10" Hat Combinations

[Aaron]

Howdy-Hi.
I've decided to add a pair of 10" Hi-Hats to my setup and was wondering what peoples' opinions are for which combinations are best. I own the following splashes [which'll be what I utilise]:
10" Meinl Amun Splash
10" Sabian AA Splash
10" Wuhan Traditionals Splash
10" Bosphorous Ferit Splash

What would you suggest? Cheers!

[We_Love_Lime]

Hmmm...

4!
That's like
4 permutation right?
Which is like
4x3x2x1

Which is like...
24
24 possibilities of hat options
or maybe only 12
because you have to divide by two, because you can use each cymbal twice for top and bottom

Speaking of hats, I need a new one.

[MisurCanavi]

Just go through and get someone else to play them and see what you like.

[LoneStarDrummer]

Hmmm...

4!
That's like
4 permutation right?


permutation isn't quite right when dealing with pairs. plus you also can't have two of the same one. also you have to remember that, for example, A&B is the same as B&A. this would imply 6 options. but you have to remember that you can switch the top and bottom hats to double your combinations, making 12 total.




back to the question at hand...would you consider buying another cymbal or are you looking to only use two of those four cymbals?

if you only looking to only use those, i figure you could just try all 12 possibilities to see which sounds best.

[We_Love_Lime]

right
I thought about it, and decided 12 would make more sense.

Thanks for that though.
I'm in geometry, and that's probably the highest math class I'll take in HS.
Is that something I shouldn't do?

[spirit]

Bos and Wuhan (heavier on bottom)

or

Any of the other 3 over AA

[LoneStarDrummer]

TO LIME:

depends on what you want to get into after high school. when i was in high school i took all the required math courses plus an additional one. i wish i had taken some AP classes because i could have used it my freshman year of college.

at least make sure you take all the algebra courses available. even if you have to take AP classes. algebra is one of the most important classes in HS. in fact it's really the only important class in highschool. if you want to be a great writer, HS english won't help, but if you want to be a great mathematician, high school algebra is a must.

i made it through all three calculus classes without pre-cal, but i would've suffered greatly without algebra. i greatly underestimated the significance of math when i was in HS. i aced every math class i took in high school with averages around 97-98, but i didn't retain much because i figured it wasn't too important to remember. i was wrong.

then again i am a physics major. it all depends on what field you want to get into.



didn't mean to take the thread off topic

[We_Love_Lime]

Ahhh....

I took Algebra 2 Freshman year, and now I'm in Geo.
I figure next year I'll either take Math Studies (<_<) or Pre-Calc and stop. I'm also taking physics, which I enjoy SO much more then my last year (and this years) math classes.

I have I have to take English all 4 years :( It's a requirement.
I think I'm going to be a music history major
because I like music
and I'm pretty good at remembering history stuff..

S0o0o
I guess that means I'm going to be bussing tables.
I should really start getting good at **** that matters in life.

[TTTSNB]

;15393822']TO LIME:

depends on what you want to get into after high school. when i was in high school i took all the required math courses plus an additional one. i wish i had taken some AP classes because i could have used it my freshman year of college.

at least make sure you take all the algebra courses available. even if you have to take AP classes. algebra is one of the most important classes in HS. in fact it's really the only important class in highschool. if you want to be a great writer, HS english won't help, but if you want to be a great mathematician, high school algebra is a must.

i made it through all three calculus classes without pre-cal, but i would've suffered greatly without algebra. i greatly underestimated the significance of math when i was in HS. i aced every math class i took in high school with averages around 97-98, but i didn't retain much because i figured it wasn't too important to remember. i was wrong.

then again i am a physics major. it all depends on what field you want to get into.



didn't mean to take the thread off topic
Only really important for science / math/ accounting majors really, you'll probably never use algebra again if you're not in those fields.

[LoneStarDrummer]

but...every major requires you take basic math and science courses in college. if you're good at algebra, then the basic math and science classes that non math and non science majors take will be cake.

plus simple algebra skills have several real life applications that can make everyday life easier. it's just that not everyone is knowledgeable enough in basic math skills in order to take advantage of them.

[TTTSNB]

I don't really for my major, I believe one science class. I don't have any real life applications for algebra, the biggest math I'll ever do is paying bills and such, all of which I will use a calculator with so I don't make any mistakes.

[LoneStarDrummer]

people use algebra all the time and don't even realize it. from very simple to the rather complex situations. nearly every time you deal with a number used in any manor, you are most likely using algebra.

when you need to know how much time you have in order to get to class on time, how much time you can spend eating breakfast, what you can buy with your five bucks, how much tax is, how much 35% off the list price is, how much interest will factor out to be if you use credit, how many miles you can drive on $5 worth of gas, how much beer to buy for a party, what your test average in the class is, how much each problem on the test is worth, how many days until your friend's party, etc.

some of these are really elementary, but the point is, you can't go through a single day without algebra. if you can compute all this in your head with skills learned in the 4th grade, imagine the things you can compute in your head, or even more so, with the aid of a calculator when you posses the skills acquired through several higher level math courses.

math is everywhere. even in music.

