Student Tasering at the University of Florida

[Otherside]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

This is becoming such a fad in a America these days, what's the deal? I think this one especially, is much more inexcusable than some of the other incidents. There was no reason to cut his microphone, much less to drag him to the ground and taser him.

Thoughts/opinions?

[Kage]

A few kids from my university were tasered by cops in order to stop a drunken brawl a few weeks ago.

[Mr. Ron]

Wasn't we zapped when he was struggling with police?

[big80smullet]

Well that seemed a little harsh to arrest the guy in the first place. Also his mic shouldn't have been cut. But once the process of arrest is started the fact that he's resisting means they are allowed to use force. In short that shouldn't have happened but he shouldn't have resisted. If he hadn't resisted he wouldn't have got tasered

[Danish]

Tasers should definitely not be used, especially by security officers. Tasers are nothing to sneeze at; a number of people have been killed by them. The cultural obsession with security in the US has mainly negative effects on the society.

Edit: Ok, I watched the video. The day is upon us when someone asking a question at a public lecture can be beaten for asking the wrong question.

Like, don't you folks get it yet?

[peeted]

That was absolutely appalling, and i cant believe no one else in the auditorium said anything or objected when the mic was cut and he was arrested.

[Iscariot]

Tasers should definitely not be used, especially by security officers. Tasers are nothing to sneeze at; a number of people have been killed by them. The cultural obsession with security in the US has mainly negative effects on the society.

exactly

it seems like the police operate on one of two options and only one of two options: use lethal force or use non-lethal force

they never seem to consider that in many cases force is not necessary at all and in many other cases non-lethal force quickly escalates to the lethal level

that student wasn't acting out of line and i'm sure if they had waited another minute or two he would have been done and they could have moved on

instead the police decided it was necessary to not only censor him but attack him

ridiculous

[Mr. Ron]

I just watched the video. Everyone in that place should have jumped the cops and used their civilian arrest privilege.

[Otherside]

I just watched the video. Everyone in that place should have jumped the cops and used their civilian arrest privilege.

That is exactly what I would do. If my friend or anyone I vaguely knew was arrested for talking and then tasered for it, I would simply drop kick the nearest cop. It's sad that our police officers have a such a storm trooper based image that people are afraid to protest against them. Of course, the reason that image exists is because of situations like this, where we are beat down and then prosecuted for resisting arrest. IDK, it just makes me angry :\

[Mr. Ron]

That is exactly what I would do. If my friend or anyone I vaguely knew was arrested for talking and then tasered for it, I would simply drop kick the nearest cop. It's sad that our police officers have a such a storm trooper based image that people are afraid to protest against them. Of course, the reason that image exists is because of situations like this, where we are beat down and then prosecuted for resisting arrest. IDK, it just makes me angry :\

Sadly, if anyone did that they would either be shot or arrested and sent to jail for assaulting a pig.



EDIT: I heard that each person asking a question only gets 5 minuets, and he apparently went over, so thats why the security guards first came up to him.

[big80smullet]

Some people i know from school went into the police force. They were the three biggest bullies in school. There isn't a cop alive without some sort of insecurity or mummy issues. They join the force to feel powerful.

My mate and his girlfriend were in a bar and this dude came up and started hitting on her. She didnt want to know and my mate told the guy to piss of. Well this guy hits my mate in the face. My mate goes nuts and wails on this guy. ****s him up good as you do. Well turns out this guy was a cop. Evan though he was off duty and he started the fight my mate is being charged with assault on a police officer AND GBH. it makes me sick that this kind of filth are keeping us "safe"

[Incognito]

Correct if I'm wrong, but when you're being arrested aren't you supposed to be told what you're being arrested for? The guy repeatedly asks this. I don't blame him for struggling, he doesn't know why he's being arrested.

Secondly I think the taser was uncalled for, there was like what? 4 cops on him, how do you have to resort to a taser with that many cops on a non-violent person.

[Kif]

I wonder why the person filming the video wasn't censored either. They must have known this would end up on the internet, so why use such lethal force? It's not like they needed the tazers.

[planewreck]

EDIT: I heard that each person asking a question only gets 5 minuets, and he apparently went over, so thats why the security guards first came up to him.
Meyer had about a minute and a half at the microphone before police stepped in to haul him away. As he tried to escape their grip, Kerry protested, "That's all right, let me answer his question."
so yeah

[Danish]

Some people i know from school went into the police force. They were the three biggest bullies in school. There isn't a cop alive without some sort of insecurity or mummy issues. They join the force to feel powerful.

My mate and his girlfriend were in a bar and this dude came up and started hitting on her. She didnt want to know and my mate told the guy to piss of. Well this guy hits my mate in the face. My mate goes nuts and wails on this guy. ****s him up good as you do. Well turns out this guy was a cop. Evan though he was off duty and he started the fight my mate is being charged with assault on a police officer AND GBH. it makes me sick that this kind of filth are keeping us "safe"

One of the problems is the dominant masculine ideal that prevails. As men, we are expected to fulfill certain roles in society. It's so difficult to break out of our socially-defined roles. That culture is much stronger in certain institutions, such as security. So much of this could be avoided by better training and education about masculine issues as part of officer training. But as neoliberalism prevails, training for all workers is harder to obtain, so-to-speak.

Your anecdote is a perfect example of this. An on-duty police officer sexually harassed your girlfriend.

[DanD]

This story angers me to no end.

I want to know what I can do so that these cops never wear any kind of badge of authority again.

[Mr. Ron]

so yeah

Oh well there you go, I was wrong.

[Danish]

I wonder why the person filming the video wasn't censored either. They must have known this would end up on the internet, so why use such lethal force? It's not like they needed the tazers.

It won't result in institutional changes. Besides, everyone and their brother has a cellphone with a video camera in it; at a public lecture it would be impossible to keep it quiet these days.

Why do university security officers need tasers?

[Kif]

One of the problems is the dominant masculine ideal that prevails. As men, we are expected to fulfill certain roles in society. It's so difficult to break out of our socially-defined roles. That culture is much stronger in certain institutions, such as security. So much of this could be avoided by better training and education about masculine issues as part of officer training. But as neoliberalism prevails, training for all workers is harder to obtain, so-to-speak.

Your anecdote is a perfect example of this. An on-duty police officer sexually harassed your girlfriend.
Well he said he was off-duty, which makes the story even weirder. An off-duty police officer harrased a woman and punched someone else, and yet uses his status as a police officer to get over on the person who defended his friends.

[planewreck]

edit: oh **** kif get out of the way

[Mr. Ron]

It won't result in institutional changes. Besides, everyone and their brother has a cellphone with a video camera in it; at a public lecture it would be impossible to keep it quiet these days.

Why do university security officers need tasers?

Meh, if a truly violent person was on campus then MAYBE I could see the use. But I definitely see what you're saying.

[Incognito]

Meh, if a truly violent person was on campus then MAYBE I could see the use. But I definitely see what you're saying.

I don't mind them have one "just incase", but like I said before, there were like 4 cops on him already, I find it hard to believe that the security needed to use "additional force" at that point.

[Mr. Ron]

I don't mind them have one "just incase", but like I said before, there were like 4 cops on him already, I find it hard to believe that the security needed to use "additional force" at that point.

Yeah I agree.

[Otherside]

Well tbh this is a good enough reason for them to be taken away for me

[Kif]

I find it hard to believe that properly trained security guards would need tasers, especially in cases like this. Maybe in extreme cases like Incognito said. But putting tasers in people like this, who didn't appear to be very effective, is just a bad idea.

[big80smullet]

Are they cops or just rent-a-cops. Cause Rent-a-cops shouldn't have tasers. they should have mace but thats as strong as they should need.

[Danish]

I don't mind them have one "just incase", but like I said before, there were like 4 cops on him already, I find it hard to believe that the security needed to use "additional force" at that point.

"Justincase". Yea right. The point is that they are extremely brutal weapons. The term "non-lethal" weapon is ridiculous. Tear gas is toxic; rubber and wooden bullets can cause severe injuries; tasers kill people on a fair regular basis. Like, beating someone with a club is usually non-lethal too. Now they like to beat us from a distance, or with a weapon so debilitating it causes victims to scream blue bloody murder.

If the public had real control over their society, such things wouldn't be necessary.

[Danish]

Are they cops or just rent-a-cops. Cause Rent-a-cops shouldn't have tasers. they should have mace but thats as strong as they should need.

Mace is toxic too.

[Permanent Solution]

Correct if I'm wrong, but when you're being arrested aren't you supposed to be told what you're being arrested for? The guy repeatedly asks this. I don't blame him for struggling, he doesn't know why he's being arrested.

Secondly I think the taser was uncalled for, there was like what? 4 cops on him, how do you have to resort to a taser with that many cops on a non-violent person.
He does get told later, but not until after he already calmed down as far as I can tell.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

[big80smullet]

Slightly of topic but that guy is a huge bro!

Anyway. That first video was pretty heavily edited to make it seem like he wasn't at fault. The youtube video makes it seem like he got fair warning and he still resisted. They even said to him "stop resisting or we'll taser you" I kinda feel that if that guy had stopped being a douchebag for a second he would of realised he was about to get tasered and realised thats a bad thing.

[PerpetualBurn]

Oh come on, he starts asking inane conspiracy questions so they cut his mic, security go to lead him out and he starts acting like a tit.

[The Stig]

Most universities (UGA does and probably UF) have a full-fledged bona fide police force. Seeing as how they have guns in holsters on their hips and had full authority to arrest the guy, they were full-fledged officers.

Anyhow, updates from the article and a quote from the kid himself lend credence to the probability that he was sensationalizing the incident just to make a scene.

[Otherside]

Oh come on, he starts asking inane conspiracy questions so they cut his mic, security go to lead him out and he starts acting like a tit.

John Kerry himself told the officers to let him continue to ask his question. They over reacted no matter how you cut it.

