O/T: RHCP Breaking Up?

[Berk]

I just saw a thread on pdf about them breaking up.

anyone know if this is true?

http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=185343&page=1&pp=12

[MeaninglessPhoto]

I have a feeling that they arent breaking up. I mean, c'mon. They survived years of drug addiction, death, and countless member changes. I am willing to bet that the rumor is false.

[Maggot Dream]

I wouldn't be too surprised, honestly. They passed their musical prime a long time ago.

[Josiah]

stop bring crap from pdf over here.

[ConnectiveTissue]

I'm willing to bet it's 100% crap. Such typical PDF though, you make a thread, and all the metal heads come in and start bashing a certain band while they still come back with things like "Oh man, metal IS music, who cares if you don't like it?" etc.

Glad I got banned from there, kinda aggravates me when I see threads like that though.

EDIT: On topic though, as if they would break up? They've had nothing but awesome shows (save for technical malfunctions), and in every recent interview the band has spoken about the overwhelming positive vibe about their latest record and touring with it.

[Parradiddle Pete]

No, they are not breaking up. I heard this too, at the gig at Leeds festival on sunday. John came on stage and talked about it being a long haul and this being the final show. It turns out that we missed the part where he said about the long tour. This was the last show of the 18 month Stadium Arcadium tour.

Was a fantastic show, they played the best set ever. Emit Remmus, Get On Top, She's Only 18 and Throw Away Your Television were highlights.

I was worried aboput them breaking up til i found an NME article that told us they weren't

I expect 1 more album, but, anything after that would be a bonus :)

xx

EDIT: For me, I wasn't bullshitting when i said i thought they were breaking up, i actually had good reason to think it

I'm willing to bet that th person who started the thread on PDF was at leeds festival or had been talking to soeonhe who was there on the night ;)

xx

[Aaron]

I don't like them so I kinda wish they would.

[Talos]

Yeah, I hope they do. Theyre pretty awful.
That was clear at Reading.

[Parradiddle Pete]

Yeah, I hope they do. Theyre pretty awful.
That was clear at Reading.

Yeah, apparently the Reading set wasn't amazing. Should have gone to Leeds! It was amazing!

Plus, if we're hoping for bands to break up can i register my vote for the horrors, klaxons and enter shikari? :)

[Talos]

Plus, if we're hoping for bands to break up can i register my vote for the horrors, klaxons and red hot chilli peppers? :)

Word :smoke:

[Parradiddle Pete]

Nah man, Chilis are a good strong band. They're way and above most of the bands in the charts at the moment. They've been through a lot and are still producing decent music, it's maytbe not as good as the BSSM era stuff, but it's stiull well written and for the most part well performed. I will stand up for the chilis :)

[Vannaroth]

Meh, I'm not bothered. They kinda piss me off.

[SylentEcho]

I hope they break up and get run over by a damn 10 wheeler.

[GhostNote]

Yeah, apparently the Reading set wasn't amazing. Should have gone to Leeds! It was amazing!

Plus, if we're hoping for bands to break up can i register my vote for the horrors, klaxons and enter shikari? :)

I like the horrors! Leave! Haha


-GN

[Parradiddle Pete]

I hope they break up and get run over by a damn 10 wheeler.

I hope the same happens to you



The reason i said the horrors was cause i saw them at leeds festival and they just sucked, they were very static on stage, all th songs were like a minute long and they all looked pilled off their tits!
And the music was not my thing, each to his own i suppose!

[Massik Kretal]

I think the majority of people that hate RHCP just hate them because others hate them.

[Talos]

Well, if you hate one song by RHCP you pretty much hate all of their stuff.

[Vannaroth]

I think the majority of people that hate RHCP just hate them because others hate them.

Or because they're outrageously boring and have gotten famous by writing the same song over and over again.

[Massik Kretal]

AC/DC has one song as well but I don't hear people giving them ****. Both make good music, who cares if their songs have a similar sound. It's really not that big of a deal, the make good music and thats that.

They aren't the best musicians [pretty damn good cept for Anthony Keidis] but they still write music that is pleasing to listen to and love doing what they do. Stop pretending to hate them to be cool.

