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Flagjacket

11-07-2007, 02:26 PM

So the "What are you listening to" has some talk about the new Wu Tang album, so lets talk about that.

Anyone else not too hyped on Guitar Gently Weeps? But the album is going to be cool I hope.

Henrik

11-07-2007, 03:05 PM

I'm looking for a good Xzibit album, if such a thing exists.
I really like his voice.

SugarCoatedSour

11-07-2007, 03:12 PM

go to allmusic.com and look him up. I suggest fanning out your taste of rap/hip-hop. You'll start to see that good rap probably died around '99

Flagjacket

11-07-2007, 03:59 PM

go to allmusic.com and look him up. I suggest fanning out your taste of rap/hip-hop. You'll start to see that good rap probably died around '99

Allmusic is not a bad place to look, but what you said about "good rap" dying is totally false.

And Hernik try out Restless or Full Circle, they're the only two X albums I've heard but I'm not big on his ****.

BarrenFields

11-07-2007, 04:13 PM

dude anything mid-late 90's coming out of NYC is ****ing badass.

like mobb deep, biggie, big pun... just to name a few.

Anarcho Poser

11-07-2007, 04:18 PM

Soulja boy up in this HOE!
Watch me crank it, watch me ROLL!

ZaaR

11-07-2007, 04:31 PM

get $$$ **** bitches

lol lil wayne

AndreTheHyena

11-07-2007, 08:23 PM

I have the new Snoop Dogg, and I haven't fully absorbed it yet, but "Beat Up On Yo Pads" is one of the weirdest songs he's ever done. I love that man.

Not so stoked on the new Wu Tang, but I could never get into them.

Flagjacket

11-07-2007, 09:06 PM

By new Snoop you mean the album that came out over a year ago?

Beat Up On Yo Pads and Imagine are the only tracks I enjoy off that album.

Eliminator

11-07-2007, 09:09 PM

get $$$ **** bitches

lol lil wayne

dont front

Weezerfan_returns

11-08-2007, 01:03 AM

I like rap music, and the Wu Tang, but why is this shi'tty thread in the punk forum?

Henrik

11-08-2007, 03:51 AM

Because many of the punk regs like rap too.

albert_bass

11-08-2007, 09:22 AM

Allmusic is not a bad place to look, but what you said about "good rap" dying is totally false.

And Hernik try out Restless or Full Circle, they're the only two X albums I've heard but I'm not big on his ****.

Good mainstream rap dying in the 90's is totally true though.

Feel The Darkness

11-08-2007, 10:05 AM

Soulja Boy's the modern day rap hokey pokey. dude's a douche.

I dig the new Wu tracks. Def looking forward to the new album.

what's w/ this beef Ghost has w/ some of the other Wu? they got some blog posted on the myspace about some shi.

Flagjacket

11-08-2007, 02:15 PM

Good mainstream rap dying in the 90's is totally true though.

You guys mainstream rap doesn't necessarily mean poor lyricism, just lyricism pertaining to different subject matter. Not saying a lot of that Gorilla Zoe **** isn't garbage but you can't tell me Duffle Bag Boys isn't cold.

What is good and not good is basically opinion, but people act like the **** around right now barely even counts as hip-hop, which has actually been happening since the 90s.

albert_bass

11-08-2007, 02:40 PM

I don't know any of those bands. In my country ALL mainstream hip-hop and rap in the last I'd even say 10 years sucked.

Flagjacket

11-08-2007, 03:53 PM

Who's hot in Spain?

Ghostfire3

11-08-2007, 03:54 PM

Gerardo (the guy who did "Rico Suave")

albert_bass

11-08-2007, 04:05 PM

Who's hot in Spain?

Well right now there's not any rap on the radio but what I can remember from the last years is Nelly, Eminem, Black Eyed Peas, 50 Cent and stuff like that plus some spanish bands who are pure crap.

There's some good hip-hop though but it's very underground.

Flagjacket

11-08-2007, 04:47 PM

Eminem has always been solid. but if those dudes are the only ones you can remember from recent time I can see what you mean.

