You decide

[ant_182]

Ok guys. You decide what I should get. I love all three of these cymbals!! But I'm not sure what to get. Prices are roughly the same:

19" Paiste 2002 crash
17" Paiste 2002 crash
17" Zildjian A Custom crash :)

Also new heads for recording. I'm still having problems (although I am yet to tune the floor toms as I like them due to time) I am thinking about buying new heads for the 12" and 16" because the coating is starting to come off. I have a basically new coated emp on the 15" floor tom. What would you guys do? Get new emps for the two toms, or getting different heads for all of them? Please help

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Either one of the paiste's IMO.

They both rock

[stylers_new_account]

19" 100% for the win!

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I'd say get an even number crash. They sound more mellow IMO. and generaly nicer. not that theres anything wrong with odd numbered ones

And now theres a poll i say other and get and 18"/20" 2002 crash

[ant_182]

Oh, btw cymbal specs are as:

14" A Custom mastersounds./.14" A Mastersounds
18" K Dark Med Thin Crash
18" K Dark Thin Crash
19" Z Custom Med. Crash (on ebay being sold)
18" Oriental China Trash
21" A Sweet Ride
8" A Custom Splash

Thanks for the input so far

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Go for maybe a 16" or a 20" then or both.

[Retarded Chipple]

I'd go for a 19" or 20" Paiste 2002 crash to replace the Z Custom Med.

Those 2002 crashes are sweet...real clean and smooth sounding...

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah 2002's are fantastic

[ant_182]

what about the heads?

[Little Android Man]

WTF GET THE 17" A CUSTOM!!11!!1

Then you can join me and fishy in our 17" A Custom club :)

[ant_182]

^^ I voted for it :p I wana be in a club!

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Heads. Personally G2's all round

[ant_182]

coated emps then?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Well its up to you. I prefer clear so I PERSONALLY would say replace them all. but its you and your kits so the choice is really yours and if you like coated emps then go for it

[ant_182]

Well its up to you. I prefer clear so I PERSONALLY would say replace them all. but its you and your kits so the choice is really yours and if you like coated emps then go for it

Yeh, I prefer the warmth of clear. I wish I knew we were recording before I just spent money on pointless stuff lol

[TerranCmdr]

A Customs are beautiful, especially the 17".

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

They not tell you???

My band does stuff like that.

walk into the practice room
'hey oliv'
'hey'
'oh yeah we're recording today'
'do'h'

[Little Android Man]

^^ I voted for it :p I wana be in a club!

It is an amazing cymbal really :)

[ant_182]

I've heard it! ^^^ I love it :D

oliv, yeh it was kind of like that, but it was after i bought drum gear and stuff. Its next month, so I have time to save !!! But expect aweful audio soon lol

[Retarded Chipple]

Yeh, I prefer the warmth of clear. I wish I knew we were recording before I just spent money on pointless stuff lol

If I'm not mistaken, coated are more warm.

Clear have more attack...they make a bit more of a define slap which is what I prefer for recording...

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

They do chip

[ant_182]

If I'm not mistaken, coated are more warm.

Clear have more attack...they make a bit more of a define slap which is what I prefer for recording...

Yeh, you're right! lol. I mis-typed.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

So to conclude. ANY 2002 CYMBAL.

And some more coated emps

[ant_182]

Ok.... lol. But why not the A Custom? lol

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Because I dislike them. So I wouldn't vote for them. However, I LOVE 2002's so yeah

[Retarded Chipple]

I got to quickly try a full set of 2002's at a gig the other day...

...wasn't THAT impressed.

Played:

14" Sound edges
16" Crash
18" Crash
22" Ride
18" Nova China...

The crashes and china were pretty sweet...the ride and hats were not quite to my liking...

I always thought the 2002 Sound Edge hats we like my dream hats judging by the soundclips on the website...but they weren't quite what I thought they'd be like in real life :upset:

Don't get me wrong, they were nice but could do with some brighter tones in there...


anyway, rant over....you can't really go wrong with the crashes. They felt very nice to play!

[dairyairman]

i played on a borrowed kit at a gig a few weeks ago with a full set of A customs and i was *very* impressed.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Well i've got the 15" Crash and 24" Ride and love them both and intend to get more. (couple of crashes and a par of 15" soundedge)


And to dairy I did that a while back with a military band. And did not like them, except the projection hats

[dairyairman]

i thought they sounded very smooth and brilliant.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Not my thing

[Bonham#1!]

Im not a fan of 19" crashes, nor Zildjian.

17" Paiste

[Mr Pink]

I own both of the 17" cymbals in question, as well as a K, K Custom Dark. Sig Power Crash, and Dimension crash. The 2002 crash is the one I would save from Travis B playing it.

