Joe Zawinul (Weather Report) dead at 75.

[Led_Zeppelin678]

Just thought all you Jaco fans might like to know.

[Sablate McNuff]

R.I.P. Joe

:upset:

It's sad when truly great musicians die.

[Left Shoe]

it is most bad

[Bajs]

How old was he when he was in Weather?

What did he play btw? I like them but i have no ieda about the lineup except jaco.

[Akira]

Keys.

[peeted]

This certainly is very sad, does anyone know who else he played with in his time?

[skingle]

i think he played with miles davis on a few albums, bitches brew being one.

[EADG]

i think he played with miles davis on a few albums, bitches brew being one.

correct

[Undisco Kidd]

i think he played with miles davis on a few albums, bitches brew being one.

He also played on In A Silent Way

[Thonk]

rip joe :/

[TheClap]

Yeah, can't say I agree with him on a musical stance, but he was a magnificent piano player and a true inovator.

His work with cannonball adderly is definatley his best. Also with Maynard Ferguesons big band, those are some good tracks.

[Spaceman Spiff]

JoeDaddio is dead? :upset:

[Dot.]

JoeDaddio is dead? :upset:

:upset:
don't joke like that

[Pluperfect_Arson]

Keys.

Keys open doors
Keys open doors
Keys open door-
K-Keys open doors

[BassVirtuoso]

Wow...that guy was amazing. I just got his solo cd too...wow...

[TheClap]

Mercy, Mercy, Mercy.

[Brandon_S]

Damn,this sucks so many great ones have gone lately.

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

Guys, come on. He was 75. I think he had his time. If he was like, 8-I could see the reason for all this sadness.

[Brandon_S]

Or the fact he was amazing,the age thing doesent matter.

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

Dude, shut up. He was ****ing old.

[peeted]

Its sad when anyone like Zawinul dies, regardless of age.

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

No, it's not sad.

You are aware that death might one day happen to some of us? The unlucky ones, maybe...but it still happens. Sometimes.

[TheClap]

Its sad to lose such a musician who you seem to not even realize influenced you. You know that electronic (like not even the genre) music? Yeah, I think you do, hes pushed that so far, and I think you need to quit trying to be, Mr. I don't care we're all going to die, considering the **** you put out owes something to the man.

[peeted]

No, it's not sad.

You are aware that death might one day happen to some of us? The unlucky ones, maybe...but it still happens. Sometimes.
Might? well all die some day, its still sad when it happens.

[Jody LeCompte]

For those of you who don't know.

Sade is a nihlist who believes that death is simply "cerebral shutdown" and thus not the reason of any emotions. Everyone shuts down and the only reason we're sad is because we fear our very own death.

I's not really worth arguing.

[peeted]

That doesn't follow, your sad when someone dies because there is nothing more than can come from them, weather death is a cerebral shutdown or something else is irrelevant to weather its sad or not. Nihilism doesnt even come into it.

[iceman3019]

his keyboard melodies in "black market" always brought a smile to my face . . . may he rest in peace . . .

[Son of Magni]

I was a kid when the first WR albums came out. It was an amazing time because there were only a few people building on what Coltrane had started. Miles, McLaughlin, Zawinul to name a few. And what they were doing was so new and creative. Many people that were lucky enough to be playing at that time will be remembered for many many years.

[ScorpSath]

on tha note where is JoeDaddio?

[Spaceman Spiff]

That doesn't follow, your sad when someone dies because there is nothing more than can come from them, weather death is a cerebral shutdown or something else is irrelevant to weather its sad or not. Nihilism doesnt even come into it.

You must be sad 100% of the time, then. People are always dying. ALWAYS!

[peeted]

Well no because i don't know most of the people in the world, the point is that people like Zawinul die it is sad because they were people who created things you enjoy and in death is the end of any further potential creativity. Its the same reason you may be happy when someone you don't like dies, because they cant do what ever caused them to make you unhappy any more.

[Spaceman Spiff]

So only talented/famous people deserve international mourning from all. Gotcha.

[peeted]

Well you mourn people you know and only famous people are known the world over so yes, famous people are the only ones who get international mourning. I cant believe im actually arguing about why its sad when people die....

[Spaceman Spiff]

I can really say that only one death has ever actually made me sad, all other ones that I've 'cared' about have been more like, "Oh, that's too bad." It doesn't affect me further than that. Perhaps I'd prefer it if they didn't die (depending on age/cause of death), but dead celebrities don't cause me to be sad.

