Nightwish's search is over...

[Steerpike]

http://www.nightwish.com/en/news

Anette Olzon has been revealed as the new singer for Nightwish. The first single for the next album has been revealed, Eva, and three more samples of new songs as well.

Anette reminds me somewhat of Andrea from Lunatica. Not that that's a bad thing, mind you. She has more of what I'd call "attitude" for lack of a better word to her voice than Tarja did. In the sample of 7 Days to the Wolves, she does a great harmony with Marco in the chorus.

Naturally, I'll have to hear the whole album before I can pass judgment, and I am wondering if the album will have its downsides in part because the songs were written before Anette joined. But for the most part I'm very optimistic.

[Shattered_Future]

To be fair, Tarja never contributed a lick to any of the music that Nightwish wrote, so writing the music before she joined doesn't really matter.

I noticed the Lunatica comparison too. I think she lacks power; pretty voice for sure, but it doesn't have that "kick" to it like Tarja's could. She sounds pretty good with the music.

The single leaked, by the way, and it's safe to say that Tuomas hasn't run out of ideas yet. Reminds me a bit of a good version of Kuolema Tekee other word, cept without the Finnish singing. The orchestra is back in full force.

[Steerpike]

To be fair, Tarja never contributed a lick to any of the music that Nightwish wrote, so writing the music before she joined doesn't really matter.

What I mean is that those albums were written with Tarja's vocals specifically in mind. These songs were written before Anette joined the band. I think it's going to be like Iced Earth's The Glorious Burden. Good music, good vocalist, but the circumstances under which it was produced have affected the overall quality.

[Cain]

I like her, she's got a less throaty voice than Tarja did, and I think she would fit very very well on the more folkish and ballad-y songs that Nightwish does. She sounds a bit less comfortable over the heavier stuff, a lot of inflection and not much genuine power. But as she gets to know the band Tuomas will probably write new stuff that plays to her skills.

I think she's a bit hotter than Tarja, too, at least when she's smiling. :) Good stuff, looking forward to it.

I am very curious to see how she handles older Nightwish songs live. Shattered_Future, you gonna be going to the Nokia Theater show later this year?

[Det_Nosnip]

So far, these samples sound terrible. Not only is the new singer boring, but the music also doesn't sound particularly interesting.

Eva sounds like a reject from the latest Within Temptation album.

[TojesDolan]

STILL TO F‪UCKING MANLY FOR MY TASTES

but yeah shes hot

and yeah its all about the musics

anyway...

>_>

[Anglachel]

She doesnt look too bad.

[TojesDolan]

No but I don't know, she still looks too metal.

[Cocaine]

Tarja had an annoying voice anyway, it made Nightwish almost unlistenable for me.

[TojesDolan]

I like Nightwish because they are not cheesy at all.

[Shattered_Future]

I am very curious to see how she handles older Nightwish songs live. Shattered_Future, you gonna be going to the Nokia Theater show later this year?

I'm gonna try my best. I'll sell some organs if I have to.

[Det_Nosnip]

Heh. I was definitetly thinking of going to the show near here....now I'm not too sure. This stuff is laughably bad.

[Steerpike]

I feel like I'm in a shrinking minority of people who's actually going to buy the album before passing judgment.

[Det_Nosnip]

Well...usually when a band profiles samples, they get some of the most interesting, cool parts to showcase the songs and convince people to listen to the whole thing, right? Although the single will often be the most commercial or "poppy" song, it should usually be at least halfway decent, right?

Well, so far I've hated every second of the samples and the single, so why would I, following any rational principles, feel the need to give the album a chance?

[Stoic]

Tarja had an annoying voice anyway, it made Nightwish almost unlistenable for me.

Exactly but this happens with most female vocalists. Except for Tori Amos. And Bonnie Tyler. And other classics :D

I haven't listened to any Lunicatica but she slightly reminds me of the girl in Epica.

[Steerpike]

Well, so far I've hated every second of the samples and the single, so why would I, following any rational principles, feel the need to give the album a chance?

As much as I hated the samples I heard of Trivium, I actually downloaded the whole of Ascendency to see if they could prove me wrong.

They didn't, but it was still more of a chance than a lot of people are giving the new singer.

[Det_Nosnip]

It's not just the singer, though...I also think that the music is terrible. In all elements, "Eva" literally sounds like a later day Within Temptation song, which is as bad a criticism as one could make about a song. :lol:

It sounds to me like they capitalized on the imagined success of "Wish You Were an Angel" and made the new album poppy, catchy, and horribly generic and uninspired.

[Steerpike]

We'll see soon enough. Bear in mind that my original intention was not to single you out. I'm speaking more of the general attitude I've noticed floating around the net. A lot of people seem to have made up their minds about the new album the same day they learned Tarja was fired.

[Cain]

^^^^ This.

I am a Nightwish fan so I'm gonna buy the album regardless of whether I don't like what I've heard of thirty seconds each of four songs off it. Frankly it doesn't sound all that different from the stuff off of "Once."