[Bonham#1!]

lulz

[innerlo2]

The A custom is going to sound different, every one of them does. So what you are asking there is for someone to blindly pick a sound for you.

If you have heard a 2002, then you have heard all of them of that type. They are the most consistent sounding cymbals on the market.

Also, your list of currently owned cymbals leads me to believe your not sure what sounds you want. K custom THIN crashes mixed with a Z custom... very different styles of music applications.

Go to the store, try out a few 17'' A customs and you'll know what I'm saying though. Lots of variety. I've used about everything over the years now, in the end I stuck with Paiste. I know that if a cymbal cracks or gets stolen I can replace it with almost the exact same sound. Somehow that comforts me..:smoke:

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I own both of the 17" cymbals in question, as well as a K, K Custom Dark. Sig Power Crash, and Dimension crash. The 2002 crash is the one I would save from Travis B playing it.

He knows his stuff

[maniac0796]

Well its up to you. I prefer clear so I PERSONALLY would say replace them all. but its you and your kits so the choice is really yours and if you like coated emps then go for it

Even if he gets a coated emporer, it's gonna be clear by the end of the week.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

lol.

I don't know I use even's so I use good heads

[Retarded Chipple]

Even if he gets a coated emporer, it's gonna be clear by the end of the week.

Only someone who 100% suck could chip a coated head in a week...


its the sh!t player, not the brand.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

True. But I still don't know coz I use even's lol

[maniac0796]

Hehe, remo head chip easily.

I remember playing a BP back a while, and it had a brand spanking new Remo ambassador on it, and by the time I'd finished messing around with it (10 minutes), it was already wearing out in the middle.

Do remo texture their coating (does it feel rough) or do they do it smooth?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah they are textured

[Retarded Chipple]

Hehe, remo head chip easily.

I remember playing a BP back a while, and it had a brand spanking new Remo ambassador on it, and by the time I'd finished messing around with it (10 minutes), it was already wearing out in the middle.

Do remo texture their coating (does it feel rough) or do they do it smooth?


Texture...


I've had my coated ambassador on my snare for a year now (I should change it but it still sounds so damn good!)

It's only just starting to chip in the middle after excessive gigging and practicing....


...now a year is a little longer than a week. 52 times as long I think...


I suggest you go read my last comment and think it over.

[santi3hg]

19"inch deff.

[maniac0796]

So you're saying I'm a terrible drummer because Remo, and only Remo head coating chips on me?

[theflame85]

I think you'll find a 19" 2002 would sound quite magnificent.

[Talos]

I voted for the 19" but then when I read your specs I think maybe a 17" would be suited better to your collection.

Oh and Mike, Remo Coated are textured but Smooth Coated are smooth.

[Retarded Chipple]

I own both of the 17" cymbals in question, as well as a K, K Custom Dark. Sig Power Crash, and Dimension crash. The 2002 crash is the one I would save from Travis B playing it.

Is that because you fear Travis would lose his Zildjian endorsement if you let him play the 2002?


So you're saying I'm a terrible drummer because Remo, and only Remo head coating chips on me?

I wouldn't say terrible....

but it does raise a few questions when some people can have a head last for years and some no more than a week...

[ant_182]

Cool, I might get the paise for now then. Just unsure of the size, I will definately get the 17" A Custom when I have the funds! Thanks guys, I might as well get some coated emps too lol

[maniac0796]

I wouldn't say terrible....

but it does raise a few questions when some people can have a head last for years and some no more than a week...

So, basically, what you're saying is, that if your consumables last for a short time, then you're a bad player.


My personal experience with Remo heads, has given me this view:

They are abso****inglutly ****.

The only good thing about them is the boxes.

But I dunno. I'm a bad player aren't I so what does my opinion count?

[moogoogaipan]

17" A Custom

The choice is obvious. The A Custom line was essentially designed for ****ing Vinnie Colauita...

and the 2002 sound like ****. I've played tons in various stores and I've always asked myself "Why the **** do people like that sound".

[innerlo2]

Alright mr other knoxville guy. Let's not start trashing cymbal brands, or at least let's not start trashing one of my favorites. You are obviously a jazz guy, the 2002's are not jazz cymbals. Try and get a K custom dark crash to cut over a half stack of dirty guitars :P

[Talos]

17" A Custom

The choice is obvious. The A Custom line was essentially designed for ****ing Vinnie Colauita...

and the 2002 sound like ****. I've played tons in various stores and I've always asked myself "Why the **** do people like that sound".

I think that about the Zildjian K cymbals as well, its all personal opinion.
But the thing is, youre forcing your opinion onto someone else, not saying, I personally dont like them but they might be great for the kinda thing you play or whatever.

