How is Salvia legal? [Archive] - Music & Musician Forums

MattyBlade

05-20-2007, 05:54 PM

Yeah, there haven't been any studies on long term effects of the drug either.

It IS illegal in ALOT of countries, but in North america it's legal and you can for example buy it in a corner store.

It's kind of like the khat plant which is used alot over in africa and the arabian peninsula but, it is illegal here because it's seen as being too much fun i guess.

Salvia is not a fun recreational drug btw, if smoked properly, it can enduce the most horrifying hallucinations that you've ever seen and it is not something that should be taken lightly or without someone to watch you and tell you how ****ed up you are/keep you from doing stupid things.

for best results: get an extract 5x 10x (I never went higher then 10 nor would i ever or do it again) get a butane "torch" type lighter. get a bong.

smoke

most.intense.thing.ever.

again make sure you're sitting down, make sure you have someone with you.

that is all.

Iskandar

05-20-2007, 05:54 PM

Better question: Why, save sheer prudery, are other soft drugs not?

GreyHam

05-20-2007, 05:58 PM

i got some x15 at download last year, it didnt do a right lot tbh

Pastorius

05-20-2007, 06:01 PM

I smoked 20x, wasn't anything that amazing. I actually fell asleep when I did it. It made me a bit introspective, just at peace really.

Definitely not a "smoke with your friends" drug. I'd rather smoke weed.

griftadan

05-20-2007, 06:11 PM

because no one knows/cares about it.

it's a worthless drug really

peeted

05-20-2007, 06:25 PM

Salvia only has an effect if its burnt at a very high temperature, theres not much point in smoking it like weed.

And they should do some reserch into it to find out how harmfull it is.

AIRIC

05-20-2007, 06:35 PM

Salvia is ****ing lame. It's ridiculous expensive for a 30 second trip which isn't even fun or enlightening.

MattyBlade

05-20-2007, 06:36 PM

^^ sounds like someone smoked the leaves or was smoking crappy extract

Salvia only has an effect if its burnt at a very high temperature, theres not much point in smoking it like weed.

And they should do some reserch into it to find out how harmfull it is.

^^^^^ that's what i've been trying to tell people and they're all like "I smoked it with a regular lighter and it was fine".

but you need a butane torch lighter and you will get mad ****ed.

it was the most terrifying experience of my life and i HATEEEEED it.

UpperDecker

05-20-2007, 06:57 PM

I heard this stuff is potent though, like your in a different world. No geometric colorful designs or anything?

AIRIC

05-20-2007, 07:03 PM

^^ sounds like someone smoked the leaves or was smoking crappy extract

^^^^^ that's what i've been trying to tell people and they're all like "I smoked it with a regular lighter and it was fine".

but you need a butane torch lighter and you will get mad ****ed.

it was the most terrifying experience of my life and i HATEEEEED it.

Uhh I tripped balls and pissed my pants. It was horrifying.

Still not worth.

CarnageFairy

05-20-2007, 07:14 PM

I heard this stuff is potent though, like your in a different world. No geometric colorful designs or anything?

Very potent.

**** can send you to another world. I'm talking full open-eye visuals of reality being torn apart and the like. Some people meet God. One dude told me about one trip he had where he was just sitting in a rowboat talking to a fisherman.

Some of these trips, if you break through, can be absolutely terrifying. But it only lasts 30 minutes or so so it's over quick.

Of course, not every time you smoke it it's gonna be like that. Often you still know where you are and ****, even if you are extrememly interested in the pattern on the back of your buddies' couch, or watching everyone's limbs turn into trains, or wondering why gravity suddenly seems to be pulling you towards the closet.

UpperDecker

05-20-2007, 07:18 PM

i need to get me some of this, is it only sold at head shops?

Pastorius

05-20-2007, 07:23 PM

It's recommended to have a sober sitter when taking this, even if you're experienced, because you can see anything and walk into a road or whatever.

You could cut your hand to ribbons and find it merely perplexing

Surtr

05-20-2007, 07:25 PM

Friend of mine was on a road trip with another friend, when one of the guys stopped and lit up some in the middle of no where. He sat down on the road and told 'em that the devil was standing right there.

Nothing like maddening, but just imagine being in the middle of no where and suddenly you see the devil.