[big80smullet]

The guy was completely playing it up. Trying to get sympathy and to show how america has become some brutal totalitarian regime. Well i think all succeded in doing is sowing he's a douche bag bro.

[Otherside]

I'm not going to deny given the new video that the guy was a total douchebag, but nowhere does it say that being a douchebag nullifies your freedom of speech, given that the douchebag says nothing threatening.

[Permanent Solution]

I think that since Kerry was telling the officers he wanted to answer the question it was a bit of an overreaction on the part of the police despite any of the questioner's motives or sensationalism. I mean it's one thing if he asks them to throw him out but it's another when he's telling them he wants to field the question.

[PerpetualBurn]

John Kerry himself told the officers to let him continue to ask his question. They over reacted no matter how you cut it.

Yeah except he could've been quietly lead outside and made some complaints.

Instead he acted like a tool.

They should taser anyone who mentions secret societies.

[Otherside]

Yeah except he could've been quietly lead outside and made some complaints.

Yes because this would have accomplished something.

[Mr. Ron]

"Justincase". Yea right. The point is that they are extremely brutal weapons. The term "non-lethal" weapon is ridiculous. Tear gas is toxic; rubber and wooden bullets can cause severe injuries; tasers kill people on a fair regular basis. Like, beating someone with a club is usually non-lethal too. Now they like to beat us from a distance, or with a weapon so debilitating it causes victims to scream blue bloody murder.

If the public had real control over their society, such things wouldn't be necessary.
I agree with everything you said, but I don't think it would be a bad idea to keep a few for an instance where they truly might be needed, like maybe a drunken brawl where weapons are used.

[big80smullet]

Well IMO he was making a scene and the coppers cave him exactly what he wanted.

Im not sayi9ng that he deserved to be tasered, but if you're gonna start kicking off you gotta accept the consequences

[Luc214]

Apparently he was charged with "resisting arrest with violence", what the ****?

I saw the video, he was struggling a bit and protesting, but was not violent.

This country is bullshit.

And isn't there a law or something that cops will warn you before taking any kind of violent action?

[Mr. Ron]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag


heres the entire video. This **** infuriates me. I want to do something about it so bad but I don't know how.

[Mr. Ron]

Well IMO he was making a scene and the coppers cave him exactly what he wanted.

Im not sayi9ng that he deserved to be tasered, but if you're gonna start kicking off you gotta accept the consequences

He didn't do anything to warrant that kind of consequence.

[Otherside]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag


heres the entire video. This **** infuriates me. I want to do something about it so bad but I don't know how.

dude dont you know that being an idiot and talking about conspiracy theories is against the law imo they should have jsut shot him because hes so stupid

[big80smullet]

And isn't there a law or something that cops will warn you before taking any kind of violent action?

They said several times stop resisting or we will taser you. That is warning!

[The Stig]

He tried to run after the cops arrested him. You can see them trying to pull him away.

[Luc214]

They said several times stop resisting or we will taser you. That is warning!

Yes I see that now after watching the youtube video. But at that point, they had him on the ground and from the looks of it he was only verbally protesting.

[dei]

You missed a number, pal.

352.392.1111

[big80smullet]

Yes I see that now after watching the youtube video. But at that point, they had him on the ground and from the looks of it he was only verbally protesting.

You can't really see cause the camera work isn't exactly proffesional standard. It looked to me like he was struggling.

[Mr. Ron]

You missed a number, pal.

352.392.1111

whoops, I'll try to find the rest of it. :p

Edit: beaten

[Luc214]

You can't really see cause the camera work isn't exactly proffesional standard. It looked to me like he was struggling.

It is hard to see, still, he was on the ground with 3 big guys on him, and they didn't even give him a reason for his arrest they just grabbed him for no apparent reason at all.

[The Stig]

Apparently, he had them following him when he entered the building. And you can see him physically struggling most of the time from when he was first taken into custody.

[big80smullet]

It doesn't matter why your being arrested, if you resist you get ****ed up. If your being taken in for qustioning in a small crime that your not connected to or if you got caught at the scene with blood on you hands, it doesn't matter if you resist you get a pounding by the long **** of the law

[PerpetualBurn]

Yes because this would have accomplished something.

Yeah it would've stopped him acting like a complete tosser and avoided all incident.

[Mr. Ron]

Oh come on, he starts asking inane conspiracy questions so they cut his mic, security go to lead him out and he starts acting like a tit.

That doesn't warrant them shocking an immobile, cuffed person with 3 grown men kneeling on him.

[Luc214]

That doesn't warrant them shocking an immobile, cuffed person with 3 grown men kneeling on him.

Yeah, how much could he really have been moving?

[big80smullet]

If he was some black gangster who was resisting arrest you wouldn't care if he was tasered. The crime isn't the important part. Its the fact that he was resisting.

[Mr. Ron]

If he was some black gangster who was resisting arrest you wouldn't care if he was tasered. The crime isn't the important part. Its the fact that he was resisting.

Don't be retarded.

[Otherside]

If he was some black gangster who was resisting arrest you wouldn't care if he was tasered. The crime isn't the important part. Its the fact that he was resisting.

Are you being serious?

[Luc214]

If he was some black gangster who was resisting arrest you wouldn't care if he was tasered.

It depends on how he was resisting. If he was being sat on by 3 big guys, and all he could really do was verbally resist, I'd have a ****ing problem with it regardless if he was a gangster or not.

[The Stig]

They were probably in the process of cuffing him. And if he wasn't mobile, he wouldn't have been considered resisting arrest. He was physically struggling. They did the right thing. The guy they tasered even said so.

[Otherside]

And if he wasn't mobile, he wouldn't have been considered resisting arrest.

And if he wasn't breaking the law, he wouldn't have been put under arrest, right?

[Luc214]

Yes but couldn't verbal protests be considered resisting arrest as well?

[Mr. Ron]

They were probably in the process of cuffing him. And if he wasn't mobile, he wouldn't have been considered resisting arrest. He was physically struggling. They did the right thing. The guy they tasered even said so.

He wasn't moving when they tasered him.

[big80smullet]

Are you being serious?

An extreme example sure. But yes i am serious

It depends on how he was resisting. If he was being sat on by 3 big guys, and all he could really do was verbally resist, I'd have a ****ing problem with it regardless if he was a gangster or not.

He was struggling! then they warned him that they would taser hi and he kept struggling.

[PerpetualBurn]

That doesn't warrant them shocking an immobile, cuffed person with 3 grown men kneeling on him.

Sure it does.

They go to lead him out the building.

He resists and incites the situation and gets himself arrested.

He continues to resist instead of letting them cuff him.

They warn him.

He loses.

[Mr. Ron]

An extreme example sure. But yes i am serious



He was struggling! then they warned him that they would taser hi and he kept struggling.

Um, he wasn't moving when he had 3 men on top of him.


Sure it does.

They go to lead him out the building.

He resists and incites the situation and gets himself arrested.

He continues to resist instead of letting them cuff him.

They warn him.

He loses.

He wasn't moving when they tasered him. The only way he was "resisting" was verbally.

[Luc214]

An extreme example sure. But yes i am serious



He was struggling! then they warned him that they would taser hi and he kept struggling.

From what I could see of both videos, it really didn't look like he was moving much if at all.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah, at 53 seconds when they taser him they had his arms and the rest of his body held down.

[Incognito]

Look, the dude was doing nothing more than being a pain in the ***.

Regardless of whether or not he should've been arrested the taser was needless.

I would expect a cop to taser someone who was violently resisting arrest. I can't see clearly in the video, but even if he is "resisting" by struggling there were 3-4 people on him. I highly doubt (with a 100% doubt rate) that the taser was needed to further subdue him.

Just because you have a level of authority does not automatically give you the right to use excessive force. I don't care if they warned him, the fact is it was not needed to restrain the guy if they had him under control already.

[PerpetualBurn]

He wasn't moving when they tasered him. The only way he was "resisting" was verbally.

He was refusing to let them cuff him.

[Mr. Ron]

He was refusing to let them cuff him.

I just don't see that. You can see both of his hands being held back when they taser him, they could have cuffed him there.

[DiesIrae]

Some people i know from school went into the police force. They were the three biggest bullies in school. There isn't a cop alive without some sort of insecurity or mummy issues. They join the force to feel powerful.

My mate and his girlfriend were in a bar and this dude came up and started hitting on her. She didnt want to know and my mate told the guy to piss of. Well this guy hits my mate in the face. My mate goes nuts and wails on this guy. ****s him up good as you do. Well turns out this guy was a cop. Evan though he was off duty and he started the fight my mate is being charged with assault on a police officer AND GBH. it makes me sick that this kind of filth are keeping us "safe"

Wow..... I like how you can speak for EVERY police officer, without even knowing them all! Kudos!

[Mr. Ron]

I don't think he was talking about all cops.

[DiesIrae]

I don't think he was talking about all cops.

Read is comment: "There isn't a cop alive without some sort of insecurity or mummy issues. They join the force to feel powerful."

It seems pretty much like he is including all the cops.

[big80smullet]

Wow..... I like how you can speak for EVERY police officer, without even knowing them all! Kudos!

I cited examples from my own experience. Obviously i dont know every cop in the world. BUT the town i used to live in had two major government institutions. A prison and a police academy, so i know more cops than the average person and my statement holds true for all of them.

[DiesIrae]

I cited examples from my own experience. Obviously i dont know every cop in the world. BUT the town i used to live in had two major government institutions. A prison and a police academy, so i know more cops than the average person and my statement holds true for all of them.

So, just in your town? But, not the world?

[big80smullet]

No in all towns ive been to.

[DiesIrae]

No in all towns ive been to.

So in every town, you got to know every officer personally? I agree there are a fair share of dick cops (I agree totally that some have issues, and should have never been given a badge in the first place), I am going to the academy and have had a chance to meet some of them, as well as how disgusting this article is.
But saying that "all cops in every town I've been to have mummy and insecurity problems" is just unfair. I would like to see more stories on the officers that do a good job. In my opinion, the media is always in a frenzy to point out excessive force, but fails to capture the daily heroism of good officers. If I see an officer mentioned in an article it is usually one of two things: "Death", or "Excessive Force".