Someone asked about that Ghostface beef up there, this might be of interest to you.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.5934/title.raekwon-airs-out-rza

also I'm pretty sure none of you will care but Public Enemy #1 e-dropped last night here it is as well: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/features/id.921/title.free-download-camron-public-enemy-1

albert_bass

11-08-2007, 05:11 PM

Yeah, Eminem is the only one I kinda like from all I can remember. I like some of his songs every once in a while and Marshal Matters LP is a pretty cool album.

CameoRole

11-09-2007, 07:35 AM

I wouldn't be concerned with any Wu beef. It's been on since the group pretty much started in one way or another and, as has been stated before, Ghostface and Raekwon "don't like anyone." They're just being they're usual, bragadocious, delf.

On that note, I'm so pscyhed for the album. Watch Yr Mouth aint great but I dig The Heart Gently Weeps more and more. RZA has always been upping his game and he hasn't made a 36 Chambers style, dirty raw sound production, since the first round of Wu albums, so that's not even a concern. And Only Built II is gonna be ill and Ghostface has put out two good albums lately so there's high hopes there and new INS, shrug. I'm looking forward to a Wu monopoly of the charts.

And how about Lupe, Kanye, and Pharrell?

ZaaR

11-09-2007, 06:24 PM

i've been listenin to alot of NWA and immortal technique lately. good ****

Elliptical Ion

11-09-2007, 07:01 PM

I've been listening to a lot of Mars Ill lately.

Flagjacket

11-09-2007, 08:12 PM

I'm looking forward to a Wu monopoly of the charts.

And how about Lupe, Kanye, and Pharrell?

Dude the way record sales are and the way hip-hop charts combined, a Wu chart monopoly is about as likely as Tupac and Mozart laying down a track on the album.

Only Kanye makes good music out of those three, Pharrell hasn't made a good song since Drop It Like It's Hot. Lupe is boring 80% of the time.

Graffito

11-09-2007, 09:49 PM

Necro, Tupac, Public Enemy, Notorious B.I.G., NWA.

Ghostfire3

11-09-2007, 11:51 PM

obese_breasts

11-10-2007, 01:54 AM

Blackalicious

Apocalyptic Raids

11-10-2007, 02:29 AM

Common is okay, a bit boring though.

Cocaine

11-10-2007, 03:00 AM

Resurrection is not boring. Finding Forever sucks, Be is kind of lame but yeah, Resurrection is still great. Like Water for Chocolate is good too.

i am the robots

11-10-2007, 03:59 AM

El Nino by Def Squad is possibly the best rap album.

CameoRole

11-10-2007, 02:04 PM

Dude the way record sales are and the way hip-hop charts combined, a Wu chart monopoly is about as likely as Tupac and Mozart laying down a track on the album.

Only Kanye makes good music out of those three, Pharrell hasn't made a good song since Drop It Like It's Hot. Lupe is boring 80% of the time.

If Wu is solid, which I don't expect them not to be, then they can dominate. Though they haven't been around for a while, except for Ghost, they always sell well. Meth had no promo and his record made it in the top 10 of the charts. When Wu is good, Wu sells. Even if the commercial hip hop game ain't nothin' special, Wu pulls through and people buy it.

I personally don't care for Pharrell, but I think Lupe is pretty good and is a breath of fresh air. I'm more excited for him + Kanye. And their single/only released song so far sampled Thom Yorke so that's cool. It wasn't nothing special but it wasn't bad. Shrug. Kanye is the main attraction though 'cause he's been consistently awesome.

EDIT: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/mixtape/id.265/title.wu-tang-8-diagrams-mixtape

I dig it. It's raw. Also, there's a new article with Ghost where he talks about the 'beef' and it's just Ghost being Ghost. But wevz, if the new album has more strings and is a theatrical album, that's no reason it'd be bad. Rza has been changing up his sound for a while and growing since he started. No big deal.

Flagjacket

11-10-2007, 02:22 PM

CameoRole

11-10-2007, 05:23 PM

"Consistently awesome" is nowhere near how I'd describe Kanye, but most of the time he's solid, yeah.

Even if Wu Tang CDs carry weight in the top 10 for a few weeks, does that even mean anything anymore? Hip-hop's biggest consumer is the White suburbs, and an even smaller portion of those people are into hip-hop older than six months ago. "Coffee shop chicks and white dudes" are going to be into it, but still, Ghostface had a single out with Ne-Yo, and as label forced (and awesome) as it was, it's not like the Wu was on everyone's lips.

