My Generation Sucks

[TravisBarkerrules]

All we do is shoot each other, here in the USA that is. Cant we at least wait til one good band has been created?

Seriously, who do you all think will be the next big ole band to come up? Any unknown bands that you all are hiding from the world?
Now to make this drum related!!
Benny Greb, best up and coming big name? Agree or Disagree?

I dont know what this thread is about either.
But it doesnt deal with the WHO.

[PandaDrummer]

honestly, the way parenting, or lack of is going, and how no one has to or is willing to take blame for thier own actions, I can't say I didn't see this coming. It's too much to type out but. The world is going to keep going this way until a major event fixes it all.

[static]

If only we could fly, Limp Bizkit style. John Otto, take 'em to the Matthew's bridge. Can ya feel it? My g-g-generation, get up. My g-g-generation, are you ready?
Do you know where you are? Welcome to the jungle punk, take a look around. It's Limp Bizkit ****in' up your town, we download in the shockwave. For all the ladies in the cave, to get your groove on, and maybe your the one who flew over the cuckoo's nest. Well, guess who's next. Generation x, generation strange. Sun don't even shine through a window pane.

So go ahead and talk ****, talk **** about me, and go ahead and talk ****. About my g-g-generation!

(Chorus)
We don't, don't give a ****, and we wont ever give a **** un, til you, you give a **** about me and my generation.

Hey kid, take my advice, ya don't wanna step into a big pile of ****. The captain is drunk, your world is titanic. Floatin' on the funk, so get your groove on, and maybe I am just a little ****ed up. Life's just a little ****ed up. Generation x, generation strange. Sun don't even shine through the window pane.

So go ahead and talk ****, talk **** about me, and go ahead and talk **** about my g-g-generation.

(Chorus 2x) Who gets the blame, you get the blame and I get the blame. Who gets the blame, you get the blame and I get the blame, but do you think we can fly? Do you think we can fly? Do yoooooooou think we can fly? Well I do, I do......FLY!

DJ Lethal, bring it on. Ooooooooooh yea, come on!

So go ahead and talk ****, talk **** about me and go ahead and talk **** about my g-g-generation.

(Chorus 2x)

Oh yea

[Seafroggys]

My Generation ****ing rules!



oh wait, you weren't talking about The Who.

But it still rules!

[TravisBarkerrules]

I know I realized that this looked like a Who trashing thread so I made a quick save!

As to panda, Im sick of hearing about shootings all day long, that and how sports are just a big bunch of legal BS now a days.

[crazyguy832]

Suck it up, all of you.

If you can't find music you like you aren't looking hard enough or it doesn't exist. Fact. It's only underground if you don't know about it.

[Panopticon]

http://www.myspace.com/eclipsetheworld

[TravisBarkerrules]

Im just saying that there arent any really big rock bands... Seriously, rap music is slowly taking over. I am not enjoying it.

Enemy is that your band, I think I recall that name. If so sounds pretty good.

FINE! I'll make some suggestions of some cool shiz.
http://myspace.com/lemeulepurr- Very Good Drummer
http://myspace.com/theswellers-
http://www.myspace.com/alucardrock
http://www.myspace.com/asymbiont- Very Good Drummer

[Mirror.Circuit]

Dude.
You're missing good bands IN nebraska.
http://www.myspace.com/backwhen
http://www.myspace.com/ghosttowns
http://www.myspace.com/therecession
http://www.myspace.com/herculesne

[TravisBarkerrules]

Damn you and your lack of http:// But anyways check out A. Symbiont. IMO best Omaha band currently.

Dude, you listen to some crazy NE bands. My god, that stuff is just crazy, have you ever heard of a band called Dead Echos?

[Mirror.Circuit]

No way man.
Back When rulessss.
I edited those links for ya.

[Panopticon]

Im just saying that there arent any really big rock bands... Seriously, rap music is slowly taking over. I am not enjoying it.

Enemy is that your band, I think I recall that name. If so sounds pretty good.

FINE! I'll make some suggestions of some cool shiz.
http://myspace.com/lemeulepurr- Very Good Drummer
http://myspace.com/theswellers-
http://www.myspace.com/alucardrock
http://www.myspace.com/asymbiont- Very Good Drummer

yep :thumb:

[TravisBarkerrules]

Back When was pretty cool. The Recession almost mad me crap my pants when it came up. But thank you for fixing the links.

But have you heard of Dead Echoes( I think thats right) I believe they are from Lincoln. Played with them one time.

[Mirror.Circuit]

hahah,yeah.
they're pretty intense.
it's funny,because they're actually a christian band.
my friend reid is the bass player and vocalist, he's super religious.
cool guy though.
if you ever come down to lincoln,come to the ghost house,where the dudes in ghost towns live.
maybe the 25th of this month.
since i'll be playing a show then.
<.<
>.>
Back When was pretty cool. The Recession almost mad me crap my pants when it came up. But thank you for fixing the links.

Dude, you listen to some crazy NE bands. My god, that stuff is just crazy, have you ever heard of a band called Dead Echos?
Haha,yeah,I do.
Mostly punk stuff.



Yeah,seen them once or twice.
They're ok.

[TravisBarkerrules]

Cool, Cool. I dont go down to Lincoln much but I may end up at UNL, ya never know. Did college apps earlier. SOOOO much fun! If i am ever going down I'll see if you have a show going on.

[Seafroggys]

My band rocks pretty hard. They have recordings with their old drummer, but I won't post those :P

[Mirror.Circuit]

Cool, Cool. I dont go down to Lincoln much but I may end up at UNL, ya never know. Did college apps earlier. SOOOO much fun! If i am ever going down I'll see if you have a show going on.

Sounds good man.
Are you a senior in HS this year?

[TravisBarkerrules]

Yep.

[GhostNote]

Im just saying that there arent any really big rock bands... Seriously, rap music is slowly taking over. I am not enjoying it.



It's not rap music in general, it's commercial music. Pop, alot of pop punk, some rap (50 cent etc). But there are good hip-hop acts, Common, The Roots, Talib Kweli. Everyone is so quick to put a big "rap is killing the music industry" label on things.


-GN

[Seafroggys]

Well, rap IS killing the music industry, its just a specification of rap.

[GhostNote]

Some rap is, but so is some pop punk and pop acts. Commercial pop music anyone? Rap isn't single-handedly taking over the music industry :rolleyes:


-GN

[Berk]

crank that

[Maggot Dream]

It's not rap music in general, it's commercial music. Pop, alot of pop punk, some rap (50 cent etc). But there are good hip-hop acts, Common, The Roots, Talib Kweli.


Why do people always act like the only good hip-hop artists around are the underground ones? What, specifically, is wrong with mainstream hip-hop? This whole backpacker tone around here is really getting old.

[FockerTheLopper]

Im just saying that there arent any really big rock bands... Seriously, rap music is slowly taking over. I am not enjoying it.



Just because you aren't enjoying it doesn't mean anything. Rap is a very rich music as is any other music. Just because machines make it and there isn't much complexity it has its job. It's music for dancing.
I don't know about you guys but if I'm in a club I'd much rather hear 50 cent rather than DT or something like that

[Maggot Dream]

and there isn't much complexity

Wait, what?

[FockerTheLopper]

Wait, what?

Rap music isn't complex/technically challenging

[Mirror.Circuit]

Yep.

Same here.
What High School are you at?
If it's Benson,I'll lulz.
A lot.

[GhostNote]

Why do people always act like the only good hip-hop artists around are the underground ones? What, specifically, is wrong with mainstream hip-hop? This whole backpacker tone around here is really getting old.

The people I listed there are hardly underground. Mainstream Hip-hop is just like any mainstream Pop, the artists are exploited by the record companies and there's more of a market for their talent as posers than there is for their vocal talents. Those are the reasons for my dislike.


-GN

[Seafroggys]

I do not like rap and hip-hop for quite a bit of reasons. And if I want good dance music, give me Nazareth.

[Maggot Dream]

The people I listed there are hardly underground. Mainstream Hip-hop is just like any mainstream Pop, the artists are exploited by the record companies and there's more of a market for their talent as posers than there is for their vocal talents. Those are the reasons for my dislike.

Talent as posers? That doesn't make any sense. There's more to hip-hop than just the vocals. The artists you listed aren't necessarily underground, but they follow many of the same trends (thin, minimal production, more focus on vocals).


And Focker, there's plenty of complexity in hip-hop. Just depends on who you listen to.

[FockerTheLopper]

I do not like rap and hip-hop for quite a bit of reasons. And if I want good dance music, give me Nazareth.

Nazareth isn't dance its more classic rock. If you ever hear Nazareth in a club let me know about it I'll be shocked

Talent as posers? That doesn't make any sense. There's more to hip-hop than just the vocals. The artists you listed aren't necessarily underground, but they follow many of the same trends (thin, minimal production, more focus on vocals).


And Focker, there's plenty of complexity in hip-hop. Just depends on who you listen to.

