postmodernism and religions

[Babble]

The point here is that there is the postmodernist trend that we should respect all (or many) viewpoints on a particular subject could actually be harming people. For instance, faith-based medicine could lead to medical neglect.

However, that's only from my point of view (and I suppose statistics).

What is yours

For the record: spirituality does not refer to inner peace. It refers to supernatural experience (as in closeness with God).

[big80smullet]

I think that as long as a person's beliefs only hurt them they should be free to do what they want. Its when these dodgy "religions" start brainwashing people and applying their practises to vulnerable people (like the scientologists do with their random massages at disaster reliefs) that i start to have problems with it.

[Det_Nosnip]

Post-Post-Modernist poll response: vote for all 4.

[Babble]

that's a rather interesting position

[italic zero]

contradiction is the highest form of truth

[Reaganista]

i disagree with all of them

[Babble]

what would you have included?

[Iscariot]

imo reason and spirituality are both important

you can be the walking shining example of reason but it does you no good what so ever if you're neglecting your own emotional/spiritual needs simply to support that reason

in reverse throwing reason to the wind and believing solely that your religious beliefs are the foundation and fuel of your world can be intellectually damaging in a continuously evolving society

reason itself is subjective though if not on all levels than at least a few as what makes perfect sense to one person might confuse and frustrate another not necessarily because one belief is right while the other is wrong but because of differing perspectives on a given situation

all that being said i'm trying to find a happy balance between reason and belief and every day i feel more and more at peace as a result

this post probably doesn't make sense but it sounded good in my head

[Reaganista]

what would you have included?
scientific truth historical truth personal truth
it is a guiding principle!

[Det_Nosnip]

contradiction is the highest form of truth

Quite so!

Or, there is no truth.

[Babble]

well that isn't postpostmodernism

that IS postmodernism

[Oriah]

Why arn't violent religions included?

[Babble]

because I knew if I had said "all religions should be respected" someone wouldve asked "what about religions that specify that we kill people daily" or some **** and I didn't feel like making 5 options.

Feel free to make a case for the acceptance of violent religions.

[Mr. Ron]

scientific truth historical truth personal truth
it is a guiding principle!

^^^^ yeah I want that option.

[pedro durruti]

scientific truth historical truth personal truth
it is a guiding principle!
Why do you think all of those are unreasonable?

[Luc214]

imo reason and spirituality are both important

you can be the walking shining example of reason but it does you no good what so ever if you're neglecting your own emotional/spiritual needs simply to support that reason

in reverse throwing reason to the wind and believing solely that your religious beliefs are the foundation and fuel of your world can be intellectually damaging in a continuously evolving society

reason itself is subjective though if not on all levels than at least a few as what makes perfect sense to one person might confuse and frustrate another not necessarily because one belief is right while the other is wrong but because of differing perspectives on a given situation

all that being said i'm trying to find a happy balance between reason and belief and every day i feel more and more at peace as a result

this post probably doesn't make sense but it sounded good in my head

This is actually a rather good post. Props.

[Reaganista]

Why do you think all of those are unreasonable?
when did i say that? i said they're a guiding principal


you dont deserve to wear that uniform

[Babble]

i think his point was that those would fit under the first option

which was really my first thought when you posted it too

[Reaganista]

i dont think any of them necessarily have to be reasonable

[Babble]

scientific truth does.

[Reaganista]

not really

[Babble]

im not having this argument with you because there is no way you can possible support this claim.

[italic zero]

science inherently favors empiricism over rationalism

[The Chemist]

science inherently favors empiricism over rationalism

Only in isolated instances. More often than not, science dictates rationalism as foundation.

[Reaganista]

im not having this argument with you because there is no way you can possible support this claim.
of course i can
there's no inherent connection between reason and truth

[pedro durruti]

How do you get to them? By unreasoning?

[Reaganista]

you can get to truth by just about any means

[Babble]

for the record I'm blocking you bc you're pointless.

[Reaganista]

im going to flip a coin if it's heads then 2+2=4 if it's tails then pigs are controlled by miniature cephalopod-like aliens that live in their feet

[pedro durruti]

you can get to truth by just about any means
Ok, how?

[Reaganista]

im going to flip a coin if it's heads then 2+2=4 if it's tails then pigs are controlled by miniature cephalopod-like aliens that live in their feet

[fathergoat]

Reason over religion, but some religious views still are nice.

[pedro durruti]

im going to flip a coin if it's heads then 2+2=4 if it's tails then pigs are controlled by miniature cephalopod-like aliens that live in their feet
What?

[PerpetualBurn]

Hint: If it lands on heads then he's arrived at truth

[italic zero]

Only in isolated instances. More often than not, science dictates rationalism as foundation.
Science has never fully embraced rationalism in any instance. String theory may be the closest, but even that is only a rationalist expansion on empiric data.

[pedro durruti]

Hint: If it lands on heads then he's arrived at truth
Hint: If it lands on tails then he's arrived at truth

[Lupus]

Hint: If it lands on tails then he's arrived at truth

How could you miss such a simple point?

[pedro durruti]

What?

[Reaganista]

What?
you can get to truth by just about any means

[spitfirejunky]

"Source of truth" is a very shaky term. Truth is an inherent aspect of the universe.

[pedro durruti]

you can get to truth by just about any means
Yeah I know, but can you give an example of a personal, historic or scientific truth that does not use reason?

[PerpetualBurn]

Yeah I know, but can you give an example of a personal, historic or scientific truth that does not use reason?

im going to flip a coin if it's heads then 2+2=4 if it's tails then pigs are controlled by miniature cephalopod-like aliens that live in their feet

How are you not getting this?

[The Chemist]

He's getting it by saying that flipping a coin for the truth heralds the same sucess rate as research.

[PerpetualBurn]

I don't think he said that. And no one's talking about success rate anyway.

[Reaganista]

Yeah I know, but can you give an example of a personal, historic or scientific truth that does not use reason?

i dont think you understand
He's getting it by saying that flipping a coin for the truth heralds the same sucess rate as research.
what

[The Chemist]

I don't think he said that. And no one's talking about success rate anyway.
I wasn't really paying attention.