[Danger Bird]

I don't see why an isolated incident is that important. It's not until this is actually accepted that this becomes a problem. But as of now, the system does not encourage or allow force like this.

To the best of my knowledge.

[big80smullet]

So in every town, you got to know every officer personally? I agree there are a fair share of dick cops (I agree totally that some have issues, and should have never been given a badge in the first place), I am going to the academy and have had a chance to meet some of them, as well as how disgusting this article is.
But saying that "all cops in every town I've been to have mummy and insecurity problems" is just unfair. I would like to see more stories on the officers that do a good job. In my opinion, the media is always in a frenzy to point out excessive force, but fails to capture the daily heroism of good officers. If I see an officer mentioned in an article it is usually one of two things: "Death", or "Excessive Force".


Don't get me wrong i respect the police. I think they do alot of extremely good work and i don't think they get the respect or pay they deserve. But having said that i also think that the police force attracts a certain type of person.

Don't take it as a personal thing to you because you're joining the police force. You may or may not conform to my stereotype of police officers. I make no judgment on your character.

[ringworm]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1606277730046267759&q=florida+student+tasered&total=294&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

LOL

"What did I do? "What did I do? "What did I do?"
well, the situation was fairly calm until he went beserk
That vid is no different than any other I've seen. The kids actions only further escalated the situtation needlessly.

Most of you sound like Biker Gangs that call cops pigs just because everyone else does and bring bad situations on yourself because of the lack of respect you carry on your shoulder.

I have been arrested several times, roughed up by cops, all because of my actions, but never once did treat the officer any different than I would someone else, and the respect I gave was given right back to me and charges lightened or dropped because I wasnt screaming retarded statements

[Otherside]

Well that's interesting because I've been arrested as well and was as polite as possible and they didnt care at all, still threw the book at me full force.

But then again I'm talking city cops here, not small town ;)

[DBoons Ghost]

This was not a cop tasering a violent person.

This was a campus security guard tasering a kid who had every right to ask questions.

If Kerry got nuts with the crowd, would the campus cops have tasered him to "calm him down?"

Anyway, the rent-a-cops who did the tasering were suspended.

This is really getting out of hand.

[lunchforthesky]

He probably deserved it. He had numerous opportunities to go quietly.

[PerpetualBurn]

If Kerry got nuts with the crowd, would the campus cops have tasered him to "calm him down?"

No they'd have probably led him outside like they tried to do with the kid.

And then given him several opportunities to stop resisting till they had to pin him to the floor.

And then given him more warnings to stop resisting the cuffs or they'd tasered him.

And then if, for some unknown reason, Kerry kept being a tosser, they'd have tasered him.

Of course no none wanker would get that far.

[Otherside]

Perp I think the whole thread you've pretty much ignored the fact that most of us aren't denying the fact that kid was was a "wanker" and probably deserved to be tasered after he was arrested, but that the police had no reason to arrest him in the first place. But if you want to go ahead and argue against... no one.. then I guess I can't stop you

[PerpetualBurn]

Yes but they arrested him for the way he reacted to being gently led outside.

He managed to turn "Please step outside" into "Stop or we'll taser you".

Pillock.

[Mr. Ron]

He probably deserved it. He had numerous opportunities to go quietly.

He didn't do anything to deserve it. Whats with you people?


I will even argue that he even truly struggled with them. All he did was pull away from their unnecessary grappling. People seem to think just because they are cops you have to comply with them, you don't. If there is an unjust action being leveled at you by a cop, you should be able to resit that at all costs. That badge doesn't make them god.

[Otherside]

On whose authority were they removing him though? John Kerry told the police himself to let the kid stay and for him to ask answer the question.

[Otherside]

He didn't do anything to deserve it. Whats with you people?

I think so many people are offset by the dude douchebag demeanor that they're simply forgetting that he really didn't do anything wrong other than be a douchebag up until he was already being arrested.

[DBoons Ghost]

If he was acting in a threatening manner or was acting violent (IE: rushing the stage with clenched fists).. then by all means taser away.

The media is spinning this one to make it look as though the kid wanted this to happen to make an example of himself, as well as get on the news.

And of course, rent a cops being as dumb as they are, they fed right into it.

Now, people here at work are saying "put yourself in the shoes of the campus cops".

Does anyone feel as though 2 or 3 campus security guards couldn't easily and without injury subdue one unruly college kid without a fricken taser? C'mon!

[Mr. Ron]

Also, it was the police that instigated the altercation, or lack thereof. THEY came at him aggressively for no reason. He was right to pull away. They had no intention to "lead him out quietly". They were forcefully dragging him to the ground.

[DBoons Ghost]

Was it actual police? I thought it was campus security.

[Mr. Ron]

Was it actual police? I thought it was campus security.

UPD.

[Danish]

If he was acting in a threatening manner or was acting violent (IE: rushing the stage with clenched fists).. then by all means taser away.

The media is spinning this one to make it look as though the kid wanted this to happen to make an example of himself, as well as get on the news.

And of course, rent a cops being as dumb as they are, they fed right into it.

Now, people here at work are saying "put yourself in the shoes of the campus cops".

Does anyone feel as though 2 or 3 campus security guards couldn't easily and without injury subdue one unruly college kid without a fricken taser? C'mon!

That's exactly what I'm talking about with this "culture of security" stuff. Like, the media paying such reverence to everyone who "keeps us safe". Keep us safe? Really? I mean, the government's policies across-the-board, be them regarding foreign policy decisions or the Occupational Safety & Health Administration, further endanger American people every day. All the while half the population is totally disenfranchised, with the US suffering the worst deficit of democracy in the industrialized world. And the answer is give the state more arbitrary authority?

There are underlying social issues that need to be addressed. Democracy is all about community and social cohesion. Those problems must be corrected in a way that respects the rights of everyone in the country. I know you think it's impossible, but I don't.

[DBoons Ghost]

I couldn't agree with you more, but really dude, it's an isolated incident.

Better a taser then a 22 rifle, or a hose pushing 300 psi of water into student's chests.

We've come a long way and have too far to go, but I'm not gonna cry panic in the streets over something like this.

[Danish]

I couldn't agree with you more, but really dude, it's an isolated incident.

Better a taser then a 22 rifle, or a hose pushing 300 psi of water into student's chests.

We've come a long way and have too far to go, but I'm not gonna cry panic in the streets over something like this.

But it isn't an isolated incident. This sort of thing happens all the time. There are no isolated incidents.

[WhoDidTheElf]

That kid should have been tasered for just being such an obnoxious douche bag let alone resisting arrest.

[Danish]

That kid should have been tasered for just being such an obnoxious douche bag let alone resisting arrest.

So you think it's ok to beat and arrest someone for trying to exercise their rights?

[Mr. Ron]

That kid should have been tasered for just being such an obnoxious douche bag let alone resisting arrest.
You know you really don't think that.

[Luc214]

That kid should have been tasered for just being such an obnoxious douche bag let alone resisting arrest.

How was he being obnoxious? Are questions now illegal?

[ringworm]

He didn't do anything to deserve it. Whats with you people?
So you think it's ok to beat and arrest someone for trying to exercise their rights?


we think everything was calm and orderly until THE KID acted like a buffoon

whether or not it was just & fair that he was asked to come with the officers, that is what still what happened, they ASKED, then HE proceded to jump around like Bhusta Rhymes, its really simple

it wasnt until he went beserk that force was applied

[Mr. Ron]

we think everything was calm and orderly until THE KID acted like a buffoon

whether or not it was just & fair that he was asked to come with the officers, that is what still what happened, they ASKED, then HE proceded to jump around like Bhusta Rhymes, its really simple

it wasnt until he went beserk that force was applied

He wasn't asked, he was lunged at. That is violence perpetrated against a citizen, if he resists, that is self defense.

[WhoDidTheElf]

You know you really don't think that.

Oh but I do!

How was he being obnoxious? Are questions now illegal?

He had this air of arrogance around him that he was the almighty and he knew every thing. "I like to inform people before I ask them a question."

[Mr. Ron]

Oh but I do!



He had this air of arrogance around him that he was the almighty and he knew every thing. "I like to inform people before I ask them a question."

Stop being stupid, an opinion doesn't warrant violence.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Stop being stupid, an opinion doesn't warrant violence.

Stop being hypersensitive. His arrogance alone annoys me. He was warned, and he didn't comply. Tough luck.

[Mr. Ron]

Stop being hypersensitive. His arrogance alone annoys me. He was warned, and he didn't comply. Tough luck.

He was only warned after he was violently tackled and dragged to the back and held down. I think you'd be a little pissed yourself. He was restrained and not a danger to anyone.

[WhoDidTheElf]

He was only warned after he was violently tackled and dragged to the back and held down. I think you'd be a little pissed yourself. He was restrained and not a danger to anyone.

It's taught in police training on how to take a person down. It's so the officers don't get hurt. If you have a problem with that take it to the state.

Also if you can't take a hit like that you need to have your balls removed. Kids in elementary school take harder hits playing football.

[Mr. Ron]

It's taught in police training on how to take a person down. It's so the officers don't get hurt. If you have a problem with that take it to the state.

Also if you can't take a hit like that you need to have your balls removed. Kids in elementary school take harder hits playing football.

Um, what where they taking him down for? The first time the lunged at him he was doing nothing wrong but asking if he could finish what he was saying.


What are you talking about, a "hit"? They tasered him. You'd cry like a bitch too, stop trying to act macho.

[Luc214]

It's taught in police training on how to take a person down. It's so the officers don't get hurt. If you have a problem with that take it to the state.

He didn't need to be "taken down".

