "empty rhetoric"? I'm getting the impression that you're just talking without putting any thought into what you're saying.

[DBoons Ghost]

I don't even think he knows what rhetoric is.

It was a very narrow victory. The pundits blew it and Hilary won on the pity of the female voters of New Hampshire because they all see her as a survivor and they played Gloria Gaynor in the background as a rally cry.

[guitrguy]

Probably not.

I troll for a reason!

[J Rad]

Ugh. It amuses me that one of the big stabs people like to make against Obama is that he's only getting votes because he's black.

Tbqh Hilary is only getting votes because she's a woman and her last name is Clinton. At least Obama has a plan.

[Mr. Ron]

Isn't Obama mulatto?

[Reaganista]

obama goes on and on about change but wont actually change much of anything

[J Rad]

Yeah his father was Kenyan and his mother was from the US.

@ Ron

[Light_Fantastic]

Wow, All you anti-Hillary guys are crying awful loud today...lol
I know exactly what rhetoric is..

Obama is the male Oprah of our political times and has presented no specifics on his core agenda for taking America onto a new course into a young 21 century. He offers nothing in critique of America's energy dependency on OPEC; he offers nothing about what his view is about Iran other than some weird, amorphous concept of dialogue, he offers nothing concrete at all about programs to effectively deal with a robber baron cult of rich and a middle class crumbling with a national education program deeper into football scholarships that math, science and understanding of history.

[Iskandar]

Where did you copy and paste that from?

[guitrguy]

obama goes on and on about change but wont actually change much of anything

Every candidate is running on some sort of a change platform.

[McP3000]

His dad was a black muslim and his mom is a white athiest.
He's a mulatto Christian. Go figure.

Anyway, he's better than Hillary of course, but i still find him as a political tool with no real substance to his words. I yet to hear a coherent political plan for a subject, and he continues to use buzz words incessantly.
But then again you can fool anyone with a talented speech writer.

[J Rad]

obama goes on and on about change but wont actually change much of anything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

[Mr. Ron]

The only thing that makes me like Hillary is her nationalized health care plans. Thats about it.

[McP3000]

Every candidate is running on some sort of a change platform.
Yeah, but he says that word the most, and by every candidate, i hope you mean every Democrat candidate.

[Reaganista]

Every candidate is running on some sort of a change platform.
ok

but obama keeps going on and on about change when he won't really change much of anything at all

[guitrguy]

ok

but obama keeps going on and on about change when he won't really change much of anything at all

really? because I really thought that.

[Reaganista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

ok and?

[Light_Fantastic]

He reminds me of a black baptist minister. Even his concession speech was full of nothing, Change, Change, I am fired up, change
What will he change? What can he hope to change in Washington?
Hope without a definitive plan is nothing. I hope I can earn a million dollars someday, but if I do nothing to make the hope a reality, then hope alone means nothing.

[Mr. Ron]

He reminds me of a black baptist minister. Even his concession speech was full of nothing, Change, Change, I am fired up, change
What will he change? What can he hope to change in Washington?
Hope without a definitive plan is nothing. I hope I can earn a million dollars someday, but if I do nothing to make the hope a reality, then hope alone means nothing.
who do you support?

[J Rad]

ok and?

Ok stay with me now I might be going too fast for you but - what makes Hilary worth voting for? She's filth.

[J Rad]

He reminds me of a black baptist minister. Even his concession speech was full of nothing, Change, Change, I am fired up, change
What will he change? What can he hope to change in Washington?
Hope without a definitive plan is nothing. I hope I can earn a million dollars someday, but if I do nothing to make the hope a reality, then hope alone means nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

[Iskandar]

who do you support?Hillary.

[guitrguy]

Wow, All you anti-Hillary guys are crying awful loud today...lol
I know exactly what rhetoric is..

Obama is the male Oprah of our political times and has presented no specifics on his core agenda for taking America onto a new course into a young 21 century. He offers nothing in critique of America's energy dependency on OPEC; he offers nothing about what his view is about Iran other than some weird, amorphous concept of dialogue, he offers nothing concrete at all about programs to effectively deal with a robber baron cult of rich and a middle class crumbling with a national education program deeper into football scholarships that math, science and understanding of history.

still waiting for you to post something, not plagiarize an idiot.