[TTTSNB]

If you want to be technical, but almost all of that is basic math, haha, although you could overcomplicate it with algebraic equations.

[LoneStarDrummer]

basic math is simply elementary algebra.

either way, i still feel that math courses in high school are the only courses that actually help in college. even so they didn't help me all that much. educationally speaking, high school was a joke. nothing i learned in any of my classes (aside from math) has helped me in college. english classes in HS didn't help me in college, high school history didn't help me in college history courses, chemistry didn't help, physics didn't help, geography hasn't helped, govt didn't help, nothing.

i enjoyed high school, but educationally speaking, it was a complete waste of time. all my AP teachers always talked about how they were there to prepare us for college, but they didn't even come close.

[TTTSNB]

I think my literature and writing classes were helpful personally, but I think it depends on the school.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i got decent at writing from writing close to twenty essays in 11th grade, but it wasn't because the teacher taught me anything. it was because i practiced writing and developed a style on my own.

reading on my own also helped to develop my writing ability, but i give credit to the authors who wrote the books i read and essays I wrote, not the teachers.

my college english professors did help me improve my writing though, but not HS.



i suppose it does boil down to the school and staff to a certain extent, but regardless, high school is no means a preparation for college. at least not if you go into a difficult major.

[Harrow]

Hmmm...

4!
That's like
4 permutation right?
Which is like
4x3x2x1

Which is like...
24
24 possibilities of hat options
or maybe only 12
because you have to divide by two, because you can use each cymbal twice for top and bottom

Speaking of hats, I need a new one.


I believe the equation you are thinking about is 3+2+1=6 combinations. 4x3x2x1 would be 4! or 4 factorial. Sorry for further derailment!

About the hats, I agree with spirit and put the heavier of the splashes on the bottom. I have a few meinl byzance splashes and they are very light and musical, so possibly that amun splash would be a good candidate for a top hat, but I'm not very familiar with the amun lineup as I have never owned anything from that group.

[Aaron]

Er...

Thanks, I think?

[zfzgg]

I don't understand the question...

You say "I have these splashes; which ones should I try?".

Try them ALL! It'll only take you a minute per combination, don't be lazy :P.

And besides, we don't know how your cymbals sound; they're your cymbals. I don't see how we can help :S.

Or did I just read that all wrong?

[LoneStarDrummer]

that's why i was asking whether or not he would consider buying another cymbal to pair them up with or if he's just looking for a combo of those four.

[Grendizerftw!]

Try to use a 10" bell as a bottom cymbal. Thicker bottom cymbal = crispier hat sound, thinner = trashier. Try them all. I use 11" Stagg DH splashes as x-hats... or as a splash-over-splash stack. Also try to use a splash over your regular hi-hat top cymbal, you can get some interesting sounds.

[Aaron]

;15394968']that's why i was asking whether or not he would consider buying another cymbal to pair them up with or if he's just looking for a combo of those four.
Sorry, was at work before and had to be a ninja to post. Yes I am willing to buy a heavier cymbal if needs be. Thought someone would be able to suggest something from what I had though. I tried them a while ago and they all work to a degree, so I wanted an independent opinion as a restart point.

[Chippy569]

just remember, heavier on bottom, lighter on top. Hi-hat golden rule.

[Aaron]

What's the heaviest [weight] 10" cymbal available you guys can think of? Am willing to purchase a bottom hat to go with one of my other cymbals.

[zfzgg]

I'd just go out to my local store and pick up/order in a 10" bell of some sort. All the big companies make variations of them, you'll have no trouble picking one up.

[the_pure_drummer]

Piics!

[Damo]

None of those cymbals are going to be great as hihats, particular when it comes to using a suitable bottom hat.

I guess if you use the two cheapest ones it wont matter so much when they are dest

What's the heaviest [weight] 10" cymbal available you guys can think of? Am willing to purchase a bottom hat to go with one of my other cymbalsroyed by using them as hihats.
Sabian 10" Bell Disc!

[zfzgg]

Get Johan to make you a pair! ;).

You won't necessarily need THE heaviest bell you can possibly find for a bottom hat, it just has to be something relatively heavy. Bring all your splashes to a shop, choose all their bells, and spend a looong time testing every. single. combination. there. is.

[Aaron]

Thanks for the advice guys. I want something that I can play in conjuction with my main hats for two handed patterns so the sound I want is more pitch then tone [less concerned about it's sound on their own, more about how different they sound to my 13"s]. Cheers again.

[GooseFilms.net]

If you're goin with 10" hats, I wouldnt make the cymbals too thick. Itd sound a little too gongy, little too much ring and too long a decay, you know? I'd personally want such a small pair to be fairly quick. I think a wuhan splash might be a little thicker than what you really want. Plus the wuhan tone really just isnt going to match up with the other choices, especially the sabian.