[Parradiddle Pete]

They haven't though! Listen to 1 song from every album and you will find that they have changed so much over time!


Listen to party on your pussy, under the bridge and right on time, 3 completely different songs! the examples can keep coming!

xx

[santi3hg]

I just don't really like their music, whatever genre you want to put it in.

[Talos]

Well I meant all their stuff is the same, so if you hate one song you hate all of their songs, because its all the same.

[Vannaroth]

Yeah, come on, even RHCP fans have got to admit they're just a tad repetitive.

[Parradiddle Pete]

It isn't though.

[Massik Kretal]

I'm going with Pete on this one, their songs really arent that similar.

And I mean I don't like My Chemical Romance. I think they make shitty music but I don't wish that they break up and die or w.e because I could care less. People say crap like that to sound cool, though I don't understand how that makes you cool...

[Talos]

It really is, same boring, plain, "funk rock" :rolleyes:

[BassFish]

if they do break up you can expect some good stuff from john to come out soon.

and saying their the same old funk rock doesn't mean anything.

you can have 2 funk rock bands and make it sound completely different.

[Massik Kretal]

And Elvis is the same boring Rock n Roll, but people still listen to him. Thats their genre, every band has one...

[Parradiddle Pete]

It really is, same boring, plain, "funk rock" :rolleyes:

Californication, Under the bridge, Dosed, Venice Queen...SHOW ME THE FUNK ROCK!


if they do break up you can expect some good stuff from john to come out soon.

Listen to the album Curtains... I ****ing lvoe john's solo stuff! Even the old stuff he made to pay for heroin has it's place!

[Massik Kretal]

Well really...this thread is gonna get closed so...whatever.

[BassFish]

shadows collide with people is my favorite by him

[Sammy_L_D]

Saw them live once--very good set--don't care if they continue now or not.

And their sound is VERY repetitive, as a whole.

[Talos]

Im not saying I want them to die, but theyd be better off stopping. Their last album was pretty sucky, theyve done a Metallica tbh.

[Parradiddle Pete]

Meh


But, i hate metallica lol.


Each to his own is where this thread should end

xx

[Vannaroth]

Yeah it really does seem that now would be a good time for them to call it a day.

[Parradiddle Pete]

:) nice one bruvaaa

xx

[Josiah]

Gosh you know, maybe they actually enjoy what they do... even if you guys don't.

[Retarded Chipple]

theyve done a Metallica tbh.

Except RHCP can play their instruments...



I saw them at Reading on Saturday and it was uber crap. I told ya'll bout it in the Stronghold....how they screwed up and Anthony left the stage in a pissy 10 minutes before the end of the set.

After witnessing that I did turn to my girlfriend and say how I wouldn't be surprised if they split up soon...

[Futuro]

wot i got cha got to get it put it in u
wot i got cha got to get it put it in u
wot i got cha got to get it put it in u
up down steemy around for the mean two

wot i gotcha gota give it to yo moma
wot i gotcha gota give it to yo moma
wot i gotcha gota give it to yo moma
hup down fligga borruwn to mow soma

lyrical genus tbh

[Massik Kretal]

What happened at Reading?

[Josiah]

not a good show would be my guess

[Talos]

They sucked to cut it short.
No energy or anything, not what youd expect from professionals.

[BassFish]

wot i got cha got to get it put it in u
wot i got cha got to get it put it in u
wot i got cha got to get it put it in u
up down steemy around for the mean two

wot i gotcha gota give it to yo moma
wot i gotcha gota give it to yo moma
wot i gotcha gota give it to yo moma
hup down fligga borruwn to mow soma

lyrical genus tbh

lol cause they weren't all fuked in the head when they recorded that song.

i agree that RHCP is overrated for what they do. i still think they make good decent music though. (excluding stadium arcadium)

[Futuro]

oh they werent? wow then they rly do suk at lyricals

[Retarded Chipple]

What happened at Reading?Well....Chad, Flea and John came on stage and just jammed away for a few minutes. Was pretty sweet. Cool improvisation. Then Antony ran on stage, crowd obviously went mental. Then the guys slowly managed to lead the end of the jam into the intro of "Can't Stop." After like the first line, the guitar and vocals cut out completely. Chad and flea carried on by jamming around the song whilst an engineer came on stage and tried to sort out John and Antonys sound. John and Antony looked pretty pissed at the guy and part of the conversation actually came through the mic!