EDIT: Dude I was about to link to that same tape.

It don't mean nothin' that it's white kids that rock the Wu. It's not like they've ever catered to a crowd. Yeah sure, Ghost put out a single with Ne-Yo, but it was still Ghost's style. He's always been a more 'emotional' rapper and he's always been into bein' a little more commercial, so that ain't nothing. The point is, Wu Tang has always and will always be for real because that's who they are. Jay can talk about drugs and Dre can talk about Compton, but Wu Tang doesn't flaunt and they actually have cred, so there's that in their favour. Nas is similar and it's no surprise that the two have worked together and are friends.

I think it'd be great for Ghostface's new cd to be in the top 10, the next week have 8 diagrams come in, a couple months later have Ghost's other cd with MFDOOM, then Rae's sequel. Those four CDs will no doubt make it on the charts and I'm pretty sure at least 8 Diagrams and Rae's are gonna be rockin', and if Ghostface's solo is as good as he says it is, it can top Fishscale. Whether they're on the charts for a week or a month ultimately doesn't mean anything, but I can't help but feel that they'll be on there long enough to hopefully clutter it with Wu.

Maybe awesome is too strong to describe Kanye, but his albums are fire and his mixtapes are good too. Better than that Weezy **** even though he produced for him.

Flagjacket

11-10-2007, 05:33 PM

Kanye's albums are generally closer to "warm bread" than fire.

PS I said Back Like That was awesome I know about Ghost

Ghostfire3

11-10-2007, 05:51 PM

Resurrection is not boring. Finding Forever sucks, Be is kind of lame but yeah, Resurrection is still great. Like Water for Chocolate is good too.

Resurrection and Be are both solid in my book.

CameoRole

11-10-2007, 07:44 PM

Kanye's albums are generally closer to "warm bread" than fire.

PS I said Back Like That was awesome I know about Ghost

Meh, I think Kanye's original and brings new shi to the table each album.

I thought you meant that Back Like That was good despite being label forced and I more meant that I figure the only label forcing was with Ne-Yo. My bad.

Apocalyptic Raids

11-10-2007, 07:57 PM

Kanye should stick to producing.

Flagjacket

11-10-2007, 08:06 PM

I wish Kanye would've stuck to his early 00s Roc style instead of a bunch of screeching violins and then jacking Daft Punk. Dude is weak on the mic too

CameoRole

11-10-2007, 10:11 PM

I wish Kanye would've stuck to his early 00s Roc style instead of a bunch of screeching violins and then jacking Daft Punk. Dude is weak on the mic too

Shrug, I think he's clever. And I think that even though it's pretty much using the whole Daft Punk chorus, it's still a good song and is pretty original. Besides, he says he can't come close to touching Daft so he's got respect. And Champion, the Good Life, Bittersweet Poetry, shrug I think he really makes catchy and fresh beats.

Graffito

11-10-2007, 11:06 PM

I'm not really that fussed on Kanye's music, but I think he's quite talented. My favourite work by Kanye is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

Flagjacket

11-10-2007, 11:14 PM

I'm not really that fussed on Kanye's music, but I think he's quite talented. My favourite work by Kanye is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

Yes Kanye's ugly shirt and shocking statement like 2 years ago has everything to do with his music.

Good Life, Homecoming, and Everything I Am are the only songs I really like off Graduation. Can't Tell Me Nothing is sometimes alright but I prefer the actual Jeezy.

Graffito

11-10-2007, 11:21 PM

I didn't insinuate that his comment had anything to do with his music whatsoever.

Flagjacket

11-10-2007, 11:29 PM

Ok I see that I glanced over your post too quickly.

This is a rap thread not PNWI

Graffito

11-10-2007, 11:44 PM

Flagjacket

11-10-2007, 11:53 PM

Notorious B.I.G. stole Tupac's rhyming style.

Eazy-E ripped it to Snoop and Dre when he released Real Muthaphukkin' G's, clearly superior to **** Wit Dre Day.