I said rap not hip hop. For the most part though (at least what I've heard) hip hop is pretty simple too but alot deeper and more complex than just rap.

[Seafroggys]

exactly.

A lot of classic rock (mainstream top 40 CR that is) is much better dance music then many other styles, including rap and hip-off. I'm leaving that typo in there for humor's sake.

[FockerTheLopper]

exactly.

A lot of classic rock (mainstream top 40 CR that is) is much better dance music then many other styles, including rap and hip-off. I'm leaving that typo in there for humor's sake.

Times change my brother people want new dance music. I don't have one rap/hip hop song on my computer but its what people want (and I don't mind). I don't have any problems with rap or hip hop except for certain songs/artists that promote nothing but violence.

[Maggot Dream]

I said rap not hip hop. For the most part though (at least what I've heard) hip hop is pretty simple too but alot deeper and more complex than just rap.

Rap by itself isn't really a genre, though. Hip-hop is.

[GhostNote]

Talent as posers? That doesn't make any sense. There's more to hip-hop than just the vocals. The artists you listed aren't necessarily underground, but they follow many of the same trends (thin, minimal production, more focus on vocals).
.

Talent as posers, meaning their image, the whole 'gangsta' thing. The song's content is heavily based on image, money and a stereotypical lifestyle. They also place a lot of importance on music videos, more than the actual music.

So where does the importance lie in hip-hop? Seeing as it isn't on the vocals, (which i never actually said that it was more important than anything else). Where are these trends in these people's music also? I'd like to know where you're getting your info from.


-GN

[FockerTheLopper]

Rap by itself isn't really a genre, though. Hip-hop is.

No I think it is. Rap is like hiphop but without the catchy chorus' with singing. Since I don't listen on a personal level I can't name you any songs but I think you know what I mean.

[Maggot Dream]

So where does the importance lie in hip-hop? Seeing as it isn't on the vocals, (which i never actually said that it was more important than anything else). Where are these trends in these people's music also? I'd like to know where you're getting your info from.

I never said that vocals aren't at all important. The way an artist raps or sings can have a major effect on how much I enjoy a song. It's not the only thing, though. Quality of production and complexity in melodic and rhythmic styling are what I notice first in a hip-hop song or artist.

The trends I mentioned are common in many non-mainstream hip-hop artists. Underground artists tend to focus more on lyricism and less on musical complexity. That generalization obviously doesn't apply to all artists, but it is true for many.

And you did point out their vocal talents compared to their 'talent as posers,' whatever that means.

No I think it is. Rap is like hiphop but without the catchy chorus' with singing. Since I don't listen on a personal level I can't name you any songs but I think you know what I mean.

Rap by itself simply defines a vocal style. You really need some sort of specification for it to work as a genre classification. Rap is often employed in hip-hop, but that doesn't make it its own genre.

[GhostNote]

The trends I mentioned are common in many non-mainstream hip-hop artists. Underground artists tend to focus more on lyricism and less on musical complexity. That generalization obviously doesn't apply to all artists, but it is true for many.

And you did point out their vocal talents compared to their 'talent as posers,' whatever that means.

I don't know where you're hearing musically complex hip-hop, because most of it isn't all that complex, underground or not.

I did explain, in my post, if you'd care to read it: "Talent as posers, meaning their image, the whole 'gangsta' thing. The song's content is heavily based on image, money and a stereotypical lifestyle. They also place a lot of importance on music videos, more than the actual music."

Although initially i probably should've said "their talent to pose" which is the same with but whatever.


-GN

[Win A Rabbit]

THIS THREAD SHOULD BE STICKIED!!!

srs. gj, guys.

[Maggot Dream]

I don't know where you're hearing musically complex hip-hop, because most of it isn't all that complex, underground or not.

I did explain, in my post, if you'd care to read it: "Talent as posers, meaning their image, the whole 'gangsta' thing. The song's content is heavily based on image, money and a stereotypical lifestyle. They also place a lot of importance on music videos, more than the actual music."

There is plenty of complexity. Timbaland's production comes to mind, if you're looking for examples. Multilayered sampling, synth lines, percussion samples, etc.

I read your post, but that only makes sense if you listen to the lyrics alone. Even if you don't, that doesn't make the music any worse or better. It is what it is.

[Seafroggys]

"We play both kinds of music here. Country AND Western!"

this is exactly what you guys are talking about.

[Maggot Dream]

I'm so glad you took the time to read and understand our discussion. Thank you.

[GhostNote]

There is plenty of complexity. Timbaland's production comes to mind, if you're looking for examples. Multilayered sampling, synth lines, percussion samples, etc.

I read your post, but that only makes sense if you listen to the lyrics alone. Even if you don't, that doesn't make the music any worse or better. It is what it is.

Yeah but it's hard to draw a line between where something becomes complex and when it's simple when you're talking about sampling. It could be a really simple pattern just repeated and put on opposing beats and it might sound really complex but when you think about it might just be a simple sample. I understand where you're coming from though, and you make a good point.

How many people do you think will listen to guys like 50 Cent, just for the music behind it? They are very few.
If his music was about the actual backing music, he wouldn't need to be there.


-GN

[Drum Phil]

http://www.myspace.com/thehitchers

These were about to hit the big and had sony and warner chasing after them. Then they signed to germanys crazy love instead :-/

Ive worked with them as a cameramonkey a couple of times.


EDIT: Just to stick my nose into the discussion.

Theres nothing wrong with some mainstream music. Im not really a fan of rap or hip hop so i cant add to that, but dance and that sorta thing i do like.

On this note, to find good dance you do have to look below the surface because most mainstream stuff is a bit samey and hollow. I mean my sister bummed on about a track thats lyrical entirety was "put your hands up for detroit". I mean, what the christ? She even thought detroit was a country.

However EBM is far superior to dance.

[We_Love_Lime]

Hip Hop ISN'T "musically complex"
I don't know why you guys keep saying that.
It seems like people just want to say that to make Hip Hop a more substantial genre.

However much sampling Hip-Hop DOES use, it doesn't come close to Trip-Hop or Drum n Bass.
The beats ARE catchy, and you have some awesome producers, (Dilla, RZA, Doom, Premier, and I GUESS timbaland <_<)
But that doesn't make the music they put out Musically complex.
It just makes it music
which people happen to enjoy.

The more "complexity" is within the lyrics.
You have more lyricists becoming revolutionary then you have producers.

I mean.
Rakim and Big L get more credit for their lyricist styles, then Premiere gets for his ability to scratch in Biz Markie lines into Mos Def songs.
And rightfully so...
As awesome as Premiere is, that's not what Hip Hop is all about <_<.

Oh and Maggot.
Give me one commercial rap artist who'se good.
Like you've heard on the radio, a reasonable amount of time.

[Drum Phil]

I like eminem :-/ Does that count?

Also, one of my favourite bands just randomly released a trip hop album. I have nothing to compare to but i like it.

http://deathboy.anti-goth.com/Trip-Hop/Trip-Hop.zip

[We_Love_Lime]

Eminem was awesome dude.
And nobody can take that away from him.

[GhostNote]

Meh, i disliked him intensely.
Great post before though, Lime. :thumb:
Check your rep.


-GN

[We_Love_Lime]

I can see how you can dislike him.
All he does is dress bad and make music for 14 year old girls.

But The Slim and Marshall Mathers LP albums he put out were something else.

[GhostNote]

Yeah, my sister used to have it bangin' all the time. I think she had all the albums. I really wasn't a fan.


-GN

[We_Love_Lime]

Fair enough.
I'm not going to praise him, but...

I'm just trying to remind you, he was awesome once. IMO opinion at least.

Nobody cares about him anymore.

[DxRocker]

I read a couple of times that "the music industry" got killed by *insert style*.

I think that's funny, as it is my opinion that in fact the very birth of "the industry" is what killed music all together. Today's music buzz is the inescapable result of any over-produced or over-exploited product. Just look at what happened to the Terminater; First movie: AWESOME. Second movie: "meh, it's ok". Third movie "do you have a puke bag?"

There's this saying "when art meets the business world, it turns into kitch"
That's exactly what happened to music. Some folks (mostly non-musicians) smelled the allmighty dollar and that's that then...

At first you needed to make good music. Today you need to be good looking.

Having said that, this kind of shizzle might "dominate" today's market, but there's still this layer out there that doesn't play that game. And with today's globalisation and extreme internet anarchy, that layer is getting more and more attention.

I also see around me that people start to loose focus of mtv style barbie dolls and start looking back again to the roots of real music. I notice more Beatles songs etc on the radio. Even in commericals they are going back to good ole 60's - 70's music.
More gigs take place in the city. DJ's become less popular. Reason being that they are far more expensive then real bands these days.

I don't know about other places, but over here you pay author taxes for the music you play at your party. Have a DJ put on a couple cd's, and you'll be paying taxes for all those cd's. Plus, because of the loss of interest for real bands the past decade, a lot of bands had trouble to get gigs, let alone 'payed' gigs. So their price is becoming cheaper.