Antony: "what the hell man!? I just bounced in one spot and it cut out. I didn't do anything"

It was sorted out pretty quickly and they all tried to carry on only John and Flea decided to try and start the song over again while Chad and Antony tried to carry on where they left off. It all just fell apart as they they were all at a different part of the song so they all stopped and started from the top. All no more than 3 minutes into the set.

They actually sucked though. Didn't play with much emotion. Well, on behalf of vocals anyway. The power was there but it felt like a bit of a chore...



Video evidence of what I just explained:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A_pwQmcFp2U

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V-MCFm1-3qM

[BassFish]

that was pretty amateurish.. but their only human

[Josiah]

technical difficulties will suck the life outta pretty much any show. can't really blame em for that stuff

[Talos]

You can blame them for the lack of energy though, that's what I hate about live bands.
And they sounded too much like they do in the studio, it wasn't a live sound so to speak.

[Josiah]

technical difficulties will suck the life outta pretty much any show. can't really blame em for that stuff

Did you not read?

Kinda hard to really put a lot of life into a show when crap is breaking and causing issues.

[Talos]

Its not really an excuse though. Stuff like that happens at pretty much every live show, especially at festivals.
The Enter Shikari drummer, Rob, broke the kick drum and their monitors broke.
They managed to recover and theyre not experienced unlike RHCP.

[Retarded Chipple]

Its not really an excuse though. Stuff like that happens at pretty much every live show, especially at festivals.
The Enter Shikari drummer, Rob, broke the kick drum and their monitors broke.
They managed to recover and theyre not experienced unlike RHCP.

But they suck and no one cares. Also, thats less of a problem than the guitar and vocals cutting out completely.



I agree with Josiah. Big faults like the one at Reading where they actually had to start the song again after like 5 minutes on stage can ruin everything and put a downer on your spirits. They'd been touring for 18 freaking months too! Something like that is bound to make you a bit cranky!

[Josiah]

Ooh AND had been touring for 18 months?! Geez ya, give the guys a break. Year and a half on the road, playing the same songs night after night. That'll wear on anyone.

[spirit]

But they suck and no one cares.
:lol:

[Panopticon]

You can blame them for the lack of energy though, that's what I hate about live bands.
And they sounded too much like they do in the studio, it wasn't a live sound so to speak.

You think rhcp doesnt have energy at every other show they play?...lmfao...have you ever seen live at slane castle? Off the map?

Watch those then say that again. I've never seen a more energetic band than the chili peppers. They're stage presence is awesome.

Also, theres nothing wrong with sounding like a studio. That means the levels are good, and the sound is done right. I'd rather have it sound like a studio recording than not be able to hear guitar/bass/vocals/drums/whatever well enough.

[Parradiddle Pete]

Whoever said anthony walked off 10 minutes before the end in a mood needs a kick in the head. Chili Peppers shows ALWAYS end with a jam by the guys, and anthony NEVER stays around for them!

I can understand th band not being best pleased with their set at reading, there were a lot of technical things that went wonr for them, and i still love them.


I'm going to see Chad in november at a clinic with steve white, so I'll try to meet him again and talk to him :p

Thanks josiah for actually giving a good argument in my absence :p

[Retarded Chipple]

Whoever said anthony walked off 10 minutes before the end in a mood needs a kick in the head. Chili Peppers shows ALWAYS end with a jam by the guys, and anthony NEVER stays around for them!

Oh. I didn't know that. All I saw that the band finished on a jam (which I didn't think was the best of ways to end a show) then I heard from people that he'd left early in a pissy :confused:


Have you seen the Dani California performance at Reading? Half way through, Chad adjusts his hat whilst playing. It made me chuckle and I'm not sure why.

Around 01:44.....http://youtube.com/watch?v=Utogyah6cUk


His kit sounded amazing too.