I hate that whole "I'm a Knicks fan when they win" kind of an attitude about music. I got Dream Theater's Systematic Chaos even though I thought that ToT and Octavarium were pretty terrible. It's because I like Dream Theater. I know they have good music in them. Same thing with Nightwish.

Besides, I like the new singer. She does sound Within Temptation-y, but where Within Temptation has a laughably bad command of the gothic metal sound I know from experience that Nightwish is one of its tightest practitioners. So yeah. The album deserves a chance.

[Steerpike]

Personally, I think the album after this will be much tighter because Anette will have had time to bond with the rest of the band and Tuomas will be writing songs specifically for her voice.

[antihippy]

don;t mind them, and the new singer is pretty good too. tarja is more operatic, but the new singer has a much sweeter voice.

[alonmias]

Tell you the truth, as much as I like Nightwish's music, this whole "Who's the new girl in town" **** is is pissing me off, This feels like a pop thing more than anything else, who gives a crap who that girl is? let them release the album and we'll see if it sucks or not..

I hate these stupid media tricks..

[Shattered_Future]

Ok, I listened to the heavier stuff, and to tell you the truth, I don't like it as much. Annete's voice doesn't fit as well with it as Tarja's did.

Marco is still beastly as ever though. :D

[Det_Nosnip]

^^^^ This.

I am a Nightwish fan so I'm gonna buy the album regardless of whether I don't like what I've heard of thirty seconds each of four songs off it. Frankly it doesn't sound all that different from the stuff off of "Once."
Meh...it sounds alot different to me. "Once" had this huge, epic feel to it...this sounds like the soundtrack to a Disney movie.

I hate that whole "I'm a Knicks fan when they win" kind of an attitude about music. I got Dream Theater's Systematic Chaos even though I thought that ToT and Octavarium were pretty terrible. It's because I like Dream Theater. I know they have good music in them. Same thing with Nightwish.
Wait...so you'll listen to music that you don't like, simply because it's written by an artist you've liked in the past? That sounds, quite frankly, kinda dumb.

Besides, I like the new singer. She does sound Within Temptation-y, but where Within Temptation has a laughably bad command of the gothic metal sound I know from experience that Nightwish is one of its tightest practitioners. So yeah. The album deserves a chance.
Nightwish have never been gothic metal...:confused:

Within Temptation was, historically, one of the most important gothic metal bands...the "Enter" album was incredibly groundbreaking and they put out several quality works before dropping the grunts and making pop music. So, no...don't give me that "oh, they've made great albums in the past, therefore they're bound to continue making great ones" line. Artists fall all of the time. That can be summed up with two words: Load, Reload.

[Shattered_Future]

Eh, you know, I still like Eva. The compositions sound quite cool, and I love the fact that Tuomas actually has real horns instead of MIDI ones that so many bands use.

[Kage]

Who is Marco?

[Shattered_Future]

The bassist. He also does the male vocals.

You probably won't like him, but I dunno. He's got one of those powerful classic metal esque voices, but he sounds like he's got some training behind it.

Imagine the guy from Kamelot if he actually had balls.

[Kage]

Well I've heard Nightwish many times before and I hate the male vocals so that's that.

I don't have any interest in them at all anymore.

[pate]

Imagine the guy from Kamelot if he actually had balls.

You take that back.

[Steerpike]

Wait...so you'll listen to music that you don't like, simply because it's written by an artist you've liked in the past? That sounds, quite frankly, kinda dumb.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was saying, and I agree, that making bad albums does not mean that a band cannot ever produce another good album. Case in point: Celtic Frost, Bad Religion, Judas Priest, and Running Wild all produced some pretty poor albums at some point in their careers but they managed to release comeback albums after they got out of whatever slump they were in.

Artists fall all of the time. That can be summed up with two words: Load, Reload.

Metallica always sucked, what are you talking about? They just somehow managed to suck harder in the 90's.

[Det_Nosnip]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was saying, and I agree, that making bad albums does not mean that a band cannot ever produce another good album. Case in point: Celtic Frost, Bad Religion, Judas Priest, and Running Wild all produced some pretty poor albums at some point in their careers but they managed to release comeback albums after they got out of whatever slump they were in.
That isn't the case here. Nightwish hasn't released a bad album yet (although I suppose Angels Fall First wasn't terrific)...they're just about to. I'm not going to assume that I will like the album just because I've liked what they've done in the past, especially when the single and samples are so god-awful.

I like to at least try to approach each new release as if it were released by a band that I had never heard of before. By that system, the "Nightwish" of the forthcoming album is a group that doesn't interest me in the slightest bit.


Metallica always sucked, what are you talking about? They just somehow managed to suck harder in the 90's. :rolleyes: You get the point.

[Steerpike]

I like to at least try to approach each new release as if it were released by a band that I had never heard of before. By that system, the "Nightwish" of the forthcoming album is a group that doesn't interest me in the slightest bit.

I'm optimistic enough that I'll buy the album. On the off-chance that it turns out I don't like it, pfft. There's always eBay.

[Shattered_Future]

You take that back.

Dude, Khan's got a good voice, but it's NOT manly in the least.

