Hardcore Straight Edge

[playguitar]

So is anyone here into Hardcore Straight Edge bands? My personal faves are Allegiance, Champion, and Set it Straight. SIS is breaking up :(, but at least I'll get to see them 2-3 more times before their final show at The Gilman.

[AIRIC]

drink drink drink puke puke puke bleh

[margin0walker]

alcohol is a kool aide substitute

[AIRIC]

we drank kool-aid when we thirstay

[Aficionado]

SIX PACK

Ya I do listen to it. Even though I don't condone the ideologies.

[margin0walker]

you cant do that, that's just weird.

[Aficionado]

You have a point...

though in theory I am actually straight edge.

[asdf]

I condone the ideolgoies, but don't really listen to the music

:/ wtf

[margin0walker]

Wtf That's Even Weirders

[Aficionado]

I respect their message but the way that they trie to convey it is kinda gay, ya know?

[Flagjacket]

I herd u like straight edge hxc

But seriously I judge straight edge hardcore and non edge hardcore on the same terms, but I love all that old Youth Crew era and 90's stuff. Modern stuff is awesome too, I love SIS.

[pedro durruti]

Hardcore straight edge can be alright although I don't think I listen to it much, but moderate straight edge is pretty good, though I've gotten tired of GCF. Basically 80's hardcore and maybe some newer ones whose edginess I don't know about

[Lazybassplr56]

Listen to Gang Green.

[Anxious]

Minor Threat is probably the only edge band I like or care to listen to.

[gregulus]

I don't really care if a band is straight edge or not. If I enjoy the music, I'll listen to it.

[Ghostfire3]

Some of the best hardcore bands were straight edge and while I don't really agree with their ideals I still enjoy listening to them.

[SkaRobotArmy]

I don't really care if a band is straight edge or not. If I enjoy the music, I'll listen to it.

123.

in some music, lyrical content is important to me. hardcore, lyrics are usually negligable either because i can't understand them, or cause i'm rocking out too hard to hear\sing along anyway.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Round 3.

Some bands take it way too far, but I can dig a lot of them, since I abstain myself.

[Aficionado]

The youthcrew of the NY scene were the best of them all.

[Aficionado]

What? Are you straight edge or something? I see no reason for you to call me an asshole.

Anyways, I just think that the lyrics become really whiny and moany.

[RetiredAt21]

I like a lot of edge bands, even though I'm not edge.

[Aficionado]

How's this for an answer?

The way straight edge punks try to seperate themselves from the punk community feels somewhat unjustified and not necessary. It also gives off the impression that they're better than the norm, which isn't entirely the case.

[Boilermaker]

Minor Threat is probably the only edge band I like or care to listen to.

this.

[asdf]

Minor Threat is probably the only edge band I like or care to listen to.
I think this is the same for me as well.

They're also one of the only hardcore bands I listen to.

[RetiredAt21]

ACxDC is straight edge. And they ****ing rule.

[Flagjacket]

How's this for an answer?

The way straight edge punks try to seperate themselves from the punk community feels somewhat unjustified and not necessary. It also gives off the impression that they're better than the norm, which isn't entirely the case.
Why is punks underlined?

Do you know anything about straight edge at all?

[Anxious]

Do you know anything about straight edge at all?
I think he's onto something. It has a lot to do with a sense of superiority.

[RetiredAt21]

He probably doesn't.

[Aficionado]

I underlined punks because mainly punks give off a sense of superiority not ALL straight edge people.

And yes I do know about straight edge.

[team_racket]

i listen to lots of straight edge bands even though i am not edge. over here its like something you can name drop to be cool, a trend in terms of fashion/lifestyle. theres a big market for it. everythings a long shot from the impact and meaning it had in the 80s. im betting ian mackaye is pretty p'issed off with it all today.

[Aficionado]

Most probably. Everything has lost its meaning in the corporate world.

[Flagjacket]

I think he's onto something. It has a lot to do with a sense of superiority.