Flayva Flav is an annoyance, he lacks any real talent besides being Chuck D's crony.

Necro's diss towards Michael Jackson is possibly the most vicious diss track I've ever heard - Billie Jean 2005.

:amaze:
Biggie stole Pac's "rhyming style"? I assume you mean his flow.

Flava Flav has no skill? You do realize Flavor Flav helped to produce most PE tracks, and he's also the greatest hype man of all time?

If you think anytihng by Necro is beyond "mediocre" you might as well admit to being a juggalo.

Graffito

11-11-2007, 12:03 AM

:amaze:
Biggie stole Pac's "rhyming style"? I assume you mean his flow.

Flava Flav has no skill? You do realize Flavor Flav helped to produce most PE tracks, and he's also the greatest hype man of all time?

If you think anytihng by Necro is beyond "mediocre" you might as well admit to being a juggalo.

Obviously I mean his flow.

Flavor Flav may have been a good assistant producer, but you can't tell me he can rap. His raps are "mediocre" to say the very least. Yeeeeeeeeeeeah BOI. Chuck D throws him a few filler tracks just so people can visibly see his contribution. Chuck D, Terminator X and Professor Griff were the bomb however.

Necro's rapping abilities are exceedingly high, he knows how to write a catchy rhyme, and has a surprisingly decent vocabulary, despite the vile subject matter (which is humourous). ICP is horrorcore, Necro is death rap.

Listen to Necro's Dead Body Disposal and Billie Jean 2005 mate, his flows are tight.

Flagjacket

11-11-2007, 12:13 AM

Graffito

11-11-2007, 12:19 AM

You need to learn to differentiate between Flavor Flav being a hypeman and Flavor Flav rapping.

Did you say Necro's rap skills are "exceedingly high"? Not only are you totally wrong you also sound like my mom trying to write a rap review. Don't make that death rap horrorcore excuse, there's not difference between white trash and white trashier.

The fact that we disagree on one musical point doesn't make either of us wrong or right. It's personal preference. Test out those two songs and get back to me, if you still think they suck then that's just different taste.

Flagjacket

11-11-2007, 10:00 AM

CameoRole

11-11-2007, 10:54 AM

Word up, all the MJ hate is so last year and so uncalled for.

On the bright side, I listened to Trae's new album and it's pretty good. It's not a classic but he's some good Houston ****. I'm dling a Z-Ro album and Guerilla Maab and I wish I had Trae's mixtape The Streets of the South Has Arrived 'cause he remixes Brown Paper Bag and We Takin' Over.

Graffito

11-11-2007, 09:26 PM

well this is a forum a place where ancient greek men went to discuss important manly things but nowadays a place where you argue your opinion online for fun, which I will do whenever i want. That being said:

Whether or not you like a rapper is obv preference, but the fact that Necro can barely rap and writes like ICP's third cousin from Escanaba, Michigan is not a point of debate.

Plus you called Public Service announcement nothing interesting you need to go back to rap school and come back when you don't suck.

Besides, what business does Necro have dissing MJ anyways? Michael Jackson > hip-hop.

Man public service announcement wasn't interesting. The beat was nothing cool and the lyrics were very average. It was another boastful rap. Nothing special whatsoever. All I have retained from that song is that he has some woman wearing his chain, and for some reason that is noteworthy. I've always thought Jay-Z was rubbish but I listened to that song without any bias. Luckily it confirmed my thoughts.

Necro's business in dissing MJ is humour. I like MJ's **** but recording a diss is satirical. Like South Park or Family Guy, they diss people, do you get offended everytime they drop it on someone you like?

Lay off the animosity man. You're angsting up the place.

Word up, all the MJ hate is so last year and so uncalled for.

Well the fact that it's called Billie Jean 2005 makes it the year before last year.

Flagjacket

11-11-2007, 09:50 PM

Man public service announcement wasn't interesting. The beat was nothing cool and the lyrics were very average. It was another boastful rap. Nothing special whatsoever. All I have retained from that song is that he has some woman wearing his chain, and for some reason that is noteworthy. I've always thought Jay-Z was rubbish but I listened to that song without any bias. Luckily it confirmed my thoughts.