[PepsiMetal]

I didn't enjoy Nightwish with Tarja, and it doesn't look like I'll enjoy them with this new vocalist. The vocals just don't fit for me. :(

[pate]

Dude, Khan's got a good voice, but it's NOT manly in the least.

He's manlier than you.

[Det_Nosnip]

Eh, SF has a point. I never liked Kamelot anyways, though.

[Shattered_Future]

I love Kamelot (I think they're one of the best US metal bands), but Khan just doesn't have any balls to his voice.

Lee, don't make me unleash the chest hair. :mad:

[Cain]

Wait...so you'll listen to music that you don't like, simply because it's written by an artist you've liked in the past? That sounds, quite frankly, kinda dumb.

No, it just means that I'm optomistic about the possibility of a new album not sucking so badly especially if every album before that has been plenty good in Nightwish's case. I'd say it's even stupider to jump ship just because of what you hear from a few samples. For one thing, last.fm recommended me Within Temptation once and I bought Mother Earth based on the samples I heard because they sounded ****ing great, and look how that turned out.

Nightwish have never been gothic metal...:confused:

Fine, whatever the hell they are. Power metal except dressing up in black and white. I'm not about to quibble over genre classification.

Within Temptation was, historically, one of the most important gothic metal bands...the "Enter" album was incredibly groundbreaking and they put out several quality works before dropping the grunts and making pop music. So, no...don't give me that "oh, they've made great albums in the past, therefore they're bound to continue making great ones" line. Artists fall all of the time. That can be summed up with two words: Load, Reload.

If the second album with the new singer sucks, and this one sucks, then fine, we can then assume that Nightwish is on a decline. It's just pretty lame that you're freaking out over a few samples. Smacks of a self-fulfilling prophecy in my case, since you had an ear for judging the new singer before you even heard the music in context.

You don't even know what the whole album will sound like. All I'm saying is wait and see and give it a chance instead of being one of hundreds of tools that already decided that the new singer was going to suck compared to Tarja before they even found one. Would you have preferred a soundalike? Would anything radically different from Tarja's style have sounded "right" to you? If not, then you owe it that much more to give it a chance, because you might just be hitting against preconcieved notions.

[pleetf]

Suggesting that wt is a more important/ influential goth band than nightwish is complete rubbish.. wt seems to be more influenced by the pop movement.. who cannot agree that "what have you done" is clearly a single with no other purpose than to ring a bell with those who listen to evanescence? "Enter" and "mother nature" were influencial goth albums.. yes.. but surely not SF and heart of everything.. wt sure stooped low in those albums.. yes, maybe the new singer in NW is really contemporary, but the muscial themes composed by tuomas are surely still as influencial and inspirational...

[Det_Nosnip]

*sigh* You missed the point. My point was that Nightwish is not a goth metal band!! Yes, they have a female singer and rely heavily on synths/orchestra...but musically and stylistically, they are closer to power metal than gothic metal.

No, it just means that I'm optomistic about the possibility of a new album not sucking so badly especially if every album before that has been plenty good in Nightwish's case. I'd say it's even stupider to jump ship just because of what you hear from a few samples. For one thing, last.fm recommended me Within Temptation once and I bought Mother Earth based on the samples I heard because they sounded ****ing great, and look how that turned out.
It's not just samples...it's also a really, really, really bad single. Granted, "Wish I had an Angel" wasn't the greatest, but the main single from "Once" was "Nemo," which was incredible.



Fine, whatever the hell they are. Power metal except dressing up in black and white. I'm not about to quibble over genre classification.
Ok. Too bad somebody else took up the flag, though. :lol:


If the second album with the new singer sucks, and this one sucks, then fine, we can then assume that Nightwish is on a decline. It's just pretty lame that you're freaking out over a few samples. Smacks of a self-fulfilling prophecy in my case, since you had an ear for judging the new singer before you even heard the music in context.


Huh? I listened to the entire track of "Eva" and liked not a second of it...you DO know that the single is out, right?

You don't even know what the whole album will sound like.
True, but again: when a band picks singles and samples, they generally go for the most interesting stuff in order to entice people to listen. Granted, they'll also go for the most user-friendly or commercial, but it stands to reason that at least ONE of the samples should be decent.

All I'm saying is wait and see and give it a chance instead of being one of hundreds of tools that already decided that the new singer was going to suck compared to Tarja before they even found one.
I was doubtful, yes, but I definitetly didn't dismiss her off hand before listening. After all, there are literally thousands of extremely talented singers in Europe, and being a successful band, Nightwish had the pick of the lot.

Of course, I DID start to worry when I read Nightwish's ad demanding a picture as well as an audio sample (the latter being almost an after thought) with the underlying premise "We care more about what you look like than what you sound like," but even so...

Would you have preferred a soundalike? Yes.

Would anything radically different from Tarja's style have sounded "right" to you? Sure. Floor Jansen from After Forever could have nailed any of those parts and blown Tarja out of the water..but then, she'd be an idiot to leave After Forever, as they're a much better band.


