Omega Josh

[EADG]

Looking for those Berklee bass workouts you posted a while back

can't seem the find them, even with the search

anyone help me out? I'm compiling exercises for a practice routine

[Jimbobntnr]

did you search under one of his other names? I looked under quatre, but didn't get anything.

[EADG]

did you search under one of his other names? I looked under quatre, but didn't get anything.

Omega and Kobaia

[Spaceman Spiff]

I searched a bit and came up with nothing. Here's some practice routine he came up with a long time ago that I saved.

1. Major Scale & Modes
• 2 Octaves
• Triads & Inversions (work up to 2 octaves)
• Broken Thirds & Sixths (work up to 2 octaves)
• Chord Structures & Tensions

2. Melodic Minor & Modes
• 2 Octaves
• Triads & Inversions
• Broken Thirds & Sixths
• Chord Structures & Tensions

3. Harmonic Minor & Modes
• 2 Octaves
• Triads & Inversions
• Broken Thirds & Sixths
• Chord Structures & Tensions

4. Symmetrical & Diminished
• 2 Octaves
• Triads & Inversions (Both Maj and Min from each degree)
• Broken Thirds & sixths
• Chord Structures & Tensions

5. Reading
• Rhythmic – Clapping & Slapping Rhythm packet
• Chord Changes - Real Book Walking (ensemble playing)
• Melodic – Bach (traditional prepared piece)

6. Ear Training
• Pitch Singing
• Solfége
• Transcription

7. Pentatonics* & Modes
• 2 Octaves
• Broken Thirds or fourths as needed

8. Learn a new scale

[EADG]

Found it and added from the one Spiff posted


thanks

[Omega Red]

1. Major Scale & Modes
• 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, start on lowest possible note and go to highest possible note
• Triads & Inversions 2 octaves 12 keys, asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time asc, des, asc+des, des+asc
• Broken Thirds, fourths, fifths, Sixths, sevenths 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time acc, dec, asc+des, des+asc
• 2, 3, 4, & 5 tone sequences 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc


2. Melodic Minor & Modes
• 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, start on lowest possible note and go to highest possible note
• Triads & Inversions 2 octaves 12 keys ascend, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time asc, des, asc+des, des+asc
• Broken Thirds, fourths, fifths, Sixths, sevenths 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time asc, des, asc+des, des+asc
• 2, 3, 4, & 5 tone sequences 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc


3. Harmonic Minor & Modes
• 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, start on lowest possible note and go to highest possible note
• Triads & Inversions 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time acc, dec, acc+dec, dec+acc
• Broken Thirds, fourths, fifths, Sixths, sevenths 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time asc, des, asc+des, des+asc
• 2, 3, 4, & 5 tone sequences 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc


4. Symmetrical & Diminished
• 2 octaves 12 keys acc, dec, start on lowest possible note and go to highest possible note
• Triads & Inversions 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time aasc, des, asc+des, des+asc
• Broken Thirds, fourths, fifths, Sixths, sevenths 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time asc, des, asc+des, des+asc
• 2, 3, 4, & 5 tone sequences 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc


5. Reading
• Rhythmic – Clapping & Slapping Rhythm book MODERN READING TEXT IN 4/4 by Bellson
• Chord Changes - Real Book Walking (ensemble playing)
• Melodic – Bach (traditional prepared piece)


6. Ear Training
• Pitch Singing
• Solfége
• Transcription


7. Pentatonic & Modes
• 2 Octaves 12 keys asc, des, start on lowest possible note and go to highest possible note
• Broken Thirds, fourths, fifths, Sixths, sevenths 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc with chromatic approach notes on a different scale degree each time acc, dec, acc+dec, dec+ac
• 2, 3, 4, & 5 tone sequences 2 octaves 12 keys asc, des, asc+des, des+asc


Key:
ASC=ascend
DES=Descend
ASC+DES=ascend the first, descend the second, ascend the third, and so on
DES+ASC= descend the first, ascend the second, descend the third and so on


Broken intervals: in a scale broken thirds are R 3 2 4 3 5 4 6 5 7 6 R 7 9 R
broken fourths are R 4 2 5 3 6 4 7 5 R 6 9 7 3 R

and so on

Tone sequences: Four tone sequence is R 2 3 4 2 3 4 5 3 4 5 6 5 6 7 R 6 7 R 9 7 R 9 3 R 9 3 11

hope that helps

[EADG]

thxn bro :)

[Foxfire]

Man, I'm gonna have to do that **** for upright.