[Riouken]

I can really say that only one death has ever actually made me sad, all other ones that I've 'cared' about have been more like, "Oh, that's too bad." It doesn't affect me further than that. Perhaps I'd prefer it if they didn't die (depending on age/cause of death), but dead celebrities don't cause me to be sad.

I agree with Spiff on this completely.

Think about what "sad" actually means. I've had a few deaths in my family, never have I been sad. I never really got connected to them!

And... I never really got connected to famous musicians. Including this guy, or James Brown (who I am a huge fan of). It is indeed a "shame" but I am not upset about it.

Death is sad because you will never get to ses that person ever ever again. Which is really upsetting if you know the person and have a huge connection with them!!! But I don't get that sorta close connection with celebrities I've never ever met or spoken to.

[katana_manatee]

Shame, he was quite a musician but he had his time. Thanks for the music Joe.

To be honest I feel more sad for the thousands and thousands of kids who have died today because of starvation and preventable illnesses.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Shame, he was quite a musician but he had his time. Thanks for the music Joe.

To be honest I feel more sad for the thousands and thousands of kids who have died today because of starvation and preventable illnesses.

Peeted doesn't, they're not famous and didn't give him anything.

[peeted]

Its all relative, no one who commented on Zawinuls death will have reacted the same way they would to a relative dying, but saying its sad in a situation like this is just the same as saying its a shame, its just an expression of negative feeling toward the event.

And don't give it that spiff you just said that you were only ever sad at one death, now your slating me for not bringing starving children into my argument? that doesn't make sense.

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

Its all relative, no one who commented on Zawinuls death will have reacted the same way they would to a relative dying, but saying its sad in a situation like this is just the same as saying its a shame, its just an expression of negative feeling toward the event.

And don't give it that spiff you just said that you were only ever sad at one death, now your slating me for not bringing starving children into my argument? that doesn't make sense.

please tell me you have some sort of fake learning disability to blame your stupidity on.

Further, let me unleash the edification on you foolz.

If you are actually, deeply traumatized by the death of some iconic figure, you are suffering from what psychologist's call "A Lapse into Vicarious Reality." This means you are simply so detached from your own reality that you have become symbiotic with another-usually one that has been visually manifested by some idolatry held dear. In this case, a famous musician.

Because I know this is probably not the case with any of you and you're just presenting your empathy to represent your enjoyment of said musician's music, I will let this nonsense pass unmarked.

However.

That said, being concerned over the death of others is something constructed by our society-in which death has become an intolerable taboo to speak about in any light other than fearful remorse.

[Riouken]

Its all relative, no one who commented on Zawinuls death will have reacted the same way they would to a relative dying, but saying its sad in a situation like this is just the same as saying its a shame, its just an expression of negative feeling toward the event.

And don't give it that spiff you just said that you were only ever sad at one death, now your slating me for not bringing starving children into my argument? that doesn't make sense.

Ok! I misunderstood. I thought feeling sad was differnet than knowing it was a shame.

Saying the "situation" could be a sad event is probably more relevant. So I agree with you.

I actually think some people are like, "Man this is awful." to kind of, let everyone know they knew who the guy was and knew they were in love with such a high level group as Weather Report.


I just know many people to do this, I'm probably wrong in the case of this forum...

EDIT:

To be honest I feel more sad for the thousands and thousands of kids who have died today because of starvation and preventable illnesses.

That is probably somethin gto get more upset about but, this sounds "bad" I suppose but for the majority it is true.

Out of sight, out of mind. I often forget about the starvation in the world, as much people forget the american beheadings in Iraq. Human nature works that way.

[BassVirtuoso]

Let's argue about philosophy in the bass forum I'm sure we will get somewhere because we are all philosophers and what we say usually has a lot of validity and depth when it comes to politics and philosophy good idea guys.

[Riouken]

Let's argue about philosophy in the bass forum I'm sure we will get somewhere because we are all philosophers and what we say usually has a lot of validity and depth when it comes to politics and philosophy good idea guys.

We are human beings man! :P It's good stuff!


Life doesn't end at bass! PSSHT!

[BassVirtuoso]

We are human beings man! :P It's good stuff!


Life doesn't end at bass! PSSHT!

I know but it's a thread in the bass forum about Joe Zawinul...

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

Let's argue about philosophy in the bass forum I'm sure we will get somewhere because we are all philosophers and what we say usually has a lot of validity and depth when it comes to politics and philosophy good idea guys.