He said that all the devil told him to do was sit. And so that's what he did..And then the devil apparently just stood there and creeped the **** outa' him.

SoulSeekerz

05-20-2007, 07:36 PM

Any type of mind altering halcinogenics are extremely dangerous, and should not be messed with at all. Just to get high,it's not worth it.

UpperDecker

05-20-2007, 07:54 PM

Any type of mind altering halcinogenics are extremely dangerous, and should not be messed with at all. Just to get high,it's not worth it.

I don't do halucigens for fun, i do it for some kind of awakening. An inner self kinda thing. Plus they aren't dangerous at all. Only what you do when on them is whats dangerous.

griftadan

05-20-2007, 08:09 PM

I heard this stuff is potent though, like your in a different world. No geometric colorful designs or anything?

i tried it and it felt like gravity reversed, and all sound sounded as i was underwater. i had little short terms memory

sexymuffin

05-20-2007, 08:35 PM

I don't do halucigens for fun, i do it for some kind of awakening. An inner self kinda thing. Plus they aren't dangerous at all. Only what you do when on them is whats dangerous.

if used improperly hallucinagens can be extremely dangerous. I'm suprised anyone would try to argue otherwise.

Danger Bird

05-20-2007, 08:37 PM

Someday I'm going to go out to the desert and do some hallucinogen. Probably not acid because I hear it's often just like strychnine and speed, but maybe some mushrooms or even salvia. Peyote maybe.

italic zero

05-20-2007, 08:42 PM

if it's on a blotter it's either acid or nothing. Practically no other drug is effective at such low doses.

sexymuffin

05-20-2007, 08:44 PM

Someday I'm going to go out to the desert and do some hallucinogen. Probably not acid because I hear it's often just like strychnine and speed, but maybe some mushrooms or even salvia. Peyote maybe.

shrooms are generally known to be a much more subtle trip than acid, and salvia is a lot shorter.

i did acid once, it was pretty cool. I only had one hit though, so i didn't trip balls, but i had my fair share of cool experiences and discoveries.

Danger Bird

05-20-2007, 08:52 PM

Yeah, I know shrroms aren't as good, but I've only ever smoked pot, so I figure a high shrooms dose would be sufficient to blow my mind. I just want to see things :D

sexymuffin

05-20-2007, 08:55 PM

UpperDecker

05-20-2007, 08:55 PM

if used improperly hallucinagens can be extremely dangerous. I'm suprised anyone would try to argue otherwise.

Im not talking about acid or pcp but tell me what so dangerous about mushrooms? As long as you stay hydrated and keep your cool nothing will happen. You won't go crazy or die. Its bs. Probly the same for pcp and acid and DMT.

Danger Bird

05-20-2007, 08:57 PM

i doubt you'll have the experience you're expecting on shrooms.

just sayin', it's hard to come by potent stuff that you can get a lot of, where as acid is relatively cheap, and two-three hits can put you in the winner's circle.

Peyote's hard to come by but isn't is just as strong?

I just want to be sure I'm getting what I'm getting.

AIRIC

05-20-2007, 08:58 PM

You're not going to die from mushrooms but that's not to say they're not psychologically dangerous. It's very easy to become uncomfortable on mushrooms and if that goes to far it can be horrifying. If you're not a mentally stable person it is very dangerous.

UpperDecker

05-20-2007, 09:00 PM

Peyote's hard to come by but isn't is just as strong?

I just want to be sure I'm getting what I'm getting.

From what a friend who knows aloooot about drugs told me, a peyote trip can last up to 2 days. Someone correct me if im wrong

AIRIC

05-20-2007, 09:07 PM

I don't think two days straight but definintely too long that you'd actually want to use it. I wouldn't touch peyote if I were you.

