Your Musical Future

[Akira]

No of course I didn't steal this from the guitar forum. >.<

Quite simple, what do you see in your future relating to music? A career in music? Music on the side as a hobby? Drifting away from music? How far do you want to take your music?

I'm sure this has been done before, and I don't care. Plus I just made an entire paragraph consisting of just interrogative sentences, so I feel awesome.

[One Groovin Clown]

No matter what, music will be a major hobby of mine. Playing in bands, at home whereever. Doesn't matter. I'd be pretty happy just being able to play music for the rest of my life.

I do however, have an interest in music production. But that's just mainly a little curiosity.

[TheClap]

Session and/or Teaching and performing of course.

[naut]

i'd like to make money from my music. in some form or another...bands, solo material, solo shows...i don't know. hopefully a band though.

since like late '05 i've been pursuing audio engineering. more realistically, (in comparison to my music), i suppose i have a much better chance of getting a career doing that. perhaps as a studio engineer, live sound engineer, forensic audio, etc.

although honestly, i'll probably just work **** jobs for quite a while 'cause it's the most effective way to support my hobby. i hold a bit of dignity and pride in that though. i like manual labor jobs. also, say i started interning at a studio...how much desire would i have to go home and pick up my bass after being surrounded by music all day? seems like it would burn me out; but i don't know.

i feel that as long as i can hold a job that supports my hobby, i'm just fine (and happy) not actually making money from it.

[Mr. Grill]

I am going to try and get into an Audio Engineering program in college. Do some shows and stuff with my band.

[Akira]

My turn I guess.
I would love to make a living off of music, but I recognize that that is a dream more than anything. I don't think I would ever be good enough to be a session bassist or anything like that. If I ever get a decent band opportunity I'll grab it, but I'm not holding my breath.
I guess my most realistic goal would be to get a job somewhere in the industry, possibly in the music business. That way I could be around music and still make a living. I will definitely always be making music, regardless of what profession I go into.

[Duncster]

Well I plan on supporting myself for the rest of my life playing bass. Looks like I got a tough life ahead of me. I'll probably do alot of manual labour and stuff as well to support it.

[PaulSimonon]

I'm gonna (hopefully) go to college and study to be a recording engineer since I won't make it into any good college based on my skill level which keeps getting worse and worse.

[Akira]

I'm pretty sure a relatively trained guinea pig could make it into IU.

[Jimbobntnr]

I'm going to play really bad cover songs in bars for around $100 a night.

[PaulSimonon]

I'm pretty sure a relatively trained guinea pig could make it into IU.

I'm gonna apply there actually. If I can get into anywhere good, I'll got to IUPUI for a year and save up some money.

[Akira]

Actually, I have heard that IU is raising it's standards. The funny thing is that Purdue isn't. Kids have been getting into Purdue and rejected from IU, when it has always been the opposite.

[JoeDaddio]

I'm going to play really bad cover songs in bars for around $100 a night.


Sounds good to me.


Similarly, all I really want to do is have fun with music. I am slowly crawling to my ideal band... as soon as my buddy makes the trip up north to bring his drum set down we'll be nearly there. He and I get along amazingly when it comes to music, and we both just want to have fun... sort of get a really mellow groovy jam-ish band. Nice pocket drums and bass with jammin' keys and/or a horn. Posibly some mellow guitar, but if there is one instrument I can do without, it's an electric guitar.

To get something like that going and to get a gig a night or two a week at a dive is all I really want. Just to have fun and to groove... something where the people in the bar can laugh and drink... where they're tapin' their feet and bobbing their head without realizing it.






joe

[HELLonWHEELS]

I would love to do some session playing on the side as a hobby.

[Thonk]

i feel that as long as i can hold a job that supports my hobby, i'm just fine (and happy) not actually making money from it.
this sums it up for me.

[Amit]

hip hop production to put me on the charts

modern classical composition to put me in the history books :I

[Akira]

It's totally going to happen, too.

[One Groovin Clown]

But I thought Amit hated the negra musik?

[Amit]

these are lies!

[Akira]

What's your rap name going to be?

[Thonk]

dj amit

the new scott storch

[HELLonWHEELS]

I don't think amit post's enough.

[Brandon_S]

I want to teach music in a highschool or be a professor,gig with bands right now well im in highschool,then once I start to teach,set up a small home recording studio for young bands to come and record there demos and such,I want to help musicians.

[Left Shoe]

Session and/or Teaching and performing of course.

all 3 of these

[TheClap]

^Word. Even if your at the bottom of the barrel, you make enough to live on.

[Left Shoe]

well i mean not the bottom bottom, but yeah

[I_WEAR_RED_PANTS]

im want to spend the first year after i finish school to study music theory full time and try and learn as much as i can and then when that year is up ill start teaching privately during the day and hopefully working pub or club gigs at night

[Charlie Daniels]

YOU WEAR RED PANTS?!?! no wai!!!


ROCK ON RED PANTS WEARERS!! UNITE!!!

\m/ ^_^ \m/

rawr

[I_WEAR_RED_PANTS]

actually i dont wear red pants

ive worn red pants probably once or twice

i wear red shirts sometimes though

[Charlie Daniels]

YOUR USERNAME IS MISLEADING!! >:-(


lies on teh internet!!!

