Single-Sex Vs. Co-Ed Schools

[Mild_child]

What are your opinions? Do you think having more non mixed schools will bring better academic levels with students of the day?

[Mr. Ron]

I think communication between the sexes is a very important part of being a well adjusted citizen, especially in schools.

Its the work ethic thats the problem.

[DanD]

Academically its a good thing

Socially it can be a disaster.

[Against Miik!]

Depends on what your definition of education is.

[Mild_child]

Academically its a good thing

But, you see, that's my question. How does it improve the academics in schools?

[lunchforthesky]

Single sex is always a bad idea.

[DanD]

But, you see, that's my question. How does it improve the academics in schools?

Less distractions

for example, in my class it just so happens that there are no girls, which I'm pretty thankful for because then I can focus on school work, and not trying to bag some chick. Many of the teachers even comment on how classes with girls in them act completely differently the classes without.

[Iscariot]

it improves academics by lowering distractions related to sexual attraction

i can personally vouch that it destroys a person's social skills though as my dad attended an all-boys high school back in the 70's and he has a hard time communicating with people and he knows jack **** about women even after being married for 22 years

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

Yea because with women in the classroom I find myself just checking them out and shi.

Socially no

[lfantwister]

As a survivor of an all girls school i'd like to say that they're absolutely ridiculous. The purported academic benefits are so so outweighed by a complete lack of social skills (note that i'm on mx on a thursday evening). plus all the girls are bitches.

as far as i can tell, my three weeks of coed education have been infinitely better, if only because everyone comes from similar experiences at a single sex school

[Mr. Ron]

No idea that you were a girl.

[lfantwister]

a super one at that

[Mr. Ron]

r u hawt

[BridgeToSolace]

My dad went to an all boys school and he's the most social person I know. He can schmooze like a mother ****er. He was even a radio disc jockey for like 30 years.

I'd be curious to see if there are stats about the benefits. I'm sure you'd find a positive correlation between single-gender classes and high test scores, but that's because public schools aren't allowed (as far as I know) to separate the genders like that. Only private schools are doing it, and everyone knows that private schools tend to have better scores (for whatever reason).

And if they did have the stats, did they try both single genders or just one? Obviously an all boy class will do better than a mixed class because women are stupid and bog down the process.

[Babble]

yeah there's a lot of speculation here

[Maggot Dream]

I currently go to an all-boys high school, and I will say that it's really not that bad. The community is excellent, and there's plenty of opportunities for interaction with the opposite sex through sporting events, socials, etc. Academically, I'd say there is a benefit, and I don't think it's hindered the social development of the people I know.

Obviously, this is all isolated to my experience, so I can't say much about other single-sex schools. My school may be an exception.

I would never want public schools to be single-sex, unless by choice of the student.

[StreetlightRock]

I f;ucking hate all boys schools. There not actually bad, but they're just so damn crap compared to single sex one imho. This coming from someone who went from a mixed to a single-sex school in the last two years of high school.

[Hababi]

Kids need to learn to adjust to distractions. The workplace (unless they're doing something dumb) is filled with plenty of women, so might as well get used to it while the hormones are still adjusting.

But srs free contraceptives is stupid. It encourages promiscuity.

[Mr. Ron]

Kids need to learn to adjust to distractions. The workplace (unless they're doing something dumb) is filled with plenty of women, so might as well get used to it while the hormones are still adjusting.

But srs free contraceptives is stupid. It encourages promiscuity.

I agree with you except the last line. It doesn't.

[Hababi]

I agree with you except the last line. It doesn't.

I stuck it in there just to create some disagreement :p

But how doesn't it? Kids, whether in high school or college, should learn to take responsibility for their actions. Want to engage in sexual activity? Pay for your condoms.

[BridgeToSolace]

But srs free contraceptives is stupid. It encourages promiscuity.

No, it youth encourages promiscuity.

Free contraceptives encourages using condoms.

Although that's another thread, I guess.

[Hababi]

No, it youth encourages promiscuity.