If not, then you owe it that much more to give it a chance, because you might just be hitting against preconcieved notions.

No, I'm just not going to give credit where it's not due. I'm not going to ignore blatantly poor musicianship just because I happen to like the band...

It's not that I overtly dislike Anette...she's a decent singer. I just don't think that she fits Nightwish very well. I'm also not impressed with the new material musically...I think I'd still have a problem with it, even if it was Tarja singing.

[Steerpike]

Granted, they'll also go for the most user-friendly or commercial,

Well, there you go! I never go by singles as a litmus test anymore because it's unreliable.

Yes.

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose?

[Det_Nosnip]

No...

Tarja left purely due to personal reasons...and I think she stayed as long as she did because musically, her voice suited Nightwish perfectly. Kind of a "man, I really hate you, but we make great music together, so let's tough it out" sort of approach akin to Stewart Copeland and Sting in the Police, etc. It would be one thing if Tarja left because of musical differences, but that wasn't the case.

The age old maxim applies: If it Ain't Broke, Why Fix It?

I feel like this whole "finding a new singer" business has been ridiculously over-hyped and lame. After all...when has this ever really worked? Bringing an inexperienced, young singer into an established band is a recipe for disaster...they will always be on unequal footing. I can't think of a single instance where a band has done this and actually succeeded. What happens when Anette has a musical conflict with Tuomas? Gee...I wonder who's going to win THAT arguement. :rolleyes:
She's always going to be seen as "the lucky girl who got a break."

[Benzum]

I'm looking forward to hearing the album from start to finish.

The samples I've sound sound excellent

[Steerpike]

No...

Tarja left purely due to personal reasons...and I think she stayed as long as she did because musically, her voice suited Nightwish perfectly. Kind of a "man, I really hate you, but we make great music together, so let's tough it out" sort of approach akin to Stewart Copeland and Sting in the Police, etc. It would be one thing if Tarja left because of musical differences, but that wasn't the case.

The age old maxim applies: If it Ain't Broke, Why Fix It?

The music was already moving away from the operatic sounds of the early albums, so it's not as if there wasn't any evolution going on.

But seriously, if you're going to hire a new singer, why get a clone of the previous one? Shouldn't this be looked on as an opportunity? The Misfits pounded out some great tunes with Michale Graves despite the fact that he has very little in common with Glenn Danzig. John Bush is very different from Joey Belladonna, Ripper Owens is certainly not a Matt Barlow clone, and Nils Johansson is nothing like Kristian Andren.

Why not take the chance to do something different?

I feel like this whole "finding a new singer" business has been ridiculously over-hyped and lame. After all...when has this ever really worked?

Yes, but I think for a different reason. It was unfortunate it happened, but the fans are making this out to be a bigger event than September 11th, which is just insane.

As for when it works, well, I listed examples above.

I can't think of a single instance where a band has done this and actually succeeded.

Depends on how you define success.

What happens when Anette has a musical conflict with Tuomas? Gee...I wonder who's going to win THAT arguement. :rolleyes:

If that happens, it happens. Life will go on.

She's always going to be seen as "the lucky girl who got a break."

Which is really an unfair dismissal. Especially considering the new album isn't even out yet.

[Benzum]

I agree

Tarja left purely due to personal reasons

Umm I thought the rest of the band didn't want her in and literally broke the news to her after they filmed the live DVD?

[Shattered_Future]

Yeah, she didn't technically LEAVE. She got fired.

Sure, maybe her voice isn't as good as it could be with the music, but I still see nothing wrong with the music (both the samples and the single). The rest of the band is still on top of their game, the orchestra is put to full use, and Marco is still cranking out terrific vocal parts.

However, I do think it would have been more beneficial if they picked up a more classically trained operatic singer, or even somebody like Floor Jansen who could do both. Annete just seems kinda...skimpy. Her voice doesn't have that "wow" factor to it that many other singers do.

[Nostalgia]

Tarja left purely due to personal reasons...

I didn't know it was a personal reason of hers to be told to get the **** out.

[Det_Nosnip]

Dear lord you guys are inane!! :rolleyes:

Yes, Tarja was fired. Why was she fired?

-For purely personal reasons.

Hence...my point. She wasn't fired because the other band members didn't think she could sing or because they thought her singing didn't suite Nightwish...in fact, her singing was probably why she stayed as long as she did despite personal problems that clearly stretch back for many years between her and the band.

The music was already moving away from the operatic sounds of the early albums, so it's not as if there wasn't any evolution going on.
*listens to Ghost Love Score* Yeah, I agree fully...oh wait, no...

The operatic element was not going away...they were simply experimenting with a different style. Even the horrible re-make of Sleeping Sun still kept the operatic chorus...because it's a crucial element of Nightwish's sound. The operatic vocals matched Tuomas' strong Romantic influences and gave the band a power and energy not found in most similar groups.

But seriously, if you're going to hire a new singer, why get a clone of the previous one?
Why not?