[Vannaroth]

To be honest, Anthony has lacked energy in every performance I've ever seen him give. He just plain sucks at what he does.

[Parradiddle Pete]

I just watched that bit 3 times before realising you meant hat and not hihat, oh the joys of hanging round a drum forum!

Chads drums always sound nice man!

I really love the sound with josh klinghoffer (sp?) the new guitarist. he's one of john's closest friends and i think he really adds to the sound. I love the unison solos in stuff like dani california :)

xx

[Vannaroth]

I just watched that bit 3 times before realising you meant hat and not hihat, oh the joys of hanging round a drum forum!


Ha, same here.

[Parradiddle Pete]

To be honest, Anthony has lacked energy in every performance I've ever seen him give. He just plain sucks at what he does.

Watch these and shut the **** up.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ogt2SnHpksc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4pSLmxBh5cQ

Then if you're not satisfied watch the rest of the off the map DVD.

xx

[A Dead Modernist]

who cares tbh

[spirit]

Have you seen the Dani California performance at Reading? Half way through, Chad adjusts his hat whilst playing. It made me chuckle and I'm not sure why.


I watched that live on BBC3, and I assumed he adjusted his in-ear monitor. I haven't watched the video yet, so I'll edit this post.

[Parradiddle Pete]

I think it is his hat. I think he's thinking he'd rather be thought a fool by touching his hat so it doesn't fall off than have it fall off and remove all doubt!

:)

[Talos]

You think rhcp doesnt have energy at every other show they play?...lmfao...have you ever seen live at slane castle? Off the map?

Watch those then say that again. I've never seen a more energetic band than the chili peppers. They're stage presence is awesome.

Also, theres nothing wrong with sounding like a studio. That means the levels are good, and the sound is done right. I'd rather have it sound like a studio recording than not be able to hear guitar/bass/vocals/drums/whatever well enough.

Well ive seen them play live before and they did have a lot of energy and a good stage presence, but watch this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/readingandleeds/2007/player/livesets/console.shtml?c=redhotchilipeppers
No energy whatsoever and many of the bands who hadnt played many big gigs before had more stage presence then they did. You just dont expect that from professionals who have been on a stadium tour beforehand.
I suppose sounding like you do in the studio says a lot about the recordings but I dunno, it just wasnt very raw.

[Retarded Chipple]

Well ive seen them play live before and they did have a lot of energy and a good stage presence, but watch this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/readingandleeds/2007/player/livesets/console.shtml?c=redhotchilipeppers
No energy whatsoever and many of the bands who hadnt played many big gigs before had more stage presence then they did. You just dont expect that from professionals who have been on a stadium tour beforehand.
I suppose sounding like you do in the studio says a lot about the recordings but I dunno, it just wasnt very raw.

Have you not read the thread!!?? (that rhymes lolz)

They've been on a stadium tour for the passed 18 months!!!


Could you play with the same amount of energy you used to play with when you were 10 years younger and hadn't been playing a show like 4 or more times a week for the passed year and a half!? Doubt it.

Perhaps the reason these smaller bands that hadn't played many big gigs before (if you were referring to Enter Shikari in your post I will hurt you) played with more energy than RHCP is because they weren't freaking knackered!!!

[Talos]

That doesnt matter though, how much rest do they need?
They were the biggest band there, surely they wouldve tried to make a good impression!?
And no there were plenty of bands there that had probably never played to a crowd bigger then a few hundred and they were great.
The Klaxons arent huge and NME gave them the band of the weekend award.
But anyway, im not gonna aruge because its pointless.

[Little Android Man]

Tbh their new album sucked so hardcore they should just quit.

[Electric Requiem]

Bands like that seriously need to suck it up and stop bitching and moaning about long tours and things like that (that is if they were complaining or using that as an excuse).
You've got piles of money and a dream job, playing a few hours a day 4 days a week isn't something to complain about. If you get bored of the set list, change it. If you get bored of all your material write new stuff. And if you don't feel inclined to do that you should either suck it up or simply stop.

