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Meatplow
10-02-2007, 06:17 AM
This is very old, but i want to see how people in PNWI who haven't heard of it respond off the bat. Consider the following statement, with no reference to anything else i have written here.

I am lying to you.

Can there possibly be any truth value to this statement? :wave:
StreetlightRock
10-02-2007, 06:40 AM
Statement is nonsensical and beaks down with its own internal logic, therefore, it's a superfluous question and does not even need to be considered, let alone answered.
RunAmokRampant
10-02-2007, 07:25 AM
If the statement is not in reference to anything, it is nothing, just blank words that mean nothing to anyone because there is no connection for them.
Babble
10-02-2007, 07:29 AM
why would there necessarily be an value in a statement?
Meatplow
10-02-2007, 07:31 AM
If the statement is not in reference to anything, it is nothing, just blank words that mean nothing to anyone because there is no connection for them.

Well i just trying to isolate it from the rest of my post.

But if was to say, "I am lying to you", would it be true or false?
Babble
10-02-2007, 07:31 AM
it would be neither before it's nonsensical


as in doesn't return() 1 or 0 it just crashes the program
Meatplow
10-02-2007, 07:34 AM
Pretty much, I just thought it was an interesting paradox. Carry on.
i am the robots
10-02-2007, 07:42 AM
brb i jus divided by zero oshi-
Mister_Che
10-02-2007, 07:47 AM
I thought this was going to be about Truth and other such anti-tobacco websites.
Futue te Ipsum
10-02-2007, 07:56 AM
i thought this was going to be pretentious but it was just retarded
peeted
10-02-2007, 02:16 PM
Statement is nonsensical and beaks down with its own internal logic, therefore, it's a superfluous question and does not even need to be considered, let alone answered.
That is pretty much exactly what i was going to say.
guitrguy
10-02-2007, 03:04 PM
I am lying to you.


The statement itself has no inherent value of truth because there is no information given to identify what there is to be lied about.
italic zero
10-02-2007, 03:59 PM
That is what Hofstadter would call a strange loop, but not a true strange loop; rather it is mere trickery of language.
Oriah
10-02-2007, 04:02 PM
That is what Hofstadter would call a strange loop, but not a true strange loop; rather it is mere trickery of language.

agreed