He reminds me of a black baptist minister. Even his concession speech was full of nothing, Change, Change, I am fired up, change
What will he change? What can he hope to change in Washington?
Hope without a definitive plan is nothing. I hope I can earn a million dollars someday, but if I do nothing to make the hope a reality, then hope alone means nothing.

funny how Hillary does the same thing.

[Light_Fantastic]

who do you support?

So far Hillary, but not 100%. I would really like to see Obama come up with some concrete definitive proposal on what he will do if he is elected President.
On the Republican side, everyone is weak...

[J Rad]

Jay doesn't know how to form his own thoughts and opinions. He relies on Google for that.

[DBoons Ghost]

Obama is the male Oprah of our political times and has presented no specifics on his core agenda for taking America onto a new course into a young 21 century. He offers nothing in critique of America's energy dependency on OPEC; he offers nothing about what his view is about Iran other than some weird, amorphous concept of dialogue, he offers nothing concrete at all about programs to effectively deal with a robber baron cult of rich and a middle class crumbling with a national education program deeper into football scholarships that math, science and understanding of history.

You're gone and dead to me.

You should have your privvies to this forum revoked for plagurizing.

Pathetic. You can't even formulate an original thought.

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/680928/ShowThread.aspx

Dissapointing JayLink.

[Mr. Ron]

bahahahaha

[guitrguy]

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

refuting the opec comment.


I bet Jaylink can't even explain how the republican candidates are weak.

[J Rad]

Christ almighty, Jay is exposed for being an idiot once again. If this is what the average Clinton supporter is like it sure does explain a lot.

[Light_Fantastic]

You're gone and dead to me.

You should have your privvies to this forum revoked for plagurizing.

Pathetic. You can't even formulate an original thought.

http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/680928/ShowThread.aspx

Dissapointing JayLink.

I never said I wrote it, I fully agree with it and read Slate, First Read and The Caucus religiously. The thoughts mirror mine exactly.
So get over it Hillary Haters..

[Reaganista]

remember when siva chair got caught copypastaing pages at a time from some psychobabble bullshit book that was good times

i still like jaylink despite this

[Mr. Ron]

plagiarism!

plaaaaaagiarism!

[guitrguy]

I never said I wrote it, I fully agree with it and read Slate, First Read and The Caucus religiously. The thoughts mirror mine exactly.
So get over it Hillary Haters..

so you're a tool and a plagiarizer.

[J Rad]

I never said I wrote it, I fully agree with it and read Slate, First Read and The Caucus religiously. The thoughts mirror mine exactly.
So get over it Hillary Haters..

You also did not cite it which is plagiarism, you fat dolt.

[Light_Fantastic]

remember when siva chair got caught copypastaing pages at a time from some psychobabble bullshit book that was good times

i still like jaylink despite this


Thank's Tway, I am sure no one has ever copy and pasted anything. I did not claim I was the Author, so there is no plagiarism.
Hillary taught me that!!

[DBoons Ghost]

I never said I wrote it, I fully agree with it and read Slate, First Read and The Caucus religiously. The thoughts mirror mine exactly.
So get over it Hillary Haters..

At least cite a source.

You didn't.

Absolute fail. Fail! If no one caught it you'd have claimed it as your own.

FAIL JAY LINK! YOU FAIL AT ROCK AND ROLL STARDOM AND YOU FAIL AT FORUMS.

[J Rad]

Thank's Tway, I am sure no one has ever copy and pasted anything. I did not claim I was the Author, so there is no plagiarism.
Hillary taught me that!!

Um no, it's still plagiarism because you didn't cite it and you displayed it as your own thoughts and opinion in the middle of this discussion.

Plagiarism

1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

[Light_Fantastic]

At least cite a source.

You didn't.

Absolute fail. Fail! If no one caught it you'd have claimed it as your own.

FAIL JAY LINK! YOU FAIL AT ROCK AND ROLL STARDOM AND YOU FAIL AT FORUMS.
I would have never claimed it as my own...
I would rather be a failure at eveything than vote for Obama....

[guitrguy]

Thank's Tway, I am sure no one has ever copy and pasted anything. I did not claim I was the Author, so there is no plagiarism.
Hillary taught me that!!

You obviously never went to college. Normally I copy and paste into a quote box and provide a link to where I got it.

[Light_Fantastic]

Um no, it's still plagiarism because you didn't cite it and you displayed it as your own thoughts and opinion in the middle of this discussion.