Thanks dawg.

[EADG]

I'm going to start doing these exercises daily if possible


Josh, anything else you could recommend for someone wanting to know their instrument more thoroughly/learn more about jazz bass?

[Jody LeCompte]

Man, just reading over that list makes me realize how far I have left to go before Im even competent.

:upset:

[Duncster]

This forum needs a ****ing lessons section

[EADG]

This forum needs a ****ing good lessons section



fixed


but 123

[Left Shoe]

yeah someone should tell the lesson mod to get off his *** and do something about it

[EADG]

123 Phil

[Left Shoe]

123 Phil

this

[Omega Red]

I'm going to start doing these exercises daily if possible


Josh, anything else you could recommend for someone wanting to know their instrument more thoroughly/learn more about jazz bass?

as far as walking goes. if you can memorize the changes that really helps. keep it basic be comfortable with what you're doing. Paul Chambers used roots, Ray Brown doubled notes, Victor Wooten still uses Triads. dont worry about 'sounding like a pro' if you're on beat you're better than half the other guys out there. some standard progressions are good to know. Major and Minor Blues, rhythm changes. practice walking the circle of resolving dominants (circle of 5ths backward).

once you realize the basics of jazz you can get into the mid level stuff. there are only so many chords in jazz. Maj7, min7, dom7, min7b5. Rarely will you see Aug maj7, or aug7, min maj7, sus, or 6 chords, even fully diminished is hard to find out side of big band. you'll learn the characteristic of the chords. ie dom has to have a R 3 and b7, the 5 is irrelevant because of the possibilities of a b5 or aug. so highlight the R and b7, they're only a step away, now the 3 is a fouth from the b7, and the resolving chord is one half step up from the 3 (or in some cases between the 1 and b7 in that case i'd go for the 3 first) and that takes care of the chord tones you need and the approach note you need. take the circle of dom, and walk it as all major, then all minor, then all dom, then all min7 b5 and so on till you feel satisfied.

the farthest you'll have to go in a walking line is a tritone. realize that a walking line from a I chord to a VI chord is only 1 note away. its harder not to walk atleast 3 notes away with out skipping to a 3rd or 5th and walking in that way. the worst problems i run into are chromatic ascents or descents because almost all the notes change. the easiest way to handel that is to pedal the root of each chord. it gives dynamics, and it helps out the rest of the band. remember music especially improv and jazz is a team sport.

as far as soloing goes. once you realize no one but you cares about bass solos you're golden. you can do what ever you want. but, always... always KEEP THE FORM if you have trouble doing this. take you're walking line, and mess with the rhythms. crazy fast bass solos that end half way through the form mess up the song, and make you look dumb anyway. if you're uncomfortable with the song, dont take one. best thing you can do is trade with the drummer. till you get it anyway.

now once you know the form. there are many ways to solo. in jazz if you want to cheat your way in this is the easy way. Find sections of the song that are in a key. solo in that key, count the bars and change when the next key center comes up. slightly harder is this. minor7 means melodic minor/dorian . Major7 means lydian. dominant7 means Lydian dominant. Minor 7b5 is lydian nat9. even harder layer triads to highlight the chord tones and the available tensions. ie A minor 7 could be seen as D major tirad over a C major triad. the root 3 5 b7 are there so is the 11 and 13th just like melodic minor or dorian.

the exercises are just to help you gain a control of the language, i wouldn't use them as soloing material. personally i wouldn't solo a phrase you cant sing yourself. and finaly try transcribing solos from good soloists. ie stan getz, pat metheny, mike brecker, or miles davis. (notice no bassists, bassists suck at soloing)

[Duncster]

this

I agree with you.