:mad:

[I_WEAR_RED_PANTS]

im sorry ill make it up to you in rep form

also are you THE Charlie Daniels, or is it just another lie on the internet?

also, will it make it any better if i just say i wear red pants?

[Charlie Daniels]

Well I'm a Charlie Daniels, but not the Charlie Daniels. My parents were country music fanatics :-(

[badtaste]

Music will always be on the side for me (mainly because I suck).

However, eventually I hope to do the Richard D. James type thing and start making music for myself and perhaps for my friends. First though, I need money. Sweet, sweet, sweet money.

[funkyhoney]

hobby, albeit money making hobby, film and televison is my "true" calling, hopefully i'll get accepted into the uni course i want, should know soon.

[OutontheTiles]

Where do I want to take music? Well i was watching Victor Wooten last night, giving lessons on youtube i really did think about this.

I came to the conclusion that when i go off to college in august i want to get into a band and play locally. Basically play off of what the dead, phish, the hip and moe did, just rise up from college due to fan based around a certain area. Get my degree then go off and make a living on makeing my own music and playing it. So basically i wanta be in a jam band.

But i do know that the probablity is really slim so i just want to get into a band who knows what they are doing and have fun with them. Play a few shows and meet women lol.

[peeted]

Ill probs always have it as a hobby, i want to do some teaching too.

[Amit]

What's your rap name going to be?

hip hop producer name*

it's a secret because i don't want my future employers/family to find out :I

[blizzard]

Well I'm studying to become a Mechanical Engineer. Music will always be a hobby on the side, if I start to make a heap of money from it, that would be great, if not who cares.

[OutontheTiles]

Well I'm studying to become a Mechanical Engineer. Music will always be a hobby on the side, if I start to make a heap of money from it, that would be great, if not who cares.

Thats what im going to school for too

[Akira]

I want to teach music in a highschool or be a professor,gig with bands right now well im in highschool,then once I start to teach,set up a small home recording studio for young bands to come and record there demos and such,I want to help musicians.

Teaching high school would be murder. I couldn't do it.

[HaVIC5]

Gig in an urban area and support it with a moderately sized private studio.

That's pretty realistic because I'm already teaching and gigging for a decent amount of pay, so I'm not going to shoot for something ridiculous. Maybe I'll get a pit job or something.

[Foxfire]

I don't know. Simple as that.

I need to woodshed like crazy if I plan on going to music school. However, I do not have the time or money to learn how to play double bass at the moment, which limits my options muchly.

I also have to look at the reason I don't have time to learn how to play upright...I'm going to be a junior and I'm taking 5 AP courses. In addition, I do play sports: I start varsity for my school's lacrosse team, and have a chance to have a varsity spot on my school's cross country team.

I hate that parents, teachers, etc always say you can do whatever you put your mind to. It makes deciding things like this a lot more difficult.

So, I really don't know. At all.

[Akira]

That would be my dream. But I'm missing that one minor technicality.


Talent.


EDIT: To Adam.

[Akira]

I don't know. Simple as that.

I need to woodshed like crazy if I plan on going to music school. However, I do not have the time or money to learn how to play double bass at the moment, which limits my options muchly.

I also have to look at the reason I don't have time to learn how to play upright...I'm going to be a junior and I'm taking 5 AP courses. In addition, I do play sports: I start varsity for my school's lacrosse team, and have a chance to have a varsity spot on my school's cross country team.

I hate that parents, teachers, etc always say you can do whatever you put your mind to. It makes deciding things like this a lot more difficult.

So, I really don't know. At all.

Hey man, let's start a club. I am going to be a junior taking 5 AP classes too! Of my two non AP classes, one is Honors level Precalculus and the other is jazz band.
I don't do sports, but for the first quarter of the year I will have marching, which takes up almost as much time.

I might die.

[Foxfire]

Hey man, let's start a club. I am going to be a junior taking 5 AP classes too! Of my two non AP classes, one is Honors level Precalculus and the other is jazz band.
I don't do sports, but for the first quarter of the year I will have marching, which takes up almost as much time.

I might die.

Haha, yeah; things are going to be really difficult.

Marching is really freaking cool. My school does not have a football team and is relatively small, making a marching band too expensive of an investment.

What APs are you taking? My non-APs are Jazz Band and Japanese III.

I'm taking:
AP BC Calculus
AP Psychology
AP Language and Composition
AP Chemistry
AP Music Theory

>_<

[Akira]

You're school offers Japanese? Lucky, I wish I could take that.

I'm taking.
AP US History
AP English 11 (There is some more technical name that I don't know)
AP Psychology
AP Spanish V
AP Music Theory

We can be Music Theory and Psych buddies. :p

[Foxfire]

You're school offers Japanese? Lucky, I wish I could take that.

I'm taking.
AP US History
AP English 11 (There is some more technical name that I don't know)
AP Psychology
AP Spanish V
AP Music Theory

We can be Music Theory and Psych buddies. :p

I took AP US History last year. If you want some of my notes and ****, let me know - my AP US teacher sent us these incredibly good notes and review packets. I still haven't gotten my score yet, as I didn't use the sticker thing they use.