I'm pretty sure straight edge has less to do with making people feel superior and more to do with not doing drugs.

[santi3hg]

I can call myself edge, but I don't.

I listen to edge music as well.

[team_racket]

yeah man. its like you can either be a man and say 'i dont drink' or jump on the trend bandwagon and go OMG IM SO EDGE. no offence to anyone who is.

[Flagjacket]

Straight edge has been around for over twenty years. Do you understand how trends work?

[Aficionado]

Well, obviously it's more about not doing drugs and staying "clean". That's straight edge but sanjur asked me what I thought was gay about Straight edge

I said

The way straight edge punks try to seperate themselves from the punk community feels somewhat unjustified and not necessary. It also gives off the impression that they're better than the norm, which isn't entirely the case.

That was an answer to Sanjur's and my opinion and the reason why I didn't like the ideologie of Straight edge. I never said that's what straight edge is.

read the thread and the posts above. Then maybe you'd understand that post.

[Hbp]

Isn't Integrity a sxe band?

[Flagjacket]

I'm pretty sure their drummer is edge but I don't know about anyone else.

[RetiredAt21]

Integrity rules, though.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

I agree with Aficianado to some extent. I used to do the whole X on the hand thing, but I just got sick of how the whole sXe community present themselves. It's very holier-than-thou.

[Hbp]

Yes, but then again the drug community also has a certian degree of "bad-***-ness" so to speak, which is a total opposite to the edge community. My cousin is a little bit of a druggie and I am edge, and we constantly fight over the topic, her claiming that we say we are "better than her" and I claiming that she is going to screw herself.

[Converge#12]

Yeah my friends all do drugs and they have a more holier than thou attitude than i ever have about straight edge.

[Hbp]

Same here. As I said, they think they are badass, and I'm not gonna try and press my beliefs into them just because we disagree, yet they try to get me to try weed and drink.

[Flagjacket]

Straight edge and drug user both have their assholes but to use those jerks to represent the entire community is wrong.

[Aficionado]

Fair enough. Though to make it clear, I never made it so that straight edge is a bad culture. I just think that some of the idiots of straight edge try to make it more hollier-than-thou.

THAT's what ruins it for me.

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

BWAJAJAJAJAJA!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, freshman year, blah, blah, blah

Get over it.

[IgniteYourAvail]

I can call myself edge, but I don't.

I listen to edge music as well.

123

I used to call myself edge, but I don't anymore. It seems silly to me now.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Straight edge and drug user both have their assholes but to use those jerks to represent the entire community is wrong.

Kevin that was a perfect statement. Like when the Earth Crisis guy was on Geraldo and he tried to tell him off by saying all straight edgers were hardline. Well, I guess that's just because Geraldo is an idiot.

[slep]

I'm not straight edge, but I completely respect their views on life. And as already said, Minor Threat is really the only straight edge I listen to.

[IgniteYourAvail]

I also have noticed that a lot of drug users hate straight edgers and find them "annoying" because they don't do drugs (at least around here). And I don't understand that at all.

[descendents1]

Teen Idles.

I don't put the crosses on my hands but if I go to a show and get marked I make sure the marks stay for about a week by marking over them. It helps me strike up conversations about music.

[santi3hg]

I know what I don't do and what I do. But I don't need to claim a title to make me something special, or to be part of something.

[team_racket]

I'm not straight edge, but I completely respect their views on life. And as already said, Minor Threat is really the only straight edge I listen to.

word 4 word.

[Liebensaft]

we drank kool-aid when we thirstay

Berfdays usedta be da worst days.

[Hbp]

I also have noticed that a lot of drug users hate straight edgers and find them "annoying" because they don't do drugs (at least around here). And I don't understand that at all.

I don't either. As I said, If we don't force our beliefs on them, why do we continue to have tension besides conflicting opinions?

[Twin Human Highway Flares]

I know what I don't do and what I do. But I don't need to claim a title to make me something special, or to be part of something.