[moogoogaipan]

I think that about the Zildjian K cymbals as well, its all personal opinion.
But the thing is, youre forcing your opinion onto someone else, not saying, I personally dont like them but they might be great for the kinda thing you play or whatever.

I agree with you about the K's for the most part.

I'm not trashing a genre-relation cymbal.
I base my opinion of a cymbal off of the way it sounds by itself.

Sure, it's opinion...

[innerlo2]

Meh, You obviously like really dry, dark toned cymbals. (judging from your recent ride) where as everything the guy is asking about are quite bright in character.

Per your comment, the choice is not that obvious for him. Or he would not have asked. Right?

I still don't get the k custom dark thin crashes with the Z custom and such, and he has yet to respond as to what musical application this next purchase would be for.

[moogoogaipan]

well.. the main reason for my answer of the 17" A custom is this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/moogoogaipan/DSCF0025.jpg

[the_pure_drummer]

Nice kit man!!

[moogoogaipan]

hehe, thanks. It's my baby.

but, notice the 17" A Custom crash. It's phenomenal, I use it for rock all the time. It's wonderfully powerful, but it has enough shimmer that you can play soft dynamic touches on it and it'll project.

[innerlo2]

Ok.. My reason for being defensive on the 2002 :P
http://a902.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_d89cf4ac7da5dc8ccc703afdbbbef8c5.jpg

Not a pretty overhead, but then I only get pics from other people. I don't own a digi camera =)

[moogoogaipan]

well, I'm sure you probably got one that sounds good.

Two entities of the exact same make and model can sound different. The one's I've played have probably just not been the greatest sounding.
i.e. Every K cymbal in Guitar Center sounds like ****ing balls. Even the Constantinople's in there aren't up to par.

So there's probably an equal number of bad sounding 2002's and I've only managed to play those.

[Little Android Man]

Meh, You obviously like really dry, dark toned cymbals. (judging from your recent ride) where as everything the guy is asking about are quite bright in character.

Per your comment, the choice is not that obvious for him. Or he would not have asked. Right?

I still don't get the k custom dark thin crashes with the Z custom and such, and he has yet to respond as to what musical application this next purchase would be for.

Well i do believe he bought the Z custom a while ago before he knew what he was doing, and is now trying to sell it.

[Talos]

Z Customs arent too bad, the one I have is probably the best crash ive heard [for metal] excluding Meinl Byzances :lol:

[Little Android Man]

Well it all Depends on different factors. The store i go to had 2 17" Z Customs out, and I was surprised that one actually sounded pretty good.
The other sounded worse that a garbage can lid.

But yeah, for metal. That is the genre they were designed for.

[Talos]

Mines 18", I love it tbh.
Much better then my Sabian 19" AAX Metal Crash

[Matter]

I'd go for the 17" 2002, cuase with your current cymbal specs the 19" 2002 will over power them me thinks.

[drummguy731]

A Custom or K Hybrid(19" for the Hybrid).

[maniac0796]

19" k hybrid is £200....

[ant_182]

Well i do believe he bought the Z custom a while ago before he knew what he was doing, and is now trying to sell it.

This is correct. I wont denny I liked, and still do to some extent, the sound. But Z Customs and K's dont mix well! Anyway, thanks for all the input guys, I might just see what is cheaper for now :) I'm leaning towards the A Custom Currently

I was thinking K Hybrid, but I cannot afford one at this time!

Thanks for the input

[Plan B.]

Why not try an 18" 2oo2 if you can't decide between those two sizes.

[ant_182]

^^ I have tried the 18" 2002. I liked it but prefered the 17" and 19"(only heard sound clips of the 19")

Anyone know where the cheapest place for a 17" A Custom? Rockfactory.com is sold out! :(

[dairyairman]

did you check massmusic.net?

edit: oh yeah, you're in england

[ant_182]

^ Dont make me cry ^ :(

[Doublebasssabian]

17" ftw. I love that cymbal plus the appeal of having alll zildjians is very great lol.

[ant_182]

I've decided to go for the A Custom. 17" Currently looking for a cheap one! Thanks for the input. I'll deff./ want to get a paiste 2002 though

Thanks :)

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

then get one fool

[Mr Pink]

Is that because you fear Travis would lose his Zildjian endorsement if you let him play the 2002?






Exactly...someone has to look out for the tatoo love circus. I also think he would somehow manage to give that cymbal an STD.

[Aaron]

18" A Custom EFX

[ant_182]

18" A Custom EFX

I Really want to try one of these! They;re real expensive though :(

[Doublebasssabian]

I Really want to try one of these! They;re real expensive though :(

I prefer the O-Zones tbh. Seem trashier, which is kinda the point of them. But I would go and try them out if I was you, just to play around with them.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

O-zones are fantasic

[Doublebasssabian]

O-zones are fantasic

Do you have one? I was thinking bout not bothering with a china, and just going for a couple of O-Zones. Good plan in your opinion?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

That's what i'm doing. I think they're fantastic and worth a look. I have the 18" HHX one but i'm lookin into the 20" one also.

[Doublebasssabian]

That's what i'm doing. I think they're fantastic and worth a look. I have the 18" HHX one but i'm lookin into the 20" one also.

The HHX is the one I'm looking at. Does it sound anything like the Sabian sound clips?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yes. But it's more harsh in real life. like its more powerful and trashy

[Doublebasssabian]

Yes. But it's more harsh in real life. like its more powerful and trashy

Excellent lol. Just what I wanted.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I'd get some sound clips for you but i can't for a while

[Doublebasssabian]

I'd get some sound clips for you but i can't for a while

Don't worry about it. The pain in the *** is that it's a 4 hour drive to the nearest drumstore.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Damn. Theres one not too far from me stocks loads of the o-zone stuff. Includein the new AAX O-zone splashes.


Tastey

[Aaron]

A-C EFX is like an ozone except with more crash qualities. That's why i like it better.

[fastlane]

i like the sound of the 17" a custom myself. i dont have experience with the paiste though. the 18" a custom sounds yuck to me @_@ but the 16" a custom crash i got i love.

[Little Android Man]

i like the sound of the 17" a custom myself. i dont have experience with the paiste though. the 18" a custom sounds yuck to me @_@ but the 16" a custom crash i got i love.

Yeah the 18" does not appeal to me either.

And 17" >>>>>> 16"

[Zildjian]

^^ I cant believe those few post above.... man I love my 18" AC crash. I like it more then my hybrid

[Little Android Man]

The one i tried at GC was really bad, and then i checked the Zildjian sound clips to see if it was just a bad one, and the sound clip was even worse =/

But I'm sure you got a good one.

[ant_182]

I tried the 18" A Custom, and the a custom projection. Didnt like either, the 17" ws Godly to me!

[maniac0796]

I might buy another 18" crash, and a 16.

Use the 18" to replace my 302, and use it as a ride accent, and put the 16" in the middle, and use it has an accent for both ride and hi hat.

[Doublebasssabian]

Damn. Theres one not too far from me stocks loads of the o-zone stuff. Includein the new AAX O-zone splashes.


Tastey

OMG tried one yet?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Oh yeah. damn fine. Am gettin both at some point I LOVE em

[Doublebasssabian]

Oh yeah. damn fine. Am gettin both at some point I LOVE em

Mini china like? They look so good.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Aye nice lil trashy splashes

[Doublebasssabian]

Grrrr. They are now my new No.1 need to get. Screw a new china. O-Zone everything.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Lol. O-zones aint a replacement for chinas, Just sound damn fine

[Doublebasssabian]

I kno. But since i was going to get an O-Zone instead of a china, I may as well the cheaper O-Zone first.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah man. I'm gonna be gettin the 20" and the 10" and 12" gonna be rollin in O-zones

[Talos]

So back on topic
I like cymbals :)

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

We are on topic. Ish

[Doublebasssabian]

Yeah man. I'm gonna be gettin the 20" and the 10" and 12" gonna be rollin in O-zones

I reken 18" and 12" would do me lol. Plus a nice Paragon and Max splash.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Swish. Well i've got the 18" at the moment and I LOVE the 2 splashes and couldn't decide between the 2 so.

And I liked the 20" too so yeah

[Doublebasssabian]

Swish. Well i've got the 18" at the moment and I LOVE the 2 splashes and couldn't decide between the 2 so.

And I liked the 20" too so yeah

LOL. O-Zone heaven. We are on topic :-s. In a vague way. Sorry Plasma

*looks ashamed*

[Talos]

Its ok.

Continue...

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

O-zone goodness.

If you want more O-zone info off me DBS add me

david_oliver102@hotmail.com

[Doublebasssabian]

O-zone goodness.

If you want more O-zone info off me DBS add me

david_oliver102@hotmail.com

cheers mate. send me a couple of pics when you've got them.

e-mail is drummerskickass_3@hotmail.com

I was 13, ok? lol

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

no not ok
lol

Added

[Doublebasssabian]

no not ok
lol

Added

Sweet. I look forward to many O-Zone and Sabian related convos lol.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

indeed, Are you on coz i got some pics if you want

[Doublebasssabian]

indeed, Are you on coz i got some pics if you want

nah, my msn is screwing up tonight

:-(

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

sucks

[Doublebasssabian]

sucks

Yup.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Pics up in new thread just for you

[Talos]

Can you post the pics directly into your post. I cba to click all the links and that.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

nah i don't know how to resize em

[Talos]

Fair enough, ill just go outta my way *sigh*
:p

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

You love me tho so its ok lol