What I've learned from this little exchange is that people with Conklins possess superior...something. I'm not too sure. I was going to say intelligence, but one might question the intelligence in taking 5 AP courses...

[Akira]

Haha. We are just overachievers. I don't know what I was thinking not signing up for a study hall.
I could have taken AP Chem this year, but yeah freakin' right. I hate science so much. I took two science courses my freshman year and one last year, I am pretty sure I am set for graduation.

While I am an overachiever, I am also a procrastinator. For US and English I have to read three books over the summer, and write two papers. I haven't technically started in the sense of opening any of the books. >.<

[Trevo]

Well, I plan on not taking any music in college. I'm not gonna study anything music related, but I'll always keep playing, being in a band that performs maybe once a week. And if I ever get the money, I'll set up a studio in my house to help out young bands, kinda what Brandon said.

[Foxfire]

Haha. We are just overachievers. I don't know what I was thinking not signing up for a study hall.
I could have taken AP Chem this year, but yeah freakin' right. I hate science so much. I took two science courses my freshman year and one last year, I am pretty sure I am set for graduation.

While I am an overachiever, I am also a procrastinator. For US and English I have to read three books over the summer, and write two papers. I haven't technically started in the sense of opening any of the books. >.<

I know how that goes, man.

AP US really helped my writing, but it made me realize one thing: I hate American history.

European and Asian history are extremely interesting to me, but something about US history...I don't know...

My school doesn't offer study hall, unfortunately. Instead, on wednesdays, we get out of school at 11:15 CST. :) Starting this year, school's going to start on Wednesdays at 9 (previously 8) and go until 11:15. During this time, we take a class; as a freshman, I was in a Latin Jazz band. Last year, I was in a music recording class (colloquiam).

[Akira]

Dude, I want to come to your school. You have Japanese, Latin Jazz band, a music recording class, and two hours of school on Wednesday?
That's so not fair.

I hate American history too. I already know that.

[Foxfire]

Dude, I want to come to your school. You have Japanese, Latin Jazz band, a music recording class, and two hours of school on Wednesday?
That's so not fair.

I hate American history too. I already know that.

Top high school educational institution in the state of Illinois. ;)

My school also offers Korean and Chinese. I would not be surprised if Polish was included soon, seeing as how many Polish people are in Chicago.

It's a really quirky school, though. We have block scheduling, instead of a bell they play music during passing, couches line the halls, our Comp Sci teacher is covered in tats and teaches a motorcycle building class on wednesdays, etc etc.

Good times, though. :)

[Akira]

Dude, what the hell? This sounds like the coolest school ever.
No one with a visible tattoo would ever get hired at my school. We don't have a shop class, much less a motorcycle building class. It's a painfully typical white upper-middle class school.
The closest thing we have to a recording class is a music synthesis/"how to run the auditorium" class that, while fun, is made far less enjoyable by the people in it. They could rename it, with pretty good accuracy, "Class that stoners take to get their fine arts credits".
I am coming to your school.

This is why I can't wait for college. I want to be able to take classes that actually interest me.
What are you thinking about doing in college?

[Foxfire]

Dude, what the hell? This sounds like the coolest school ever.
No one with a visible tattoo would ever get hired at my school. We don't have a shop class, much less a motorcycle building class. It's a painfully typical white upper-middle class school.
The closest thing we have to a recording class is a music synthesis/"how to run the auditorium" class that, while fun, is made far less enjoyable by the people in it. They could rename it, with pretty good accuracy, "Class that stoners take to get their fine arts credits".
I am coming to your school.

This is why I can't wait for college. I want to be able to take classes that actually interest me.
What are you thinking about doing in college?

I really don't know. I'm heavily considering majoring in Japanese, because the language interests me to no end.

However, sciences are in my blood and it's something I'm naturally good at. It's usually real interesting to me as well (except for marine sciences). In addition, having worked out lately has interested in me in sports medicine and nutrition.

I think math is easy, so it works out. This is my first year in high school with a REAL math program: previously, I was stuck with the "Integrated Math Program." IMP is this bullshit math program where they try to teach you concepts in applicable situations, but what ends up happening is they give you problems before teaching you how to solve them. Thus, homework assignments regularly had 4-5 incredibly easy and/or stupid problems. This was supposedly meant to increase teamwork.

The only thing I can say for sure is that I probably will not do history.

I have an Asian parent, so music would be difficult to do. However, I also have a music major Grandfather who'll give me 10k a year to help pay for college (no matter the field).

Yourself?

[BullDoG_37]

hopefully the band im in gets recognized and we get to tour australia at least. that would be great fun. check us out if ya want and any critisism is great... (sometimes ><) the recordings on our site are pretty dodgy as we only had 1 day to record them. the bass sounds pretty dodgy too as i only got my new bass the night before we recorded and i had no time to mess around with it and get it all set up right. the best sounding track that is on there would probly be "taken". we have one other demo on there that we had to record ourselves and another that should be up on there soon. hopefully we will be recording a full album at the end of the year and play at a few festivals and stuff.

heres hoping.

www.myspace.com/antacid4life

[Akira]

I wish I had a rich grandfather to give me a ton of money. :upset:

I am probably go into politics. Not as a politician, but as a reporter or an analyst or something. Besides music, politics is the only thing I am truly passionate about. My dad is a doctor, so he naturally wants me to go into medicine, but I don't really like science, and I hate being around blood. >.<
He'll be supportive of any real career I pursue.