So I see better times ahead for the next couple of years, and I expect these times to become better and better. And we have the very capitalistic nature of the music buzz to thank for it - they are killing themselves.

These days they are finding their puppets on reality tv shows like Idol. I mean, how desperate can you get? Now they are making money off off the auditions as well... Talk about "over exploitation". No way that an Elvis, a Madonna, a Robbie Williams or similar legends will ever come out of those ridiculous shows.

So they are doomed to fail.

[Drum Phil]

Thats because all popular artists have to come to an end sooner or later.

The ones that dont learn that are the ones who end up wrecks of their former selves.

Artists who accept times change and are no longer popular, and go down with some grace, are the ones who get a chance to have a reunion one day.

Artists, like britney and the spice girls, who refuse to accept they've had their day, are the ones who end up as attention whores trying to get a little more publicity. And at the end of the day, they're the ones who die from overdoses and other such ****.

[TravisBarkerrules]

Same here.
What High School are you at?
If it's Benson,I'll lulz.
A lot.

Nope I am at Millard North.

Not a Benson Bunny.

[mattsmith]

I read a couple of times that "the music industry" got killed by *insert style*.

I think that's funny, as it is my opinion that in fact the very birth of "the industry" is what killed music all together.

The music unions that were created to fight the industry have never been much help either. In the early days of WWII, the music union in America felt threatened by the jukebox which they believed would kill live music. Why would anyone go to a Gene Krupa show if all you had to do would put a nickel in a jukebox and you could hear the record, they thought. So the union insisited that the recording industry give them a penny of that nickel.

The record industry told the union to screw itself and the union responded with a threat that changed the direction of music forever. To punish the record companies, the union banned the recording of all instrumental music and only allowed the recording of vocal music...The reason? In the union's mind they believed that only idiots would purchase a recording that only featured a singer that was not an opera singer. What the union didn't get at all was that most of the record buying public was idiots then and remains so now.

See for over 300 years the instrumentalist had ruled music, while vocalists were considered second class citizens. In the first decades of the 20th century, big bands ruled and singers were only window dressing. This was also an amazing time for drummers, because a large percentage of us drummers ran those bands. But the Krupas of the world were so convinced that their fame would last forever that the thought of big band singers like Frank Sinatra becoming more popular than themselves was impossible.

We of course probably know what happened next. With nothing but vocals being heard in the US for over 2 years, the public got used to that sound and cared less for instrumental music. After all, back in those days all radio music was on a top 40 rotation. So if the 40 most popular new records are all vocals, the people who really don't listen that hard (which is most) kind of become brainwashed and just go along, especially when that's what you hear all day. And since America was already essentially in charge of the world's entertainment industry, the rest of the world pretty much followed along.

The ban lasted over 2 years, and when it was finally lifted the entire direction of music had changed, and for the largest part, that's why we talk about Britney Spears all the time even when she doesn't make music and why nobody knows who her drummer is. See back in the day, that drummer would have probably been her boss.

The irony of the union getting greedy for that penny was that no one understood then how a recording was free advertising for the band's tour that always followed. In fact the customer actually pays for that record that advertises the band's tour, meaning that the musician is paid twice...or the perfect arrangement. But back then people didn't get that.

A 300 year pattern of instrumentalists dominating music which resulted in a golden age of drumming was changed forever, not only because of the stupidity of the industry, but because of the greed of those sworn to protect the instrumentalist, meaning our case the drummer.

Apparently in the last 70-80 years musicians have had very little to do with the direction of their own creations.

[-Obscurity-]

Rap is music now? When did that happen?

[Maggot Dream]

Hip Hop ISN'T "musically complex"
I don't know why you guys keep saying that.
It seems like people just want to say that to make Hip Hop a more substantial genre.

It depends on how you define complexity. The examples I cited before are simply type of 'complexity.'

Oh and Maggot.
Give me one commercial rap artist who'se good.
Like you've heard on the radio, a reasonable amount of time.

Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Bone Thugz-N-Harmony, Outkast, Timbaland.

"Good" is an incredibly subjective term, you see. I personally don't care for MF Doom, but you seem to love him. That's really fine with me, as long as you don't try to say that mainstream hip-hop is objectively bad.

[Obelisk]

Kinda skimmed over most of this thread, DX had some good points.

Like I've mentioned before, consider today's pop music as "Music Entertainment", just like the WWE is "Sports Entertainment". You do have to be talented to get there, and I take nothing away from either the athletic ability required for the wrestlers, or the music ability of the today's pop stars, but honestly put them in the ring with real wrestlers, and they'd get thier butt whipped. The practice moves, and it's all choreagraphed. Same is applied in pop music - hired studio musicians, pitch correction, photoshop, advanced digital effects... all put together to make this saleable package. The average consumer can't tell the difference.

The music "industry" is crapping thier pants right now. They are doing everything they can to make a buck before the bottom drops out on them. Look at the early days of mp3's and digital downloads - had the "industry" actually paid attention, instead of living in this fantasy world they created, they would have realized that if they were on the ball they could have prevented things like Napster from happening. Now that the infrastructre is in place for bands to distribute thier own music world wide, the need for the label is falling.

Look at what Radiohead just did. Who's to say that every name band out there doesn't do the same when thier contracts expire? This will help weed though all the crap that the indusry keeps feeding us. We'll hopefully be able to find good quality music with out the aide of the media being pushed by labels to play the hell out of sub-par artists. Keeping in mind it's big bucks driving who gets exposure. Not talent.

[-Obscurity-]

That's really fine with me, as long as you don't try to say that mainstream hip-hop is objectively bad.

Well it's not that mainstream hip-hop is bad. It's just that it's SOOO bad that scientists have now dropped all cancer and aids research in hopes of finding a cure for rap instead.

[We_Love_Lime]

It depends on how you define complexity. The examples I cited before are simply type of 'complexity.'



Eminem, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Bone Thugz-N-Harmony, Outkast, Timbaland.

"Good" is an incredibly subjective term, you see. I personally don't care for MF Doom, but you seem to love him. That's really fine with me, as long as you don't try to say that mainstream hip-hop is objectively bad.

Honostly..
When was the last time Dre or Eminem, or Outkast put out an album.
Outkast had their idlewild, which got Terrible reviews.
Dre is way past his prime, and Eminem is getting there as well...
I haven't heard them on the radio in a while.
While they did receive commercial success, they aren't popular NOW, which was what the question was directed towards.
At a time ATCQ and Tupac were all commercial, but I'm talking about now.

I understand your idea of "Good" being a subjective term.
But Great Expectations, we've grown to understand that that is a GOOD book, regardless of what we like it or not.
Not saying that Doom is in the league of Charles Dickens (Or in a music sense, let's so say the Beatles)

Most people can come to the conclusion that MF Doom is "Good"
I think at least.
Whether you like him or not, for his lyrical content or for his flow, or his production or whatever is beside the fact, because there are a lot of people here that would choose MF Doom over something played on the radio today.

[Win A Rabbit]

Good job, guys. I thought for sure this thread would die, but we managed to keep it alive.

STICKY PLEASE. THIS THREAD IS ESSENTIAL.

[the_pure_drummer]

I like eminem :-/ Does that count?

Also, one of my favourite bands just randomly released a trip hop album. I have nothing to compare to but i like it.

http://deathboy.anti-goth.com/Trip-Hop/Trip-Hop.zip

*downloads*

[Maggot Dream]

When was the last time Dre or Eminem, or Outkast put out an album.
Outkast had their idlewild, which got Terrible reviews.
Dre is way past his prime, and Eminem is getting there as well...
I haven't heard them on the radio in a while.
While they did receive commercial success, they aren't popular NOW, which was what the question was directed towards.
At a time ATCQ and Tupac were all commercial, but I'm talking about now.

That's not what you said. You said, "Give me one commercial rap artist who's good." I gave you several. Aside from those, even, there are many others who many people would consider good, despite the fact that you don't.

In any event, Outkast just did a single with UGK that is excellent. Speaking of which, UGK's latest album is great as well.

I understand your idea of "Good" being a subjective term.
But Great Expectations, we've grown to understand that that is a GOOD book, regardless of what we like it or not.
Not saying that Doom is in the league of Charles Dickens (Or in a music sense, let's so say the Beatles)

Most people can come to the conclusion that MF Doom is "Good"
I think at least.
Whether you like him or not, for his lyrical content or for his flow, or his production or whatever is beside the fact, because there are a lot of people here that would choose MF Doom over something played on the radio today.

I disagree. Many people would come to the conclusion that MF Doom is not good, because they have different ideas of what "good" means.

And the reverse can be applied, as well. Many people would choose a mainstream hip-hop artist over MF Doom, because they don't find anything good about his music. Therefore, whether you like him or not, for any of the reasons you listed, is irrelevant, because there are many people who would say the opposite.