Danger Bird

05-20-2007, 09:08 PM

2 days sounds wicked wawesome.

sexymuffin

05-20-2007, 09:09 PM

oh yeah really awesome unless you start having a bad trip at the beginning of day one then you're kind of ****ed.

kids are so stupid with drugs tbh
Im not talking about acid or pcp but tell me what so dangerous about mushrooms? As long as you stay hydrated and keep your cool nothing will happen. You won't go crazy or die. Its bs. Probly the same for pcp and acid and DMT.

my friend spent three weeks in a psych ward after taking seven hits of acid during senior week.

he hasn't been the same since.

as for "keeping your cool" it's a much more tangible concept when you're not currently tripping.

also, pcp is absolutely dangerous. nobody knows the affect pcp has on the body, so the results of smoking it are unpredictable and have a history of being violent, irrational, and psychotic.

mushrooms are usually tamer than the former two, but that's not to say they can't be detrimental to your mental health, because they easily can be if you're not careful or don't know much about them.

you don't seem to know much about drugs tbh

italic zero

05-20-2007, 09:25 PM

hey guys this is not a drukqs forum

UpperDecker

05-20-2007, 09:32 PM

oh yeah really awesome unless you start having a bad trip at the beginning of day one then you're kind of ****ed.

kids are so stupid with drugs tbh

my friend spent three weeks in a psych ward after taking seven hits of acid during senior week.

he hasn't been the same since.

as for "keeping your cool" it's a much more tangible concept when you're not currently tripping.

also, pcp is absolutely dangerous. nobody knows the affect pcp has on the body, so the results of smoking it are unpredictable and have a history of being violent, irrational, and psychotic.

mushrooms are usually tamer than the former two, but that's not to say they can't be detrimental to your mental health, because they easily can be if you're not careful or don't know much about them.

you don't seem to know much about drugs tbh

thats cause he took 7 HITS OF ACID.

AIRIC

05-20-2007, 09:35 PM

I know a dude who uses something like 9 hits when he takes acid. He is someone who I would consider an addict though so I'm not really surprised.

perriwinkle

05-20-2007, 09:38 PM

i bet its legal because it sucks and it deters people from other drugs

seriously it sucks. i tried it once and i hated it. totally lost my grip on reality. lost track of time, i was not seeing what was in front of me and i did not recognize what i was seeing. i felt this great sense of shame, of defeat, of grief, throughout the entire experience

sexymuffin

05-20-2007, 09:44 PM

thats cause he took 7 HITS OF ACID.

well no, actually, there are a lot of people who take large amounts of acid when they trip and he had done it many times before.

what it was, was when he tripped, his judgement was pretty impaired and he decided to also do ecstacy, cocaine, marijuana and drink.

quite a party eh?

AIRIC

05-20-2007, 09:50 PM

Ecstacy and acid is a horrible combination. I know a dude who tripped for a week straight from that combo and spent a good amount of time in the hospital from it.

sexymuffin

05-20-2007, 10:24 PM

on the contrary there is a very specific name for combining ecstacy and acid it's called candy flipping and i know people who have done it and enjoyed it immensely

you just need enough ecstacy to outlast the acid, otherwise you'll crash on E and really freak out.

Sanjna

05-21-2007, 01:10 AM

Salvia is legal because it is stupid after the first time and it is $50 a gram at headshops that's 5x more expensive than pot

Kage

05-21-2007, 01:22 AM

$50 a gram for the strongest stuff, which you don't even need. You can get cheaper deals on the internet anyway, or just get a gram of 10x for like $20 from a headshop.

Jaded

05-21-2007, 08:41 AM

thats cause he took 7 HITS OF ACID.
No...because he freaked out.

Danger Bird

05-21-2007, 09:05 AM

Salvia is legal because it is stupid after the first time and it is $50 a gram at headshops that's 5x more expensive than pot

You're buying crappy pot.

EADG

05-21-2007, 09:26 AM

Because

a) it's new
b) it has no proven long term health affects

But rly, the high sucks balls, it doesn't last very long, and it's ridiculously overpriced.

05-21-2007, 10:43 AM

some guy ran from the cops with acid that was in stamps or some shi...anyway he sweated and the acid poured into his skin..he thinks he's a glass of orange juice now.