I agree

[Aficionado]

I know what I don't do and what I do. But I don't need to claim a title to make me something special, or to be part of something.

That is exactly what I was saying. Instead I get caught in a flame fest.

[Flagjacket]

That is exactly what I was saying. Instead I get caught in a flame fest.

No, because you said
I respect their message but the way that they trie to convey it is kinda gay, ya know?

[asdf]

Although what I actually believe is people should do things in moderation, every day I feel more and more compelled towards just straightedge. I'm just so sick of seeing people who are constantly intoxicated, and it's really starting to bother me. Before I just let people do whatever they want, but it's bothering me even more.

But I just can't get into the music. I guess I haven't really tried, though.

[Flagjacket]

Although what I actually believe is people should do things in moderation, every day I feel more and more compelled towards just straightedge. I'm just so sick of seeing people who are constantly intoxicated, and it's really starting to bother me. Before I just let people do whatever they want, but it's bothering me even more.


I walk that line a lot, on one side there's a live and let be attitude that I believe in respectful of other decisions, but on the other hand there are people that I care about who make poor decisions. What usually ends up happening is if the person and I have an open enough relationship, I'll talk to them in private because of it.

[asdf]

It just seems like no one I know is responsible with their substance use anymore. My parents are drinking themselves stupid every night now, even when they have work the next morning, some of my friends have smoked themselves stupid, and it's a big accomplishment for any of them to go a day without weed.

And I know that I'd have a lot more friend relationships currently if I did drugs and drank, because a lot of people who were my friends previously, that's pretty much all they do now, so they're never going to invite me to be around them.

And this is why I fear going to Wastern Michigan University.

[Ganondorf]

And I know that I'd have a lot more friend relationships currently if I did drugs and drank, because a lot of people who were my friends previously, that's pretty much all they do now, so they're never going to invite me to be around them.


Same here.

Can someone explain to me the actual rationale behind sXe please?

[Anxious]

When some of my friends got to the point where all they did was hang out to get stoned, they stopped inviting me and we drifted apart. Less friendships of a better quality are better than more friendships where you will be forced to do something you don't want to do. No doubt about it, if you do those kind of things you're going to have a bigger circle of friends though because recreational drugs love company.

[Ganondorf]

That exact same thing is happenign to me, it sucks.

[Flagjacket]

Same here.

Can someone explain to me the actual rationale behind sXe please?

Straight edge began with Minor Threat's song of the same name, expressing a disdain for those who use substances as a "crutch." Since then though, it has evolved into something different, pretty much a subculture on it's own. There's a lot of violence associated with it, but that's a small minority of assholes.

[Ephemeral]

Limp Wrist, anyone?

[Liebensaft]

Limp Wrist are really cool. I like the name a lot too. My band just played with a band called Fruit Punch. Same thing as Limp Wrist, except the tunes weren't quite as gnarly.

[Ephemeral]

Limp Wrist are really cool. I like the name a lot too. My band just played with a band called Fruit Punch. Same thing as Limp Wrist, except the tunes weren't quite as gnarly.

Gayrilla Biscuits are pretty sweet too

[Ganondorf]

Straight edge began with Minor Threat's song of the same name, expressing a disdain for those who use substances as a "crutch." Since then though, it has evolved into something different, pretty much a subculture on it's own. There's a lot of violence associated with it, but that's a small minority of assholes.


Yeah I kinda knew that, was looking for a more specific ideology. So does this mean they don't have caffiene?

[Flagjacket]

Yeah I kinda knew that, was looking for a more specific ideology. So does this mean they don't have caffiene?

Caffeine doesn't ruin lives.

[Ephemeral]

Some don't. Some won't even take medicine.

[Flagjacket]

Some don't. Some won't even take medicine.

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Christian Scientists.

[Ganondorf]

Caffeine doesn't ruin lives.

Tons of stuff can ruin lives, do they not drive because this may result in crashing > paralysis > ruined life?

