Bill Clinton

[apple pie]

So we all know about how when Bill Clinton was in office the economy was good, and he created new jobs and had a low employmet rate. However with the Monika Lewinsky scandle few people, myself included know what else he did bad because it was kinda pushed asisde by the scandle. So would someone like to inform me some of his faults.

[ringworm]

He let Osama bin Laden get away

He had multiple people killed

he lied about a simple BJ




:)




pls note sarcasm was intended

[apple pie]

yah think?

[Interviewer/surveyer]

So we all know about how when Bill Clinton was in office the economy was good, and he created new jobs and had a low employmet rate. However with the Monika Lewinsky scandle few people, myself included know what else he did bad because it was kinda pushed asisde by the scandle. So would someone like to inform me some of his faults.

If defense to Bill, I don't think he did a bad job. He did commit purgery, but the country was not on shaky ground. George Bush inherited a recession, and 9/11, which is one of the tougher presidencies to work with than any other president had. (Lincoln and Roosevelt obviously had it harder, to name a few) I however don't think Bush has done bad with our economy, its hanging in there with all of our troubles over the last 6 years, but I think he failed with the Iraq war, and if things don't get cleaned up quick, he'll be known as possibly our worst president of all time.

[griftadan]

He let Osama bin Laden get away

technically he couldn't of done anything because hte saudis refused to take him in, and he wouldn't have been able to be convicted in our own courts. his hands were tied.

[ringworm]

dont forget my sarcasm :)


not that i like the guy, but those reasons are just the ones you usually hear about Billy Boy

[Iskandar]

He was a great president, actually, as American politics goes. I didn't agree with his aggression against Iraq.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

If you want criticism of his foreign/domestic policy, listen to pretty much any song by Rage Against the Machine :).


I saw Tom Morello interviewed a few days ago and he seemed to find it pretty funny/infuriating how much his band complained about Clinton given the jackass who's in power now.

[Mr. Ron]

He let Osama bin Laden get away

He had multiple people killed

he lied about a simple BJ




:)




pls note sarcasm was intended

Do you really think we want to catch him in the first place? Every cause needs a face to fight against....

[Akira]

Bill Clinton got was unfaithful to his wife, and was therefore the worst president in the history of ever.

Srsly.

[Eliminator]

monica lewinski had more president in her than bush!

[Illmatic]

he ordered bombings of Iraq and Bosnia

[metalkingtiger]

I think he did really good with the economy. There seem to be plenty of jobs and growth while he was in office but militarily speaking, he was a wuss (Somalia, for instance)

[Tyrant21]

If defense to Bill, I don't think he did a bad job. He did commit purgery, but the country was not on shaky ground. George Bush inherited a recession, and 9/11, which is one of the tougher presidencies to work with than any other president had. (Lincoln and Roosevelt obviously had it harder, to name a few) I however don't think Bush has done bad with our economy, its hanging in there with all of our troubles over the last 6 years, but I think he failed with the Iraq war, and if things don't get cleaned up quick, he'll be known as possibly our worst president of all time.

gas prices are at record high, as is the national debt which affects the economy. He has handled situations (katrina, iraq) very poorly.

In the beginning of the iraq war, joe biden went into is office and despite all the problems the president was calm, when joe biden asked what was going on, what the president was going to do bush put his hand on biden's shoulder and said don't worry, everything will be fine. when biden asked why, bush said, my instincts tell me so....

oh, he has also taken more vacation days then any president in the history of american presidents

[WhoDidTheElf]

Forgot to add to the record highs, so is the stock market.

[Tyrant21]

and the middles class is getting crushed, ie rich getting richer poor getting poorer

[WhoDidTheElf]

and the middles class is getting crushed, ie rich getting richer poor getting poorer

Hardly, at least from personal experiance. I hear this all the time but I have yet to see any proof that says the poor are getting poorer.

[Tyrant21]

Hardly, at least from personal experiance. I hear this all the time but I have yet to see any proof that says the poor are getting poorer.

unfortunately personal experience has no effect on what's actually going on

[Tyrant21]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9130342/

notice a few things, 4th straight annual poverty raise, and it's still better then 80's and early 90's, ie, before clinton got into office

[AA-12]

He was a great president, actually, as American politics goes. I didn't agree with his aggression against Iraq.

This, pretty much. The way he carried himself and his overall style was top notch too.

[WhoDidTheElf]

unfortunately personal experience has no effect on what's actually going on

/is middle class, but w/e

Any proof though? Not like unemployment is at some all time high or something, and thats with 9/11 and katrina.