Go away Jared.. Maybe the guy will sue me now huh?

Oh shi, he just sent me an email... he does want to sue me...

I bet it was one of you guys who reported me huh?

[Iskandar]

It's dishonest.

[ringworm]

Every candidate is running on some sort of a change platform.

i wish i could find a stat for how many times they said "change" at the last Dem debate, it was frikin hilarious

[guitrguy]

i wish i could find a stat for how many times they said "change" at the last Dem debate, it was frikin hilarious

Funny thing is the republicans use it too. I think Romney uses it the most out of republicans.

It's dishonest.

And reflects his lack of knowledge.

[Aficionado]

seriously though

The american electoral process doesn't make sense to me, especially the incredibly stupid electoral college.

[J Rad]

Go away Jared.. Maybe the guy will sue me now huh?

Oh shi, he just sent me an email... he does want to sue me...

I bet it was one of you guys who reported me huh?

So what you're saying is, if there's no legal ramification then it isn't wrong? Good job looking more and more like a scumbag with every post you make.

[Light_Fantastic]

It's dishonest.

it's also rude and illegal Alex, but the most obvious thing is it puts all the attention on me and takes it off Hillary's magnificent victory in New Hampshire which is what this thread is supposed to be about

[DBoons Ghost]

I would have never claimed it as my own...
I would rather be a failure at eveything than vote for Obama....

Your ignorance is astounding.

This is no longer about Hilary or Obama.

This is about your failure. You, and the word failure are like peanut butter and jelly.

Your voting privileges should be revoked. You're too stupid to vote. As soon as you pasted it into your post, and didn't add some quote tags with Slate as your source, you failed.

[Iskandar]

Funny thing is the republicans use it too. I think Romney uses it the most out of republicans.A neoconservative is really going to change things in America.

Romney 08

[guitrguy]

it's also rude and illegal Alex, but the most obvious thing is it puts all the attention on me and takes it off Hillary's magnificent victory in New Hampshire which is what this thread is supposed to be about

You miss the point of this forum completely. Go back to GD.

[Iskandar]

Edwards 08

:(

[Light_Fantastic]

Your ignorance is astounding.

This is no longer about Hilary or Obama.

This is about your failure. You, and the word failure are like peanut butter and jelly.

Your voting privileges should be revoked. You're too stupid to vote. As soon as you pasted it into your post, and didn't add some quote tags with Slate as your source, you failed.

Please DBoon try to forgive me, I can't live without your approval...:p

[guitrguy]

Edwards 08

:(

eh, he might espouse more liberal views, but man, his hypocrisy kills me.

[Light_Fantastic]

Edwards 08

:(
Edwards is not completely out of the race yet. I feel he is drawing quite a few votes from Obama at this time. In regards to his chances, they are slim, but he is still a viable candidate and finished a strong third place

[DBoons Ghost]

Please DBoon try to forgive me, I can't live without your approval...:p

Yea spin out of this one with cheap mocks.

I don't care Jay. I am not the protector of internets.

I just know not to believe a word you post. That especially goes for your illusions of celebrity grandeur.

You're a fake and a fraud dude. Shame.

[J Rad]

Jay this is why I told you to stop posting in here. If you're not smart enough to form your own thoughts you aren't smart enough to have a respected opinion and need to shut up and ship out.

[Light_Fantastic]

Yea spin out of this one with cheap mocks.

I don't care Jay. I am not the protector of internets.

I just know not to believe a word you post. That especially goes for your illusions of celebrity grandeur.

You're a fake and a fraud dude. Shame.
I am a fake and a fraud. Can you ever forgive me..
It's the internet.

Jared, you can't argue me out of posting here, so don't bother...

[Iskandar]

eh, he might espouse more liberal views, but man, his hypocrisy kills me.I do question how genuine he is, but still, nobody else is talking about important issues like the middle class, poverty and corporate influence on government.

He's a far better candidate than Hillary, but he can't compete with her name recognition and funds.

[J Rad]

I am a fake and a fraud. Can you ever forgive me..
It's the internet.

Jared, you can't argue me out of posting here, so don't bother...

This is not the goddamn Pit, Jay.