[WhoDidTheElf]

Um, what where they taking him down for? The first time the lunged at him he was doing nothing wrong but asking if he could finish what he was saying.

It's how the police do things, if you're pissing in public drunk they take you down that way, it's just how it's done to avoid any danger if the kid flips a bitch.

What are you talking about, a "hit"? They tasered him. You'd cry like a bitch too, stop trying to act macho.

I meant when he was tackled not when he was tasered. I've been tasered before, and shot with rubber bullets. Tasering hurts like a bitch and will knock you down, I don't deny that.

[Mr. Ron]

It's how the police do things, if you're pissing in public drunk they take you down that way, it's just how it's done to avoid any danger if the kid flips a bitch.



I meant when he was tackled not when he was tasered. I've been tasered before, and shot with rubber bullets. Tasering hurts like a bitch and will knock you down, I don't deny that.

So violence against citizens is ok when they are not being threatening, right.



The only time I heard him scream in pain was when electrical currents were surging through his body, idk.

[VomitStainedCretin]

It's how the police do things, if you're pissing in public drunk they take you down that way, it's just how it's done to avoid any danger if the kid flips a bitch.So public urination=deserving of police brutality? And illustrate at which point the kid was a physical threat to anyone.

[WhoDidTheElf]

So violence against citizens is ok when they are not being threatening, right.

Yes. If they are asked to calm down and refuse to, then it is acceptable.

The only time I heard him scream in pain was when electrical currents were surging through his body, idk.

My first comment was to you saying him being "violently" tackled. And I said if a kid can't take a hit like that he should have his balls removed. Who cares if he's tackled? You get a bruise boo-****ing-hoo.

So public urination=deserving of police brutality? And illustrate at which point the kid was a physical threat to anyone.

I don't see how that was police brutality. Taking some one down like that is how they are taught. It's so the person can't harm them selves or the police officers. I don't get what's so hard to grasp about this.

The kid wasn't ever a physical threat, arguably a mental one though, but that wasn't what got him the tasering now was it?

[ringworm]

He wasn't asked, he was lunged at. That is violence perpetrated against a citizen, if he resists, that is self defense.
major LULZ, you're not really serious are you?

please say you're only trolling on this one, lol

nothing major happened until the kid ran and spun around flailing around like a kite with no string

[DBoons Ghost]

There have been many violent acts commited upon citizens on college campuses over the years for similar actions in speaking out against Uncle Sam and his brethren.

As I stated earlier, students used to get shot dead over less, and hosed down like dogs.

A taser is a momentary shock that leaves no long term damage.

I think that at the very least, they have a non lethal method of temporarily stunning a potential nutjob. You will never get it to where they carry nothing. If they had police batons, this kid would be in the hospital with fractures and lacerations.

It could have been a lot worse, and maybe 5 years ago it would have been.

[Iscariot]

There have been many violent acts commited upon citizens on college campuses over the years for similar actions in speaking out against Uncle Sam and his brethren.

As I stated earlier, students used to get shot dead over less, and hosed down like dogs.

A taser is a momentary shock that leaves no long term damage.

I think that at the very least, they have a non lethal method of temporarily stunning a potential nutjob. You will never get it to where they carry nothing. If they had police batons, this kid would be in the hospital with fractures and lacerations.

It could have been a lot worse, and maybe 5 years ago it would have been.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/13/the_odd_body_taser_stungun/
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/rochester-mi/TGBQVCAM4QJ3QPM0L
http://www.wiat.com/news/local/9602462.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/05/03/007/26924
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon134.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroshock_weapon_controversy

i would rather be smacked around with a baton

[WhoDidTheElf]

According to the first article only 75 people have died after being stunned by a stun gun, and of that 75, only 27% have found to have been caused by the stun gun...?

[Iscariot]

1 death is too many

the fact that the police are killing people at all with stun guns is a sign of improper use and excessive force

[ringworm]

none of that even matters though, out of those cases, how many could have been avoided by simply walking out with the officers as you were asked to do in the first place

[WhoDidTheElf]

According to the article there are outside influences on it too, such as drugs.

I mean srsly what's the next best option? Asking a person to please calm down a billion times? Or mace?

[WhoDidTheElf]

Because we actually like law and order?

edit: wtf he deleted his post! I'm not actually a nut case
>>
<<

[Illmatic]

idk the cops seemed way out of line.

this wasn't some angry NFL d-lineman they were taking down, just some skinny worked-up college kid wearing Abercrombie. seemed like the normal "make an example" assshole move cops usually do.

[ringworm]

i never have understood the sympathy for this guy, the other kid tasered in the library, or that douche in the car giving the cop a hard time

all of which ended up being handled poorly, i admit, but all of which were a direct result of the supposed victims failure to act rationally, before it got blown out of proportion, but everyone seems to focus on the aftermath instead of the beginning


edit: wtf he deleted his post! I'm not actually a nut case
lol, who was it?

[Kage]

It was me, I just didn't fee like getting into the argument so I deleted the post.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Wow I just now learned that that guy had like 5 cops following him before he got there, and they told him if he asked his questions that he would be arrested...with that..the cops have even more justification...

[Kage]

Can you provide a source for that info?

[Permanent Solution]

Perhaps more importantly, can you provide why they were allowed to threaten him with arrest for asking a question?

[Iscariot]

Wow I just now learned that that guy had like 5 cops following him before he got there, and they told him if he asked his questions that he would be arrested...with that..the cops have even more justification...

how are they justified in their actions by threatening him beforehand about asking his question in an open-forum discussion with kerry

if anything that digs a deeper hole for these pigs

[DBoons Ghost]

Perhaps more importantly, can you provide why they were allowed to threaten him with arrest for asking a question?

This is the most important factor.

And Iscariot, thanks for that info. I guess I'm ignorant to the real effects of a taser. I have some reading to do.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Perhaps more importantly, can you provide why they were allowed to threaten him with arrest for asking a question?

Possibly because he was known for making intagonizing comments. Idk. But if he was warned then...

Can you provide a source for that info?

Just heard it on the radio, can't provide a link, I'll see if I can dig it up somewere on the intawebz.

Doesn't say he was told by police but it does say he was being followed by them before he got there.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297197,00.html

[Iscariot]

Possibly because he was known for making intagonizing comments. Idk. But if he was warned then...

so you're advocating the restriction of free speech if you don't like hearing what someone else has to say

that's not vindication that's retardation

And Iscariot, thanks for that info. I guess I'm ignorant to the real effects of a taser. I have some reading to do.

no prob buddy

[WhoDidTheElf]

so you're advocating the restriction of free speech if you don't like hearing what someone else has to say

that's not vindication that's retardation

Well what he was saying on the mic was "retardation" if you will. And also it's been said that he barged to the front of the line, and barged into the speech. Which he was prolly warned not to go in, and when did, ended up "disturbing the peace"

[Permanent Solution]

Possibly because he was known for making intagonizing comments. Idk. But if he was warned then...

Irrelevant. If a cop warns me I'm going to be arrested if I believe in Mohammed it doesn't mean he's right in arresting me when I do so. What the student said was pretty clearly covered by freedom of speech as far as I can tell from the several videos I watched and Kerry wanted to even address his question so I must be missing where in there he should have been arrested for saying what he did.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Note my comment above.

[Luc214]

If he was being followed and had been warned not to ask a question why then did it take them so long to respond?

[Iscariot]

Well what he was saying on the mic was "retardation" if you will. And also it's been said that he barged to the front of the line, and barged into the speech. Which he was prolly warned not to go in, and when did, ended up "disturbing the peace"

no what he was saying on the mic was a valid opinion as are all opinions regardless of the substance

that's the beauty of free speech

you can't pick and choose when free speech is applicable because that completely negates the entire point of it

if you support this kind of police response maybe you should move to a less privileged country where the masses spend their days moving as one big flock of ignorant and repressed sheep

it sounds like the perfect environment for hypocritical tools like yourself

[WhoDidTheElf]

no what he was saying on the mic was a valid opinion as are all opinions regardless of the substance

that's the beauty of free speech

you can't pick and choose when free speech is applicable because that completely negates the entire point of it

if you support this kind of police response maybe you should move to a less privileged country where the masses spend their days moving as one big flock of ignorant and repressed sheep

it sounds like the perfect environment for hypocritical tools like yourself

It wasn't his comments. It was that he wasn't supposed to go into the speech, and wasn't supposed to cut in line. He got arrested for disturbing the peace, not saying things.

[Iscariot]

It wasn't his comments. It was that he wasn't supposed to go into the speech, and wasn't supposed to cut in line. He got arrested for disturbing the peace, not saying things.

it seems those who considered him to be disturbing the peace were the overzealous officers on scene

kerry wanted him to ask his question
the students in the auditorium wanted him to ask his question

no one found him in the wrong except for the censoring gestapo that filled his body with a high-voltage electrical current just to shut him up

In the clip, officers force Meyer down as the student says he will walk out of the auditorium if officers let him go.

unnecessary force in every sense of the term

[Luc214]

The officers were the ones disturbing the peace.

If they were truly concerned about keeping the peace they would have just told him to leave, and if he wouldn't they would have escorted him out. (Not that I agree with that either)

Not arrested him.

[WhoDidTheElf]

it seems those who considered him to be disturbing the peace were the overzealous officers on scene

kerry wanted him to ask his question
the students in the auditorium wanted him to ask his question

no one found him in the wrong except for the censoring gestapo that filled his body with a high-voltage electrical current just to shut him up

They only wanted the question asnwered after he was in there. He was never supposed to be in there from the get go. So he had already commited the crime. Get it?

unnecessary force in every sense of the term

Yeah because he already got to ask his quesion, which he wasn't even supposed to. He should have just let the cops arrest him and take him away. It would have ended peacefully. He knew when he whent in there and barged to the front of the line that he was going to be arrested. And when it happend he cried foul.

The officers were the ones disturbing the peace.

If they were truly concerned about keeping the peace they would have just told him to leave, and if he wouldn't they would have escorted him out. (Not that I agree with that either)

Not arrested him.