Music is still my dream, but I just don't know. I mean you probably know what it's like. Good grades, hard courses, etc. I am intelligent enough to have all of these options of careers, so I don't know how I can justify doing music. Plus my dad would be so disappointed in me.
My mom is a hobbyist musician, so she understands what it's like to really love music in a way my dad just can't. She would definitely support me going into music. My dad would support me if I actually made money. All he wants is for me to have a good life.

It's hard to really know man...
Right now my most realistic path is political science.

[Foxfire]

I wish I had a rich grandfather to give me a ton of money. :upset:

I am probably go into politics. Not as a politician, but as a reporter or an analyst or something. Besides music, politics is the only thing I am truly passionate about. My dad is a doctor, so he naturally wants me to go into medicine, but I don't really like science, and I hate being around blood. >.<
He'll be supportive of any real career I pursue.

Music is still my dream, but I just don't know. I mean you probably know what it's like. Good grades, hard courses, etc. I am intelligent enough to have all of these options of careers, so I don't know how I can justify doing music. Plus my dad would be so disappointed in me.
My mom is a hobbyist musician, so she understands what it's like to really love music in a way my dad just can't. She would definitely support me going into music. My dad would support me if I actually made money. All he wants is for me to have a good life.

It's hard to really know man...
Right now my most realistic path is political science.

I know EXACTLY what you mean. Being multi-talented makes **** really difficult. I'd even consider computer sciences, myself.

As for political sciences...I had politics ruined for me during the last election. I am so sick of politics. Political theory is interesting to me, but modern politics just makes me sick. Ughhh.

[Akira]

I can find my way around computers, but I don't have much training in them.

Politics make me sick to, sometimes literally. But they are still what I am passionate about. Some naive part of me thinks I can make a difference or something.
Honestly though, I would probably burn out while still in college, because as you said, politics suck hard.

[Seeders]

Im not really expecting to "make it" at this point, though I would love a career in music. My goal right now is to record a solid CD of about 10 original songs. I'd probably just put it up on youtube or myspace (though i really ****ing hate myspace) instead of trying to sell it.

[HaVIC5]

BTW, the AP English that is usually taught in 11th grade is AP English Lang. 12th grade is AP English Lit.

I might have talent, but believe it or not, that doesn't mean too much in music, or any field, really. It takes 1) skill (which is helped by talent) 2) determination, but most importantly, far beyond 1 and 2, is 3) people skills/interaction acumen. I've gotten very few gigs/auditions so far based upon my skill (even though I know I'm skilled). Most all of them have been because I have friends who are musicians looking for others to play with, having contacts in a community music school, getting them through my mom or her other colleauges (vocal teachers), schmoozing and self-promoting at parties, etc. In order to make it in music, you have to have skill, yes, but mainly you have to know how to play the game. Once you get a presence built up in a particular area, then skill becomes important, but its worthless until you have developed the people skills and networks to carry that skill.

[Akira]

The scary part is that that almost makes it harder. You can woodshed you build abilities, it's a lot more complicated to network.

[HaVIC5]

The scary part is that that almost makes it harder. You can woodshed you build abilities, it's a lot more complicated to network.
Haha, no, its just a different skill set. I don't have ANY natural talent for that, so I really had to work on it, because I knew from all the advice that had been given to me that in order to build a career, that stuff was essential. It's like music, it takes practice, and you're not going to get any better at it just by waiting around for an epiphany.

[BassVirtuoso]

Eh, if one of my bands gets famous then I'll go along with it but that's the only way I'll pursue a career in music.

[Akira]

Adam, on an unrelated note, how are you liking Berklee?
I have been reading up on it online, and it seems like there is a definite split between people either loving it or thinking it is the worst school in the universe.

[EADG]

The only aspects of the school I've seen people bitch about are the workload, and the cost

But that's true for any music program so I don't understand why Berklee is so bad

[Akira]

Well the cost is a big part, but I have just seen a lot of reviews with people bitching about the facilities not being that good, about the teachers not being that good, and about the students being borderline retarded.

[EADG]

I think Josh once said people apply knowing they have a high acceptance rate and think it will be easy because of that, then they realize they can't keep up with the workload so they end up hating it or dropping out

[EADG]

In response to the question though, I don't know what I want to do with my music education, but it's in the area I know I'd want to pursue the most so I figure I can't go wrong.

I'd be happy with any of these, or a combination of a few of them:

private teacher, school teacher, studio engineer/producer (probably independent), professional musician, session musician (unlikely I know).. yeah you get the idea. As long as I get to make music in some form I'm happy. Money isn't really that big of an issue.. if it was, I'd be in something else.

[Akira]

Yeah, that seems to be the consensus. Berklee wants your money, so they let anyone in, and then bad people get into theory classes and realize they are totally lost and drop out, so by sophomore year most of the students are pretty good.
The other consensus seems to be that you get back what you put in, which is true about any music school I think. Since you don't get a job in music because you have a diploma, you can't just coast through school and expect to succeed.