[Liebensaft]

Drugs don't ruin the lives of everyone who takes them. But...ya know, why risk it?

[shane italian]

Caffeine doesn't ruin lives.

No offense but getting into punk and hardcore has probably ruined its fair share of kids lives, turning everyone into a dead end kid until the age of 35

[Anxious]

Who were retards for buying into it for the first place.

[Ephemeral]

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Christian Scientists.

This is untrue!

[Flagjacket]

Tons of stuff can ruin lives, do they not drive because this may result in crashing > paralysis > ruined life?

I said caffeine doesn't ruin lives, but what I meant was it's also nowhere near as dangerous as something like heroin, meth, or even alcohol. A lot of people hold a perception that those types of substances are essential to having a good time, and to me, straight edge is a way out of that, an alternate lifestyle that I agree with and wish to be a part of.


No offense but getting into punk and hardcore has probably ruined its fair share of kids lives, turning everyone into a dead end kid until the age of 35

I'd bet that those kids would've ruined their lives if they got into Crazy Bones.

[Anarcho Poser]

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Christian Scientists.
or Mormons.

[santi3hg]

No offense but getting into punk and hardcore has probably ruined its fair share of kids lives, turning everyone into a dead end kid until the age of 35

This is incredibly true. Another thing I hate about when people seek to be straight edge or joining in to the straight edge community. I've seen it a lot in my scene where they just grow up and never end up doing anything with their lives. Because they think they are so damn self righteous.

Thats why I don't claim it. Hell, I don't do drugs, don't smoke, or drink. But thats my choice, and there are millions of other americans who do the same. My dad can claim he is ****ing edge. Does he? No, he never was a part of it. You don't need to be, is my point, if you want to live another life.

[Ganondorf]

I said caffeine doesn't ruin lives, but what I meant was it's also nowhere near as dangerous as something like heroin, meth, or even alcohol. A lot of people hold a perception that those types of substances are essential to having a good time, and to me, straight edge is a way out of that, an alternate lifestyle that I agree with and wish to be a part of.




I'd bet that those kids would've ruined their lives if they got into Crazy Bones.

I see the point, but the fact is that you can enjoy all those things in moderation, and to me sXe is the lamest way of limiting yourself and putting yourself into a category. Where I live you have 15/16 year olds claiming they're sXe, I mean what's the point in limiting yourself woth strict rules at such a young age?

[Flagjacket]

I see the point, but the fact is that you can enjoy all those things in moderation, and to me sXe is the lamest way of limiting yourself and putting yourself into a category. Where I live you have 15/16 year olds claiming they're sXe, I mean what's the point in limiting yourself woth strict rules at such a young age?
The "fact" is that those substances are toxic and also brain damaging, and I'd rather not introduce something like that into my body just for fun or for some kind of image in any amount, be it moderate, excessive, or just once.

There' nothing wrong with anyone of any age becoming a part of straight edge. There's no universal "point" to straight edge, it's a diverse community, everyone has their own reasons.

[Hbp]

Some don't. Some won't even take medicine.

Well, I don't take painkillers, and I won't take anti-depressants either, but I think it's mainly those two, with Prescription Anti Biotics being ok. You're also right about caffine, I drink drinks with caffine, but caffine gum, tablets, or any with concentrated caffine is mind altering, therefore having the same affect as certain narcotics.

[Anarcho Poser]

There's a lot of edge kids that are violent jerks and have a holier-than-thou attitude, but there's a whole lot of people who aren't edge with much the same attitude. Some edgers try to push their beliefs on other people, but a lot of people who use drugs and alcohol pressure other people to join them, too.

I've got nothing against edgers. It makes everyone feel better to be part of something bigger, especially when your lifestyle conflicts with that of most of your friends, and they end up ditching you because you don't want to get high with them every night.

[SkaRobotArmy]

I know what I don't do and what I do. But I don't need to claim a title to make me something special, or to be part of something.

exactly. when people start to advertise it with the 'x's and shirts and stuff, it gets stupid. that is fine if you choose not to drink or do drugs, but i don't care. and yea, don't go telling me off for gettin wasted.

and for you edgers, do you take prescriptions or off the shelf drugs like tylenol and stuff? if not, is sXe important to risk your life for it by not taking something?

[asdf]

I don't like taking medicine, but that has nothing to do with straightedge (which I'm not really a part of anyway), that has to do with my own paranoias about medication. However, if I know I need medicine, and it would be risky not to take it, I take it. I just think medication is overperscribed and overused.

[IgniteYourAvail]

I don't like taking medicine, but that has nothing to do with straightedge (which I'm not really a part of anyway), that has to do with my own paranoias about medication. However, if I know I need medicine, and it would be risky not to take it, I take it. I just think medication is overperscribed and overused.

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[Flagjacket]

I take medicine when I need it, and I encourage people to accept medical treatment if needed. The only things I have an issue with are psychiatric pharmaceuticals, but that has nothing to do with straight edge, just a personal opinion.

[Hbp]

I agree, except Painkillers, as I said, are usually frowned apon by Edge morals. I don't know about psychiatric pharmaceuticals, but I think they have basically the same affect as say weed or ectasy, in making you feel better without being mentally fit to work it out yourself.

[Converge#12]

I agree, except Painkillers, as I said, are usually frowned apon by Edge morals. I don't know about psychiatric pharmaceuticals, but I think they have basically the same affect as say weed or ectasy, in making you feel better without being mentally fit to work it out yourself.

Ibuprofin and Asprin, anti bios, caffinated drinks once in a while is how i roll. So like you. I dont get your anti depressant point the point of anti depressents is to make you to be able to work it out not some blindfold. The way i see those and edge is if you have depression or anxiety a chemical or lack there of is already running and chances are ruining your life so fixing it aka taking the right presciription anti depressant is just fixing the problem. Prozac is out of the question though and should be for anyone. I dont take anti depressents but its come up in conversation with friends.

[asdf]

Caffeine controls my life currently, truthfully.

I can't do anything without it. That's what I found out yesterday. I was lazy, and angry, and kept wanting to nap, all because we ran out of pop. I couldn't even bring myself to bike somewhere and buy some, or go get coffee.

I have a problem :(

[santi3hg]

Well I hate taking medicine eitehr way. Like Acetamenophine with Codimine 3 I hate with passion if its more than 300 mg. For the most part I don't get sick and if anything I take ibruprofen to reduce any type of swelling. Medicine I only take if needed.

[shane italian]

I'll take any painkiller I can get my hands on as long as it causes dizziness, drowsiness, or some other awesome side effect.

I just went through half a bottle of promethazine this week and am in need of more hydrocodone.

Meds rule

[Anxious]

Caffeine controls my life currently, truthfully.

I can't do anything without it. That's what I found out yesterday. I was lazy, and angry, and kept wanting to nap, all because we ran out of pop. I couldn't even bring myself to bike somewhere and buy some, or go get coffee.

I have a problem
Same situation, but I don't really have a problem with it. Starting this summer I've made an effort to drink at least 4 cups of coffee per day. It really helps with keep my attention at work and makes everyday life bearable. I'll have a problem when I start school though because I won't be able to maintain the flow of it.

[Hbp]

Ibuprofin and Asprin, anti bios, caffinated drinks once in a while is how i roll. So like you. I dont get your anti depressant point the point of anti depressents is to make you to be able to work it out not some blindfold. The way i see those and edge is if you have depression or anxiety a chemical or lack there of is already running and chances are ruining your life so fixing it aka taking the right presciription anti depressant is just fixing the problem. Prozac is out of the question though and should be for anyone. I dont take anti depressents but its come up in conversation with friends.

Yeah, it's just really my like, own personal edge belief that you don't have to abide by to not break your edge.