Shouldn't this be looked on as an opportunity?
No. An opportunity for what? Mediocrity? :rolleyes:

The Misfits pounded out some great tunes with Michale Graves despite the fact that he has very little in common with Glenn Danzig.
*shrug* I don't listen to the Misfits.

John Bush is very different from Joey Belladonna,
Who?
Ripper Owens is certainly not a Matt Barlow clone,
Yeah, and Iced Earth are doing GREAT now..:rolleyes: Please...Matt Barlow made that band.
and Nils Johansson is nothing like Kristian Andren. Who?

Whoever the hell INXS picked wasn't like Michael Hutchinson...yeah that one worked great. Oh wait...

Iron Maiden were great without Bruce Dickinson!! Oh...wait...

Black Sabbath were just as successful without Ozzy! Oh...wait...


Why not take the chance to do something different?
Because...honestly, Nightwish is not the type of band to pull something like that off well.


Yes, but I think for a different reason. It was unfortunate it happened, but the fans are making this out to be a bigger event than September 11th, which is just insane.
The band purposefully and intentionally fed that. Everything about this has been one giant publicity stunt...from the public letter telling Tarja she was fired to this...please. :rolleyes:

As for when it works, well, I listed examples above.

I didn't see any examples of it working...



Depends on how you define success.
Creating something memoriable.


If that happens, it happens. Life will go on.



Which is really an unfair dismissal. Especially considering the new album isn't even out yet.

It's inevitable.

[Steerpike]

*listens to Ghost Love Score* Yeah, I agree fully...oh wait, no...

The operatic element was not going away...they were simply experimenting with a different style. Even the horrible re-make of Sleeping Sun still kept the operatic chorus...because it's a crucial element of Nightwish's sound. The operatic vocals matched Tuomas' strong Romantic influences and gave the band a power and energy not found in most similar groups.

I didn't say they were getting rid of the Classical influences, merely that they were moving away from the purist sound of their earliest albums and experimenting more.

Why not?
No. An opportunity for what? Mediocrity? :rolleyes:

There's a line between skepticism and cynicism.

*shrug* I don't listen to the Misfits.

Nobody's perfect.

Who?

Anthrax.

Yeah, and Iced Earth are doing GREAT now..:rolleyes: Please...Matt Barlow made that band.

Hey, I like Glorious Burden. And I want to hear the new album too.

Who?

Wuthering Heights.

Whoever the hell INXS picked wasn't like Michael Hutchinson...yeah that one worked great. Oh wait...

I never cared for INXS.

Iron Maiden were great without Bruce Dickinson!! Oh...wait...

While X Factor and Virtual XI weren't Maiden's best albums, I maintain that Blayze was seriously underrated.

Black Sabbath were just as successful without Ozzy! Oh...wait...

Dio years ****ing ruled. I don't care what anybody says.

Because...honestly, Nightwish is not the type of band to pull something like that off well.

Considering the only other line-up change they had was the one that introduced Marco to the fold, it's not like we have a lot of ground to go on yet.

The band purposefully and intentionally fed that. Everything about this has been one giant publicity stunt...from the public letter telling Tarja she was fired to this...please. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and I knew better to buy into the hype. If people can't learn to take publicity with a grain of salt, it's their own damn problem.

I didn't see any examples of it working...

That's because your taste in music is inferior to mine.
/sits in elitist corner

Creating something memoriable.

Whatever happened to just making a good album? Darkest of the Hillside Thickets will never get signed to a major lable and tour the world, but I still like them.

It's inevitable.

Again, there's a fine line between skepticism and cynicism.

[Shattered_Future]

Yeah, to be perfectly honest, I've never seen a band become better when they get a new singer.

Unless you're The Gathering.

Which you're not.

I'd rather an opera singer than the one they have now, quite frankly.

[Steerpike]

Yeah, to be perfectly honest, I've never seen a band become better when they get a new singer.

Wuthering Heights anybody?

Not necessarily better, but Savatage switched vocalists half-way into their carreer and made albums like Edge of Thorns and Wake of Magellan. Kind of a lateral movement for my money, though empirically speaking Zack was the better vocalist.

[Blashyrkh]

All bands to get new singers hardly do good. Queen and Paul Rogers...........Anthrax and Corey Taylor?? WTF MAN..... Mayhem and Atilla win.

[Steerpike]

Anthrax and Corey Taylor??

That's not even confirmed, but I love how everyone is completely forgetting John Bush's contributions.

EDIT: Almost forgot about Ensiferum. Victory Songs is awesome.

[Det_Nosnip]

Yeah, to be perfectly honest, I've never seen a band become better when they get a new singer.

Unless you're The Gathering.
Even so...my hopes aren't exactly high for the post Anneke Gathering world. :(


I'd rather an opera singer than the one they have now, quite frankly.

Yeah...

[Det_Nosnip]

I didn't say they were getting rid of the Classical influences, merely that they were moving away from the purist sound of their earliest albums and experimenting more.


Right, but "experimenting more" doesn't mean dropping a huge part of their sound completely.


There's a line between skepticism and cynicism.
You're right...and it's crossed by being repeatedly let down.