/drugs

class

05-21-2007, 10:44 AM

You're buying crappy pot.

lmao

MattyBlade

05-21-2007, 11:11 AM

Yeah, I know shrroms aren't as good, but I've only ever smoked pot, so I figure a high shrooms dose would be sufficient to blow my mind. I just want to see things :D

if you go play frets on fire for like 45 minutes not stop just staring at it and then look away at like a carpet, you notice the shifting and stuff you see? That's the same thing as a mushroom trip "visuals" you also become alot more perceptive though and your mind "opens up" to all sorts of ideas and you can think about the craziest things get caught up in day dreams and the like.

it CAN make your stomach feel bad but usually not too bad. some of my friends have puked where I have never. Although, I find i can never get to sleep while im on them as my legs are constnatly jittering and moving around and such.

class

05-21-2007, 11:32 AM

i've had the guitar hero thing..it's like a shitty illusion tbh

MattyBlade

05-21-2007, 12:15 PM

i've had the guitar hero thing..it's like a shitty illusion tbh

yeah, but when your on mushrooms...it's like that for 6 hours and does it no matter what you look at.

ringworm

05-21-2007, 02:40 PM

Yeah, I know shrroms aren't as good
lol, you dont know jack then or live in the right area, shroons are one of the better natural highs out there but good ones are rare these days, not enough hippies around to walk the pastures early in the morning
where as acid is relatively cheap, and two-three hits can put you in the winner's circle.
and somewhere else, acid is lame and un-natural, un-controllable in some cases and wont let you go to sleep even if you're exhausted and ready to stop tripping, besides the danger factor when you're consuming low levels of rat poison or whatever else the basement chemist mixed up to fark you up.
You're buying crappy pot.
no doubt, cheap, highly potent pot was widely available back in my day, $50 wont get you much more than commercial or ditch weed nowadays :)

I've never done Salvia, but the ridiculous quick high that most report on and the price, and the fact that its legal lets me know to just let the club kids keep consuming this garbage to take some heat off the smart people who just smoke pot and know where its really at.

Jaded

05-21-2007, 04:33 PM

But rly, the high sucks balls, it doesn't last very long, and it's ridiculously overpriced.

Um, the high is pretty cool. It feels like it lasts a lot longer than it really does because it warps your sense of time.

UpperDecker

05-21-2007, 04:57 PM

Shrooms made me open my eyes for the first time ever. About a month after the trip they closed again. I'm sure atleast some of you understand what I mean. I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed yet. I guess cause its based on Salvia.

sexymuffin

05-21-2007, 08:20 PM

and somewhere else, acid is lame and un-natural, un-controllable in some cases and wont let you go to sleep even if you're exhausted and ready to stop tripping, besides the danger factor when you're consuming low levels of rat poison or whatever else the basement chemist mixed up to fark you up.

i guess being friends with the chemists makes you a little more prone to trust their product.

italic zero

05-21-2007, 08:23 PM

also the fact there is absolutely no point in cutting LSD. You're more likely to be poisoned smoking pot.

The Chemist

05-21-2007, 08:41 PM

Man, people around here lace pot with PCP.

MattSharpIsCool

05-21-2007, 08:50 PM

I want to try salvia, just to see what it's like. I've tried acid a few times, and shrooms once, and they were pretty cool. I'd be interested to see what a trip on salvia would be like.

sexymuffin

05-21-2007, 09:08 PM

Man, people around here lace pot with PCP.

do they charge extra for it?

Danger Bird

05-21-2007, 09:28 PM

some guy ran from the cops with acid that was in stamps or some shi...anyway he sweated and the acid poured into his skin..he thinks he's a glass of orange juice now.

/drugs

/urban legend

Tyrant21

05-21-2007, 11:18 PM

/urban legend

there are so many stories like that, that people believe with absolute truth.

I did coke a bit and when i told my girlfriend she freaked out and was like, did you know you can be allergic and die the first time you do it?

problem with that logic is you could have an unknown bee allergy and die from it too, if it's an unknown allergy there's not much you can do

iplayanesp

05-22-2007, 12:33 AM

i had a friend thought she was eating a pot brownie, ate 2 and later found out it was actually a cocaine acid ecstacy pot brownie. the bitch threw up some expensive *** sushi. what a ****in waste of 16 bucks.

perriwinkle

05-22-2007, 12:39 AM

iplayanesp

05-22-2007, 12:46 AM

my grandmother used to make those

ohh mines usually to busy collecting her hoes wages.

Reaganista

05-22-2007, 01:31 AM

problem with that logic is you could have an unknown bee allergy and die from it too, if it's an unknown allergy there's not much you can do
the problem with that logic is you wouldn't snort a bunch of bees...