Free contraceptives encourages using condoms.

Although that's another thread, I guess.

Probably. I think one was done a year or two ag...

Also school related, while I'm fine with coed, I'm all for school uniforms. Not dress codes, I'm talking uniforms....

And corporal punishment :D

capital punishment for repeat offenders

[DougJI]

Having been in a school where for several years there were female classes and male classes , which then came to an end, I'd have to say that there is a significant difference. I don't think it assists with distractions all that much, but it will definitely tend to direct everyone into more gender based social groups. I don't know if thats a good or a bad thing, but I prefer having a social life with women. =P

[DougJI]

Probably. I think one was done a year or two ag...

Also school related, while I'm fine with coed, I'm all for school uniforms. Not dress codes, I'm talking uniforms....

And corporal punishment :D

capital punishment for repeat offenders

School Uniforms encourage more unruly forms of rebellion, and discourages becoming friendly with teachers. Dress codes are much more effective if they are enforced. At my school the dress code is incredibly lax, I don't see it degrading the standard of education or the respect the teachers are given.

Then again I'm from Canada, where school shootings tend to be comparatively rare, and everybody is laid back.

[BridgeToSolace]

Maybe instead of eliminating distractions we should make classes more interesting. :eek:

If a kid would rather look at a chick's tits than pay attention, that's his choice. I can't count the amount of times that we're doing something useless in class so I'd check out the girls. I'm still way above the middle as far as class goes. The two aren't really connected.

[peeted]

Well socially its better to have mixed for both guys and girls and academical its better for lads to have mixed too so id say mixed is far better.

[DougJI]

also if theres any opposite sex teachers it can tend to defeat the point entirely.

[Reaganista]

i dont see how segregation breeds better academics

[Smokey D]

It's a statistically supported conclusion, but I'm not sure on the mechanics of it either.

[Reaganista]

man **** statistics around here all the gender segregated schools are only interested in the best students and have a more disciplined atmosphere those are both way more plausible reasons for better test scores than some archiac misogynistic practices

[Smokey D]

I dunno. That's not how it works here.

[Reaganista]

you have segregated public schools

[Smokey D]

Yes.

[DougJI]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[Smokey D]

Hey, I didn't say it did.

[Reaganista]

Yes.

that's the craziest thing ive ever heard in my life

[Smokey D]

British education system.

[Reaganista]

does this bother people

[Smokey D]

Not as far as I can tell. There are co-ed schools as well, though historically they preform worse.

[Reaganista]

remind me to never go to new zealand

[DougJI]

Not as far as I can tell. There are co-ed schools as well, though historically they preform worse.

once again..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[Smokey D]

Hey man, I didn't say it did.

[Reaganista]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/new_zealand_is_****ing_crazy

the real issue itt

[DougJI]

Hey man, I didn't say it did.

...

Not as far as I can tell. There are co-ed schools as well, though historically they preform worse.

[Reaganista]

hay
YOURE IGNORING THE REAL ISSUE

[DougJI]

hay
YOURE IGNORING THE REAL ISSUE

BUT CORRELATION DOESNT EQUAL CAUSATION! IT EVEN RHYMES!

[Reaganista]

whatever the hell ur going on about has absolutely nothing to do with new zealand being crazy

[Smokey D]

...

You know that correlation, especially when it's repeated, can suggest causation.

But I didn't even say that. I just said there was a link.

And I don't understand what's so crazy about public schools being single-sex.

[big80smullet]

I went to a single sex high school and it didn't hurt my social life. Hell i got more girls than most of my friends at co-ed school. But thats cause im a suave bastard. Seriously going to a co-ed school doesn't hurt your social skills if you had some in the first place. The ones who act weird are the weird ones in the first place.

[bradc1988]

I think I'm a good case of the good and the bad of going to a single sex high school.

The good: I'm a second year engineering student at the University of Sydney.

The bad: I didn't have any social interactions with a female for my whole time in high school, so 6 years. I now have horrible social skills and get all weird and nervous around females at Uni. I shall die a virgin.