Wow, people were right.

You HAVE become a complete and total toolbox.

[BassVirtuoso]

That hurt deep inside.

[Riouken]

I know but it's a thread in the bass forum about Joe Zawinul...

When I argued against Gav that off-topic things keep getting allowed on the bass forum, it seemed ok for bass forum topics to go off on interesting tangents. I think moral philosophy is an interesting tangent.


And simply because we are not "philosophers" (whatever that actually means) doesn';t mean we can't at least discuss it :D

[BassVirtuoso]

When I argued against Gav and off-topic thigns it seeme dok for bass frum topics to go off on interesting tangents. I think moral philosophy is an interesting tangent.


And simply because we are not "philosophers" (whatever that actually means) doesn';t mean we can't at least discuss it :D

Well ok if that's what you think, I just don't see where this could possibly go.

[Riouken]

Well ok if that's what you think, I just don't see where this could possibly go.

It doesn't have to go anywehre man, it's just fun to discuss moral philosophy and it jsut so happened this thread turned it onto that. Most mods have never had a problem with off topic tangents.

I'm not saying YOU do, because I know you jsut don't see the pointin this particular off-topic tangent. I'm just saying the fact it is "off topic" simply because it is in the bass forum ahs never been a problem in the past. Infact, I was argued against for implying stuff was.

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

When I argued against Gav that off-topic things keep getting allowed on the bass forum, it seemed ok for bass forum topics to go off on interesting tangents. I think moral philosophy is an interesting tangent.


And simply because we are not "philosophers" (whatever that actually means) doesn';t mean we can't at least discuss it :D

Dude stop grinnin' like a ****in retard. Nobody takes you seriously when you ****in' pop a god damn smiley emote after everything you ****in' say.

****.

[Riouken]

Dude stop grinnin' like a ****in retard. Nobody takes you seriously when you ****in' pop a god damn smiley emote after everything you ****in' say.

****.

I'm just lame aren't I? I should be rebelious and never smile


YA HEAR?

[ThisIsDefinitelyNotSade]

I'm just lame aren't I? I should be rebelious and never smile


YA HEAR?

****ING RIGHT DOGGY

[BassVirtuoso]

It doesn't have to go anywehre man, it's just fun to discuss moral philosophy and it jsut so happened this thread turned it onto that. Most mods have never had a problem with off topic tangents.

I'm not saying YOU do, because I know you jsut don't see the pointin this particular off-topic tangent. I'm just saying the fact it is "off topic" simply because it is in the bass forum ahs never been a problem in the past. Infact, I was argued against for implying stuff was.

Yeah I know what you mean

[Son of Magni]

You people need to chill and listen to some Weather Report :upset:

[katana_manatee]

You people need to chill and listen to some Weather Report :upset:

Indeed.

Got Havona on just now...

Does anyone else find it faintly amusing how a thread created in tribute of a jazz legend has turned into a pseudo-philisophical debate of whether we should really give a ****?

[Son of Magni]

Indeed.

Got Havona on just now...

Does anyone else find it faintly amusing how a thread created in tribute of a jazz legend has turned into a pseudo-philisophical debate of whether we should really give a ****?

Yeah, amusing but sad...

/end of rant

[katana_manatee]

Yeah, amusing but sad...

/end of rant

Agreed, hence the faintly...

I guess if it wasn't for Zawinul, I wouldn't be into jazz anywhere near as much as I am now.

[Riouken]

Indeed.

Got Havona on just now...

Does anyone else find it faintly amusing how a thread created in tribute of a jazz legend has turned into a pseudo-philisophical debate of whether we should really give a ****?

It is amusing, but I like tangents liek that, open discussion. It's good stuff!

Why, if we all stuck to what was in the thread title, what a boring freedom of speech forum this would be.

[katana_manatee]

It is amusing, but I like tangents liek that, open discussion. It's good stuff!

Why, if we all stuck to what was in the thread title, what a boring freedom of speech forum this would be.

True enough, but we seem to be pissing all over the phrase "respect for the dead" in a way.

This thread was made to honour a man's life and to be honest there has been very little honouring at at all, just back and forth bitching and going off on tangents more or less from the outset.

I agree that going off on tangents can be fun and enlightening, but really, is it appropriate here?