Necro's business in dissing MJ is humour. I like MJ's **** but recording a diss is satirical. Like South Park or Family Guy, they diss people, do you get offended everytime they drop it on someone you like?

Your entire first paragraph you sound like a huge tool. And besides you think Jay-Z sucks but you think Necro is awesome? Please come back later.

And if you knew what you were talking about, Necro really has no business dissing Jackson because they have about as much to do with each other as you and hip-hop.

Graffito

11-11-2007, 10:25 PM

Your entire first paragraph you sound like a huge tool. And besides you think Jay-Z sucks but you think Necro is awesome? Please come back later.

And if you knew what you were talking about, Necro really has no business dissing Jackson because they have about as much to do with each other as you and hip-hop.

You're a pretentious little wank. Free speech says Necro has business dissing whoever he wants. If I threw up a Biggie avatar and listened to some boring, mainstream rap would I have more to do with the scene? You seem to consider yourself a bit of a hip-hop connoisseur, why is it that you think some arrogant rhyme about how good everything is with the bling and women is anything different? It is common, shathouse rap. 50-Cent does it, Lil Jon does it, rapping about violence, beating up people who look at you, and scaring other rappers. Compare anything by Jay-Z to Nas' Illmatic, or something along the lines. No comparison. It's boring. But perhaps you see something in his rhymes that interest you. I personally don't.

CameoRole

11-12-2007, 03:13 AM

Jay-Z is actually clever and worked his way up. Yeah, he's commercial, but you can't doubt the man is skilled.

Times Ten

11-12-2007, 05:43 PM

Jay-Z rules...

Times Ten

11-12-2007, 05:43 PM

Kanye should stick to producing.

...Why? He is better than most other mainstream rappers today.

okay

11-12-2007, 08:03 PM

been listening to The Sun Rises In The East by Jeru The Damaja

Eliminator

11-12-2007, 08:07 PM

...Why? He is better than most other mainstream rappers today.

because he is a terrible mc

CameoRole

11-12-2007, 09:28 PM

been listening to The Sun Rises In The East by Jeru The Damaja

Good shi'.

naut

11-12-2007, 09:39 PM

Besides, he says he can't come close to touching Daft so he's got respect.

well of course he did. it's pretty much standard procedure for an artist to say that who has ever covered/sampled another artist.:p

Times Ten

11-12-2007, 10:04 PM

because he is a terrible mc
Not really.

Ghostfire3

11-12-2007, 11:32 PM

People talk so much **** about me in barber shops, they forget to get their hair cut

Flagjacket

11-13-2007, 09:58 AM

Kanye West is actually a pretty bad rapper. Like, he's passable but not as bad as some other dudes I could name. Like Lil Boosie and Necro.

Ghostfire3

11-13-2007, 01:21 PM

Speaking of producers, let's talk about favorite producers.

Dr. Dre, DJ Premier (from Gang Starr), Havoc (from Mobb Deep), RZA, RJD2, Jus Allah (from Jedi Mind Tricks), Ant (from Atmosphere)

And_A_Bean

11-13-2007, 04:05 PM

RZA, Dr. Dre, Danger Mouse

Flagjacket

11-13-2007, 08:05 PM

Speaking of producers, let's talk about favorite producers.

Common, Dr. Dre, DJ Premier (from Gang Starr), Havoc (from Mobb Deep), RZA, RJD2, Jus Allah (from Jedi Mind Tricks), Ant (from Atmosphere)

Dude Jus Allah doesn't produce for JMT you're thinking of Stoupe.

Just Blaze, The Heatmakerz, RZA, basically all I can really think of off the top. What has Common produced btw?

Ghostfire3

11-13-2007, 08:35 PM

Dude Jus Allah doesn't produce for JMT you're thinking of Stoupe.

Just Blaze, The Heatmakerz, RZA, basically all I can really think of off the top. What has Common produced btw?

Oops, my bad. I always get them confused.

Also, after researching I found out that Common does not produce his own beats. I thought that Kanye produced only some of his beats but apparently he produces most of them. So once again, my bad.

Are you happy now that you have humiliated me in front of everyone, Kaven?