He was told before he entered the building not to go in, but he did anyways.

[Luc214]

I'm honestly not sure about this whole idea that he was warned, as I said before, why then did it take them so long to respond?

It seems to me that they would have grabbed him as soon as they saw him take the mic if they were truly following him and had warned him.

[Against Miik!]

I'm glad that kid got tasered and I think he is too. It just adds drama to the whole situation. Had he not gotten tasered, nobody would have heard this story.

[Iscariot]

They only wanted the question asnwered after he was in there. He was never supposed to be in there from the get go. So he had already commited the crime. Get it?

no i don't get it

where is it legal to bar someone from an open-forum because you don't want to hear what they have to say

last i checked that was a crime not the other way around

Yeah because he already got to ask his quesion, which he wasn't even supposed to. He should have just let the cops arrest him and take him away. It would have ended peacefully. He knew when he whent in there and barged to the front of the line that he was going to be arrested. And when it happend he cried foul.

you must have missed this it's ok i'll just post it again

In the clip, officers force Meyer down as the student says he will walk out of the auditorium if officers let him go.

He was told before he entered the building not to go in, but he did anyways.

and there was no validation in attempting to bar him from entering

i would have entered too because there was no reason for him not to other than the officers didn't want someone asking an abrasive question

[WhoDidTheElf]

I'm honestly not sure about this whole idea that he was warned, as I said before, why then did it take them so long to respond?

It seems to me that they would have grabbed him as soon as they saw him take the mic if they were truly following him and had warned him.

Assuming that he hadn't really done anything that bad upon entering the building the cops were prolly going to wait for him to actually do something other than bust in. It makes for a stronger case. Kinda like when some one steals something, the are watching you when you put it in your pocket, and can arrest you there, but it's a better case if you ahve left the building with the items.

[Mr. Ron]

Yes. If they are asked to calm down and refuse to, then it is acceptable.



My first comment was to you saying him being "violently" tackled. And I said if a kid can't take a hit like that he should have his balls removed. Who cares if he's tackled? You get a bruise boo-****ing-hoo.



I don't see how that was police brutality. Taking some one down like that is how they are taught. It's so the person can't harm them selves or the police officers. I don't get what's so hard to grasp about this.

The kid wasn't ever a physical threat, arguably a mental one though, but that wasn't what got him the tasering now was it?
Maybe you should read what I posted again:

So violence against citizens is ok when they are not being threatening, right.



This guy wasn't a threat.





major LULZ, you're not really serious are you?

please say you're only trolling on this one, lol

nothing major happened until the kid ran and spun around flailing around like a kite with no string

I'm not kidding at all. He did nothing and only started resisting when the officers forcefully grabbed at him. He was well within his rights to resist.


Wow I just now learned that that guy had like 5 cops following him before he got there, and they told him if he asked his questions that he would be arrested...with that..the cops have even more justification...

oh totally censorship rulz.


You people sometimes.....

[Mr. Ron]

They only wanted the question asnwered after he was in there. He was never supposed to be in there from the get go. So he had already commited the crime. Get it?



Yeah because he already got to ask his quesion, which he wasn't even supposed to. He should have just let the cops arrest him and take him away. It would have ended peacefully. He knew when he whent in there and barged to the front of the line that he was going to be arrested. And when it happend he cried foul.



He was told before he entered the building not to go in, but he did anyways.

Then wasn't it the cop's fault for not effectively barring him from the building?

[WhoDidTheElf]

Maybe you should read what I posted again:

So violence against citizens is ok when they are not being threatening, right.
This guy wasn't a threat.

Ugh I swear, he was ressisting arrest what should they have done? Maced him? Punched his lights out?

no i don't get it

where is it legal to bar someone from an open-forum because you don't want to hear what they have to say

last i checked that was a crime not the other way around

Because it could have possibly been ending, or the building was full to capacity or he had some deliquencies (sp?) on his record that bared him from school events? I don't know.

and there was no validation in attempting to bar him from entering

you do not know this, don't act like you do.

i would have entered too because there was no reason for him not to other than the officers didn't want someone asking an abrasive question

You do no know this, you haven't heard all the facts of the case, you can not make this judgement. There is to much unknown, only untill trial will these facts be known.


I'm not kidding at all. He did nothing and only started resisting when the officers forcefully grabbed at him. He was well within his rights to resist.

I don't believe it's your "right" to ressist arrest.

[Mr. Ron]

Ugh I swear, he was ressisting arrest what should they have done? Maced him? Punched his lights out?



Because it could have possibly been ending, or the building was full to capacity or he had some deliquencies (sp?) on his record that bared him from school events? I don't know.



you do not know this, don't act like you do.



You do no know this, you haven't heard all the facts of the case, you can not make this judgement. There is to much unknown, only untill trial will these facts be known.




I don't believe it's your "right" to ressist arrest.

I'm referring to when the first grabbed him at the mic. He was doing nothing to provoke them grabbing him.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Then wasn't it the cop's fault for not effectively barring him from the building?

Assuming that he hadn't really done anything that bad upon entering the building the cops were prolly going to wait for him to actually do something other than bust in. It makes for a stronger case. Kinda like when some one steals something, the are watching you when you put it in your pocket, and can arrest you there, but it's a better case if you ahve left the building with the items.

mhm

[Iscariot]

Ugh I swear, he was ressisting arrest what should they have done? Maced him? Punched his lights out?

In the clip, officers force Meyer down as the student says he will walk out of the auditorium if officers let him go.


Because it could have possibly been ending, or the building was full to capacity or he had some deliquencies (sp?) on his record that bared him from school events? I don't know.

oh ok so now you don't know

you do not know this, don't act like you do.

maybe you should have read the article you posted

oh yeah and remember when i called you a hypocrite

You do no know this, you haven't heard all the facts of the case, you can not make this judgement. There is to much unknown, only untill trial will these facts be known.

you just reasserted that name drop


I don't believe it's your "right" to ressist arrest.

it is when the arrest is unlawful

[WhoDidTheElf]

I'm referring to when the first grabbed him at the mic. He was doing nothing to provoke them grabbing him.

So you're saying they should have grabbed him lighter or not at all? I mean he got his time, they cut his mic, he was then going to be escorted (sp?) out of the building, became angry, and then they decided to arrest him, and he started resisting and got pwned.

[Mr. Ron]

mhm

No see that helps his case. If he was such a threat then they wouldn't have let him in thew building.

[Iscariot]

So you're saying they should have grabbed him lighter or not at all? I mean he got his time, they cut his mic, he was then going to be escorted (sp?) out of the building, became angry, and then they decided to arrest him, and he started resisting and got pwned.

:rolleyes:

In the clip, officers force Meyer down as the student says he will walk out of the auditorium if officers let him go.

[Mr. Ron]

So you're saying they should have grabbed him lighter or not at all? I mean he got his time, they cut his mic, he was then going to be escorted (sp?) out of the building, became angry, and then they decided to arrest him, and he started resisting and got pwned.

They shouldn't have grabbed him at all, gave him the chance to finish what he was saying and let Kerry respond. Even Kerry was asking the police to let him go ffs.

[WhoDidTheElf]

oh ok so now you don't know



maybe you should have read the article you posted

That was after he commited the crime, he can't be let go then. What's so hard to understand? A simple law class in HS teaches you that.


you just reasserted that name drop

You are talking about facts of a case that you can't know. No one knows why he wasn't supposed to be in there, but he wasn't.

No see that helps his case. If he was such a threat then they wouldn't have let him in thew building.

No offence intended, but have you taken a law class or two? Cause this is one of the first things you are taught in law.

[Iscariot]

That was after he commited the crime, he can't be let go then. What's so hard to understand? A simple law class in HS teaches you that.

he didn't commit a crime worthy of the use of a taser much less a forceful take down

a simple law class in HS teaches you the difference between necessary and unnecessary force


You are talking about facts of a case that you can't know.

oh the irony!

No one knows why he wasn't supposed to be in there, but he wasn't.

according to the officers guilty of excessive force

if there were a valid lawful reason to bar him from entering that would have been the first in a string of information released to support the action of the officers

[Mr. Ron]

That was after he commited the crime, he can't be let go then. What's so hard to understand? A simple law class in HS teaches you that.




You are talking about facts of a case that you can't know. No one knows why he wasn't supposed to be in there, but he wasn't.



No offence intended, but have you taken a law class or two? Cause this is one of the first things you are taught in law.
I really doubt they would have let him come in if they thought he would cause any major trouble.

[Iscariot]

I really doubt they would have let him come in if they thought he would cause any major trouble.

exactly

it's not like he dropped in from a skylight and fought his way to the microphone

the officers let him in the front door

if they had a valid and justifiable reason to bar him from speaking at the forum he never would have gotten through the front doors

[WhoDidTheElf]

I really doubt they would have let him come in if they thought he would cause any major trouble.

I doubt they would have too, but it makes for a better case to let him in for disturbing the peace charges.

he didn't commit a crime worthy of the use of a taser much less a forceful take down

a simple law class in HS teaches you the difference between necessary and unnecessary force

The force that was used was because he was resisting arrest...

And the circle starts again, "well he shouldn't have been arrested". I think we can agree to disagree, and we're all tired of repeating our selves.

[Luc214]

After the incident, Capt. Jeff Holcomb of the UPD said Meyer had been charged with disrupting a public event and placed in the Alachua County Jail. Holcomb said there would be an investigation into whether the officers used force appropriately, adding that employing a Taser gun would only be justified in a case where there was a threat of physical harm to officers.

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070917/NEWS/70917006/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

I've seen 3 videos of this incident, and there is no way in hell that he was any physical threat to the officers.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Yeah and resisting arrest is usually that. But I'm srsly done with this topic now!