And from that a philisophical discussion could entail regarding social trends, ideas, morals et al, what society deems appropriate behaviour, how that has changed through the ages etc, but come on, you wouldn't go to a funeral then talk about whether or not any of us should be bothered.

This is no way a dig at you though, Ben, just the situation of the thread.

Anyways, whatever, let the discussion continue, I have given my two pence/cents.

[Riouken]

True enough, but we seem to be pissing all over the phrase "respect for the dead" in a way.

This thread was made to honour a man's life and to be honest there has been very little honouring at at all, just back and forth bitching and going off on tangents more or less from the outset.

I agree that going off on tangents can be fun and enlightening, but really, is it appropriate here?

And from that a philisophical discussion could entail regarding social trends, ideas, morals et al, what society deems appropriate behaviour, how that has changed through the ages etc, but come on, you wouldn't go to a funeral then talk about whether or not any of us should be bothered.

This is no way a dig at you though, Ben, just the situation of the thread.

Anyways, whatever, let the discussion continue, I have given my two pence/cents.


It's just a thread about the mans life. I think we can discuss about whether we should care or not. Because, it's not liek a funeral at all, why...?



I WOULD CARE ABOUT THE PERSON IF I WENT TO THE FUNERAL! There would be no question as to wehther we should care. Reason being, I attended.

Highly different here, it's open ended discussion free to discuss whatever we like. It is indeed a thread about honouring a man's life but that doesn't mean we have to stick to thread title or indeed "honour him" at all. I think we disagree straight away since I don't believe in "respect for the dead" phrase. Why should I respect the dead anymore than any other human being, simply becaue they are dead? I respect this man just as much as I did when he was living.

No bitch on you either man btw, just opinions and such ;)

EDIT: Ahhh! I did smiley, please take me seriously sir, as this emoticon as negated any point I ever made... ever.

[katana_manatee]

It's just a thread about the mans life. I think we can discuss about whether we should care or not. Because, it's not liek a funeral at all, why...?



I WOULD CARE ABOUT THE PERSON IF I WENT TO THE FUNERAL! There would be no question as to wehther we should care. Reason being, I attended.

Highly different here, it's open ended discussion free to discuss whatever we like. It is indeed a thread about honouring a man's life but that doesn't mean we have to stick to thread title or indeed "honour him" at all. I think we disagree straight away since I don't believe in "respect for the dead" phrase. Why should I respect the dead anymore than any other human being, simply becaue they are dead? I respect this man just as much as I did when he was living.

No bitch on you either man btw, just opinions and such ;)

EDIT: Ahhh! I did smiley, please take me seriously sir, as this emoticon as negated any point I ever made... ever.

Yah, just all opinions. I am a bit drunk right now and all that stuff kinda flew out without me thinking... I'll probably have a different view in the morning ha ha.

I just mean that in general when something is made to commemorate a person you don't just come in to tell people why bother, but free speech and all so whatever.

Right now I am just feeling things then trying to back track and find out why and then rationalise. Right now I am doing a bad job. :p

[Riouken]

Yah, just all opinions. I am a bit drunk right now and all that stuff kinda flew out without me thinking... I'll probably have a different view in the morning ha ha.

I just mean that in general when something is made to commemorate a person you don't just come in to tell people why bother, but free speech and all so whatever.

Right now I am just feeling things then trying to back track and find out why and then rationalise. Right now I am doing a bad job. :p

Haha it's cool man. No-one came in to question why sucha thread should be a made. It was just whether or not people actually felt genuinally upset about his death. I was honestly interested since I've never really got upset about death, even about famous celebrities who I was huge fan of.

Anyway, sign up to http://www.thebassvault.com - Live chat with Vic and Steve tonight.

[katana_manatee]

Haha it's cool man. No-one came in to question why sucha thread should be a made. It was just whether or not people actually felt genuinally upset about his death. I was honestly interested since I've never really got upset about death, even about famous celebrities who I was huge fan of.

Anyway, sign up to http://www.thebassvault.com - Live chat with Vic and Steve tonight.

Ha ha, I really must be sloshed if I am totally misunderstanding things. My typing seems to not be affected though, all that work as an admin worker is paying off in some respects ha ha.

I would, but I am skint right now, like seriously skint. :(

Guess that is what happens when you buy an AER amp, fit your Martin with a Fishman Rare Earth Blend and then get a set up for the Martin.

Recordings shall follow shortly. Prob some time tomorrow, I'll record one of my solo pieces.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

Pour those 40's on the sidewalk.