Oh, and I can still say the Beatles aren't good, if I want to, and still have a legitimate opinion. They should be recognized as important, influential, innovative, but "good" is separate from all of these.

[TravisBarkerrules]

Damn, this thread got crazy. DX, you are quite a bright man.

I didnt read everything that you all have said, mostly because some of it I have not a damn clue who you all are talking about.

Rap music has become the mainstream music along with poppy rock. There isn't anything currently from my generation that scream iconic band that will be known forever.

[We_Love_Lime]

That's not what you said. You said, "Give me one commercial rap artist who's good." I gave you several. Aside from those, even, there are many others who many people would consider good, despite the fact that you don't.

In any event, Outkast just did a single with UGK that is excellent. Speaking of which, UGK's latest album is great as well.



I disagree. Many people would come to the conclusion that MF Doom is not good, because they have different ideas of what "good" means.

And the reverse can be applied, as well. Many people would choose a mainstream hip-hop artist over MF Doom, because they don't find anything good about his music. Therefore, whether you like him or not, for any of the reasons you listed, is irrelevant, because there are many people who would say the opposite.

Oh, and I can still say the Beatles aren't good, if I want to, and still have a legitimate opinion. They should be recognized as important, influential, innovative, but "good" is separate from all of these.

Well yes, but we're talking in the context of NOW.
hense the thread title "My generation".
I could have listed many, and yes, You have a point, at one time there were, but if you listen to the radio today, I'd like you to give me a couple.

In terms of Good.
We can both come to the conclusion that there are certain people who are better then 50 Cent and whatever the **** else is playing.
Without getting into the philisophical idea of "what is good?", we can just assume that 50 is crap, and gives us nothing "good" musically.

If the beatles were influential, important, and everything you listed, wouldn't that make them "Good?"
With your philosphy, what is influental? what is Important?

I understand what you're saying about how good music differes from person to person based on personal preference.
But don't you think there has been a standard set that people go by which seperates Soulja Boy (as bad) from Talib Kweli (as good)?

[the_pure_drummer]

That deathboy album sucks complete dick. Just full of shitty synths and groaning.

[We_Love_Lime]

is that Phil's album?

[Win A Rabbit]

:lol: this thread delivers.

[the_pure_drummer]

is that Phil's album?

That's the one phil posted....

[Mirror.Circuit]

Nope I am at Millard North.

Not a Benson Bunny.

Your marching band is ridiculous.
Are you in marching band?

[Electric Requiem]

Damn, this thread got crazy. DX, you are quite a bright man.

I didnt read everything that you all have said, mostly because some of it I have not a damn clue who you all are talking about.

Rap music has become the mainstream music along with poppy rock. There isn't anything currently from my generation that scream iconic band that will be known forever.

I think some very popular bands like tool and radiohead will be remembered quite well. But just remember: Its a lot easier to be remembered if you A) kill yourself, or B) get killed.

[Amit]

Why do people always act like the only good hip-hop artists around are the underground ones? What, specifically, is wrong with mainstream hip-hop? This whole backpacker tone around here is really getting old.

YES YES YES YES YES

bone thugs n harmony
timbaland
ugk
chamillionaire

honky backpackers can go eat a poorly produced dick

Well yes, but we're talking in the context of NOW.
hense the thread title "My generation".
I could have listed many, and yes, You have a point, at one time there were, but if you listen to the radio today, I'd like you to give me a couple.

In terms of Good.
We can both come to the conclusion that there are certain people who are better then 50 Cent and whatever the **** else is playing.
Without getting into the philisophical idea of "what is good?", we can just assume that 50 is crap, and gives us nothing "good" musically.

If the beatles were influential, important, and everything you listed, wouldn't that make them "Good?"
With your philosphy, what is influental? what is Important?

I understand what you're saying about how good music differes from person to person based on personal preference.
But don't you think there has been a standard set that people go by which seperates Soulja Boy (as bad) from Talib Kweli (as good)?

you are a complete moron

[We_Love_Lime]

i know :(

[We_Love_Lime]

wait no
you are a complete moron.

[Btrutt87]

no i am

[Undisco Kidd]

All of you guy's bashing rap are ****ing retarded and hideously close minded.
On the same token, 90% of classic rocks blows a[size=2]s[size]s compared to a lot of the stuff going on today.

Gary Burton, Apollo Sunshine, Avishai Cohen, Heernt, Minus the Bear, New Pornographers, etc. So much good new music in abundance (not that Gary Burton and Avishai Cohen are 'new')

[r1mbaud]

All of you guy's bashing rap are ****ing retarded and hideously close minded.
On the same token, 90% of classic rocks blows a[size=2]s[size]s compared to a lot of the stuff going on today.

Gary Burton, Apollo Sunshine, Avishai Cohen, Heernt, Minus the Bear, New animal photographsographers, etc. So much good new music in abundance (not that Gary Burton and Avishai Cohen are 'new')

They were attacking certain aspects of the genre not the entire thing, one defending commercial and one attacking it and promoting underground music. That invented statistic is an embarrassingly outlandish claim :smoke:.

[static]

All of you guy's bashing rap are ****ing retarded and hideously close minded.
On the same token, 90% of classic rocks blows a[size=2]s[size]s compared to a lot of the stuff going on today.

Gary Burton, Apollo Sunshine, Avishai Cohen, Heernt, Minus the Bear, New Pornographers, etc. So much good new music in abundance (not that Gary Burton and Avishai Cohen are 'new')

:):)

[Seafroggys]

All of you guy's bashing rap are ****ing retarded and hideously close minded.
On the same token, 90% of classic rocks blows a[size=2]s[size]s compared to a lot of the stuff going on today.

Gary Burton, Apollo Sunshine, Avishai Cohen, Heernt, Minus the Bear, New animal photographsographers, etc. So much good new music in abundance (not that Gary Burton and Avishai Cohen are 'new')

lol that post is so freaken hilarious, does no one else pick up on the irony? Even if it was unintended.

And T2 was a kickass movie! Well, Terminator was probably the best, but T2 was killer as well, and T3 was not that bad.

[static]

Beatles are overrated and for the most part, garbage.

[Seafroggys]

Beatles are overrated and for the most part, garbage.

I don't think they're overrated. Everybody here hates them.

[static]

Nice rep comment. Don't get too hissy.

[Seafroggys]

Oh god, heaven forbid I actually say something short and ineffective to some idiot who posts a short and ineffective post! Lord almighty, please forgive me! :rolleyes:

[static]

We all know you are covering up your tears with the internets harsh and powerful words.

[Seafroggys]

You really need to come up with something witty for a change. Fighting with morons like you on the intertubz is like the special olympics.

[static]

Old memes = suck.
Old memes in word form = epic suck.

[Seafroggys]

Man, I seriously wonder why I hang out so much on the internet. Any 14 year old can act like some godlike bully who can't be touched, because they wrap themselves up in a web of witty responses that prevents them from being effectively attacked, insulted, or what have you. Where in real life they're probably the most timid of people.

I will admit, I'm a lot harsher on the net then in real life, for similar reasons, but at least I'll admit it. Unlike 95% of MX. Them and their two line opinions :lol:

Evans, its really hard to take you seriously. If you think The Beatles suck so much, give me reasons why. I beg you to convince me otherwise. Despite my fanatical love of the band, I am a man of principles of reason and logic, if anybody can bring forth enough evidence, reason, and logic, then I will be convinced that is the right way.

I'm waiting for a response, Evans. Show me. I beg you. Please.

[static]

penis LOL

[SlicedBread]

quite honestly I doubt there will ever be a big band again. At least that has actual musical talent. With T.V. and music videos it is about look as much if not more than it is about the music, and so record companies and labels push the look before the music, so a lot of the really good bands that don't have the look don't get any media and are not heard enough to become big enough.

BUT to answer you question: http://www.myspace.com/mercyfall

[Seafroggys]

I honestly think a big band would be possible, it just has to be outside of the 5 megacorperations.

[Maggot Dream]

Well yes, but we're talking in the context of NOW.
hense the thread title "My generation".
I could have listed many, and yes, You have a point, at one time there were, but if you listen to the radio today, I'd like you to give me a couple.

In terms of Good.
We can both come to the conclusion that there are certain people who are better then 50 Cent and whatever the **** else is playing.
Without getting into the philisophical idea of "what is good?", we can just assume that 50 is crap, and gives us nothing "good" musically.

If the beatles were influential, important, and everything you listed, wouldn't that make them "Good?"
With your philosphy, what is influental? what is Important?

I understand what you're saying about how good music differes from person to person based on personal preference.
But don't you think there has been a standard set that people go by which seperates Soulja Boy (as bad) from Talib Kweli (as good)?

I gave you several. I don't see what the issue is.

No, sorry, we can't assume that 50 Cent is crap. I don't like him, particularly, but I don't understand why you seem to choose him as your example of bad mainstream hip-hop. Many people like his music, and there's nothing wrong with that.