[Talos]

Best post in this thread

[Futuro]

electrician remnants for president

[Talos]

im the techer ur student

[Josiah]

That doesnt matter though, how much rest do they need?
They were the biggest band there, surely they wouldve tried to make a good impression!?



Spoken with such heartful and true ignorance.



*shakes head*

[Bonham#1!]

Dont trust that pdf poster, he likes family guy. Not cooo

[Maggot Dream]

Tbh their new album sucked so hardcore they should just quit.

Wow, major truth.


Seriously, they're far beyond their prime. They've become musically stagnant. Songwriting has gone way downhill, musicianship hasn't progressed much more. They're boring now, live or in studio.

[Dyslexic Magician]

Wow, major truth.


Seriously, they're far beyond their prime. They've become musically stagnant. Songwriting has gone way downhill, musicianship hasn't progressed much more. They're boring now, live or in studio.

Sorry, but Stadium Arcadium is a complete work of art. 28 songs all killer, no filler.

And to those who say that RHCP songs are all the same, you are ****ing stupid. Do some god damn research by listening to Freaky Styley, then Blood Sugar Sex Magik, then go put on By the Way and tell me it's all the same.

Really, I've always had the philosophy of not talking about **** unless i know what I'm talking about, I guess other people like to run their mouth like they're experts.

This is truly sad if they are breaking up. The greatest band of the last 20 years.

Bands like that seriously need to suck it up and stop bitching and moaning about long tours and things like that (that is if they were complaining or using that as an excuse).
You've got piles of money and a dream job, playing a few hours a day 4 days a week isn't something to complain about. If you get bored of the set list, change it. If you get bored of all your material write new stuff. And if you don't feel inclined to do that you should either suck it up or simply stop.

Wow.

The most ignorant post in the entire thread. Yes, there are no other variables in why their shows are getting lackluster. They get tons of money and that should equate into them sucking it up? How many bands have broken up because of strife on tours?

You're retarded.

[Maggot Dream]

Sorry, but Stadium Arcadium is a complete work of art. 28 songs all killer, no filler.

I disagree. I do not enjoy the album at all, and I feel the same way about much of their more recent material.


And to those who say that RHCP songs are all the same, you are ****ing stupid. Do some god damn research by listening to Freaky Styley, then Blood Sugar Sex Magik, then go put on By the Way and tell me it's all the same.


I'm pretty sure I said they're "past their prime." This would indicate that they did, in fact, have a 'prime,' which I consider to be the BSSM period. Back when they wrote music that didn't bore the living hell out of me.

Really, I've always had the philosophy of not talking about **** unless i know what I'm talking about, I guess other people like to run their mouth like they're experts.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. Talking ****. In a thread apparently devoted to discussion on a band, or at least whether or not they're breaking up. I even insulted them personally, by claiming that each and every member of the band was a talentless hack.

I did, seriously.

By the way, I have all of their albums.

Thanks for your time.

[Josiah]

I'm pretty sure I said they're "past their prime." This would indicate that they did, in fact, have a 'prime,' which I consider to be the BSSM period. Back when they wrote music that didn't bore the living hell out of me.



Why does it have to be about you?

[Maggot Dream]

...Because I'm justifying why I believe they're past their prime?


Notice that I also included the words "which I consider."

Again, this whole opinion thing should really be self-evident, because, as you may have noticed, it was I who actually wrote that post.

[Talos]

...Because I'm justifying why I believe they're past their prime?


Notice that I also included the words "which I consider."

Again, this whole opinion thing should really be self-evident, because, as you may have noticed, it was I who actually wrote that post.

You dont need to explain yourself to Josiah, hes here to start an arguement, like usual.

[Parradiddle Pete]

Bands like that seriously need to suck it up and stop bitching and moaning about long tours and things like that (that is if they were complaining or using that as an excuse).
You've got piles of money and a dream job, playing a few hours a day 4 days a week isn't something to complain about. If you get bored of the set list, change it. If you get bored of all your material write new stuff. And if you don't feel inclined to do that you should either suck it up or simply stop.

Dude. Do you have any idea what effort a band has to go to to put on each show?