Nobody's perfect.
Least of all the Misfits.


Anthrax.

OH.
...
Right...
...
...
Well, if you suck that badly to begin with, getting a new singer couldn't hurt I suppose...


Hey, I like Glorious Burden.
You're a member of a very exclusive minority, my friend. :D


Wuthering Heights.
Who?


I never cared for INXS.
They're better than the Misfits. :p


While X Factor and Virtual XI weren't Maiden's best albums, I maintain that Blayze was seriously underrated.
Oh. :eek:


Dio years ****ing ruled. I don't care what anybody says.
Evidently...and that's why we love you. :)


Considering the only other line-up change they had was the one that introduced Marco to the fold, it's not like we have a lot of ground to go on yet.
Yeah, but Marco replaced an inaudible bassist...not exactly like replacing the lead singer who, let's not kid ourselves, was the focus of the band. Also, Marco was a seasoned veteran who had already made quite a name for himself, unlike the "who the ****?" Anette.


Yeah, and I knew better to buy into the hype. If people can't learn to take publicity with a grain of salt, it's their own damn problem.



That's because your taste in music is inferior to mine.
/sits in elitist corner

Says the man who likes Blaze era Maiden.


Whatever happened to just making a good album? Darkest of the Hillside Thickets will never get signed to a major lable and tour the world, but I still like them.

Yes, but Darkest of the Hillside Thickets isn't Nightwish.


Again, there's a fine line between skepticism and cynicism.

Yeah, but Sean Malone proved that being a Cynic isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Whale and Wasp]

i dont really like nightwish in general. operatic singing, powermetal, orchestras, synthesizers.....doesnt matter, it sounds like generic repetitive boring crap

[Steerpike]

Right, but "experimenting more" doesn't mean dropping a huge part of their sound completely.

Edguy did.

I'll grant you that a lot of bands sucked after making huge line-up changes. But it's not like a law of time and space that it has to be for the worst.

You're right...and it's crossed by being repeatedly let down.

Should I assume you didn't like Once?

Least of all the Misfits.

There will be no speaking ill of the 'Fits in my presence.

OH.
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Right...
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Well, if you suck that badly to begin with, getting a new singer couldn't hurt I suppose...

You're a member of a very exclusive minority, my friend. :D

Who?

Philistine.

They're better than the Misfits. :p

Oh. :eek:

I'm dead serious. I really don't think people gave Blaze enough credit. They just hated him because he wasn't Bruce.

Evidently...and that's why we love you. :)

I can't be held responsible for Dio being the supreme being.

Yeah, but Marco replaced an inaudible bassist...not exactly like replacing the lead singer who, let's not kid ourselves, was the focus of the band. Also, Marco was a seasoned veteran who had already made quite a name for himself, unlike the "who the ****?" Anette.

Marco is a highly experienced musician and performer, yes. But Tarot is one of the most consistently underrated bands in modern metal and they only started to recieve more press because of Marco working with Nightwish, and to a lesser extent Sinergy.

Anyway, it's not as if Anette has no experience in the industry. I think she deserves a chance to prove herself.

Yes, but Darkest of the Hillside Thickets isn't Nightwish.

Neither are any of the other bands I mentioned. But my point stands.

Yeah, but Sean Malone proved that being a Cynic isn't the worst thing in the world.

Touche. How about pessimist, then?

[Det_Nosnip]

i dont really like nightwish in general. operatic singing, powermetal, orchestras, synthesizers.....doesnt matter, it sounds like generic repetitive boring crap

Ok...but why are you posting here? :confused:

[pleetf]

DT did perfectly fine with labrie.. give anette some time.. her interchanges with marco are certainly pleasant to the ears yes?

[Det_Nosnip]

Edguy did.

I'll grant you that a lot of bands sucked after making huge line-up changes. But it's not like a law of time and space that it has to be for the worst.
Right...I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying that it happens to be the case now. :)


Should I assume you didn't like Once?
No, no no...I loved it. I've just seen very many great bands fall into mediocrity...through lineup changes, haircuts, etc.


There will be no speaking ill of the 'Fits in my presence.
Fair enough.


Philistine.

They're better than the Misfits. :p
*shrug* Not saying much...
Oh, come on...you left yourself wide open for that one.


I'm dead serious. I really don't think people gave Blaze enough credit. They just hated him because he wasn't Bruce.
And why was that?

...Because Bruce was an integral part of Iron Maiden. Sure, Blaze may have been able to sing decently, but it just...didn't feel right. The magic wasn't there.


I can't be held responsible for Dio being the supreme being.

lol.


Marco is a highly experienced musician and performer, yes. But Tarot is one of the most consistently underrated bands in modern metal and they only started to recieve more press because of Marco working with Nightwish, and to a lesser extent Sinergy.
He was established, especially in his home country of Finland. It's not like he was hired and everybody went "who the **** is that?!" If anything, Marco was more experienced in the industry than the rest of the band!

Anyway, it's not as if Anette has no experience in the industry.
Oh, come on! ABBA cover bands don't count. :p
source: http://www.nightwish.com/en/article/8

I think she deserves a chance to prove herself. Ok...but why does it have to be with Nightwish?