The fact that the Beatles are important or influential doesn't make them "good," necessarily, in my mind. I'm not saying I don't like them (I do), but many people would not consider them to be good. It's really very simple.

Again, some people consider Soulja Boy to be good, while they would consider Talib Kweli to be bad. Any way you look at it, the reverse can be applied. I don't care for either of them very much, but that's only me. You're just trying to apply different examples to the same subjective standards, which in itself does not work.

[GhostNote]

Whenever someone wants to be right they jump on the 'subjective' bandwagon :rolleyes:

What Lime is saying is completely true. You hear one artist and a different artist from the same genre and you can tell which is better because of the originality and what they bring to the genre and music in general. Some people might think that (artist) is good, but others thing that (artist2) is good. But any way you look at it someone will still be able to distinguish which one is better for the afore mentioned reasons. The only way you can argue that it isn't is if you get two equally influential (but in different ways) artists from the same genre. 50 Cent is not as influential as Talib Kweli. Simple as that.


-GN

[We_Love_Lime]

I gave you several. I don't see what the issue is.

No, sorry, we can't assume that 50 Cent is crap. I don't like him, particularly, but I don't understand why you seem to choose him as your example of bad mainstream hip-hop. Many people like his music, and there's nothing wrong with that.

The fact that the Beatles are important or influential doesn't make them "good," necessarily, in my mind. I'm not saying I don't like them (I do), but many people would not consider them to be good. It's really very simple.

Again, some people consider Soulja Boy to be good, while they would consider Talib Kweli to be bad. Any way you look at it, the reverse can be applied. I don't care for either of them very much, but that's only me. You're just trying to apply different examples to the same subjective standards, which in itself does not work.

If you say.
I honostly haven't heard much of Eminem, Dre, or Outkast in quite a while, despite Outkast's new album.
But allright..we shan't dwell on this too long.

I think you're respecting people's opinions TOO much.
Obviously, my examples don't work.
Let's take some horrible band (Horrible BY a majority opinon)
Now if someone likes this horrible band, does that make them Good?
No, because the majority of society labels them bad, and that's how it is.
You can still like that band, and you can still think they're good, but there's not going to be a lot of people who agree with you, and they don't like their music, and they DO think their bad.
The World is large enough, that ALL music (Even music not widley produced) can be listened to, and people can have reviews, and from those reviews we determine the quality of an album.
We might not enjoy that album, but we understand that by the reviews, it's either a good, or not so good album.
Whether you like it or not, there IS a difference between someone thinking it's good, and it actually BEING good.

Your philosphical approach could be applyed to many things.
It's an approach which just pointlessly elongates the discussion.

I understand what you're saying, but I stand by my point of society imposes guidlines to music, which we accept, and which we follow.
And obviously from there we can develop our own ideas and listen to our OWN music...
But that stipulation is STILL there.

[Amit]

no that's a stupid argument

if someone likes a band regardless of what everyone else thinks then the band is good to them

if someone doesn't like a band even though they are almost universally liked, then the band is bad to them

you really don't understand subjectivity do you?

[PandaDrummer]

people don't understand opinions.
or the fact that arguing on the internet is completely retarded.

[We_Love_Lime]

no that's a stupid argument

if someone likes a band regardless of what everyone else thinks then the band is good to them

if someone doesn't like a band even though they are almost universally liked, then the band is bad to them

you really don't understand subjectivity do you?

Yeah I know.
Thanks.
I said that.

[Amit]

The World is large enough, that ALL music (Even music not widley produced) can be listened to, and people can have reviews, and from those reviews we determine the quality of an album.
We might not enjoy that album, but we understand that by the reviews, it's either a good, or not so good album.
Whether you like it or not, there IS a difference between someone thinking it's good, and it actually BEING good.

like seriously

who actually thinks this hahahah

[TravisBarkerrules]

Your marching band is ridiculous.
Are you in marching band?

Nope, I am not supprised they are good because the band dude is crazy. Yet, he is hilarious.

Well, personally, I am a fan of real instruments in my songs, call me oldschool but this midi/samples stuff is getting kind of rediculous.

Alright no one will probably do this, but what do you look for in a "good" band. Please make it a list.

[Amit]

wtf is wrong with midi/samples

Alright no one will probably do this, but what do you look for in a "good" band. Please make it a list.

are you retarded

[We_Love_Lime]

Nothing.
Except if you don't know what you're doing (me).
Midi Guitar sounds pretty lame <_< :(

Sampling seems pretty heard actually.

[Amit]

midi guitar only sounds as lame as the person programming for it

[maniac0796]

^ That.

Just like if you record a guitar, it'll only sound as good as the guitar and the amp you're playing through.

The people I hate most are those that go "I used to love X band, but then they got big, and now I don't like them".

Smooth going asshat. So because a band became successful, most likely with some of your partial help, even if it is to the minute degree, that makes them bad?

[Amit]

i think the only valid conclusion is that there are a lot of morons on this website

[Seafroggys]

i think the only valid conclusion is that there are a lot of morons on this website

you and I think alike, my friend.

[TravisBarkerrules]

i think the only valid conclusion is that there are a lot of morons on this website

wtf is wrong with midi/samples



are you retarded



I really dont like you... Seriously, my issues with sampling and other crap are that it isn't a true musicial expression from a person and thank you for calling me retarded.

[Amit]

of course it's a true musical expression

do you understand what sampling is

[TravisBarkerrules]

Yes, god damnit. But what I am say in form of DRUMS USED IN RAP MUSIC(alot of popular rap music) It is seriously just a opening of a high hat and a snare drum.

My issue doesnt really lie with sampling stuff besides drums but drums and drum sounds.

[Amit]

oh look guys it's a retard making retarded blanket generalizations let's give the retard a cookie

this is the opening track to a hip hop album that debuted at #2:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-qrZ_2FJI_Q

plz program that beat for me if it's so easy to do :)

[TravisBarkerrules]

Please come to Nebraska so I can shove this keyboard down your throat.

But yes, I will admit I am ingnorant in forms of rap music. It is true that niether could I program or play that.

[Amit]

lol angry 14 year olds on the internet

[TravisBarkerrules]

Yes, watch out for me and my alleged 14 years of age...Sweet. Furthermore, you are right that I dont know anything about rap, so I am going to be incorrect quite a bit. Again though my personal opinion is that live drums in a band is more appealing.

[Amit]

live drums can do things sequencers can't do

sequencers can do things live drums can't do

are you following me

[TravisBarkerrules]

Yes, I do. and your right. I just think that there is more feeling thrown into the music when it is created by numerous musicians rather than some producer makin "beats".

[Amit]

producer makin beats can do things numerous musicians can't do

numerous musicians can do things producer makin beats can't do

are you following me

[TravisBarkerrules]

Damn. You are really showing me up here. Yes.

[Amit]

it is wonderful that you feel that a band appeals to you more than a producer

but you should realize that a producer often works with a band as well

[TravisBarkerrules]

Yeah, I do one of my favorite bands right now that i mentioned earlier in this thread(A. Symbiont) has quite abit of programmed stuff. I dont really know what my arguement was about, its been a bad football day, forgive me. Actually listening to your song currently, what program did you use?

[Maggot Dream]

Yeah, people need to understand that almost all bands (from almost any genre) have a hired producer working with them.

I mean, just listen to the Flaming Lips. Good musicianship, sure, but that band would be nowhere near as great if their production weren't so incredible. The Soft Bulletin especially.

[Seafroggys]

The Beatles are another great example too. Without George Martin, they probably would not have gotten very far past the Beatlemania stage.

[Maggot Dream]

That's a decent point, especially on Abbey Road and Revolver. Coincidentally, those are my two favorite Beatles albums.

[We_Love_Lime]

I like Revolver too.
I bought the album cover shirt before I listened to the album though because the shirt looked cool.
Then I listened to the album.

Amit's probably going to call me a **** moron now.

[Mirror.Circuit]

Nope, I am not supprised they are good because the band dude is crazy. Yet, he is hilarious.


Yeah,he is a crazy old guy.
As far as music goes...
Listen to what you like,ignore what anyone else says.

[Win A Rabbit]

Another productive thread in D&P.

And we wonder why D&P is laughed at by the rest of the forum...

gj, guys. :)

[Seafroggys]

I don't see why we should be insulted. I visited afew threads in the Bass Forum and we are much....much better.

[TravisBarkerrules]

I doesnt matter its just someone elses opinion.

[Bonham#1!]

I love the Beatles

[Win A Rabbit]

I love the Beatles
stfu beatles r gay bcuz they r pop and all pop is ghey.

no, pop iz the best so the beatles r teh best.

no wait beatles rnt tehcnicul so tehy r ghey.

beatls r technciul. ur ghey.

i m right.

i m right.

no i m right.

no i m right.

u r rong.

/thread.

[FockerTheLopper]

uR oN tEh cR4Kkzors n00b! ^

[Chippy569]

stfu beatles r gay bcuz they r pop and all pop is ghey.

no, pop iz the best so the beatles r teh best.

no wait beatles rnt tehcnicul so tehy r ghey.

beatls r technciul. ur ghey.

i m right.

i m right.

no i m right.

no i m right.

u r rong.