Flagjacket

11-13-2007, 09:22 PM

I was actually interested in Common but I guess I'm not actually missing out.

u stupid fuk

Times Ten

11-13-2007, 10:31 PM

Producers: Premo, Bronze Nazareth, RZA, Stoupe, Nujabes.

CameoRole

11-14-2007, 12:56 AM

RZA, Mathematics, Dre, Kanye

pedro durruti

11-14-2007, 01:16 AM

Daniel Dumille is one of the craziest funkiest umpiest rappers who digs it like a spigot

AndreTheHyena

11-14-2007, 02:00 AM

The only thing I really like about the Wu is RZA's production. Yeah, I said it.

I really like some of Dan the Automator's production, like on the Dr. Octagon cd.

Apocalyptic Raids

11-14-2007, 03:02 AM

RZA, The Neptunes and Dr. Dre are my top picks for producers.

Chicken And Waffuls

11-28-2007, 07:00 PM

on the rare ocations i look at this thing i never see anyone mention a tribe called quest. q tip is sick.

im downloading the new wu album and the new ghostface right now. there both mad hyped.

Ghostfire3

11-28-2007, 07:30 PM

The only thing I really like about the Wu is RZA's production. Yeah, I said it.

You take that back right now.

on the rare ocations i look at this thing i never see anyone mention a tribe called quest. q tip is sick.

****, I did forget to mention Q Tip. I love A Tribe Called Quest

Times Ten

11-28-2007, 07:46 PM

The new Wu is really good.

AndreTheHyena

11-29-2007, 01:39 AM

You take that back right now.

They got some really good songs, but I've never been able to sit through a single album. And even the good songs seem to drag on a little too long.

Ghostfire3

11-29-2007, 11:45 AM

They got some really good songs, but I've never been able to sit through a single album. And even the good songs seem to drag on a little too long.

Don't worry, I was only kidding. I respect your opinion.

AndreTheHyena

11-29-2007, 02:42 PM

I know, :thumb:.

Chicken And Waffuls

11-30-2007, 12:00 PM

so ive been listening to alot of recent mixtapes and hip hop isnt dead. at all. get up on your mixtape game.

Flagjacket

11-30-2007, 01:56 PM

Not enough people here stay up on hip-hop, close their minds to anything not "conscious" or "boring."

Flagjacket

12-02-2007, 08:13 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F-swDEBV3ZY

Video might be the most expensive vid made since Puffy was shuffling around in a wind tunnel.

socialcrawl

12-07-2007, 04:20 PM

im obsessed with ja rule's new song your body

Flagjacket

12-16-2007, 06:55 PM

Joe Budden finally dropped Mood Muzik 3

but most of you are probably too square to be bumping this like I do

AndreTheHyena

12-16-2007, 09:48 PM

I don't wanna live no more
Sometimes I hear death knockin' on my front door
I'm livin' every day like a hustle
Another drug to juggle
Another day, another struggle

My current favorite hip-hop song.

Times Ten

12-17-2007, 12:02 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F-swDEBV3ZY

Video might be the most expensive vid made since Puffy was shuffling around in a wind tunnel.

Hahah, Birdman is a pretty bad rapper and Lil' Wayne is one of the worst rappers ever, but the beat in this song is pretty nice and the hook isn't bad either. I have a soft spot for Young Jeezy, also.

Siqqqq vid, though.

Flagjacket

12-17-2007, 06:38 AM

I think Birdman and Lil Wayne are tight, but that video should have it's own Oscar category.

Ghostfire3

12-17-2007, 01:01 PM

That video was lame. Birdman sucks.

Flagjacket

12-17-2007, 01:27 PM

That video was lame. Birdman sucks.

Aaron you listen to Sage Francis. See the Against Me! thread for why you don't matter.

Ghostfire3

12-17-2007, 04:10 PM

Haha, I don't really listen to Sage Francis that much. But yes, I do like some of his stuff. And I already saw the Against Me! thread.

lynch_me

12-17-2007, 04:28 PM

Bum Rush Tha Show

Ghostfire3

12-17-2007, 09:51 PM

My current favorite hip-hop song.

Hell yeah. Everyday Struggles is one of my favorite Biggie songs.

Times Ten

12-17-2007, 10:20 PM

lol @ Sage Francis. Definition of whack.