[Tyrant21]

/is middle class, but w/e

Any proof though? Not like unemployment is at some all time high or something, and thats with 9/11 and katrina.


i posted a link, and the statement i made was referring to the fact that you only see what's going on around you not what's going on around the whole country, your view is biased to only what you have seen.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Oh sorry missed the link. At any rate, it's been higher, even in the Clinton years it was at around 15% and the amount it has gone up is only fractions of a percent...

[Tyrant21]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509160002

link'd again!!

ignore bill being completely retarded, he is renowned for having facts backwards as well

[WhoDidTheElf]

Yeah I'm not a fan of Bill's but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Poverty_59_to_05.png

[Tyrant21]

eh, im a moderate fan, in any case im off to bed
nice little debate

[Seafroggys]

One interesting illustration of the disappearence of the middle class is the lack of middle class shopping.

Meier & Frank, Nordstroms, JC Penny's, Mervyns, places that my family has always gone to clothes shopping have all but disappeared from this area. Mervyns folded, JC Penny's is down to like 2 stores in the Portland Metro Area, Nordstroms are rare, and Meier & Frank got bought out by Macy's and they too closed some stores down.

[Carrionshine]

He sold our national parks to the UN and sold our only deep water port in Long Beach to the Chinese. Bill Clinton was as much a scumbag as Bush ever was.

[Reaganista]

what first of all none of that's true and second even if it was none of that stuff even begins to compare in awfulness to some of the relatively less awful stuff bush has done

let alone even be among the worst things clinton did


One interesting illustration of the disappearence of the middle class is the lack of middle class shopping.

Meier & Frank, Nordstroms, JC Penny's, Mervyns, places that my family has always gone to clothes shopping have all but disappeared from this area. Mervyns folded, JC Penny's is down to like 2 stores in the Portland Metro Area, Nordstroms are rare, and Meier & Frank got bought out by Macy's and they too closed some stores down.

there's still hot topic

[Tyrant21]

He sold our national parks to the UN and sold our only deep water port in Long Beach to the Chinese. Bill Clinton was as much a scumbag as Bush ever was.

you are a moron, even if he did that, do you think that's as bad as the amount of people both american and otherwise who have died as the direct result of bush's actions?

[Iscariot]

One interesting illustration of the disappearence of the middle class is the lack of middle class shopping.

Meier & Frank, Nordstroms, JC Penny's, Mervyns, places that my family has always gone to clothes shopping have all but disappeared from this area. Mervyns folded, JC Penny's is down to like 2 stores in the Portland Metro Area, Nordstroms are rare, and Meier & Frank got bought out by Macy's and they too closed some stores down.

this

i took a drive around the town center a couple of weeks ago and noticed how much has disappeared it's ridiculous

plus a lot of my friends and their families who used to be middle/upper-middle are now lower/lower-middle class because of a powerful drop in job security

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Like most politicians, he pledged to shrink government and, instead, further inflated it. He kowtowed to the soccer moms, enacting the completely pointless assault weapons ban and other feel-good legislation that didn't do anything other than restrict rights. He had Americans citizens gunned down at Waco in one of the most aggregious acts of government terrorism

[Carrionshine]

what first of all none of that's true and second even if it was none of that stuff even begins to compare in awfulness to some of the relatively less awful stuff bush has done

let alone even be among the worst things clinton did

Ok, he didnt sell them, but he did hand over control.

Executive Order 12986:
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/ngo/iucn.htm
Naval Shipyard:
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0313.html

you are a moron, even if he did that, do you think that's as bad as the amount of people both american and otherwise who have died as the direct result of bush's actions?

I'm not basing on who killed more people. Clinton killed his fair share of people aswell. I'm basically saying that Clinton serves the interests or The Council on Foreign Relations and the elite, rather than the interests of the American people or our constitutional rights. He is a traitor to our country just like Bush is. Both have taken measures to undermine US soveriegnty in order to push a globalist agenda.

[TojesDolan]

He played saxophone.

[Carrionshine]

He tried to smoke weed, but failed miserably.

[Reaganista]

I'm not basing on who killed more people. Clinton killed his fair share of people aswell. I'm basically saying that Clinton serves the interests or The Council on Foreign Relations and the elite, rather than the interests of the American people or our constitutional rights. He is a traitor to our country just like Bush is. Both have taken measures to undermine US soveriegnty in order to push a globalist agenda.
a globalist agenda is in the interests of the us

[Number Hello]

So we all know about how when Bill Clinton was in office the economy was good, and he created new jobs and had a low employmet rate. However with the Monika Lewinsky scandle few people, myself included know what else he did bad because it was kinda pushed asisde by the scandle. So would someone like to inform me some of his faults.
Do presidents individually really have that much control over things?

[Tyrant21]

Ok, he didnt sell them, but he did hand over control.