The guys have to schedule their whole lives around the 1 show in the evening of that day. They have to eat a certain amount of time before the show, they have to warm up, decide on songs to play not to mention the traveling those guys do! They can play a show, get off stage get in the bus then get back off the bus with 3 hours until they go on stage again!

Seriously, i dont think anybody is in the position to diss the chilis for being tired, or any big superband like them.

This needs to end here guys, the arguments are getting poorer, and we're starting to move away from the already off topic topic!

[GhostNote]

Sorry, but Stadium Arcadium is a complete work of art. 28 songs all killer, no filler.

That's completely subjective to opinion, disagreeing with someone in such a condescending way is less than mature. I mean, you're complaining about people "running their mouths" when you're arguing in the same fashion; ie. "And to those who say that RHCP songs are all the same, you are ****ing stupid." Is that not running your mouth off at someone's opinion? :rolleyes:


This is truly sad if they are breaking up. The greatest band of the last 20 years.

Again, subjective to opinion. How can you even generalize like that? You're saying that RHCP are The Greatest band of the last 20 years, failing to take into account any other genre that could've been more influential or important to popular music's development.


-GN

[Parradiddle Pete]

GN, you're hte only person to have posted in this thread to have not really made your opinion clear 1 way or the other, i like it :)

xx

[maniac0796]

If you're going by record sales, then chilli's are no where near the greatest band in last 20 years.

If you're going off influence, again, no where near.

Your opinion though is valid, but you must state that it's yours.

Californication sold a mere 15 million records next to Michael Jacksons thriller that sold 100 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

[GhostNote]

GN, you're hte only person to have posted in this thread to have not really made your opinion clear 1 way or the other, i like it :)

xx

Yeah, I like it also! Haha.


-GN

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I hope they're not. I'm not too cool to admit to very much liking what I think is one of the most consistently good bands of modern times and a damn sight better than most other bands.

They have managed to not get stuck in that old hole of producing the same thing over and over again to please the old "true" fans, as so many other bands have. All their albums are different (obviously) but I don't think that's got anything to do with selling out, I just think they're older now and don't feel like making frenetic songs the whole time.

Best albums (not in exact order):

BloodSugarSexMagik (obv. the best)
By The Way
Californication
Uplift Mofo Party Plan
Freaky Styley

The other ones are good but more varied IMO.

Not sure this is what you're all talking about.... but, well, you need to know anyway!

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

If you're going by record sales, then chilli's are no where near the greatest band in last 20 years.

If you're going off influence, again, no where near.


RCHP have, I would say, had a huge influence on musicians, it's just that it takes 15 years and more for that to start to show. e.g. I listen to their albums in the 90s and for me to make music that is fully developed it could take until the 2010s.

Record sales aren't a very good guide, as record sales have increased and decreased in line with overall consumer spending and disposable income, but in recent times (since early 90s largely but also since earlier) record sales of any artist have by and large been lower than in previous eras. Also, figures are only meaningful if put in context with other bands, e.g. if there is one artist that is in a position such that there is little competition for record sales then they will sell more than if there are multiple 'good' artists, i.e. MJ was not only something revolutionary (IMO) and different to what came before but also lacked any real competition for people's money, whereas rock and funk had both been done before so the chilis lacked the revolutionary aspect to their music which has little or nothing to do with subjective quality of said music and also the late 90s had many good bands either established or rapidly emerging.

Just my 2 cents on this

[SylentEcho]

I hope the same happens to you

:angry::angry::(:(

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Dude. Do you have any idea what effort a band has to go to to put on each show?


Quoted for truth. Touring is hard work, no question. Being paid loads for it or enjoying playing doesn't make the physical doing of it easier. The former is a nice thing to have if you can, and the latter is merely what makes playing a tour possible - for any band. I've seen them live recently (well, past few years), and also doing live shows that have been very good and full of energy.

TBH bands like the klaxons seem to make up for their lack of musicianship with jumping about on stage in a rather contrived manner; I would much rather they just got really into their music than doing stupid dances etc..