[Iscariot]

I doubt they would have too, but it makes for a better case to let him in for disturbing the peace charges.

we call that entrapment and that is not a legal law enforcement method

as for resisting arrest - he never swung at the officers, he never made any attempt to attack the officers

there was no assault against an officer filed in his charges as far as we so far know and by the video provided there is no grounds for such a charge

by that understanding, the officers were in no way justified in the use of a taser

[WhoDidTheElf]

Not quite. Entrapment would have been if they had told him a long while in advance, and just let him walk in the door, take the mic and then bust him.

[ringworm]

as the student says he will walk out of the auditorium if officers let him go
that should have been his response before he went apeshit crazy

but whatever, maybe most who feel sympathy for this kid will try a similar experiment and we'll soon see you on TV as well doing the same thing and crying the same way

this has nothing to do with censorship, and everything to do with being dumb, or wanting to be treated like an adult while acting like a toddler

if only he would have remained calm instead of trying to flee, nothing would have happened

[deeps]

Kerry is a high profile figure. I know my fair share of unstable people and from a security standpoint this guy would have seemed like one to mee too. Students with real pro/anti kerry oppinions and questions deserve to not have their potential to excercise thier freedoms interferred with. Either he was looking for attention or he was dagerous; in either case he needs to be taken away from the mike so that real ideas can be discussed, that is what these events are for (I wouldn't go up to the podium and start reciting poetry I may have written and expect constitutional protection.) once he refuses to move along, and starts yelling, he is causing a disturbance. Once he starts struggling, he needs to be arrested and since it only takes a second for an officer or student to be harmed, they have the right to subdue him. This doesn't mean police are showing agressive male tendencies necessrily; in fact this kid himself showed enough of that.

He didn't just deserve it, he asked for it. This is coming from someone who is increasingly disgusted with law enforcement and the way they treat most situations.

[Mr. Ron]

He did remain clam until unjust force was used against him.

[ringworm]

ok. now you're just making stuff up

[Mr. Ron]

No, not really. He said "excuse me, ill finish talking" or something to that effect and it all started when they grabbed him. its not that hard.

[Iscariot]

Not quite. Entrapment would have been if they had told him a long while in advance, and just let him walk in the door, take the mic and then bust him.

as far as i'm aware this is exactly what they did

[Luc214]

Ringworm regardless of your opinion on the matter, if you read my above post the use of a taser was not justified in the slightest.

[WhoDidTheElf]

as far as i'm aware this is exactly what they did

If so then I could agree. But I do believe there has to be premeditation, and I don't know if there was or wasn't any.

[ringworm]

No, not really. He said "excuse me, ill finish talking" or something to that effect and it all started when they grabbed him. its not that hard.
whatever, that wasnt the case, good thing we arent on the jury, cause we'd be deliberating indefinately :p

i've sent this vid out to around 20 or so, all with the same responses coming back, he asked for it & deserved it, so at least there a few rational adults still left out there

done with this thread, carry on hating the evil pigs that only want to contolz teh young people and oppress your toughts and speechz against your will :)

[deeps]

Ringworm regardless of your opinion on the matter, if you read my above post the use of a taser was not justified in the slightest.

he wasn't in cuffs yet, he said he would cooperate IF they let him leave but it was too late for that.

[Mr. Ron]

whatever, that wasnt the case, good thing we arent on the jury, cause we'd be deliberating indefinately :p

i've sent this vid out to around 20 or so, all with the same responses coming back, he asked for it & deserved it, so at least there a few rational adults still left out there

done with this thread, carry on hating the evil pigs that only want to contolz teh young people and oppress your toughts and speechz against your will :)

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Iscariot]

if by rational adults you mean uniformed uneducated right-wing supporters of unnecessary and unjustifiable force then i guess you know plenty

[Mr. Ron]

if by rational adults you mean uniformed uneducated right-wing supporters of unnecessary and unjustifiable force then i guess you know plenty

hey look the truth.

[Permanent Solution]

If so then I could agree. But I do believe there has to be premeditation, and I don't know if there was or wasn't any.
Why does there need to be premeditation?

In allowing him to enter so that they could build evidence they would obviously be engaging in entrapment regardless of how much premeditation had happened before the event. They would have already had to acknowledge the consequences of their actions insofar as realizing letting him in would build up evidence for them.

[Luc214]

he wasn't in cuffs yet, he said he would cooperate IF they let him leave but it was too late for that.

After the incident, Capt. Jeff Holcomb of the UPD said Meyer had been charged with disrupting a public event and placed in the Alachua County Jail. Holcomb said there would be an investigation into whether the officers used force appropriately, adding that employing a Taser gun would only be justified in a case where there was a threat of physical harm to officers.

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070917/NEWS/70917006/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

[Dave de Sylvia]

we call that entrapment and that is not a legal law enforcement method

as for resisting arrest - he never swung at the officers, he never made any attempt to attack the officers
He was waving that book around in a pretty menacing fashion. There could have been paper cuts or worse: reading!

[Iscariot]

anything but that!

[Permanent Solution]

Very true SOP, I had never thought about the fact that he was resisting arrest and in possession of a very dangerous weapon, a book. Obviously this weapon's presence justifies tazing. Case closed.

[Mr. Ron]

He was waving that book around in a pretty menacing fashion. There could have been paper cuts or worse: reading!

I KNOW! IDEAS COULD HAVE FALLEN OUT OF THAT BOOK AND CRUSH THE COP'S TOE!

[deeps]

for someone who sounds like a chemically unbalanced person to yell conspiracy theories at a polititian and INSIST ON KEEPING HIS HANDS FREE you'd have to be a pretty shite cop to not see a threat, regardless of how many other officers were around. ths is standard procedure

Edit: heh, i see i can't say s-ite anymore...... that's what happens when I leave for 2 years and expect things to stay as they are

[Mr. Ron]

for someone who sounds like a chemically unbalanced person to yell conspiracy theories at a polititian and INSIST ON KEEPING HIS HANDS FREE you'd have to be a pretty shite cop to not see a threat, regardless of how many other officers were around. ths is standard procedure

Um, where do you get the idea that he's chemically unbalanced?





BTW: ****.

[Iscariot]

he was raising his voice so he must be crazy!

[Mr. Ron]

he was raising his voice so he must be crazy!

lets use our inside voices.

[Iscariot]

and follow every statement with a nice reserved golf clap

[deeps]

Im pretty sure hes looking for attention but from a schizo in the family I'd think a cop could easily hear it in the content of his words and tone of voice and the look on his face. First thing I thought when I watched it yesterday

[Dave de Sylvia]

I KNOW! IDEAS COULD HAVE FALLEN OUT OF THAT BOOK AND CRUSH THE COP'S TOE!
This "free exchange of ideas" sounds an awful lot like communism.

[Permanent Solution]

Im pretty sure hes looking for attention but from a schizo in the family I'd think a cop could easily hear it in the content of his words and tone of voice and the look on his face. First thing I thought when I watched it yesterday
I know many many people with chemical imbalances and issues of mental anomalies and I did not attribute any of them to this kid, and schizophrenia of all things?

[deeps]

I know many many people with chemical imbalances and issues of mental anomalies and I did not attribute any of them to this kid, and schizophrenia of all things?

in my family yes, and ive heard the tone of voice and seen THAT look in the eyes, mind you im sure hes not crazy and did not intend to look so, but I can see how security person would get the impression. Hell Cho sounded more put together and stable in his crazy 'you had to spill my blood' video...

Edit: after he's tasered, and he's in the lobby he's yelling 'you'll tell people right? They're going to try to kill me' at first glance it sounded pretty paranoid, no?

[Dave de Sylvia]

He has two personalities: the guy waving the book and the guy getting tasered.

[Iscariot]

in my family yes, and ive heard the tone of voice and seen THAT look in the eyes, mind you im sure hes not crazy and did not intend to look so, but I can see how security person would get the impression. Hell Cho sounded more put together and stable in his crazy 'you had to spill my blood' video...

i'm actually lol'ing right now

i like how you watched the video and assumed he's mentally insane because he was determined to ask his questions and have them answered

could you by any chance upload a copy of your phd in psychology

[Kage]

in my family yes, and ive heard the tone of voice and seen THAT look in the eyes, mind you im sure hes not crazy and did not intend to look so, but I can see how security person would get the impression. Hell Cho sounded more put together and stable in his crazy 'you had to spill my blood' video...

What in the hell are you even talking about?

[dei]

LOL. He had that look in his eyes, eh?

[Iscariot]

That Look

That Crazy Look

O_o Like That

[Dave de Sylvia]

LOL. He had that look in his eyes, eh?
This one?

http://www.guide2prince.org/pics/9282894.jpg

[Iscariot]

http://i2.tinypic.com/6chu1qw.jpg

[Mr. Ron]

Im pretty sure hes looking for attention but from a schizo in the family I'd think a cop could easily hear it in the content of his words and tone of voice and the look on his face. First thing I thought when I watched it yesterday

Are you kidding me? He just looked passionate/excited. I didn't see any difference between his emotions and another normal person's emotions...

[WhoDidTheElf]

Why does there need to be premeditation?

In allowing him to enter so that they could build evidence they would obviously be engaging in entrapment regardless of how much premeditation had happened before the event. They would have already had to acknowledge the consequences of their actions insofar as realizing letting him in would build up evidence for them.

Because things like larceny are proved via this method. You commit the crime when you put the item in your pocket, and can be arrested for it there. But it's easy to say "whoops I didn't mean to put that in there." So 9 times out of 10 they'll let you walk out of the store then bust you. Idk why the law is set up like that, but it is.

[Permanent Solution]

in my family yes, and ive heard the tone of voice and seen THAT look in the eyes, mind you im sure hes not crazy and did not intend to look so, but I can see how security person would get the impression. Hell Cho sounded more put together and stable in his crazy 'you had to spill my blood' video...

Edit: after he's tasered, and he's in the lobby he's yelling 'you'll tell people right? They're going to try to kill me' at first glance it sounded pretty paranoid, no?
Cho was more composed and stable. Actually crazy people are COMPLETLY COMPOSED because they are comfortable with their reality. People who appear crazy tend to be people with temporary problems which is causing a break in their sense of reality.