[Light_Fantastic]

Your sense of entitlement has been your downfall you rancid carpetbagging whore. There's no crying in politics. There's no reason to lash out at Barack for being sincere and humane when you're a robotic poll taking mole rat. Let this be a lesson to you. The American people are not as stupid as you think. They saw through your lies and your phoniness and your robotic speeches. You don't deserve anything. You have to earn it, and you my dear, just haven't earned it yet nor will you ever. Just because you realized a little too late what it is to be humane in your dealings doesn't mean you get to cry for pity and sympathy, and then have the audacity to claim Obama is trying to be like the good Dr King. You're full of crap lady. You have been playing follow the leader since you wrapped yourself around Slick Willy, hoping to cash in on that venture from day one. You are not capable of love. You only had one kid so a family wouldn't interfere with your personal desires, you selfish liar. Your stint in the senate which will end now that people have seen through your lies has been playing the "game". Not going for change. You voted in all the bills you thought people wanted, and have yet to make a decision for the better common good of all the people of NY but only to protect yourself as you tiptoe around Washington.


Do us all a favor and get out of politics.

So, it seems DBoon likes Hillary even less than me??
Now, since I wanted to re read this again, was it illegal to copypasta it, and should I have mentioned DBoon as the author?

Rememeber, I am a failure and a fraud and new to this internet thing.

[ringworm]

Funny thing is the republicans use it too. I think Romney uses it the most out of republicans
lol, i know, but not like Hilary, Obama & Edwards did recently

Colbert had a clip, the number of times they said it during one debate was immense :)
seriously though

The american electoral process doesn't make sense to me, especially the incredibly stupid electoral college.
thats why so many just dont bother

[Iskandar]

thats why so many just dont botherThen there's the two-party system.

and the fact that religious-nut neocons are probably going to win anyway

[DBoons Ghost]

So, it seems DBoon likes Hillary even less than me??
Now, since I wanted to re read this again, was it illegal to copypasta it, and should I have mentioned DBoon as the author?

Rememeber, I am a failure and a fraud and new to this internet thing.

Yeah I don't care anymore Jay. I'm not a mod and it's their site you're wasting space on not mine. No one pays for membership here. It is what it is.

I've put up with worse. We all have. You're nothing special.

[guitrguy]

Your sense of entitlement has been your downfall you rancid carpetbagging whore. There's no crying in politics. There's no reason to lash out at Barack for being sincere and humane when you're a robotic poll taking mole rat. Let this be a lesson to you. The American people are not as stupid as you think. They saw through your lies and your phoniness and your robotic speeches. You don't deserve anything. You have to earn it, and you my dear, just haven't earned it yet nor will you ever. Just because you realized a little too late what it is to be humane in your dealings doesn't mean you get to cry for pity and sympathy, and then have the audacity to claim Obama is trying to be like the good Dr King. You're full of crap lady. You have been playing follow the leader since you wrapped yourself around Slick Willy, hoping to cash in on that venture from day one. You are not capable of love. You only had one kid so a family wouldn't interfere with your personal desires, you selfish liar. Your stint in the senate which will end now that people have seen through your lies has been playing the "game". Not going for change. You voted in all the bills you thought people wanted, and have yet to make a decision for the better common good of all the people of NY but only to protect yourself as you tiptoe around Washington.


Do us all a favor and get out of politics.

So, it seems DBoon likes Hillary even less than me??
Now, since I wanted to re read this again, was it illegal to copypasta it, and should I have mentioned DBoon as the author?

Rememeber, I am a failure and a fraud and new to this internet thing.god, how do you even know how to breath?

[J Rad]

Jared, you can't argue me out of posting here, so don't bother...

Nope, but I can get you banned.

[ringworm]

and the fact that religious-nut neocons are probably going to win anyway
i really cant beleive we'd put another radical like Bush & his admin in office again, but you're probably right :(

unless some miracle happens with Ron Paul (lol) I guess Obama has my vote to date? then maybe Edwards

I refuse to vote republican unless its Paul

[guitrguy]

lol, i know, but not like Hilary, Obama & Edwards did recently

Colbert had a clip, the number of times they said it during one debate was immense :)

I haven't watched Colbert in so long. :(

i really cant beleive we'd put another radical like Bush & his admin in office again, but you're probably right :(

unless some miracle happens with Ron Paul (lol) I guess Obama has my vote to date? then maybe Edwards

I refuse to vote republican unless its Paul

Paul is really only libertarian economically though. He'll wreak havoc on the supreme court.

