Which issue would you like to see improved?

[IbanezArtist]

Well, in a couple of years we may have us a new president and other elected officials.

Which issue would you like to see face the most attention and change with the new upcoming leaders?

I'd personally love to see education in America to fall under the spotlight and to undergo change.

[metalkingtiger]

I would like to see somebody tackle the oil and gas situation because I haven't seen the least bit of effort to work on it.

[SoulSeekerz]

I would like Hillary to invite me to the White Houise for dinner with her & First Man Bill.

[gregulus]

I would like Hillary to invite me to the White Houise for dinner with her & First Man Bill.

that's a pretty pressing issue. congratulations on epitomizing what is wrong with the majority of our country.

[SoulSeekerz]

that's a pretty pressing issue. congratulations on epitomizing what is wrong with the majority of our country.

Oh sorry I forgot, this is the section your not supposed to be funny in. I was supposed to make some long winded dissertation and political analysis of what is wrong with our country and what the new presidential regime will be doing to right the wronged ship from the Bush administration.
Would it surprise you that for all our faults, I am quite satified with being an American and living in the wonderfully free country. Many have it much worse. It seems we are all looking for perfection in our governments when there really is no such thing. Trial and error,throughout history is really the only way to govern. New scenearios and new problems will come along with every new political government put in place. It is the nature of the beast. So, until the brilliant political minds and strategists figure it all out, I'll just enjoy the USA for what it is right now.

[Sanjna]

beer legal at age 18

[gregulus]

Oh sorry I forgot, this is the section your not supposed to be funny in. I was supposed to make some long winded dissertation and political analysis of what is wrong with our country and what the new presidential regime will be doing to right the wronged ship from the Bush administration.
Would it surprise you that for all our faults, I am quite satified with being an American and living in the wonderfully free country. Many have it much worse. It seems we are all looking for perfection in our governments when there really is no such thing. Trial and error,throughout history is really the only way to govern. New scenearios and new problems will come along with every new political government put in place. It is the nature of the beast. So, until the brilliant political minds and strategists figure it all out, I'll just enjoy the USA for what it is right now.
what surprises me more is that you seem to have a "meh, things could be worse, so why try to make them better?" attitude.

you just further solidified the validity of my initial post.

[SoulSeekerz]

what surprises me more is that you seem to have a "meh, things could be worse, so why try to make them better?" attitude.

you just further solidified the validity of my initial post.

You talk a big game with little experiece of the real world. I have been on many missionary visits to communist and third world nations. The poverty, pain, suffering and living conditions are deplorable. You have no idea what worse means. Of course things could be better. things could also be much much worse. You take for granted clean water and refrigeration. When we came back from Somalia, they drink filthy maggot infested water, and have no way of keeping their food from perishing quickly. The suffering is paramount in these places. Be very grateful you were born in a free industrious and very wealthy nation.
Don't talk to me about my attitude being "meh" as you put it. You have no idea how I feel in my heart.

[gregulus]

You talk a big game with little experiece of the real world. I have been on many missionary visits to communist and third world nations. The poverty, pain, suffering and living conditions are deplorable. You have no idea what worse means. Of course things could be better. things could also be much much worse. You take for granted clean water and refrigeration. When we came back from Somalia, they drink filthy maggot infested water, and have no way of keeping their food from perishing quickly. The suffering is paramount in these places. Be very grateful you were born in a free industrious and very wealthy nation.
Don't talk to me about my attitude being "meh" as you put it. You have no idea how I feel in my heart.
so, because things aren't as bad here as they are in many other places, we shouldn't try to make things better for people here? i don't know what united states you live in, but in the united states i live in, a lot of changes need to be made.

[SoulSeekerz]

so, because things aren't as bad here as they are in many other places, we shouldn't try to make things better for people here? i don't know what united states you live in, but in the united states i live in, a lot of changes need to be made.
Thank you, coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.
Like I said, go live in Somalia for 6 months, and you'll be begging on your hands and knees to come back to this flawed county of ours.

lol nice ninja edit.