/thread.

great summary of this thread, ty.

[Drum Phil]

That deathboy album sucks complete dick. Just full of poopty synths and groaning.


God forbid an electronic band use synth.

[ringworm]

Rap is music now? When did that happen?
music=expression

rap=expression

[DxRocker]

In light of the direction this whole discussion is taking, I would like to make a little statement here:

There is a HUGE difference between a producer tweaking a band's songs here and there to "perfect" it on the one hand, and having a guy create an entire album behind his pc without even touching an instrument, and then boast about the fact that their song holds "86 tracks". Off course 70 of those are just samples taken from REAL hits.

Have some wonnabe gangsta or some barbie doll on coke sing some lyrics over it and bam... Hit the charts.

That's the music industry these days.

You guys are talking about what "good" music is and how it relates to "musical expression" and "influence" in the genre etc etc...

What you all fail to mention is that NOBODY at the studio actually cares about all that. They don't make music to "express" something (unless it's sex and crime off course), to "advance the art" of music or to put a musical stamp in history... no no.

They make music to SELL. Nothing more or less. If crap sells, then crap they'll make. If house sells, then house they"ll make. If wonnabe gangsta rap sells, then wonnabe gangsta rap they'll make. And if it doesn't sell anymore, they our spit out, thrown in the gutter and replaced by something that DOES sell (no matter how musically genious or expressive it was)

That's reality. Wheter you agree or like that is another thing.
Personally, I think it's disgusting and totally lame.

Like the proverb goes: "when art meets the allmighty dollar, it turns into kitch".

[Amit]

you are dumb as ****

congratulations for spouting off the same old tired stupid *** views that have already been addressed and demolished not only in this thread, but in countless threads since your sorry *** joined this forum

people who hate on hip hop have no reason not to hate on whatever untalented, boring **** they're into

you are not better than any form of music; sorry to break the news to you

now go back listening to children of bodom or dream theater lolol

[We_Love_Lime]

me?

[Amit]

talking to dxrocker sry bro

[We_Love_Lime]

it's coool.

You already told me I was an idiot, and I just wanted to know if you were reminding me or something.

I can dig it.

[Amit]

it's just the way i show my affection :']

[We_Love_Lime]

Oh that's good.
I guess I should stop crying now then.

[Seafroggys]

you are dumb as ****

congratulations for spouting off the same old tired stupid *** views that have already been addressed and demolished not only in this thread, but in countless threads since your sorry *** joined this forum

people who hate on hip hop have no reason not to hate on whatever untalented, boring **** they're into

you are not better than any form of music; sorry to break the news to you

now go back listening to children of bodom or dream theater lolol

Subjectivity is overrated.

[-Obscurity-]

music=expression

rap=expression

So all I have to do to make music is express myself huh? Then I'll just record the sound of me taking a crap on the new Fiddy Cent album. Look at me, I'm a musician now!

[Win A Rabbit]

:lol: this thread is still alive.


btw, lime wins for Not Taking The Internet Too Seriously. :)

[ringworm]

So all I have to do to make music is express myself huh? Then I'll just record the sound of me taking a crap on the new Fiddy Cent album. Look at me, I'm a musician now!


well, its exactly what you did with your band, expressed yourself?

somone could easily say it sounds like a fresh crap too

but you clearly missed the point, music is music

[Panopticon]

So all I have to do to make music is express myself huh? Then I'll just record the sound of me taking a crap on the new Fiddy Cent album. Look at me, I'm a musician now!

would make for some pretty crappy music:wave:

[the_pure_drummer]

that was sooooooo bad lol.

[We_Love_Lime]

:lol: this thread is still alive.


btw, lime wins for Not Taking The Internet Too Seriously. :)

YES

[the_pure_drummer]

If your generation sucks......


suck back :)

[-Obscurity-]

well, its exactly what you did with your band, expressed yourself?

somone could easily say it sounds like a fresh crap too

but you clearly missed the point, music is music

Music is music. Confucius say.

[DxRocker]

you are dumb as ****

great opening :lol:

congratulations for spouting off the same old tired stupid *** views that have already been addressed and demolished not only in this thread, but in countless threads since your sorry *** joined this forum

people who hate on hip hop have no reason not to hate on whatever untalented, boring **** they're into

Seems to me that you are the one filled with hate.
I don't hate hip hop. I just don't like it. For the most part, I think it's quite ridiculous actually. All those "homeboyz", lol. They can do what they want for all I care. And yes, when you would want to discuss with me the musicianship of hip hop and alike, then you'll find that I don't really have much of an opinion on the genre.

you are not better than any form of music; sorry to break the news to you

Never said I was. Although some of those "artists" do really deserve a Darwin award.


now go back listening to children of bodom or dream theater lolol

I'm not really into metal anymore.

[-Obscurity-]

I'm not really into metal anymore.

What was funny is that earlier he/she accused someone of making blanket generalizations, and then he/she/it turns right around and does it to you.

[Drum Phil]

Thats because Amit is a complete prat.

[Sunshine]

I don't see the big deal, really..

Omgz, rap is crap is taking over the whole music industry my favorite type of music isnt on the radio all the time omg omgomgomg.

It's like, rap/hip hop/R&B/what-have-you isn't going to take over the universe.
Especially these days, where it's easier to self-record and distribute music over the internet, or in your local scene or whatever.
So what if your favorite band isn't on the radio 24/7?
Plus, without the pressures to please anyone but themselves, music can be more...artist-influenced than executive-influenced.

[Amit]

Seems to me that you are the one filled with hate.
I don't hate hip hop. I just don't like it. For the most part, I think it's quite ridiculous actually. All those "homeboyz", lol. They can do what they want for all I care. And yes, when you would want to discuss with me the musicianship of hip hop and alike, then you'll find that I don't really have much of an opinion on the genre.

there's no problem with not liking hip hop

but there are plenty of problems with making inane and misinformed generalizations about an entire genre of music

Never said I was. Although some of those "artists" do really deserve a Darwin award.

so does the poster who wrote this pithy piece of prose:

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15415069&postcount=132

I'm not really into metal anymore.

argh it's a joke

although it's even more funny that it's partially true

What was funny is that earlier he/she accused someone of making blanket generalizations, and then he/she/it turns right around and does it to you.

jokes mothersquirreler do u speak em

[Seafroggys]

Ah yes, the infamous "now that I've been called out on I'll just say I was joking cause its the internets LOL" line

[Chippy569]

jokes mothersquirreler do u speak em

error: does not translate on internets.

if you want to make a comment dripping in sarcasm, at least use some form of emoticon or [/sarcasm] tag or SOMETHING so that everyone else knows. Otherwise you just look like an ignorant prick. which may or may not be the case anyway.

[Drum Phil]

Everyone knows amit's another pointless pitrat.

[static]

Not me.

[Drum Phil]

Yes but to be honest george, you're heading the same way.

Hence why you're banned.

[static]

Amit is not a pit rat at all.


Have you actually listened to his music? Much better than your industrial loving punk self could even fathom to create.

[Drum Phil]

Uh huh. So clearly when i listen to music far more complex than most people, i couldnt possible fathom some interwebz kids stuff.

[static]

Right, because punk and industrial is so complex.

[Drum Phil]

Perhaps not, but given that im currently listening to Richard Vagner, i'd say his symphonys were far more complex than anything ever created by members here.

[static]

That is not the point. My points is you called Amit a pit rat, when he is actually one of the most musically intellectual users here.

[Seafroggys]

That is not the point. My points is you called Amit a pit rat, when he is actually one of the most musically intellectual users here.

he really shows that trait off, don't he?

[Drum Phil]

Ah yes, he's so clearly very intelligent and knows a lot about music.

What with his mindless insults and such.

[static]

Yes, if you actually looked at some of his posts.

[Seafroggys]

Yes, if you actually looked at some of his posts.

Yes, I've looked at some of his posts. Thank you for assuming I blindly judge things.

[Drum Phil]

He's made the whole of..... no intelligent posts in all the time ive bothered to read his.

I dont put people on ignore but the bullshit he comes out with forced it.

You're going the same way as well kiddo. You used to be a decent user but lately you're just another prat who thinks he can do what he wishes.

[static]

Then you should know that he is, in fact, intellectual.

[Amit]

Perhaps not, but given that im currently listening to Richard Vagner, i'd say his symphonys were far more complex than anything ever created by members here.

hahahahah

man you drummers crack me up

[Seafroggys]

hahahahah

man you drummers crack me up

Well at least we're funny. You crack me up out of sympathy.

[Drum Phil]

hahahahah

man you drummers crack me up

Yes, proved his intellect there didnt he.

[Amit]

why do i have to prove anything

OH YEA I LISTEN TO RICHARD "VAGNER"

pure golddd

[Drum Phil]

Uh huh.