So I dunno. That's why I am curious to hear Adam's opinion. I trust his word more than some random review.

[Akira]

In response to the question though, I don't know what I want to do with my music education, but it's in the area I know I'd want to pursue the most so I figure I can't go wrong.

I'd be happy with any of these, or a combination of a few of them:

private teacher, school teacher, studio engineer/producer (probably independent), professional musician, session musician (unlikely I know).. yeah you get the idea. As long as I get to make music in some form I'm happy. Money isn't really that big of an issue.. if it was, I'd be in something else.

Money isn't an issue... as long as I have enough of it to live decently. If I wanted to be rich I would go into biochemistry or money management, but even if I did music I would want to be comfortable enough that I didn't have to really worry.

[HaVIC5]

Adam, on an unrelated note, how are you liking Berklee?
I have been reading up on it online, and it seems like there is a definite split between people either loving it or thinking it is the worst school in the universe.
Well, I personally love it and think its the best school for me, but with Berklee, theres a catch to it all. There are a lot, and I mean a LOT of people here who really aren't conservatory level caliber and only go because they can afford to go. They eventually drop out after a couple semesters, but theres enough of them here that Berklee has a really poor reputation in the greater jazz academic field. When I say I go to Berklee, I've actually had to defend myself from people who say, "Oh, Berklee. I see." Now, there are plenty of amazing musicians that come out of Berklee too (the hundreds of grammys proove that), but there are also a bunch of not amazing musicians.

Also, there are plenty of people who get lost in the paperwork and fall through the cracks of the Berklee system, who get disillusioned and drop out, even though they are amazing musicians. Berklee's beauracracy is a mess, and I'm convinced that they do that on purpose to take people's money and leave them stranded. Unless you're on top of your game in all things business and paperwork, you're going to be screwed. My first two weeks were a nightmare trying to arrange my seriously screwed-up schedule, and the same held true for all of my friends. Some of the ones that didn't get the whole thing straightend out have dropped out already, lost in the twisted maze of red tape that strangles you before you get to study music.

[Akira]

That's basically what I figured you would say from what I have heard. So my statement of "what you put inn, you get out" is accurate in the sense that if you are really advanced enough for the classes and have a good work ethic, Berklee will help you?

[HaVIC5]

That's basically what I figured you would say from what I have heard. So my statement of "what you put inn, you get out" is accurate in the sense that if you are really advanced enough for the classes and have a good work ethic, Berklee will help you?
Well, one thing that I figured out immediately is that the Berklee cirriculum is actually set up so that you could (theoretically) start knowing absolutely nothing about music and in 4 years have a bachelor's degree in it. It would be stupidly hard and you'd have to work a LOT, but all the material in the cirriculum is there from the basics of theory to the most advanced classes in the majors. You actually don't have to be that advanced, what you DO have to be is work-motivated in all senses, music, networking, dealing with the idiots in the registrar's office day in and day out, etc.

[Akira]

That's interesting to hear, though not too surprising.

Hmm...

[Misanthropic]

i'd like to be in a band that would play gigs. one ****ing gig would be good already, it's getting frustrating.

[Akira]

Well I'm not in a band, but I can understand that frustration of not getting gigs.

[Misanthropic]

well, to rant a little further: we got a full band line-up together in the beginning of this year (band started september 06), and by april-may we had enough songs for a setlist and an EP.

i tried to tell the other guys "let's go into the studio and play our first gig before the summer" but it didn't happen, because they didn't think we were good enough (we play punk rock ffs, you don't have to be good. and we would've gotten a small gig through friends anyday). now, our drummer moved away, perhaps permanently, and we haven't had a band practice in almost two months.

[Foxfire]

Sigh.

I need a singer so bad...

[Foxfire]

Sigh.

I need a singer so bad...

[Akira]

Sigh.

I need a whole band.

[EADG]

Well, one thing that I figured out immediately is that the Berklee cirriculum is actually set up so that you could (theoretically) start knowing absolutely nothing about music and in 4 years have a bachelor's degree in it. It would be stupidly hard and you'd have to work a LOT, but all the material in the cirriculum is there from the basics of theory to the most advanced classes in the majors. You actually don't have to be that advanced, what you DO have to be is work-motivated in all senses, music, networking, dealing with the idiots in the registrar's office day in and day out, etc.


Is there no theory involved in the audition? Mine had tons

[Akira]

But since the audition doesn't really matter, it is irrelevant.

[Brandon_S]

Teaching high school would be murder. I couldn't do it.

Why?

[Akira]

Because high school kids are nightmares?
And I am saying this knowing full well that I am a high school kid.

[Brandon_S]

I am in grade 10:P so im a highschool kid too,I dont know I want to teach music in a school regardless of the age level,as long as its grade 6 + when kids start to play there instruments.

I always think about berklee,but I don't know. Im really interested in Humber College for the Jazz Program it seems reallly really nice,and well respected.

[Akira]

Teach college. I don't know how high school music teachers don't go insane.

[Left Shoe]

have you met a high school band director? they are insane.