Anyway, I'll try to sum up the thread:

A lot of people like RHCP and would be sad to see them go.
Quite a few don't like their new stuff, which is fair enough, it is opinion after all (even if they're wrong :p), and wouldn't care if they split up. Either way, Chad Smith is a beast of a drummer IMO (although I'm sure [insert MX's favourite superpro of the moment] could play more bpm than him).

Anyway, if you are going to refer to a band's musicality or perceived lack thereof at least refer to some specific elements or example or it just gets into an abstract emotive battle of opinions. i.e. say something real and constructive or just don't :p

[Electric Requiem]

Wow.

The most ignorant post in the entire thread. Yes, there are no other variables in why their shows are getting lackluster. They get tons of money and that should equate into them sucking it up? How many bands have broken up because of strife on tours?

You're retarded.

Well for one thing I said "that is if they were complaining or using that as an excuse." So that pretty much nullifies your post. About bands breaking up because of strife on tours, I do believe that I suggested simply stopping, which could take the form of breaking up, over performing lackluster shows.

To Pete: I feel a hell of a lot more sympathy for someone working as a cashier in a grocery store than I do for someone making millions of dollars doing something they enjoy (and if they don't enjoy it, take the suggestions I made earlier, either make it enjoyable or stop doing it).

So back on topic, if they are breaking up because of not being able to perform as well or enjoy it as much for whatever reason, good for them. It is much better for any artist to stop while they are still making excellent material and performing well than to produce tired, rehashed material and unenergetic shows.

[Josiah]

Well if I was in a band, that was that famous and I could be rich touring around playing my music. Then I do believe I would. Even if I didn't sell as much as I did in my 'prime' or other world famous musicians. RHCP are still a very internationally famous band.

So can't really blame em for doing their thing.

You dont need to explain yourself to Josiah, hes here to start an arguement, like usual.

No, you are. STFU and peep the 5 pages of posts not from me douche.

[Electric Requiem]

Well if I was in a band, that was that famous and I could be rich touring around playing my music. Then I do believe I would. Even if I didn't sell as much as I did in my 'prime' or other world famous musicians. RHCP are still a very internationally famous band.

So can't really blame em for doing their thing.


Not sure if that was directed at me, but I was trying to say that if they aren't enjoying what they're doing then they should stop. If they enjoy it they should keep going as long as they want.

[Josiah]

Just in general.

But gotta expect if you are playing 300 shows a year, to have a bad few.. or even a bad week.

[Electric Requiem]

That is entirely reasonable.

[A Dead Modernist]

Sorry, but Stadium Arcadium is a complete work of art. 28 songs all killer, no filler.

And to those who say that RHCP songs are all the same, you are ****ing stupid. Do some god damn research by listening to Freaky Styley, then Blood Sugar Sex Magik, then go put on By the Way and tell me it's all the same.

Really, I've always had the philosophy of not talking about **** unless i know what I'm talking about, I guess other people like to run their mouth like they're experts.

This is truly sad if they are breaking up. The greatest band of the last 20 years.



Wow.

The most ignorant post in the entire thread. Yes, there are no other variables in why their shows are getting lackluster. They get tons of money and that should equate into them sucking it up? How many bands have broken up because of strife on tours?

You're retarded.

:lol: this guy can't be serious

[spirit]

:lol: this guy can't be serious

I have to say, I'm not sure about SA being a work of art. I've listened to it, and it's pretty good. That said, it's not the best. Work of art is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but what are ya gonna do?

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I have to say, I'm not sure about SA being a work of art. I've listened to it, and it's pretty good. That said, it's not the best. Work of art is a bit of a stretch in my opinion, but what are ya gonna do?

It is a work of art definitely, but that doesn't mean you have to think it's amazing. A lot of people didn't like / don't like Picasso's paintings but that doesn't make them not works of art, if you get what I mean. Personally I like it, but that's not the point.

[spirit]

It is a work of art definitely, but that doesn't mean you have to think it's amazing. A lot of people didn't like / don't like Picasso's paintings but that doesn't make them not works of art, if you get what I mean. Personally I like it, but that's not the point.

How annoying it is to run into someone like me.

Yes, OK, it is technically a work of art, as music is an art form. I get the feeling you knew exactly what I meant. In fact, not what I meant, but what whoever it was I quoted meant. Stop being annoying, that's my bit.