Ask the kid if he thought he was going to get tazed when he asked his question and I bet he says no, hence, a dramatic break in reality.

[deeps]

I'm no phsycologist I'll admit so I'll post an apology for overreaching my expertise....as soon as I see your law and security deploma.

I thought at first sight that the police would mistake these signs. I posted many times that I'm sure this was a stunt LOL all you want, but he could have even asked his question and got an answer w/out interferrence had he considered his behavior and other's perception of it.

Cops nowadays have too mauch power and exercise it far too much, but this was not one of those cases.

Edit: the cho thing was intentional hyperbole sorry for not being a little more clear with that.

[deeps]

Are you kidding me? He just looked passionate/excited. I didn't see any difference between his emotions and another normal person's emotions...
refusing to accept when your mic time is abruptly cut short by throwing a hissy, and then refusing to be escorted out which is most likely what would have happened at first... until he kept yelling and struggling

[Permanent Solution]

I'm no phsycologist I'll admit so I'll post an apology for overreaching my expertise....as soon as I see your law and security deploma.

I thought at first sight that the police would mistake these signs. I posted many times that I'm sure this was a stunt LOL all you want, but he could have even asked his question and got an answer w/out interferrence had he considered his behavior and other's perception of it.

Cops nowadays have too mauch power and exercise it far too much, but this was not one of those cases.
Wait what?

No police are definitely trained to recongnize dementia and are trained in personal crisis control. The Thomas Theorem and its applications are commonly part of police training so that cops are suited to recognizing crises and responding accordingly.

[deeps]

sigh

5-10 seconds isn't enough time to diagnose but it is enough time to be responsible and take precautions to ensure everyone's safety (I'm talking about intervening and asking him to calm down as they first did, not tasering him) When he reacts badly, you escort him out, when he resists that, you arrest. when he resists further you then subdue. He never gave up his hands in case your ever arrested that's a big no-no

[Mr. Ron]

refusing to accept when your mic time is abruptly cut short by throwing a hissy, and then refusing to be escorted out which is most likely what would have happened at first... until he kept yelling and struggling

That wasn't being "escorted" that was being violently thrown out.


Plus that doesn't show how he is unbalanced.

[Permanent Solution]

sigh

5-10 seconds isn't enough time to diagnose but it is enough time to be responsible and take precautions to ensure everyone's safety (I'm talking about intervening and asking him to calm down as they first did, not tasering him) When he reacts badly, you escort him out, when he resists that, you arrest. when he resists further you then subdue. He never gave up his hands in case your ever arrested that's a big no-no
No no you're failing to understand that cops are trained in ways to defuse a situation and they acted very contrary to that training by allowing it to escalate so much and in many cases acting as the instigators of that escalation.

[deeps]

Are you kidding me? He just looked passionate/excited. I didn't see any difference between his emotions and another normal person's emotions...

My last post here but he was a little more than that. Not all unbalanced people foam at the mouth whilst hitting thier head against a wall. They do however INSIST that you accept their version of reality from time to time. I'm honestly suprised that with all the high profile school violence and political extremism of late people are shocked that this turd would be viewed as areal threat in this setting

[Hababi]

Wow this thread got big in a hurry. Anyway better late than never:

I didn't mind when that idiot at UCLA got tasered ("PATRIOT ACT!!"), and I don't care about this guy either. He was looking for attention and he got it.

[Iscariot]

steve you just reasserted my point against republicans in this thread it's like you missed your cue but still delivered the punchline with style

[deeps]

No no you're failing to understand that cops are trained in ways to defuse a situation and they acted very contrary to that training by allowing it to escalate so much and in many cases acting as the instigators of that escalation.

Well that's for the investigation, not you or I to decide I feel he forced the escalatio/reactions, you feel they did it of thier own carelessness. Since we won't agree just promise me for your sake you never pull a stunt like that

[Mr. Ron]

My last post here but he was a little more than that. Not all unbalanced people foam at the mouth whilst hitting thier head against a wall. They do however INSIST that you accept their version of reality from time to time. I'm honestly suprised that with all the high profile school violence and political extremism of late people are shocked that this turd would be viewed as areal threat in this setting

Yeah, he wasn't insisting on anything besides letting him finish what he was saying.

[Hababi]

steve you just reasserted my point against republicans in this thread it's like you missed your cue but still delivered the punchline with style

That's what I'm here for :D

[Permanent Solution]

My last post here but he was a little more than that. Not all unbalanced people foam at the mouth whilst hitting thier head against a wall. They do however INSIST that you accept their version of reality from time to time. I'm honestly suprised that with all the high profile school violence and political extremism of late people are shocked that this turd would be viewed as areal threat in this setting
No really unbalanced person does that sort of thing. An actually dengerous person walks into a room, kills everyone and leaves without a loss of poise. People experiencing paranoia and dementia are controllable because they're only temporarily crazy and cops are taught how to defuse those sorts of situations as peacefully as possible because it ensures the safety of everyone. When you have a bomb in front of you ticking you try to defuse it systematically not pull at wires until it explodes in your face.

[ringworm]

steve you just reasserted my point against republicans in this thread it's like you missed your cue but still delivered the punchline with style

im a democrat

[Iscariot]

im a democrat

in that case allow me to subtract the term "right-wing" from my previous statement

everything else stands

[ringworm]

LOL :p

so do all mine

[Danish]

That kid should have been tasered for just being such an obnoxious douche bag let alone resisting arrest.

So you think it's ok to beat and arrest someone for trying to exercise their rights?

[Hababi]

So you think it's ok to beat and arrest someone for trying to exercise their rights?

He wasn't trying to exercise his rights, he was trying to make a scene so he could have a good clip for his website. Let's not conflate things.

[Otherside]

Last time I checked there was no footnote on the freedom of speech saying that you had to be intelligent and right to be able to qualify your freedom :)

If this is the case, why don't we just tazer every white supremacist in the country?

[Independent_CA]

Good God, what slow POS system does CNN use, that video took forever to load for me.

This pisses me off to no end. That guy did nothing wrong on the video and a whole room full of people cheered at his rights (and their own rights as well) being forcefully violated. If that had been me I would've thrown some blows for sure. I haven't spent the last 4+ years in the military so that people in the US can get assaulted for asking valid questions in public. I also think most of the students in that room are d-bags for cheering his removal or staying silent. What a bunch of ignorant pussies.

Personal story: I go to San Diego State and last year the university police tazed a kid for skateboarding on campus...skateboarding. He'd been talking to the police before it happened if I remember right and was not presenting a threat to anyone. My roommate saw the whole thing first hand and it was video taped by a cell phone which made its way to the news. Don't remember what exactly came of it, but I know he sued and there was an investigation going on.

[Akira]

Wow. I finally watched the video. Disgusting.
Yes, the kid was being obnoxious, but that is his right. They had no justification for touching him.

[Reaganista]

the campus cops should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon
pretty simple

[Luc214]

Good God, what slow POS system does CNN use, that video took forever to load for me.

You must have slow internet, it loaded in 5 seconds for me. :D

[Independent_CA]

You must have slow internet, it loaded in 5 seconds for me. :D

Probably right. F*ckin SDSU...

[Hababi]

Yes, the kid was being obnoxious, but that is his right. They had no justification for touching him.

Of course they did. They can remove anyone who is being disruptive.

[dei]

I still haven't figured out if you're a troll, Serenity.

[spitfirejunky]

Does anyone feel as though 2 or 3 campus security guards couldn't easily and without injury subdue one unruly college kid without a fricken taser? C'mon!

This.

[Violent_Bill]

The whole intended purpose of public servants seems to be lost now days. Who exactly are they protecting by doing that?

[BridgeToSolace]

I'm probably a huge dick for this, but I found the video kinda funny. When he starts stomping around going "What'd I do what'd I do!" (as if he didn't know why he was being escorted out.) And then the "ooowwww!" after he gets tazered. It was almost comic.

Vince threatened to punch me for saying that, though :(

They weren't really restriction his freedom of speech. He had plenty of time to ask his questions, he just insisted on rambling on and on. He would have gone on forever if they let him. Other people want to ask questions at these things, he has no right to restrict THEIR freedom of speech by taking up their time beyond reason.

Sure, he didn't actually take up all that much time, because they didn't let him. You don't let things get more out of hand before you stop the disturbance. He spends more than a minute and barely gets out a question between his ramblings (Kerry even said "I read the book, I know." And he continues to explain it to people who already know what the hell is going on) and then says "NO, I HAVE THREE MORE QUESTIONS".

Have some ****ing respect, dude. You're not on equal footing with the guest speaker. It's not your speech. Ask your question and sit the **** down. The thing that got me was when he said "I'm going to inform the people, and then ask my question.". It's complete pretentious nonsense.

This is not an issue of free speech, for he had free speech and then took it beyond that point. Free speech is not free speech. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a movie theater. He was not being censored for WHAT he said, he was being escorted out for how he decided to spend his time in front of the mic.

You can make a case for overzealous university officers, though. People kept saying earlier in the thread that "omg he wasn't moving when they tasered him!" Of course he wasn't moving, they were pinning him down! But they can't escort you out when the minute they let you get up you're going to be thrashing around.

When cops tell you to do something, do it. Don't be a ****ing self righteous prick and say "IT'S WITHIN MY RIGHT BLAH BLAH BLAH". Protest afterwards. Protesting while your being arrested only gives the cops a justification for making you stop what you were doing.

Standing up for your right is great, but being rash and stupid about it is not.

[Mr. Ron]

^^^^ Thats fine and dandy, but nothing he did warranted them tasering him.

[BridgeToSolace]

^^^^ Thats fine and dandy, but nothing he did warranted them tasering him.