[EADG]

this

this

[EADG]

as far as walking goes. if you can memorize the changes that really helps. keep it basic be comfortable with what you're doing. Paul Chambers used roots, Ray Brown doubled notes, Victor Wooten still uses Triads. dont worry about 'sounding like a pro' if you're on beat you're better than half the other guys out there. some standard progressions are good to know. Major and Minor Blues, rhythm changes. practice walking the circle of resolving dominants (circle of 5ths backward).

once you realize the basics of jazz you can get into the mid level stuff. there are only so many chords in jazz. Maj7, min7, dom7, min7b5. Rarely will you see Aug maj7, or aug7, min maj7, sus, or 6 chords, even fully diminished is hard to find out side of big band. you'll learn the characteristic of the chords. ie dom has to have a R 3 and b7, the 5 is irrelevant because of the possibilities of a b5 or aug. so highlight the R and b7, they're only a step away, now the 3 is a fouth from the b7, and the resolving chord is one half step up from the 3 (or in some cases between the 1 and b7 in that case i'd go for the 3 first) and that takes care of the chord tones you need and the approach note you need. take the circle of dom, and walk it as all major, then all minor, then all dom, then all min7 b5 and so on till you feel satisfied.

the farthest you'll have to go in a walking line is a tritone. realize that a walking line from a I chord to a VI chord is only 1 note away. its harder not to walk atleast 3 notes away with out skipping to a 3rd or 5th and walking in that way. the worst problems i run into are chromatic ascents or descents because almost all the notes change. the easiest way to handel that is to pedal the root of each chord. it gives dynamics, and it helps out the rest of the band. remember music especially improv and jazz is a team sport.

as far as soloing goes. once you realize no one but you cares about bass solos you're golden. you can do what ever you want. but, always... always KEEP THE FORM if you have trouble doing this. take you're walking line, and mess with the rhythms. crazy fast bass solos that end half way through the form mess up the song, and make you look dumb anyway. if you're uncomfortable with the song, dont take one. best thing you can do is trade with the drummer. till you get it anyway.

now once you know the form. there are many ways to solo. in jazz if you want to cheat your way in this is the easy way. Find sections of the song that are in a key. solo in that key, count the bars and change when the next key center comes up. slightly harder is this. minor7 means melodic minor/dorian . Major7 means lydian. dominant7 means Lydian dominant. Minor 7b5 is lydian nat9. even harder layer triads to highlight the chord tones and the available tensions. ie A minor 7 could be seen as D major tirad over a C major triad. the root 3 5 b7 are there so is the 11 and 13th just like melodic minor or dorian.

the exercises are just to help you gain a control of the language, i wouldn't use them as soloing material. personally i wouldn't solo a phrase you cant sing yourself. and finaly try transcribing solos from good soloists. ie stan getz, pat metheny, mike brecker, or miles davis. (notice no bassists, bassists suck at soloing)



u da man brah


Rept++

[Naminator]

To post #6, how long should all of that take me?

And; what should I divide each section with time wise.

Woah: Bad Engrish

[Omega Red]

it should take as long as it needs to. try doing just a half hour, and get through as much as you can. major scale and modes in 12 keys 2 octaves each can take up to 5 mins to make sure you're doing it right. you may want to go slower with a metronome, or use it as a quick warm up.

[EADG]

so Josh, do you still do these?

if so, how often/how long a day?


if not, what is your practice routine like?

[Omega Red]

I used to do this. the whole thing too me like 5 hours. some of them can be layered. like solfege and playing the scales, you can sing what you play.

now my practice routine is, flipping through the real book and finding the matching jamie abersold backing track. and just walk then solo and walk out. thats about all i do now. i'm not a huge practicer right now. i need to get back into it.

[EADG]

I used to do this. the whole thing too me like 5 hours. some of them can be layered. like solfege and playing the scales, you can sing what you play.

now my practice routine is, flipping through the real book and finding the matching jamie abersold backing track. and just walk then solo and walk out. thats about all i do now. i'm not a huge practicer right now. i need to get back into it.


Jamie Abersold?

[Omega Red]

Jamie Abersold?

jamie abersold is a sax player who recorded like just tons of songs mostly from the real book with no lead instrument. just bass drums and keys. so you get to play the head of the tune, and practice soloing over it.

a friend at school gave them to me for free so, i've got like 1000 tracks.

[EADG]

jamie abersold is a sax player who recorded like just tons of songs mostly from the real book with no lead instrument. just bass drums and keys. so you get to play the head of the tune, and practice soloing over it.

a friend at school gave them to me for free so, i've got like 1000 tracks.

****, that sounds really useful. Know where I could get those?


and did he really record 1000 songs? That's intense

[Left Shoe]

josh hit me with those next time you see me online or vice versa

[Omega Red]

****, that sounds really useful. Know where I could get those?


and did he really record 1000 songs? That's intense

bit torrents maybe