Neither are any of the other bands I mentioned. But my point stands.
*sigh* No...no it doesn't. I'm sorry, my friend. :)


Touche. How about pessimist, then?

Realist?

[Det_Nosnip]

DT did perfectly fine with labrie.. give anette some time.. her interchanges with marco are certainly pleasant to the ears yes?

No...sorry. What does James Labrie have to do with it? If he joined DT later, he didn't replace anyone important...only real changes DT ever had were keyboard players, and people still bitch about that.

[Steerpike]

Oh, come on...you left yourself wide open for that one.

Perhaps. Doesn't make you less of a philistine. I mean what's next? Are you going to tell me you have no idea who Megadeth are? ;)

And why was that?

...Because Bruce was an integral part of Iron Maiden. Sure, Blaze may have been able to sing decently, but it just...didn't feel right. The magic wasn't there.

Those could hardly be considered Maiden's best albums. But that doesn't change the fact that they had a lot of good qualities to them as well that are often overshadowed by people bitching about Blaze.

Whenever I hear an almost unanimous opinion about something, I know that there's more going on and decide to check it out myself. And I'm always right in that regard.

He was established, especially in his home country of Finland. It's not like he was hired and everybody went "who the **** is that?!" If anything, Marco was more experienced in the industry than the rest of the band!

Very true. But wouldn't it be fair to say that his experience contibuted to their success?

Oh, come on! ABBA cover bands don't count. :p
source: http://www.nightwish.com/en/article/8

She still has experiences performing and gigging. And you say ABBA like it's a bad thing. :p

Besides, everybody's gotta start somewhere. Edguy were a high school band playing Deep Purple and Helloween covers. Somehow, they survived graduation and started writing their own songs.

Ok...but why does it have to be with Nightwish?

Well, assuming you're correct, it's not like it matters. Seeing as it's inevitable that she'll only last one album before she leaves/is fired and they get a different vocalist.

Assuming you're wrong and she does prove herself, then it's still a non-issue.

I would attribute my mellowness to this whole thing to the weed I smoked but, uh... I don't have any.

*sigh* No...no it doesn't. I'm sorry, my friend. :)

The hell you are.

Realist?

We'll stick with cynic. The realists are the ambivalent ones who still plan to buy the album. I'm fairly optimistic, but I've been wrong before...

[Shattered_Future]

When did Edguy ever start experimenting? :confused:

[Steerpike]

When did Edguy ever start experimenting? :confused:

Compare Rocket Ride with Savage Poetry. Hellfire Club with Mandrake. You can't tell me they aren't evolving and experimenting.

[Shattered_Future]

Hellfire Club and Mandrake sound like the EXACT SAME STYLE to me. Maybe Hellfire Club is a bit faster, but other than that they both still possess that power metal vibe.

[Steerpike]

Hellfire Club and Mandrake sound like the EXACT SAME STYLE to me. Maybe Hellfire Club is a bit faster, but other than that they both still possess that power metal vibe.

Mandrake was more symphonic than Hellfire Club, which had a much more stripped-down vibe. They also more obviously wore their influences on their sleeves in Hellfire Club. Mandrake showed their move toward the current sound, but it only hinted at what was to come on Hellfire Club.

And for anybody to say that Rocket Ride wasn't an experimental album would be not only wrong, but also an indication of deafness and possible mercury-induced retardation.

[shadowswithin]

No...sorry. What does James Labrie have to do with it? If he joined DT later, he didn't replace anyone important...only real changes DT ever had were keyboard players, and people still bitch about that.

thats cause kevin moores lead patch was more orgasmic than rudess's :p

anyway ill get the album when it comes out before i say anything bad about the new vocalist.

[Det_Nosnip]

And for anybody to say that Rocket Ride wasn't an experimental album would be not only wrong, but also an indication of deafness and possible mercury-induced retardation.

Unfortunately, that same person would probably say that the new Nightwish sounds promising.

Perhaps. Doesn't make you less of a philistine. I mean what's next? Are you going to tell me you have no idea who Megadeth are?
Were. I refuse to acknowledge the Dave Mustaine fronted Megadeth cover band as the real thing. :mad:

Those could hardly be considered Maiden's best albums. But that doesn't change the fact that they had a lot of good qualities to them as well that are often overshadowed by people bitching about Blaze.
Yeah, they might've even been worth listening to if Dickinson were there. :)

Whenever I hear an almost unanimous opinion about something, I know that there's more going on and decide to check it out myself. And I'm always right in that regard.
You're right...Hitler WAS a sensetive man. Maybe we were overreacting about the whole Holocaust thing...



Very true. But wouldn't it be fair to say that his experience contibuted to their success?
Definitetly. If they had gone with someone equally experienced, I would have been all for it.



She still has experiences performing and gigging.
So do I, but I wouldn't exactly call myself qualified to join Nightwish...
And you say ABBA like it's a bad thing. :p
[/quote] Don't even go there...