[thunderzstruck]

Go away Jared.. Maybe the guy will sue me now huh?

Oh shi, he just sent me an email... he does want to sue me...

I bet it was one of you guys who reported me huh?

grace will though..

[McP3000]

I haven't watched Colbert in so long. :(



Paul is really only libertarian economically though. He'll wreak havoc on the supreme court.
What
He is a libertarian to the core. The Supreme Court deals a lot more with social issues, which he is fairly level-headed and liberal about.

sooo...what are you getting at

EDIT: JAYLINK IST BANNED

[Iskandar]

Ron Paul is more liberal than the other Republicans, but that isn't saying much.

He's not extremely liberal. He's anti-abortion, among other things.

[guitrguy]

Ron Paul is more liberal than the other Republicans, but that isn't saying much.

He's not extremely liberal. He's anti-abortion, among other things.

I'm hard pressed to call him a social libertarian when he takes stances like that on key issues.

He would nominated social conservative judges, thats the only way he could overturn Roe v. Wade

[Shell]

Doesn't he have to have Senate approval to appoint a judge though?

[Chrysostom]

There has been either a Bush or Clinton in office since I was born and if Hillary was "elected", it'd leave room for another Bush to make a run into office to keep the oil profits up.

It always strikes me as remarkable how similar the US and the ancient Roman Republic are, in some respects. Your political dynasties being an obvious similarity.

[McP3000]

It always strikes me as remarkable how similar the US and the ancient Roman Republic are, in some respects. Your political dynasties being an obvious similarity.
Wow, one **** up follows his dad, and one guy's bitch **** up wife might follow her husband...and now they're dynasties

hmmmpfff

[ringworm]

He's anti-abortion, among other things.

that is a minus, allthough i wish for it to not be, it is an essential service, i hate the fact its even needed, thats an ugly topic for me

[J Rad]

I think being anti-abortion can be a good trait, as long as the "with the exception of sexual assault pregnancies and life endangering births" is kept in mind. Being completely against abortion is silly.

[Iskandar]

I'm all for abortion.

[J Rad]

My ex wanted to get back together with me not too long ago and I found out she was pregnant so I said, "hey no way I don't want no baby drama" and then she went and got an abortion in the middle of her second trimester and I told her she disgusted me and I didn't want anything to do with her anymore.

I really don't like abortion.

[Iskandar]

Better than having an unwanted child.

[J Rad]

That's what adoption agencies are for.

Smart people don't get unnecessary abortions.

[Iskandar]

That's what adoption agencies are for.

Smart people don't get unnecessary abortions.Adoption is no guarantee of a good life.

But smart people don't get pregnant except by a true accident (they were taking all the right precautions) which is extremely rare.

[J Rad]

Adoption is no guarantee of a good life.

That's true, but it's certainly got a higher success rate in that respect than abortion.

But smart people don't get pregnant except by a true accident (they were taking all the right precautions) which is extremely rare.

Yeah, which is why smart people also don't have abortions.

[Iskandar]

That's true, but it's certainly got a higher success rate in that respect than abortion.Abortion ends life.
Yeah, which is why smart people also don't have abortions.It's possible to conceive while using protection, so it'd be more correct to say that smart people rarely ever have abortions.

[J Rad]

Abortion ends life.

And thus makes it impossible to acquire a good life. See?

It's possible to conceive while using protection, so it'd be more correct to say that smart people rarely ever have abortions.

k I agree

[Iskandar]

And thus makes it impossible to acquire a good life. See?Or a bad one.

[J Rad]

A toss of the dice is better than a forfeit.

[guitrguy]

Doesn't he have to have Senate approval to appoint a judge though?

He does, buts its not that hard to push you're nominee through.
A toss of the dice is better than a forfeit.

So playing russian Roulette is better than abstaining?

[Against Miik!]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/thats-it-jon-stewart-_n_80749.html

don't know if this has been posted, but lol anyways

And on the topic of abortion, lets at least be consistent here. If a man murders a pregnant woman, he gets charged with a double homicide. If a doctor accidentally kills a baby during delivery or at any other time during pregnancy, I'm pretty sure he can be prosecuted, or a least sued. So, for at least for the sake of consistency, wh is it legal for a woman to kill a baby for no other reason than the fact that she doesn't want it? O I know, it's her body and all.