[ROM]

I use to jam with this high school music teacher. He'd roll a HUGE blunt, get baked and jam out to the most amazing music.

[Left Shoe]

But since the audition doesn't really matter, it is irrelevant.

whered you hear that

[Akira]

have you met a high school band director? they are insane.

Not really. Of the three high school band directors I have had, only one was really insane. Of course the other two basically were too drugged to be insane, but that is irrelevant.

[HaVIC5]

But since the audition doesn't really matter, it is irrelevant.
It used to not have anything to do with anything. Now, Berklee wised up, and the audition is part of the admissions process. The cirriculum isn't changing, though.

And no, believe it or not, no theory is involved whatsoever in the audition. Ear training and performance are, however.

[Efrim]

I see myself living in a shitty apartment in Montreal and playing at X-Space until my band is ban'd.

[Brandon_S]

It used to not have anything to do with anything. Now, Berklee wised up, and the audition is part of the admissions process. The cirriculum isn't changing, though.

And no, believe it or not, no theory is involved whatsoever in the audition. Ear training and performance are, however.

Weird,

This college in Canada called Mohawk,Offers you to do the 3 year diploma program there,and then do the extra year at berklee for the degree and do a credit transfer,Im really really thinking about that.

[Left Shoe]

It used to not have anything to do with anything. Now, Berklee wised up, and the audition is part of the admissions process. The cirriculum isn't changing, though.

And no, believe it or not, no theory is involved whatsoever in the audition. Ear training and performance are, however.

my ear training guy kept trying to slam me, it was ridiculous (i got through it with flying colors though). he played through a cadence in C major (I IV V I) then he stopped playing for a bit, then he hit an A flat up about two octaves. But i identified it correctly, he was a mean one, but he gave me a scholarship so its cool. no hard feelings, no harm no foul.

[EADG]

But since the audition doesn't really matter, it is irrelevant.


Seeing how they changed their policy so I wasn't allowed to send in an audio recording.. I think it does

[EADG]

I always think about berklee,but I don't have like $120 000


Fixed

[EADG]

And no, believe it or not, no theory is involved whatsoever in the audition. Ear training and performance are, however.


He didn't make you play scales, intervals, modes, or anything?

[EADG]

Because high school kids are nightmares?
And I am saying this knowing full well that I am a high school kid.


Not really.. only the grade 9's and sometimes 10's are the annoying ones. 11s and 12s are usually pretty mature

[EADG]

It used to not have anything to do with anything. Now, Berklee wised up, and the audition is part of the admissions process.

If it wasn't before, then what the hell was the point of it? Why have it in the first place

[Left Shoe]

post 2: its 42k a year, so 148000

post 3: i dont remember if i had to play scales or not, they play make you play a 12 bar blues, or another genre, basically if you play it well its assumed that you know your scales...or you dont need to know them.

post 5: as a formality to cut off the bottom 30% of applicants who were real bad at music.

[EADG]

post 2: its 42k a year, so 148000

post 3: i dont remember if i had to play scales or not, they play make you play a 12 bar blues, or another genre, basically if you play it well its assumed that you know your scales...or you dont need to know them.

post 5: as a formality to cut off the bottom 30% of applicants who were real bad at music.


post 2: Is that American? What's that in Canadian? Also, aren't the rates higher for International Students?

post 3: Oh

post 5: Oh

[Left Shoe]

yeah its american, and not sure if they are higher or not.

[EADG]

154,417 CAD


I'm paying like.. 20K a year maximum.. Canadian. Why is it so expensive?

[Left Shoe]

were paying for the name honestly. that and the fact that housing in boston is ridiculously expensive anyway

[EADG]

Oh, well then

[grieverOSOK]

im going to college in about a month. im going undeclared for the first semester to take fun classes. second semester im beginning a pre-med program and also taking a minor in music composition. from there i plan to get resident jobs at hospitals and have them pay for med school and continue doign that for another 4 or 6 years. by the times thats all over ill be almost thirty, a heart surgeon hopefully and have enough time and money to invest quite a bit into bass. i decided earlier this year that most music related jobs arent up my alley and would more drive me away from bass then bring me closer to it. as someone mentioned earlier after 8 hours in a studio, sight reading advertising jingle music i really think you'd want to swallow your bass and end your life more than play some more when you get home. but maybe thats just me

[Akira]

Oh, well then

Basically the people running Berklee really like money.

[BullDoG_37]

i like money... just dont have very much atm...

[HaVIC5]

If it wasn't before, then what the hell was the point of it? Why have it in the first place
Scholarship. It's funny, though, before, the scholarship system and admissions systems were different. Admissions weren't based on performance or any tests: presumably just on grades and whatever BS was on the admissions form. I got a sizable scholarship, but didn't get in the first semester I applied.

[ROM]

they probably thought you were too good for the first class, they didn't want to scare them too bad.

[lemoley]

well im doing popular music and promotion next year at uni so hopefully at the end of my course someone will be looking for me lol

if not i shall always be in bands and maybe start teching too but one things for sure - i will always be making music wether i make a profit from it or not

[Brandon_S]

Im thinking of going to mohawk for music (Matt knows that college,its canadian) and then possibly doing a credit transfer for my fourht year at berklee.