Executive Order 12986:
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/ngo/iucn.htm
Naval Shipyard:
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0313.html



I'm not basing on who killed more people. Clinton killed his fair share of people aswell. I'm basically saying that Clinton serves the interests or The Council on Foreign Relations and the elite, rather than the interests of the American people or our constitutional rights. He is a traitor to our country just like Bush is. Both have taken measures to undermine US soveriegnty in order to push a globalist agenda.


yeah, having one of the only surplus in us hostory was certainly not done to help america. What constitutional rights did clinton take away?

how about the ironically named patriot act of gdub?

[Iscariot]

i thought clinton did a decent job

his wife would definitely not do the same though

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

yeah, having one of the only surplus in us hostory was certainly not done to help america. What constitutional rights did clinton take away?

1st and 2nd frequently, arguably the 8th and 10th

Not to mention the Line Item Veto Act, Iraq Liberation Act, Defense of Marriage Act, and that his was the first administration to approve Extraordinary Rendition

[HazMatBlue]

to sum it up, I don't like how he dealt with terrorism.

In my opinion he shouldn't have cut DOD spending, he should have let task force ranger eliminate Aidid in Somalia, he should have allowed Osama to be taken out and should have responded with more force to the 1993 world trade center bombing, the multiple embassies that were bombed in the middle of the decade, and the USS Cole bombing.

The economy was good during his presidency and all, but he was also president during a good economic trend for that to happen, the economy naturally swings between doing pretty well and recession all on its own. the economy is also doing well with Bush in office (excluding Michigan and I think Ohio)

[Krabsworth]

he should have let task force ranger eliminate Aidid in Somalia

i thought they did?

or did they just do all that dying for a bunch of his colleagues or something?

i read Black hawk Down but it was like months ago.

[HazMatBlue]

No, we did'nt get Aidid and warlord rule continues, he did die later though but was replaced by his son who did pretty much the same thing.

The battle deaths were along the lines of 1:45 in favor of American troops, and every soldier who came out wanted to go back in.

[Krabsworth]

18 highly trained soldiers is still alot though.

[HazMatBlue]

It is, but I would consider getting Aidid to be worth it. At the time other warlords had agreed to work with the US to work to form a stable Samolian country, Aidid just happened to be the one warlord who didn't like the idea and was the most powerful warlord in town. Ending warlord rule and establishing a government would in the long run save many more lives.

[Krabsworth]

Agreed.

[Tyrant21]

1st and 2nd frequently, arguably the 8th and 10th

Not to mention the Line Item Veto Act, Iraq Liberation Act, Defense of Marriage Act, and that his was the first administration to approve Extraordinary Rendition

instead of saying "frequently" give examples, they are a lot more effective

[griftadan]

the brady bill for one

i'll give him a B- overall, could have been worse but probably above average

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

instead of saying "frequently" give examples, they are a lot more effective

Fine:

1st Amendment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act#Anti-indecency_and_-obscenity_provisions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

2nd Amendment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

8th Amendment (arguable, if you consider the death penalty to be cruel and unusual):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_Death_Penalty_Act_of_1 996

10th Amendment (arguable, if you consider that amendment to still be relevent or even alive):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMLA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmeriCorps

[SoulSeekerz]

Sorry, I am a Bill Clinton fan. His faults were he got caught doing what many other Presidents did in office. ie: John F. Kennedy.

[Swill_Merchant]

Oh sorry missed the link. At any rate, it's been higher, even in the Clinton years it was at around 15% and the amount it has gone up is only fractions of a percent...


Unemployment at 15%?! WAY to high.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I dont know where he got that 15% from, here's a list.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt

It has unemployment rates for every month since 1948. When Clinton first took office, unemployment was over 7%. When Clinton left office, unemployment was down to about 4%. It now sits at about 5%, after ballooning up to over 6% in 2003.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

gas prices are at record high, as is the national debt which affects the economy. He has handled situations (katrina, iraq) very poorly.

In the beginning of the iraq war, joe biden went into is office and despite all the problems the president was calm, when joe biden asked what was going on, what the president was going to do bush put his hand on biden's shoulder and said don't worry, everything will be fine. when biden asked why, bush said, my instincts tell me so....

oh, he has also taken more vacation days then any president in the history of american presidents
yeah, gas prices rise and rise with time...candy bar prices are at record highs to, so are cigarettes. Im not defending Bush, I think he has been a terrible president save post 9/11, how he brought the country together.

I voted for Bush, but I don't think I would've voted for Kerry given a second chance.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Unemployment at 15%?! WAY to high.

Yeah sorry I misread the graph, it was more in the range of 7%. I have no idea were the hell I got 15% from.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Us_unemployment_rates_1950_2005.png