[DBoons Ghost]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/thats-it-jon-stewart-_n_80749.html

don't know if this has been posted, but lol anyways

That's absolutely hysterical.

Poor Rudy though. I never would have thought him capable of such low brow pandering.

It's a bit over the top that people were comparing Hilary nearly coming to tears to the Dean Scream. Howard Dean was a pretty good man until that one moment of overzealous enthusiasm unravelled his entire political career.

But if any of the men nearly came to tears it would have been their end just the same. So there is a double standard, and it almost proves that it's reverse sexism in a way.

[Against Miik!]

Well that, but lets not forget that it was probably completely faked, and Hilary was just playing on the fact that she is a woman to get sympathy or something. There is audio of her out there adopting different accents depending on who she is speaking to. She is very good at that. It just proves the fact that she is actually a robot. Her robot voice can be heard when she is talking in the debates. I didn't know robots could even fake tears though. Thats pretty amazing.

Example of how fake this bitch is: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UD7K4BK4exc

[guitrguy]

hahah god Rudy can't stay away from 9/11 for more than a sentence

[Shell]

Ok I don't like Hillary or anything, but I've noticed a few people are complaining about her changing her opinions now vs. prior based on what is popular. Isn't that what a political representative should do? I'm not saying that is what Hillary is doing, because tbh I don't pay any attention. But I think there are a lot of people out there (myself included) whose ideas and opinions have changed over the past 8 years or so... why shouldn't the politicians change with what is popular?

[guitrguy]

Ok I don't like Hillary or anything, but I've noticed a few people are complaining about her changing her opinions now vs. prior based on what is popular. Isn't that what a political representative should do? I'm not saying that is what Hillary is doing, because tbh I don't pay any attention. But I think there are a lot of people out there (myself included) whose ideas and opinions have changed over the past 8 years or so... why shouldn't the politicians change with what is popular?
There is difference between a natural change in ideals and change for the sake pandering votes. Given how quick she changes her views, its pretty safe to say thats she doing the latter.

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/09/thats-it-jon-stewart-_n_80749.html

don't know if this has been posted, but lol anyways



BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[DBoons Ghost]

Ok I don't like Hillary or anything, but I've noticed a few people are complaining about her changing her opinions now vs. prior based on what is popular. Isn't that what a political representative should do? I'm not saying that is what Hillary is doing, because tbh I don't pay any attention. But I think there are a lot of people out there (myself included) whose ideas and opinions have changed over the past 8 years or so... why shouldn't the politicians change with what is popular?

That's actually a fair observation.

When a candidate flip flops to the general consensus of what's popular from what was once their firm belief it can be construed as a sign of being full of crap. You vote for a candidate who will be firm on an issue regardless of the popularity of it, because running a country is not always about pleasing the people but also about making difficult decisions in order to maintain the quality of life. Of course we vote for a candidate who's concern for the issues more closely matches our own, so that we live in the country we envisioned.

A good example/bad example of that is something along the lines of discussing repairing the levees in Lousiana. I'm sure the popular thing to do would have been to repair them saving lives and billions of dollars of repair to New Orleans, but Dubya took the risk and played the percentages to do what's right for the country with the money. (Or wrong, in his case)

As a leader of a nation you'll have to make decisions based on risk all the time. The risk will contain loss of life versus continuity of government. So if you had to tell your cabinet that while we'll lose 1 million people to save 100 million, how you gonna act? You want someone who will cave to the popular opinion and inevitably lose or someone who can stick to his guns and make the decision that isn't popular but right for the well being and future of life and all that crap?

I hope I explained that well.

[J Rad]

So playing russian Roulette is better than abstaining?

We were discussing abortion, not abstinence. There's nothing wrong with abstinence because no one is being killed in the process.

[Smokey D]

Well that, but lets not forget that it was probably completely faked, and Hilary was just playing on the fact that she is a woman to get sympathy or something. There is audio of her out there adopting different accents depending on who she is speaking to. She is very good at that. It just proves the fact that she is actually a robot. Her robot voice can be heard when she is talking in the debates. I didn't know robots could even fake tears though. Thats pretty amazing.

Lots of people swap accents depending on who their talking to, and most of them do it completely unconsciously.

[guitrguy]

We were discussing abortion, not abstinence. There's nothing wrong with abstinence because no one is being killed in the process.

Abstaining from Russian roulette. I was making a point of how I can charge the same analogy in way thats suits me.