[Akira]

Scholarship. It's funny, though, before, the scholarship system and admissions systems were different. Admissions weren't based on performance or any tests: presumably just on grades and whatever BS was on the admissions form. I got a sizable scholarship, but didn't get in the first semester I applied.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you get?

[EADG]

Im thinking of going to mohawk for music (Matt knows that college,its canadian) and then possibly doing a credit transfer for my fourht year at berklee.


I hope you're prepared to pay out your anus

Also I'm pretty sure you will have to do the SATs to go to school in the US

[Brandon_S]

I hope you're prepared to pay out your anus

Also I'm pretty sure you will have to do the SATs to go to school in the US

I dont think so because ill be an international student,and the paying part isnt a big deal,its the experience that matters.

[EADG]

I dont think so because ill be an international student,and the paying part isnt a big deal,its the experience that matters.


You will have to because you are an international student and therefore you won't have taken them. They're mandatory for American schools amirite guys

Also, the paying part is a big deal once you get out.

[Brandon_S]

Hmm,im still note sure. I really really like humber,but I wont close doors,ill audition at as many schools that catch my intrest.

[ROM]

I used to be the sound guy for school a while back and there was a nice gig coming up. I had me and another guy setup everything right the day before. Three hours before show we get there and someone messed up all the stuff.

We had three hours to rewire the whole place, do sound checks then make sure everyone is heard and that all is working. I had to setup 2 different bands on one PA. So I had to write down all the settings.

At the end on the final check, I turn around and give the thumbs up. As I do a stupid teacher goes up and turns DOWN the sound volume. The whole 3 hours goes down the whole and the whole first part for both bands sounded like crap because out of all the buttons he decided to lower the freakin volume.
Who got the blame for everything? I did
I could of said screw it and let them freak out for 3 hours but I misseed an exam so I could rewire everything the way it needed to be done. I had one person thanked me and that was the guy in another band who didn't play who knew what the hell was going on.

Solution: I never bothered with sound equipment again unless its relating to my sound.

[Sammy_L_D]

Well, I completed my first year of woodworking in college.

But I am not going back for it.

Instead, I will pursue the far more realistic and obviously sustainable route of music. :P

What, is yet to be determined.

Realistically, pursuing academic music is the way to go, if only for a few years to brush up my theory so I can go teach/maybe find a session job (although I'd probably have to move to far away cities, or hell, the United States, specifically Nashville, to do so).

However, I also have realized that this whole concept of hourly wages to "live a happy life" is a deterrent to me. Why should I go pursue careers I don't enjoy where the government's going to take most of the money made anyways, so that I can theoretically spend more, to go further in debt while living in a three bedroom house I don't need, eat out several nights a week at restaurants I don't need to visit, and buy copious amounts of musical gear I'll never use, when I can streamline my scenario, live on a tight budget, eat only what I need and use only what I need to, while playing music, my favourite hobby, privately teaching music, playing for the Church worship team, other Churches, etc.?

Bearing in mind that all of this would of course be different if I ever choose to get married/raise a family.

But, it is yet to be seen where I shall be lead. I am still young, and it's hard to say what God has in store for me yet, but whatever it is, I am going to pursue after it.

So far, it all relates to music. So I am going to see where this leads.

[HaVIC5]

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you get?

8k a year.

[Left Shoe]

i got 7k to give you an idea

[ROM]

I mean Left Shoe is crap and he got 7k. Anyone can do it ... jk

[Radiobass81]

I'd seriously love to get scholarships from playing music, and I WILL try to make money from my bass playing while I'm at college (work at a studio, help bands without a bassist, hell, I'd even give class). If I'm going to get a job that doesn't pay much, I might as well get it at something that I like, which is either music or Subway.

[Radiobass81]

Universities in the States are incredibly overprized. All of them. I mean, most European countries make that level of educaion free, SOME places in Germany are just now starting to charge, and it's a mere 700 euros. I could study in the best university in Puerto Rico for less than 1.5k.

I'd like to study in the States, but the prices are jsut ridicolous, and we don't have the money for them. Unless I get some huge scholarships, I'm not getting on student loans either, as a student loan THAT big just shouldn't happen.

[Akira]

You just have to remember that the US represents capitalism at its worst. People charge what the market can support, regardless of the ethics of it.

[HaVIC5]

You also have to remember that, in general, because of the free market system of higher education in the US, there is a LOT more money going into the system than if the state funded it. This means better professors, better facilities, better education, etc. Now, is the trade off between money spent and education worth it? I seriously doubt it.

[Radiobass81]

Being a proffesor was ranked the second best job to have in the US, because of the money, and because of all the free time. They have a lot already. And regarding facilities, we get new facilities all the time, while paying 39 grand less than most colleges over there.

[BassVirtuoso]

Wasn't the first best job a doctor?

I hope so because that's what I've been trying to do forever.

There's a music store right near me, I'll hopefully be teaching there during college, it's a small store and I'm sure they don't have many bass teachers.

[Radiobass81]

It was some sort of engineer.

I guess being a doctor may bring too many lawsuits so it wasn't number one. Not to mention, the emotional instability, depending on what you do and how well you do it. And no free time at all, unless you are a plastic surgeon or something.