[Electric Requiem]

Some definitions of art would not include something so commercial.
I would consider music more of a medium than an art form.

[Black_Serenade]

and all the metal heads come in and start bashing a certain band while they still come back with things like "Oh man, metal IS music, who cares if you don't like it?" etc.


ha what an a sshole

[double stroke roller]

All I know is that Chad Smith was voted best funk drummer for many years in the U.S. drum mags.

[Parradiddle Pete]

That's cause he is :)

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Some definitions of art would not include something so commercial.
I would consider music more of a medium than an art form.

Being commercial or not had nothing to do with the quality of music, or its status as a work of art of not. How would making a load of money from something make it more or less 'arty'? Music is a medium through which one expresses oneself and so perhaps it is an art form. Or maybe it is just a medium through which art is expressed. This w'ould bring us onto the question of: what is art? ... Let's not go there... Perhaps if music is done according to a formula or is highly derivitive (in a direct sense, rather than in the sense of sounding a bit like) that makes it less of an art? Who knows?

And Spirit, yes I do know what you mean; what you consider a work of art or not is subjective, and therefore is not really separable from the rest of your opinion of the album. I do sort of agree with you though. In terms of art nothing can compare to Beethoven, IMO, but nonetheless I do think it is a work of art. Of course, calling it such a thing has connotations of its being somehow deeper or whatever, so in that sense you are probably right. Sorry for being a bit of an as$hole man :(

[Aaron]

Have you not read the thread!!?? (that rhymes lolz)

They've been on a stadium tour for the passed 18 months!!!


Could you play with the same amount of energy you used to play with when you were 10 years younger and hadn't been playing a show like 4 or more times a week for the passed year and a half!? Doubt it.

Perhaps the reason these smaller bands that hadn't played many big gigs before (if you were referring to Enter Shikari in your post I will hurt you) played with more energy than RHCP is because they weren't freaking knackered!!!
It's their job. I've been working for 3 years straight doing 50 hours a week with 4 weeks break in those 3 years, but I still do my job? Sure it's a creative job, but they're being paid to perform. They've been playing for 15 or more years, i'd expect them to be able to do their job by now.

[Parradiddle Pete]

They've been together for over 23 years now i think.

But, they're not robots, they can be forgiven some off nights.

[Aaron]

Why? Unless it is out of their hands i'd expect 100% for the amount they're being paid per show. I can't justify having "bad days" in my job, why should they?

[GhostNote]

That's completely unrealistic though. You can't say that they should be perfect every show, because in every line of work there will be good days and bad, as a result of the individual's mood or mindset, people are allowed to not feel 100%. Money is a point of interest, but just because they get paid that amount, doesn't mean they enjoy it after doing it for 18 months, and don't say 'varying the setlist' because when you bring out a new album, you promote it by playing mainly from that album.
Expecting perfection all the time is setting your goals too high.


-GN

[mattsmith]

You guys are right. You can't expect a name band to live up to the highest possible standard every night, especially in light of how many of them attained their undeliverable high level due to studio magic. But Aaron's right. There is a limit to how low we should expect. And in the case of some of these guys it's not just a bad night, it's a crash and burn with attitude (remember Guns n Roses etc...).

Let's also remember that when most of these guys tour it's between breaks of a year or more, and not even close to every night. A one year tour of over 100 dates is extremely rare. Big acts don't tour 300 times a year or you wouldn't be able to read the names of the cities on the back of the tour t-shirt, and such an agreement would never survive the band meeting at the booking agency.

Compare this to those big name 1930s swing bands that barnstormed America 51 weeks a year under the worst possible conditions, and seldom didn't kick butt (or they were left on the side of the road). In fact Duke Ellington and Count Basie did this for over 40 years continuously. Then there's The Grateful Dead, who actually did play over 300 gigs a year for decades and seldom deviated the quality.

Yeah, high expectations should be entirely expected every night and people know that isn't always going to happen. But they are still required to try, even when they're bummed about bad tech. They're supposed to get over that and do the best with a bad situation. But most often that doesn't occur.