[Reaganista]

Ok I don't like Hillary or anything, but I've noticed a few people are complaining about her changing her opinions now vs. prior based on what is popular. Isn't that what a political representative should do? I'm not saying that is what Hillary is doing, because tbh I don't pay any attention. But I think there are a lot of people out there (myself included) whose ideas and opinions have changed over the past 8 years or so... why shouldn't the politicians change with what is popular?
it's a catch 22 that you can catch any politician in but it's almost always better to switch to the popular position than stick to an unpopular
the only people who harp on this change are people who hate the candidate anyway for some other reason
in this case because she's a woman

There is difference between a natural change in ideals and change for the sake pandering votes.
no there isnt

[guitrguy]

yes there is

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

in this case because she's a woman

No.

[Reaganista]

obviously you wouldnt admit to it since you'd like drooling baboons arguing from misogyny
but ya you are

yes there is
how

[guitrguy]

One is natural experience and not motivated by a lust for power, as opposed to stating a stance for the sake of a vote.

[Reaganista]

One is natural experience and not motivated by a lust for power, as opposed to stating a stance for the sake of a vote.
how does that effect me at all
why is "lust for power" bad
why do you hate women

[guitrguy]

idk how about not trying to bait me into logical fallacy.

[Reaganista]

uh how bout responding

[guitrguy]

I will when you stop trying to bait me into topics that have nothing to do with what I said.

[Reaganista]

ok
how does that effect me at all
why is "lust for power" bad
why do you hate women

[guitrguy]

I didn't say it effected you.
gee i dunno thousand years of history might give you an answer

[Shell]

That's actually a fair observation.

When a candidate flip flops to the general consensus of what's popular from what was once their firm belief it can be construed as a sign of being full of crap. You vote for a candidate who will be firm on an issue regardless of the popularity of it, because running a country is not always about pleasing the people but also about making difficult decisions in order to maintain the quality of life. Of course we vote for a candidate who's concern for the issues more closely matches our own, so that we live in the country we envisioned.

A good example/bad example of that is something along the lines of discussing repairing the levees in Lousiana. I'm sure the popular thing to do would have been to repair them saving lives and billions of dollars of repair to New Orleans, but Dubya took the risk and played the percentages to do what's right for the country with the money. (Or wrong, in his case)

As a leader of a nation you'll have to make decisions based on risk all the time. The risk will contain loss of life versus continuity of government. So if you had to tell your cabinet that while we'll lose 1 million people to save 100 million, how you gonna act? You want someone who will cave to the popular opinion and inevitably lose or someone who can stick to his guns and make the decision that isn't popular but right for the well being and future of life and all that crap?

I hope I explained that well.

I wonder what would happen if a candidate ever ran for office on the platform that he would always vote whichever way his constituents wanted... regardless of his own personal beliefs. It would be kinda impossible in any national position, but maybe a US or state senator.

It would be kinda hard to pull off, but would be neat to see someone do it.

[Reaganista]

I didn't say it effected you.

if it doesnt effect me then there's no difference


gee i dunno thousand years of history might give you an answergee you dont know

I wonder what would happen if a candidate ever ran for office on the platform that he would always vote whichever way his constituents wanted... regardless of his own personal beliefs. It would be kinda impossible in any national position, but maybe a US or state senator.

It would be kinda hard to pull off, but would be neat to see someone do it.
eh it makes you seem weak it's better to just appear to have coincidentally arrived at ridiculously moderate positions on every issue
that's for presidential elections

also this was the justification used by strom thurmond and the rest of the segregationists who survived the civil rights movement, before blacks were allowed to vote they were prosegregation, afterwards they became pro civil rights since they suddenly had huge black constituencies
not that that makes it necessarily bad just sayin it's come up before when there was a sudden major change in a politician's stances

[guitrguy]

if it doesnt effect me then there's playing stupid fits you well.
gee you dont know

would it really matter what i said? I would see response similar to that regardless.

[Reaganista]

playing stupid fits you well.
ok how about a response


would it really matter what i said? I would see response similar to that regardless.
ya you could say 'it's not bad necessarily'
and then i would congratulations you get a gold star! now stop hating women

[guitrguy]

I only hate women that had the username tway before.

[Reaganista]

why are you making this so difficult

[guitrguy]

I'm keeping it simple homes.