Besides, everybody's gotta start somewhere. Edguy were a high school band playing Deep Purple and Helloween covers. Somehow, they survived graduation and started writing their own songs.
Yes...NIGHTWISH started somewhere...but they've already started. Throwing fresh meat into the mix is just stupid.


Well, assuming you're correct, it's not like it matters. Seeing as it's inevitable that she'll only last one album before she leaves/is fired and they get a different vocalist.
Yeah...but you can only do that so many times before people finally say "enough, already!"

Assuming you're wrong and she does prove herself, then it's still a non-issue.
Depends upon your definition of "proving herself." She could "prove herself" to the band and still sound horrible to everbody else. Kudos to them, but I'm still not going to listen to it. Or, she could "prove herself" to random people like you and be another Blaze. :p

I would attribute my mellowness to this whole thing to the weed I smoked but, uh... I don't have any.
I'm sorry?


The hell you are.
Tsk Tsk...what happened to the mellowness?


We'll stick with cynic.
They make a better band name.
The realists are the ambivalent ones who still plan to buy the album.
No! They are the sheep! Sheep, goddamnit! SHEEEEPPP!!!
I'm fairly optimistic, but I've been wrong before...
Enough about Blaze!

[Steerpike]

Unfortunately, that same person would probably say that the new Nightwish sounds promising.

Now what? What's wrong with Rocket Ride?

You're right...Hitler WAS a sensetive man. Maybe we were overreacting about the whole Holocaust thing...

It's not a complete thread without somebody putting words in my mouth to make a joke.

Definitetly. If they had gone with someone equally experienced, I would have been all for it.

So isn't it possible that the same way Marco helped them, the band in general can help Anette?

So do I, but I wouldn't exactly call myself qualified to join Nightwish...

Nor do a lot of other people, but I don't see why everyone's personal reasons are relevant.

Don't even go there...

You brought it up.

Yes...NIGHTWISH started somewhere...but they've already started. Throwing fresh meat into the mix is just stupid.

We'll know for certain in September, won't we?

Yeah...but you can only do that so many times before people finally say "enough, already!"

Fair enough.

Depends upon your definition of "proving herself." She could "prove herself" to the band and still sound horrible to everbody else. Kudos to them, but I'm still not going to listen to it. Or, she could "prove herself" to random people like you and be another Blaze. :p

To clarify, she could prove herself an adept vocalist and capable of making good music with the group.

Still, you don't want to buy the album, so it's kind of a moot point.

I'm sorry?

Tsk Tsk...what happened to the mellowness?

When I feel sick late at night, I'm not very good at making sense. Then again, I'm not very good at that in general.

They make a better band name.

True.

No! They are the sheep! Sheep, goddamnit! SHEEEEPPP!!!

Thank you, William Shatner.

Enough about Blaze!

You're the one that brought it up.

[Det_Nosnip]

Now what? What's wrong with Rocket Ride?
Nothing...I was referring to the deafness and mental retardation. :p


It's not a complete thread without somebody putting words in my mouth to make a joke.
Agreed.


So isn't it possible that the same way Marco helped them, the band in general can help Anette?
Probably, but it would be better if they had found somebody who could help THEM.


Nor do a lot of other people, but I don't see why everyone's personal reasons are relevant.
She's inexperienced and stepping into shoes waaay too big for her to fill.


You brought it up.
As an example of how Anette is not suited for Nightwish.


We'll know for certain in September, won't we?
Likely alot sooner...gotta love leaks. :)


Fair enough.



To clarify, she could prove herself an adept vocalist and capable of making good music with the group.

Still, you don't want to buy the album, so it's kind of a moot point.
Well, at this point I probably wouldn't buy it even if I liked it...I'm what the laymen like to call "****ing broke." Much better albums have been released that I sadly have not been able to purchase. Like After Forever's new one, for example.


When I feel sick late at night, I'm not very good at making sense. Then again, I'm not very good at that in general.
Ok.


Thank you, William Shatner.
Eek.


You're the one that brought it up.
*sigh* Nevermind. :)

[Steerpike]

Probably, but it would be better if they had found somebody who could help THEM.

Possibly. But it's not something I plan on losing any sleep over one way or another.

She's inexperienced and stepping into shoes waaay too big for her to fill.

As an example of how Anette is not suited for Nightwish.

See above.

Likely alot sooner...gotta love leaks. :)

True enough.

Well, at this point I probably wouldn't buy it even if I liked it...I'm what the laymen like to call "****ing broke." Much better albums have been released that I sadly have not been able to purchase. Like After Forever's new one, for example.

Okay, I'll give you that.

[Det_Nosnip]

Cool.

I win.

[Steerpike]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

While I'm thinking of it, sell blood if you have to in order to get After Forever's self-titled.

[Det_Nosnip]

Yeah, that might be a good idea. Or, at the very least, I'll shell out some of my hard earned money at the heavy metal store here in town. That's one hell of an album.

[Shattered_Future]

You both know how I feel about it. :p

I gotta find it somewhere...

EDIT: Screw Amazon and its $45 Japanese import. :mad: