Birthday Shiznat (2oo2 Heavy Ride biotches) ( + Audio)

[fishbulb]

Since my birthday was on the 19th, i am now 17 and got just a few drum goodies that i have been enjoying for the past couple days.

First, i have some audio of me playing. I am pretty surprised by how it sounds since i basically set up the microphones and it sounded like this. I'll try my hand at a little EQ/reverb/compression possibly, but for now, this is what i have. Didn't play anything in particular, just went around the kit to see how it sounded. Also: The middle to end is when i use my mallets on cymbals, pretty boring, but whatever.

http://www.davidzych.com/marc/drums.mp3

Note: It is pretty quiet, sorry.

Recording equipment:

Phonic Helix 16 Input Mixer (firewire output)
MXL fox on snare
Nady Starpower on bass
Nady Starpower on right overhead
Audio Spectrum on left overhead

All of these microphones are horrible and that's partly why i was amazed it sounded that great.

Onto the drums:

Drums: PDP MX 5-Piece in Emerald Fade
22x18 Bass drum
14x5.5 snare drum
10, 12, 14 toms
Porkpie 14x6 Piglite clear acryllic snare

Cymbals: 14" Sabian Vault Hi-Hats
17" Zildjian A Custom Crash
14" Sabian B8 Crash
16" Sabian B8 Crash
8" Sabian B8 Splash
20" Paiste 2oo2 Heavy Ride

Hardware:
PDP 2-legged hi-hat stand
PDP double pedal
DW5000 Snare drum stand
Tama Roadpro Boom stand
Pearl (not sure of model) straight cymbal stand
PDP boom stand
CB Throne

Sticks
Dave Weckl Signatures
VIC Firth Mallets
Steve Gadd Signature Brushes
Steward Copeland Signatures
VIC Firth 7A Hickory
Vater 7A Manhattan Hickory

http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/behind.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/behindclose.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/behindside.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/front.jpg

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http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/frontright.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/frontside.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/side.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/hats.jpg

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http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/acustom.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/heavyride.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/cymbals.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/cymbalsleft.jpg

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http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/cymbalsright.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/hrtop.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/hrtopside.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/hrbottom.jpg

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http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/studio.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/sticks.jpg
http://www.davidzych.com/marc/heavyride/daveamp.jpg


DONE

[Berk]

Sex man.

Looks REALLY good. Sounds awesome too.

Tbh, you should take the logos of your B8's.

[fishbulb]

Haha, i'll pass.

Thanks for the kind words.

[Berk]

I'd ditch the 14" crash and use your old ride as a crash.

[fishbulb]

Wow, that is a really interesting idea. I might consider doing something like that.

I doubt that shitty CB stand that has the 14" crash on it now can support the ride though.

[Berk]

Put the 16" crash where the 14" is, and put mount the ride where the 16" crash is.

unless you like your 14" crash. I know I hate mine.

[CasB]

For the last time, it's a 2002, not a 2oo2...

[fishbulb]

Although it is typed out as "2002", the size of the zeros make them look like "o"s as shown in this picture:

http://www.drumfarm.com/pai20r2002109.jpg

So although it really is 2002 (two thousand two), 2oo2 looks closer to the label.

[CasB]

So quit typing 2oo2, so others will also type it good the next time.

It really irritates me.

[Retarded Chipple]

Yay, we is ride brothers!!!!


Sweet stuff dude, how much do you love that baby!?




I swear mine has a brighter stick sound....could just be the fact I'm comparing real life to a recording...?


How long you been playing dude?

[Drum Phil]

Noice fishy. That ride sounds like pr0n.

[gimp fest]

lovely stuff that is.
one of the rides i'm seriously considering.
i too thought it was more stick defined in the shop.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

mmmmmmm sexy 2002 goodness

[ringworm]

It really irritates me.

2oo2 :p



nice set-up fishy, love the fade

[fishbulb]

Yay, we is ride brothers!!!!


Sweet stuff dude, how much do you love that baby!?




I swear mine has a brighter stick sound....could just be the fact I'm comparing real life to a recording...?


How long you been playing dude?

It is a little different than i expected because the soundclips don't show all of the built up overtones when playing on it. The amazing part is that no matter what you play around the kit with the ride, the ping always cuts through. It's really cool.

Also: 3 years and a month. Started out with a CB kit with CB cymbals (shite) and slowly worked myself up to this.

lovely stuff that is.
one of the rides i'm seriously considering.
i too thought it was more stick defined in the shop.

It is an amazing ride, i highly recommend it. It is definitely different from the sound clips. It's more complex than you would think which is good because a monotonous ping without much character would be pretty boring, but this has really nice overtones.

Thanks to everybody else, too.


Anybody listen to the audio? I'm really curious to see how you guys think of it, especially the more recording savvy people such as Seafroggys and Chippy.

[Drum Phil]

I listened to the Audio. I dig it.

[CasB]

2oo2 :p



nice set-up fishy, love the fade

:( ;)

[the_pure_drummer]

hot man!

[Static]

Nice 2oo2. Is that your brother playing guitar?

[fishbulb]

Nice 2oo2. Is that your brother playing guitar?

Yeah it is. He looks like such a badass, right?


Also: Did anybody listen to my recording? I'll have to send Chippy/Seafroggys this way then.

[Doublebasssabian]

That sounded great!!! Especially that ride. Really nice drums as well, bet you're thanking drummguy everyday lol.

[fishbulb]

That sounded great!!! Especially that ride. Really nice drums as well, bet you're thanking drummguy everyday lol.

Thanks. And i definitely am grateful that drummguy is a member here.

[Doublebasssabian]

I can imagine lol. Seriously they look awesome. What are you getting next? new crash?

[fishbulb]

Hmm, i hadn't thought about that yet.

Maybe a splash or a china. I don't know, we'll see.

[Chippy569]

ok ok ok fine. i'm just listening and spitting thoughts here:
1. tune your snare in such a way that you get less sympathetic vibes from the toms. (or at least try).
2. Your overheads sound like dynamic mics. Oh wait, they are! ;) lol, but seriously, they're extremely mid-heavy with no real high end sparkle from your cymbals. Speaking of which, the last crash in the very beginning has a low low "hummmmm," which means it's either got a crack or your mic is waaay too close. I can't tell which one it is and the pics aren't helping me. However, i have a sneaking suspicion your snare mic is a super-cardioid, meaning it picks up whatever's behind it.... which happens to be your leftmost crash.
3. your kick, when it first comes in, sounds like a wood block. I know you don't have a kick mic... but maybe if your tuning is really "slappy" try to tune the reso up a bit to get some resonating rumble.
Your snare and kick are extremely loud. Granted, the snare and kick should be a lil' louder than the rest of the kit. But what i'm hearing is too much.

[fishbulb]

1. tune your snare in such a way that you get less sympathetic vibes from the toms. (or at least try).

I usually don't play my kit inside of the house so that changes how everything sounds and i haven't had a chance to tune it yet. After listening to it again i really noticed some sympathetic vibes at the end that i hadn't noticed before or even when i was playing.

2. Your overheads sound like dynamic mics. Oh wait, they are! ;) lol, but seriously, they're extremely mid-heavy with no real high end sparkle from your cymbals. Speaking of which, the last crash in the very beginning has a low low "hummmmm," which means it's either got a crack or your mic is waaay too close. I can't tell which one it is and the pics aren't helping me. However, i have a sneaking suspicion your snare mic is a super-cardioid, meaning it picks up whatever's behind it.... which happens to be your leftmost crash.

I definitely agree about the overheads being mid-heavy but that's all i have to work with. I listened to it again and i didn't notice any low low "hummmm." It's probably from my ride cymbal because it has some very low overtones. Could you give me a time frame or at least something like a quarter way through or halfway?

Bingo about the snare mic being a super-cardoid because it is! It doesn't pick up much of the hi-hats at all but i hadn't noticed if any of the crashes were picked up.

3. your kick, when it first comes in, sounds like a wood block. I know you don't have a kick mic... but maybe if your tuning is really "slappy" try to tune the reso up a bit to get some resonating rumble.
Your snare and kick are extremely loud. Granted, the snare and kick should be a lil' louder than the rest of the kit. But what i'm hearing is too much.

I wasn't sure where to place the microphone on a kick drum that didn't have a port so i just pointed it at the middle of the resonant head and got that sound.

I'll adjust the snare/bass levels and see how it sounds.

Thanks for the critique.

[Seafroggys]

I like your bass tone, but it could use a little more omph. Do you have any compression on it, that might help!

[fishbulb]

I have absolutely no compression or reverb. To be honest with you, i don't know how to do that because i haven't experimented with it much. I'll see how compression/reverb sounds on different microphones.

[Seafroggys]

I'm not a fan of overall compression to raise RMS but light compression on certain tracks can make it sound better. Usually light compression (2:1 - 4:1) compression on a bass and/or snare with the fastest attack and a relatively medium release can bring up a lot of ommph and beat to it, as well as even out the volume.

[Doublebasssabian]

^Should be fixed tbh now. This man knows what he's talking about.

[Chippy569]

I'm not a fan of overall compression to raise RMS but light compression on certain tracks can make it sound better. Usually light compression (2:1 - 4:1) compression on a bass and/or snare with the fastest attack and a relatively medium release can bring up a lot of ommph and beat to it, as well as even out the volume.
gotta disagree on putting any compressor on the fastest setting. but relatively fast is a good idea.

[Chippy569]

I listened to it again and i didn't notice any low low "hummmm." It's probably from my ride cymbal because it has some very low overtones. Could you give me a time frame or at least something like a quarter way through or halfway?

in the very beginning, you play some "testing" kinda tones, and it's the last crash (right before the ride pattern starts). I predict it's coming from your snare mic.

[A Dead Modernist]

Niice

[fishbulb]

I'm not a fan of overall compression to raise RMS but light compression on certain tracks can make it sound better. Usually light compression (2:1 - 4:1) compression on a bass and/or snare with the fastest attack and a relatively medium release can bring up a lot of ommph and beat to it, as well as even out the volume.

If you put too much compression on you lose a lot of the dynamics of the playing, right?

[moogoogaipan]

So quit typing 2oo2, so others will also type it good the next time.

It really irritates me.

wow, that's retarded

[Chippy569]

it irritates me when people say "good" and not "well."
however, it irritates me even more when people barge into a thread to post stuff utterly irrelevant to the threadstarter's post.


over-compressing won't kill your dynamics per se, but it will make your drums sound like e-drums' dynamics, if you know what i mean.

[Seafroggys]

gotta disagree on putting any compressor on the fastest setting. but relatively fast is a good idea.

can you explain why? I assume fast attack because drums have, well, a fast attack. If its too slow it might not 'catch' until the soundwave has already or is getting close to peaking, almost defeating the purpose.

If you put too much compression on you lose a lot of the dynamics of the playing, right?

Yep, hence I what I was talking about. Light compression on some instruments can (usually, will) make them sound better in a pop/rock setting. Since its not too heavy with a fairly high threshold, you still have dynamic range, its just the 'backbeat' hits are even and oomphy.

[Chippy569]

can you explain why? I assume fast attack because drums have, well, a fast attack. If its too slow it might not 'catch' until the soundwave has already or is getting close to peaking, almost defeating the purpose.
if you put it TOO fast, your attack time will actually be shorter than the wavelength of the instrument. This is really apparent on like a bass guitar playing low notes, where the wavelength is long. The compressor actually kicks in between wavelengths (the attack time is less than the time between peaks of the waves). However, this can definitely affect your kick and low toms, too.


Yep, hence I what I was talking about. Light compression on some instruments can (usually, will) make them sound better in a pop/rock setting. Since its not too heavy with a fairly high threshold, you still have dynamic range, its just the 'backbeat' hits are even and oomphy.
no, compressors make peak volumes more consistent. ;)
unless you turn the bottom gain up, making the quiter stuff louder too.

[fishbulb]

it irritates me when people say "good" and not "well."
however, it irritates me even more when people barge into a thread to post stuff utterly irrelevant to the threadstarter's post.


over-compressing won't kill your dynamics per se, but it will make your drums sound like e-drums' dynamics, if you know what i mean.

I agree with everything you've said.

And i understand what you mean by e-drums' dynamics.