You need to take a step back from the keyboard kiddo.

[Amit]

no really impress me more

do u listen to wolfgang amadayus moezahrt as well

[Drum Phil]

Arent you witty.

You're just another retard who thinks its cool to come and spam up forums.

[Amit]

how am i spamming

i had perfectly valid and on topic conversations with people in this thread; all you've done is cry and whine about me

u need to take a step back from the keyboard kiddo

btw it's actually spelled richard wagner (i guess the distinction between spelling and pronunciation is 2complexandintellectual4u LoL)

and i guess that's the funniest bit about your post; you tried to impress him with your sophistication and you can't even spell the god damn composer's name properly

[Drum Phil]

Ah yes, you would know all about the english language, what with your amazing grammar and all.

I havent whined about you, ive downright insulted you. Totally different.

Whereas all you've done is picked up on one spelling mistake.


Your 'perfectly valid' topic was in fact just a tantrum about people disliking a form of music.

Im done with you now.

Enjoy yourself.

[Amit]

what's wrong with my grammar

lol kiddos

[Chippy569]

sum of thread so far.

"My music is more complex than yours is"
"So? it's punk"
"But its complex. I know more about music" (btw, how does "i listen to complex music = i know all about music?)
"No i know more about music"
"Well that doesn't matter, we're talking about pitrats"
"well you're a pit rat"
"well you're a pit rat"
"well he hasn't made any intelligent posts in this thread. therefore he's a dumbass pitrat"
"omg i need to prove myself, i listen to 'vagner' lulz you cant spell"

who's the bigger twat? i can't decide...

it's like the pot calling the kettle black, and the kettle calling the pot the darkest possible shade of white. errr?

[Amit]

umm i'm just here to correct people's misperceptions about music, aesthetics, and subjectivity

all phil's done is make baseless attacks on my character! :'[

[static]

I don't know where I fit into that.

[Drum Phil]

Uh huh. Yes chippy, you're totally right and have understood perfectly.

[/sarcasm]

[Chippy569]

umm i'm just here to correct people's misperceptions about music, aesthetics, and subjectivity

i would have dropped this and left it alone, but the daftness of this phrase demands an answer. How can you correct someone's subjectivity? or aesthetics, which are subjective anyway? That doesn't even make sense: "dude your opinion is WRONG!" :rolleyes:

[Amit]

i would have dropped this and left it alone, but the daftness of this phrase demands an answer. How can you correct someone's subjectivity? or aesthetics, which are subjective anyway? That doesn't even make sense: "dude your opinion is WRONG!" :rolleyes:

you can certainly correct errors in identifying what is subjective and objective

something that plagues a lot of users on this website!

thanks for providing a fine example :]

[Chippy569]

like this?

you are dumb as ****

congratulations for spouting off the same old tired stupid *** views that have already been addressed and demolished not only in this thread, but in countless threads since your sorry *** joined this forum

people who hate on hip hop have no reason not to hate on whatever untalented, boring **** they're into

you are not better than any form of music; sorry to break the news to you

now go back listening to children of bodom or dream theater lolol

this is definitely the best way to dispel the differences between subjective and objective.

[Sunshine]

THIS THREAD SHOULD BE STICKIED!!!

srs. gj, guys.

Good job, guys. I thought for sure this thread would die, but we managed to keep it alive.

STICKY PLEASE. THIS THREAD IS ESSENTIAL.

:lol: this thread delivers.

Another productive thread in D&P.

And we wonder why D&P is laughed at by the rest of the forum...

gj, guys. :)

:lol: this thread is still alive.


btw, lime wins for Not Taking The Internet Too Seriously. :)

Chippy, you forgot all these.







Anyway.
Music industry doesn't matter.
Choose to ignore it if it makes you angry.
Either you can be brainwashed into thinking OMG IF ITS ON THE RADIO IT'S GOOD
or
OMG IF ITS ON THE RADIO ITS BAD
or
you can just
you know
like whatever music you want, regardless.
Party to a little Avenged Sevenfold, riot to a little Leftover Crack, dance to a little Sean Paul, rave to a little Euro DJ you found on the internet that nobody's ever heard of...like, whatever and stuff.

[A Dead Modernist]

rammerstien is so good omg check em out they r goin to revolutinionized musci with their indsutrilal beatsz and german lyrics, plus whaat do u have to lose, their not black lololol

ps - i listen to beathovan

[Drum Phil]

Uh huh. So i listen to rammstein for like, a week out of a year and you think you know my music taste?

Nice try.

[Amit]

sometimes when im feeling really intellectual i listen to some yohaun sebashtun bock

[Chippy569]

Uh huh. So i listen to rammstein for like, a week out of a year and you think you know my music taste?

Nice try.
"OMG YOU DON' KNOW ME! *snap snap*"


this thread brings the lulz.

[Amit]

indeed!

[Chippy569]

yep, your logical fallacies and genre egotism plus phil's statements all combine for some serious hillairity.

[Amit]

what logical fallacies or genre egotism

[Chippy569]

ima not quote the post again, since i did nine posts up or so, but to sum up what you said,

"you are dumb as ****.
omg people who hate hiphop have no reason to cuz they listen to equally untalented, boring ****
you are no better than a genre of music [which i believe means, you have no place to say one genre is better/worse than the other]
go back to listening to CoB and DT lulz"

which, when boiled down even further, says
"don't hate on hiphop cuz you listen to equally dumb ****! stupid metalheads"

which by reverse logic says hiphop is better than metal sans evidence or anything like that.

[We_Love_Lime]

I love how if Amit insults phil.
People have to start ****.
But If I get insulted by Amit.
I just take it like a bitch :(

[Chippy569]

maybe you should have spoken up then.

[Amit]

ima not quote the post again, since i did nine posts up or so, but to sum up what you said,

"you are dumb as ****.
omg people who hate hiphop have no reason to cuz they listen to equally untalented, boring ****
you are no better than a genre of music [which i believe means, you have no place to say one genre is better/worse than the other]
go back to listening to CoB and DT lulz"

which, when boiled down even further, says
"don't hate on hiphop cuz you listen to equally dumb ****! stupid metalheads"

which by reverse logic says hiphop is better than metal sans evidence or anything like that.

you completely missed the point and even misrepresented it in your summary

gg

[We_Love_Lime]

maybe you should have spoken up then.

and make myself look like a whiney bitching baby.
No thank you.
I'll just take my insults and leave this thread with what little dignity and self respect I still have.

I've been speaking up
Me and Maggot got in a reall pointless discussion about subjectivity and opinions like for 2093 pages.
It was rediculous
Read it if you ever have suicidal tendencies.

[-Obscurity-]

jokes mothersquirreler do u speak em

I speak English, something you should try learning sometime.

[Amit]

umm i speak english too what's your point

are you being racist

[We_Love_Lime]

My 8th grade US History teacher was racist.

[Seafroggys]

umm i speak english too what's your point

are you being racist

learn what racist means, and get back to us.

[Amit]

umm my question was perfectly valid

nice try though seafroggys i can really see the effort!

[JohnXDoe]

fu ts its a great song!

/neg'd :angry:

hey Amit....

[Seafroggys]

fu ts its a great song!

/neg'd :angry:

hey Amit....

haha thought you'd come in here seeing that thread title!

How's it going?

[Amit]

sup john u sly pitrat u

[static]

rammerstien is so good omg check em out they r goin to revolutinionized musci with their indsutrilal beatsz and german lyrics, plus whaat do u have to lose, their not black lololol

ps - i listen to beathovan

lol

sometimes when im feeling really intellectual i listen to some yohaun sebashtun bock

lol
"OMG YOU DON' KNOW ME! *snap snap*"


this thread brings the lulz.
lol

I love how if Amit insults phil.
People have to start ****.
But If I get insulted by Amit.
I just take it like a bitch :(
I'm sorry, I love you.

[mattsmith]

Whatever your opinions of hip hop as a genre per se, you have to admit that a number of creative concepts are evolving from it in a very positive way that are applicable in different musical settings. This is especially true of turntable mixes and scratching. Just look at what Jojo Mayer's been doing with Nerve. I mean I seriously love jazz. But I can also see how the stuff that surrounds hip hop has innovative potential that can be integrated into the stuff I want to be around.

[-Obscurity-]

umm i speak english too what's your point

are you being racist

I don't even know what race you are. Ever heard of punctuation? Capitalization? Sentence structure? Let me introduce you to them. They will be your friends. They will show you how type in a manner which will not make you look illiterate.

[We_Love_Lime]

I talk like this.
To tell people the correct ways to write.
Sentences.

[Win A Rabbit]

I speak in haikus
Because I am technical
Which means I'm better.

[slickrick1688]

My philosophy is that anything on the radio is generally not very good and if the general public wants to listen to it then good, just leaves all the better music for those who actually want to try and find something good and that is worth listening too. I'm also very glad that nothing I listen to really gets radio play. That would just be more people who listen to a "hit" song from some of the bands I listen to and only liking them for a song rather than for the band as a whole itself

[Win A Rabbit]

Those on radio
Talk in normal sentences.
They're not very good.