[Flagjacket]

Same situation, but I don't really have a problem with it. Starting this summer I've made an effort to drink at least 4 cups of coffee per day. It really helps with keep my attention at work and makes everyday life bearable. I'll have a problem when I start school though because I won't be able to maintain the flow of it.

Have you ever heard of a beer hat?

[Anxious]

Have you ever heard of a beer hat?

yes

[cobert]

These threads never turn out good.

Im down with straight edge bands, I love old youth crew ****. Im not going to ever do drugs or drink, but I dont really think Id call myself straight edge.

[Eliminator]

sippin on some green sizzzurrpp

[Anxious]

Purple Drank

[Ganondorf]

There' nothing wrong with anyone of any age becoming a part of straight edge. There's no universal "point" to straight edge, it's a diverse community, everyone has their own reasons.

Yes there is, especially hwne it's done soley for the chance to mark X on your hands and to make a fashion statement, which is often the case. sXe is really just a way for kids to be ''cool'' by abstaining from substances which ALOT of people abstain from (yet don't feel the need to make a fuss about).

[Converge#12]

Yeah, it's just really my like, own personal edge belief that you don't have to abide by to not break your edge.

I know.
Edit: just sharing mine.

[Converge#12]

Yes there is, especially hwne it's done soley for the chance to mark X on your hands and to make a fashion statement, which is often the case. sXe is really just a way for kids to be ''cool'' by abstaining from substances which ALOT of people abstain from (yet don't feel the need to make a fuss about).

Ive never once heard or seen people using xed up hands as a fashion statement youre full of sh'it.

[RetiredAt21]

Ive never once heard or seen people using xed up hands as a fashion statement youre full of sh'it.

You should come chill in PA. You'd sure as **** see it here.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Yes there is, especially hwne it's done soley for the chance to mark X on your hands and to make a fashion statement, which is often the case. sXe is really just a way for kids to be ''cool'' by abstaining from substances which ALOT of people abstain from (yet don't feel the need to make a fuss about).

You're such a fuc‪king idiot.

[RetiredAt21]

I see fashion edge kids all the time.

[Flagjacket]

Yes there is, especially hwne it's done soley for the chance to mark X on your hands and to make a fashion statement, which is often the case. sXe is really just a way for kids to be ''cool'' by abstaining from substances which ALOT of people abstain from (yet don't feel the need to make a fuss about).

I fail to see how claiming edge makes anyone "cool" in any way, considering the amount of **** I take from other kids on a regular basis because of straight edge, which I'm sure also happens to often to most other people involved with straight edge.

[Hbp]

Same here. I constantly get asked (when I have X's on my hands) what they are. Alot of people call them wierd. It's kindof annoying, but I could care less.

[antihippy]

Same here. I constantly get asked (when I have X's on my hands) what they are. Alot of people call them wierd. It's kindof annoying, but I could care less.

i once played tic tac toe on my hand. fun times.

still couldn't see the point of having X's on your hands. most people probably wouldn't know what they mean, plus quite alot more would probably make fun at you for doing it. just seems pointless.

btw, i straight-edge in the not smoking and non-alcohol way. not really straight edge, but yeah....

[Flagjacket]

still couldn't see the point of having X's on your hands. most people probably wouldn't know what they mean, plus quite alot more would probably make fun at you for doing it. just seems pointless.

btw, i straight-edge in the not smoking and non-alcohol way. not really straight edge, but yeah....

I'm sure you own a tee shirt made by some obscure punk band that most people don't know about, but you wear it still, am I right? Putting Xs on your hands is no different than any other form of visual identification, it's a way for people to look at you, and if they know what's up, they'll see that you're identifying yourself as straight edge.

Ian Mackaye didn't write the rules. Straight edge has never been about adhering to Straight Edge by Minor Threat, it started as something else and has grown as something else. And to say the two are different is wrong, as the lyrics say "Never want to use a crutch." And abstaining from drugs is just that.

[Anxious]

i once played tic tac toe on my hand. fun times.
And with that, the thread is closed.