The ugly: <.<

[big80smullet]

well i went to an all boys school in NZ for 5 years and i have plenty of female freinds and am guaranteed not to die a virgin.

[Amit]

You know that correlation, especially when it's repeated, can suggest causation.

But I didn't even say that. I just said there was a link.

And I don't understand what's so crazy about public schools being single-sex.

the boys end up being awkward creeps who can't talk to girls who are just straight up bitches or have even more severe than usual self esteem issues

[big80smullet]

I don't see that. At my school everyone turned out pretty normal. And that reall does surprise me cause its a pretty traditional all boys school. We had to say the lords prayer every morning. The 1st XV were pretty much gods in the school. The only guy im seriously creeped out by is this asian dude who went to uni a year early and has probably never talked to a girl. But come o he's asian thats normal.

[lfantwister]

well i went to an all boys school in NZ for 5 years and i have plenty of female freinds and am guaranteed not to die a virgin.

its not about dying a virgin its about genuinely being able to be coherent and comfortable in social situations

[Amit]

I don't see that. At my school everyone turned out pretty normal. And that reall does surprise me cause its a pretty traditional all boys school. We had to say the lords prayer every morning. The 1st XV were pretty much gods in the school. The only guy im seriously creeped out by is this asian dude who went to uni a year early and has probably never talked to a girl. But come o he's asian thats normal.

idk

that's just what i've seen at my university

[Reaganista]

And I don't understand what's so crazy about public schools being single-sex.
seperate but equal wtf

[Iscariot]

But how doesn't it? Kids, whether in high school or college, should learn to take responsibility for their actions. Want to engage in sexual activity? Pay for your condoms.

condoms are like five bucks a pack and a lot of people don't like how they feel anyway

making them free adds incentive to use them

[Riziger]

i've been in co-ed schools for all my studying life. i can't imagine being in a single-sex school.... it would just be.... weird.

[Smokey D]

seperate but equal wtf

There's no difference in treatment.

[Reaganista]

of course there is it's impossible for there not to be

[Mr. Ron]

the boys end up being awkward creeps who can't talk to girls who are just straight up bitches or have even more severe than usual self esteem issues

This ^^^^

[lfantwister]

(and vice versa)

[The_Passenger]

I don't know about this 'socially awkward creeps' and 'bitches with self-esteem issues' idea. I know plenty of people who went to single-sex schools and they seem to have turned out fine. There are just as many 'awkward' people from these schools as there at my co-ed school. I think it's safe to say that it doesn't really change how people will act in social situations involving the opposite sex.

But I personally think that had I experienced both I would've preferred co-ed.

[pedro durruti]

Single-sex schools might work well here and there but if you're trying to create a free and open society then segregation should be the last option, and using the community's/society's educational resources should be used to resolve whatever issues gender integration presents rationally and peacefully. Without any context you can't say sorting girls and boys away from each other would be good, so it makes no sense to be opposed to it in principle because it divides students by physical differences.

[Aklerc]

I went to a single sex school for 4 years (from 4/5 to 9/10 I think) and been in co-ed since then (about 7/8 years). Considering this also meant I went from piblic school to state school it's one hell of a shock. Academically, the single sex was better, but whether that was due to much smaller class sizes, I don't know. Socially, it was relaly hard for me to changeover to state education in years 5 and 6 (UKer). I was extremely naive, and suddenly I was thrown into an environment where girls were kissing boys and boys were kissing girls. The whole "who's going out with who" and relationships were never even a second thought at my private school. It just didn't happen. Maybe if I was older before being thrown into state school it would have been different. Personally, I would always choose co-ed over single sex.

[sr800bkBassist]

i find it ridiculous. if a boy is distracted because he's focusing on a girl all day, whatever. that's his fault. his grades will be bad, but whatever. he should have been paying attention. that's all he had to do to avoid it. if you mess up because you were looking at a girl's butt all day, it's your fault. makes more room for kids like me to succeed.