On the otherhand,
Haikus are so underground.
Popular means bad.

[Chippy569]

^ that was brilliant.


in MSP, there's a radio station called the Current, which is a public broadcasting channel, and plays all local "indie" music. but i guess it sucks, because it's on the radio. >.>

[slickrick1688]

I was actually talking about big radio stations, not public broadcasting. I didn't know they had public broadcasting radio stations.

[Chippy569]

89.9FM in the MSP area, or you can get the webcast. it's by no means a small station, in fact it's pretty up there in the MSP area's "most listened to" charts.

[slickrick1688]

Ok, well, regardless, i wasn't talking about stations like that. Besides, i said "generally".

[Chippy569]

it's still a horrid philosophy. what if someone just took your playlist and tossed it on a radio station? i guess you can't listen to it anymore, 'cuz it's on the radio now...


...uhh...

[slickrick1688]

Im not talking about "what ifs", I am talking about what is currently on the radio.

[Amit]

I don't even know what race you are. Ever heard of punctuation? Capitalization? Sentence structure? Let me introduce you to them. They will be your friends. They will show you how type in a manner which will not make you look illiterate.

haha i love it when people make assumptions about my linguistic abilities; the little high school kids or state college dimwits trying to lecture me especially make me lol

the funniest bit is when they try to correct me and fail miserably in meeting their very own standards

if you're going to speak proper english (which is a ridiculous thing considering the casual conversational environment this forum is but what would i know you look like you're pretty damn stupid), then do it properly at least when you're trying to patronize someone else :]

[Amit]

My philosophy is that anything on the radio is generally not very good and if the general public wants to listen to it then good, just leaves all the better music for those who actually want to try and find something good and that is worth listening too. I'm also very glad that nothing I listen to really gets radio play. That would just be more people who listen to a "hit" song from some of the bands I listen to and only liking them for a song rather than for the band as a whole itself

that's a such a stupid and juvenile philosophy

a song is not rendered bad because it's played on the radio; living by such dogmatic thinking really only closes opportunities for inspiration

i thought everyone knew this already

[-Obscurity-]

haha i love it when people make assumptions about my linguistic abilities; the little high school kids or state college dimwits trying to lecture me especially make me lol

the funniest bit is when they try to correct me and fail miserably in meeting their very own standards

if you're going to speak proper english (which is a ridiculous thing considering the casual conversational environment but what would i know you look like you're pretty damn stupid), then do it properly at least when you're trying to patronize someone else :]

jokes mothersquirler do you speak em

[spirit]

that's a such a stupid and juvenile philosophy

a song is not rendered bad because it's played on the radio; living by such dogmatic thinking really only closes opportunities for inspiration

i thought everyone knew this already

Agreed.

Besides, if he'd ever listened to John Peel (RIP), he'd know that he's wrong.

[slickrick1688]

Well, i personally do not like anything i hear on the radio, and that is my opinion. So thusly, in my opinion, everything on the radio is rendered "bad".

[spirit]

Well, i personally do not like anything i hear on the radio, and that is my opinion. So thusly, in my opinion, everything on the radio is rendered "bad".

So listen to some better stations.

[slickrick1688]

If there were any maybe. Id rather just listen to cds anyways.

[mattsmith]

haha i love it when people make assumptions about my linguistic abilities; the little high school kids or state college dimwits trying to lecture me especially make me lol

the funniest bit is when they try to correct me and fail miserably in meeting their very own standards

if you're going to speak proper english (which is a ridiculous thing considering the casual conversational environment this forum is but what would i know you look like you're pretty damn stupid), then do it properly at least when you're trying to patronize someone else :]

Isn't Amit the old Josiah nemesis Atman?

Agree or not with his tact and/or viewpoint, I seem to recall that he's a pre med student, which most likely qualifies him as one capable of proper sentence structure.

[Sunshine]

How do you know your own personal bias isn't getting in the way?
Now that you've come to the conclusion that everything on the radio is bad, whenever you hear something new you're automatically going to assume it, too, is bad.

It's just like...Good Charlotte's new song, "The River."
I actually know quite a few people who are like "Hey, wow, that song is pretty cool, the artist sounds kind of familiar...who is it?"
And you tell them "Oh, that's Good Charlotte, with the singer and one of the guitarists from Avenged Sevenfold."
And they say, not even kidding, "Good Charlotte? ...oh. This song blows. I hate this song."
Since they've decided that GC is bad, it automatically means everything they make is bad.

Same with food.
If you have a bad tofu experience, you're going to assume all tofu is bad no matter what quality and how it's cooked.

And so on, etc, there are plenty of examples.

[-Obscurity-]

How do you know your own personal bias isn't getting in the way?
Now that you've come to the conclusion that everything on the radio is bad, whenever you hear something new you're automatically going to assume it, too, is bad.

It's just like...Good Charlotte's new song, "The River."
I actually know quite a few people who are like "Hey, wow, that song is pretty cool, the artist sounds kind of familiar...who is it?"
And you tell them "Oh, that's Good Charlotte, with the singer and one of the guitarists from Avenged Sevenfold."
And they say, not even kidding, "Good Charlotte? ...oh. This song blows. I hate this song."
Since they've decided that GC is bad, it automatically means everything they make is bad.

Same with food.
If you have a bad tofu experience, you're going to assume all tofu is bad no matter what quality and how it's cooked.

And so on, etc, there are plenty of examples.

Good Charlotte = BAD
Tofu = BAD
Examples = FAYLE

[Seafroggys]

Well I kinda agree. I mean, I used to be all "Green Day sucks!" but I always stay on the radio channel when they come on, because their songs are actually kinda cool.

[slickrick1688]

I dont care who the artist is, I just don't plain like anything i hear on the radio, period. It has nothing to do with me having a pre-conception that everything is bad, I just don't like any of it. Every time I turn the radio on i am very disappointed.

[TravisBarkerrules]

I wont lie I hav bias about some bands. For instance, if I hear that Pete Weltz(Fallout Boy's Expert Tool) has anything to do with it then I will never listen to it again.

[keaton_86]

This thread is retarded. Someone lock this ****.

[Amit]

Isn't Amit the old Josiah nemesis Atman?

Agree or not with his tact and/or viewpoint, I seem to recall that he's a pre med student, which most likely qualifies him as one capable of proper sentence structure.

actually i switched to doing audio engineering when i graduate but i'm still going to graduate with a degree in central systems neuroscience

but yeah i guess how i type on an internet forum must automatically render me totally illiterate amirite

[Eliminator]

lol i actually read more than one page in this thread

[Chippy569]

i dunno, here at mtu some of the brightest engineers have the worst grammar.

[Amit]

did you even read my post

[TravisBarkerrules]

This thread is retarded. Someone lock this ****.

I started it and I agree.

[Chippy569]

did you even read my post

no, i really don't care what you have to say.:wave:

[Maggot Dream]

actually i switched to doing audio engineering when i graduate but i'm still going to graduate with a degree in central systems neuroscience

but yeah i guess how i type on an internet forum must automatically render me totally illiterate amirite

Are you still at JHU?

[Amit]

of course!

i plan on going to peabody after graduating

[-Obscurity-]

but yeah i guess how i type on an internet forum must automatically render me totally illiterate amirite

Keep in mind that how you type is generally all you have to represent yourself with on said internet forum. So although it may not make you illiterate in the real world, it sure makes you look like it here.

[static]

sup me

[Electric Requiem]

i dunno, here at mtu some of the brightest engineers have the worst grammar.

engineers have no need for proper grammar, we're just too cool

[Sunshine]

Good Charlotte = BAD
Tofu = BAD
Examples = FAYLE

Wrong.

[Maggot Dream]

of course!

i plan on going to peabody after graduating


I'm planning to apply at JHU (I'm a senior this year). I don't think they're going to let me in, though. :/

[Amit]

I'm planning to apply at JHU (I'm a senior this year). I don't think they're going to let me in, though. :/

you better apply!

and i'm sure you'll get in <3

Keep in mind that how you type is generally all you have to represent yourself with on said internet forum. So although it may not make you illiterate in the real world, it sure makes you look like it here.

that's fine with me

it just makes your insinuations that i'm illiterate really funny

especially considering where i go to school

[Maggot Dream]

you better apply!

and i'm sure you'll get in <3


Thanks brah


Test scores could be better, though.

What are you studying in grad school?

EDIT: I'm a dumbass, ignore.

[Win A Rabbit]

Keep in mind that how you type is generally all you have to represent yourself with on said internet forum. So although it may not make you illiterate in the real world, it sure makes you look like it here.
Even though I say
The most ridiculous things,
It appears I'm smart.

Post content is dumb.
Who cares about that stuff, right?
It's how you say it.

[Electric Requiem]

Win A Rabbit rules
He is seriously sweet
Give him all your stuff.