Yeah, probably not. There are more effective ways to handle the situation. A product of people who want a well trained police (or university police) force, but are not willing to pay for it. The problem is with the system, not the police officers.

I still think his reaction was funny, though. "Owwwwwwwwww" is something you say when you stub your toe, or something a little kid does when he scrapes his elbow, not when you have thousands of volts of electricity coursing through your veins.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah, probably not. There are more effective ways to handle the situation. A product of people wanting a well trained police (or university police) force, but are not willing to pay for it. The problem is with the system, not the police officers.

I still think his reaction was funny, though. "Owwwwwwwwww" is something you say when you stub your toe, or something a little kid does when he scrapes his elbow, not when you have thousands of volts of electricity coursing through your veins.

Well people have different pain thresholds I guess.

[Otherside]

They weren't really restriction his freedom of speech. He had plenty of time to ask his questions, he just insisted on rambling on and on.

No, I'm pretty sure he said he had three questions to ask and that was it. He wasn't even given the 5 minutes that the other students were given.


You can't yell "FIRE!" in a movie theater. He was not being censored for WHAT he said, he was being escorted out for how he decided to spend his time in front of the mic

oh my god I hate this analogy how was he causing a panic or disturbance that could potentially result in the harm of others in his asking of Kerry about his immediate conceding of the presidency


When cops tell you to do something, do it. Don't be a ****ing self righteous prick and say "IT'S WITHIN MY RIGHT BLAH BLAH BLAH". Protest afterwards. Protesting while your being arrested only gives the cops a justification for making you stop what you were doing.

and what would this accomplish in the eyes of the guy? Nothing, while given his method he lands on national headlines.

[Reaganista]

They weren't really restriction his freedom of speech. He had plenty of time to ask his questions, he just insisted on rambling on and on.
they weren't really restricting his freedom of speech, he just insisted on speaking

He would have gone on forever if they let him. Other people want to ask questions at these things, he has no right to restrict THEIR freedom of speech by taking up their time beyond reason.
they couldve asked questions after him i dont see the issue

Sure, he didn't actually take up all that much time, because they didn't let him. You don't let things get more out of hand before you stop the disturbance. He spends more than a minute and barely gets out a question between his ramblings (Kerry even said "I read the book, I know." And he continues to explain it to people who already know what the hell is going on) and then says "NO, I HAVE THREE MORE QUESTIONS".

Have some ****ing respect, dude. You're not on equal footing with the guest speaker. It's not your speech.

it was a question and answer session

Ask your question and sit the **** down. The thing that got me was when he said "I'm going to inform the people, and then ask my question.". It's complete pretentious nonsense.

and...

This is not an issue of free speech, for he had free speech and then took it beyond that point. Free speech is not free speech.
yes it is
You can't yell "FIRE!" in a movie theater.
yes you can
the case you're referencing was otherthrown fyi
decades ago
He was not being censored for WHAT he said, he was being escorted out
you mean he was attacked with a deadly weapon

for how he decided to spend his time in front of the mic.

for how he decided to speak

You can make a case for overzealous university officers, though. People kept saying earlier in the thread that "omg he wasn't moving when they tasered him!" Of course he wasn't moving, they were pinning him down! But they can't escort you out when the minute they let you get up you're going to be thrashing around.

no they were attacking a defenseless person it was on video you saw it

When cops tell you to do something, do it. Don't be a ****ing self righteous prick and say "IT'S WITHIN MY RIGHT BLAH BLAH BLAH". Protest afterwards.
are you seriously this stupid people have every right to defend themselves against cops who are acting illegally

Protesting while your being arrested only gives the cops a justification for making you stop what you were doing.

the cops made him stop what he was doing well before they decided to attack him with a deadly weapon

Standing up for your right is great, but being rash and stupid about it is not.
um the only people who were rash and stupid were the cops

[Iscariot]

for once tway makes sense

[Independent_CA]

I'm probably a huge dick for this, but I found the video kinda funny. When he starts stomping around going "What'd I do what'd I do!" (as if he didn't know why he was being escorted out.) And then the "ooowwww!" after he gets tazered. It was almost comic.

Vince threatened to punch me for saying that, though :(

They weren't really restriction his freedom of speech. He had plenty of time to ask his questions, he just insisted on rambling on and on. He would have gone on forever if they let him. Other people want to ask questions at these things, he has no right to restrict THEIR freedom of speech by taking up their time beyond reason.
Rambling on and on? He spoke for like 2 minutes, if that.

Sure, he didn't actually take up all that much time, because they didn't let him. You don't let things get more out of hand before you stop the disturbance. He spends more than a minute and barely gets out a question between his ramblings (Kerry even said "I read the book, I know." And he continues to explain it to people who already know what the hell is going on) and then says "NO, I HAVE THREE MORE QUESTIONS".
What disturbance? Nobody in the audience was saying anything and Kerry wasn't trying to get him to stop, he was listening to his questions.

Have some ****ing respect, dude. You're not on equal footing with the guest speaker. It's not your speech. Ask your question and sit the **** down. The thing that got me was when he said "I'm going to inform the people, and then ask my question.". It's complete pretentious nonsense.
Yes, he is on equal ground with him. He is a US citizen just like Kerry and therefore they have the same rights under the law. In fact, Kerry being a member of the government gives HIM a responsibility to respond to this guys concerns.


This is not an issue of free speech, for he had free speech and then took it beyond that point. Free speech is not free speech. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a movie theater. He was not being censored for WHAT he said, he was being escorted out for how he decided to spend his time in front of the mic.
Then what kind of issue is this?


You can make a case for overzealous university officers, though. People kept saying earlier in the thread that "omg he wasn't moving when they tasered him!" Of course he wasn't moving, they were pinning him down! But they can't escort you out when the minute they let you get up you're going to be thrashing around.
Yes you can, that's what handcuffs or zip cuffs are for. A person who can't move their arms isn't going to be able to resist very much. I've had some training in this area and I know what I'm talking about. 1 or 2 officers could do this easily, 4 should have been no problem.

When cops tell you to do something, do it. Don't be a ****ing self righteous prick and say "IT'S WITHIN MY RIGHT BLAH BLAH BLAH". Protest afterwards. Protesting while your being arrested only gives the cops a justification for making you stop what you were doing.
Actually you're supposed to be a "self-righteous prick" in those kinds of situations. The police are supposed to protect your rights, not violate them. I've done it before and it was enough to diffuse the situation. Just sitting back and taking it is cowardly and dangerous.


Standing up for your right is great, but being rash and stupid about it is not.
All this guy did was talk, there's nothing rash and stupid about that.



I still think his reaction was funny, though. "Owwwwwwwwww" is something you say when you stub your toe, or something a little kid does when he scrapes his elbow, not when you have thousands of volts of electricity coursing through your veins.
Intense pain doesn't exactly produce rehearsed responses.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

The cops barring him, and following him in, his retarded views and the students cheering when he got taken down lead me to believe that there is more to this.

As for the right and wrong of the tasering, if you don't fu'ck up in the first place, don't resist arrest when you get caught and don't be a moron, you'll never get tasered.

[Akira]

"Get caught"? The whole issue is that, before they tried to contain him, he did nothing to warrant being arrested. As far as I can tell, the only thing he is guilty of is being a douche and resisting arrest. The former is not cause to arrest him, and the latter only happened as a result of this.
This kid was a moron, no doubt. But that doesn't give the police the right to drag him off and taser him. Watching the video, it is obvious that the kid was trying to make a scene during his arrest. But the cops weren't? You cannot possible try to tell me that that many cops cannot contain one kid. And if they really couldn't, then they don't deserve their job.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

They cops were doing what society wants them to do. They are obliged, because of the security obsession, to come down on that stuff hard.

It's not their fault, if you've got a problem, the problem is with everyone being shi'tscared of everyone else, and wanting Mr. Policeman to protect them with everything in his power.

[PerpetualBurn]

The whole issue is that, before they tried to contain him, he did nothing to warrant being arrested.

Except they don't dive in and arrest him.

They cut his mike because he's an idiot and then go to lead him outside when he starts shouting at them. At this point they have not arrested him.

He refuses to be casually taken outside, seems to think he has some God-given right to kick up a massive fuss, and gets himself arrested.

Then since he's such a tool he can only think to escalate things further by resisting the cuffs.

[ringworm]

I am writing this day and time down that PB's opinion matches mine exactly on this topic :)

I guess that throws Iscariot's views out the window that only the ignorant right wing supporters of injustice feel this way about this guy's childish behavior

[Mr. Ron]

The cops barring him, and following him in, his retarded views and the students cheering when he got taken down lead me to believe that there is more to this.

As for the right and wrong of the tasering, if you don't fu'ck up in the first place, don't resist arrest when you get caught and don't be a moron, you'll never get tasered.

You just missed the entire thread.

[Mr. Ron]

Except they don't dive in and arrest him.

They cut his mike because he's an idiot and then go to lead him outside when he starts shouting at them. At this point they have not arrested him.

He refuses to be casually taken outside, seems to think he has some God-given right to kick up a massive fuss, and gets himself arrested.

Then since he's such a tool he can only think to escalate things further by resisting the cuffs.


Lunging at him and grabbing him isn't a sign of "casual" escorting, is it?

[ringworm]

You just missed the entire thread.
it sounds like you missed the entire video?

i would like to see the entire clip to see what happened before this one starts, and how many times he may have been asked to stop or be seated, by the looks of this one, lots more had already taken place

[PerpetualBurn]

Lunging at him and grabbing him isn't a sign of "casual" escorting, is it?

No.

But that's not what happened.

[Danish]

He wasn't trying to exercise his rights, he was trying to make a scene so he could have a good clip for his website. Let's not conflate things.

So people should be beaten and arrested for "making a scene"? Causing a "disruption"? What about striking workers?

[VomitStainedCretin]

So people should be beaten and arrested for "making a scene"? Causing a "disruption"? What about striking workers?"What! Workers striking? Filthy Communists, Taser the lot!"