[ROM]

I could see you as a plastic surgeon. Have the people have bass shaped breasts :p

[Kurrpt]

/posts picture of bedroom

:lol:

[Jody LeCompte]

Im going to be a guitar teacher making $12 dollars an hour and barely making it by.

[Trevo]

It was some sort of engineer.

I guess being a doctor may bring too many lawsuits so it wasn't number one. Not to mention, the emotional instability, depending on what you do and how well you do it. And no free time at all, unless you are a plastic surgeon or something.

Top job=Software engineer.

For anyone interested:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_archive/2006/05/01/8375749/index.htm

[Left Shoe]

Wasn't the first best job a doctor?

I hope so because that's what I've been trying to do forever.

There's a music store right near me, I'll hopefully be teaching there during college, it's a small store and I'm sure they don't have many bass teachers.

your avatar bobs perfectly in time with "When One Eight Becomes Two Zeros" by glass jaw

[LightRaven]

There's a music store right near me, I'll hopefully be teaching there during college, it's a small store and I'm sure they don't have many bass teachers.


That's because guitar teachers think they can teach bass ;)

LR

[blacklungfever]

I'm hoping to go to U of T and study jazz bass. Id also like to take a year or two and study classical, to learn bowing and stuff.

I think I'm getting a teaching job at the nearest music store in the fall. They had no summer spots, but I think I'll probably get the job in the fall.

[Brandon_S]

That's because guitar teachers think they can teach bass ;)

LR

123,

Blacklungfever,Ever thought about Humber,GREAT Jazz Program.

[Bigga]

I wana be able to make enough money to make a living from playing music....even if i have another job that pays well id still look at music as what i do to put the food on the table.

[whiskey]

personally I think my band will go all the way I can play almost anyone tabz.

[Bigga]

Sweet...but are you as creative to make up your own stuff that sound as good or better?

[Brandon_S]

personally I think my band will go all the way I can play almost anyone tabz.

:confused:

[whiskey]

Sweet...but are you as creative to make up your own stuff that sound as good or better?

yeah I write sweet metal riffs all day

[ROM]

As soon as I have everything in order I will be writing my own covers. Bass & Drums only.

[Akira]

*arranging

If it's a cover then I don't think you are writing it.

[ROM]

yeah arranging

I will also be writing songs too.

[Akira]

Make sure to post recordings, it sounds pretty cool.

[ROM]

I will only have shortclips tho. I am gonna make cds off it. (The originals)

All i need is time..

[EADG]

That's because guitar teachers think they can teach bass ;)

LR


Guitarists teaching bass is pretty much a crime against humanity

[tomtom]

i'd really love to make it big.

but if i don't it's not a big thing.

i'd like to be a software designer, but if i have a chance with music, i'll put the software on hold for a while, and see where the music takes me.

i don't think i could do music academically, as far as i know it leads down paths i don't really see much future going down (session bassist etc)

i also wouldn't mind being a sound tech, but i wouldn't pursue that until i have a steady job, and have left school.

[LightRaven]

Guitarists teaching bass is pretty much a crime against humanity


:lol: That is the way it works though. Where I used to teach, out of all the guitar teachers who also taught bass, there were only two of us who were actually bassists.

LR

[Akira]

Guitarists teaching bass is pretty much a crime against humanity

My teacher is a guitarist. He can play bass alright, but he is a guitarist. He is also an amazing teacher, because he is such a musician. He can tell you everything you need to know about bass lines.
Plus it's cool for me to play a bass line and have him solo on top of it because he pretty much destroys the guitar. He's been playing a couple times longer than I have been alive.

[LightRaven]

My teacher is a guitarist. He can play bass alright, but he is a guitarist. He is also an amazing teacher, because he is such a musician. He can tell you everything you need to know about bass lines.
Plus it's cool for me to play a bass line and have him solo on top of it because he pretty much destroys the guitar. He's been playing a couple times longer than I have been alive.


That's cool. I used to do that with my students as well. I would play guitar while they were playing their bass lines, or vice versa (I taught both). But the majority of "bass" teachers at any area music school (minus an actual bone fide school or conservatory) is a guitarist. It's like the saying that guitarists are a dime a dozen, but finding a good bassist is difficult. Most music facilities are not going to go out of their way to find an actual bassist to teach bass... and many times they have the misconception that bass is just a guitar with 4 (or so) strings. So what is the difference, right?

...... which might explain why so many basslines in popular songs are just a bunch of root notes.....:smash:

LR

[flameface42]

Hopefully finding a sick bad to play in at university.

[EvilSid]

I'm assuming that once my bandmates get to old to be lugging equipment around, and subsequently playing it, I'll more than likely dissappear. To my basement or garage, perhaps. But unless my son becomes some sort of drummer (yeah, he's 4) it'll be me, my bass gear, my strat and twin reverb, a drum machine and a four track pumping out crap originals for the rest of my days.

BTW, my "frontman" and drummer are, at 21 years older than me, both a spritely 55.

[Akira]

Holy crap, it's you.

[Misanthropic]

if this is who i think it is, lowsound has your avatar!