[gregulus]

Thank you, coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.
Like I said, go live in Somalia for 6 months, and you'll be begging on your hands and knees to come back to this flawed county of ours.

lol nice ninja edit.

i didn't want to seem like a complete ***.

at least now you're admitting that our country is flawed. now explain to me why we shouldn't take measures to improve the flaws.

[Der Übermensch]

You have no idea how I feel in my heart.
Well, I can tell that you feel having dinner with the Pres and her husband is more important than say... rehabilitating the welfare system? reforming immigration laws? Saving social security?
You don't need to write "some long winded dissertation", but do take this a bit more seriously than the pit.

[Iskandar]

Were I American, health care would be first on the agenda for me. But I'll be glad when the Iraq pullout begins.

[SoulSeekerz]

Well, I can tell that you feel having dinner with the Pres and her husband is more important than say... rehabilitating the welfare system? reforming immigration laws? Saving social security?
You don't need to write "some long winded dissertation", but do take this a bit more seriously than the pit.

I see, so I will refrain from making any type of humorous remaks in the future. Thank you for your reprimand.

[Iskandar]

Well, a little humour is fine, but just remember this is a forum "for serious discussion only."

[SoulSeekerz]

i didn't want to seem like a complete ***.

at least now you're admitting that our country is flawed. now explain to me why we shouldn't take measures to improve the flaws.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said we shouldn't take any measures to improve out country.
I will leave it up the the lawmakers and the next political regime.
I think I would like to see a national health care system in place similar to Canada's where every man, woman and child can receive medical care, especially those who live at or below the poverty level.

[gregulus]

education is a big issue with me. i feel like an improved education system would indirectly help improve various other problems we face as a country.

[Der Übermensch]

I see, so I will refrain from making any type of humorous remaks in the future. Thank you for your reprimand.

You can try to be funny... I hardly ever take myself seriously, but use it constructively.

[Uwibami]

Were I American, health care would be first on the agenda for me. But I'll be glad when the Iraq pullout begins.
I don't belong in this thread since I am not an American nor am I living in the US, but I've read this morning that Gordon Brown [new PM of the UK] will probably start asap with the British withdrawal in Iraq and since the UK is an important ally of the US, maybe this would set things in motion for also the withdrawal of the US in Iraq?

Don't know how valid the story is about [speeding up] the British withdrawal but from what I've read Mr. Brown is a wee bit more critical towards Mr. Bush than his predecessor Mr. Blair.

I'll leave now, since this thread is more for US citizens.

[Smokey D]

Hey Soulseerkerz, if you're not going to talk politics, piss off.

[SoulSeekerz]

Hey Soulseerkerz, if you're not going to talk politics, piss off.

Hey Smokey D , no need to be rude. I stated my views on health care in this thread. I get it.

[Smokey D]

You've also told us is how we should be grateful for living in the first world. Be that as it may, it does not mean the third world is perfect, so we're allowed to freely criticise it while still being happy we live here. Stop baiting posters for doing what they're supposed to do in this forum. If you want to make non-interesting non sequiturs, there are other forums.

But maybe I was a little snappish.

[SoulSeekerz]

You've also told us is how we should be grateful for living in the first world. Be that as it may, it does not mean the third world is perfect, so we're allowed to freely criticise it while still being happy we live here. Stop baiting posters for doing what they're supposed to do in this forum. If you want to make non-interesting non sequiturs, there are other forums.

But maybe I was a little snappish.

OK, you are forgiven for the snappishness ( is that a word?)
I will stay on topic.

[Pterydactal Macro]

Hm. Everyone's day to day happiness. SERIOUS ISSUE RIGHT THERE:mad:

[sexymuffin]

I think I would like to see a national health care system in place similar to Canada's

ew no

[gregulus]

ew no

I agree with this reaction, to an extent. I would like to see healthcare more accessable to more people, but i like being able to do things like pick my doctor, etc.

[sexymuffin]

I agree with this reaction, to an extent. I would like to see healthcare more accessable to more people, but i like being able to do things like pick my doctor, etc.

i believe you should have the option to pick private or government health care

pay more for private, but have the benefits of getting an operation done whenever you want it done because you have the money to pay for it.

if you want government health care, they can take it out of your paycheck.

[Iskandar]

i believe you should have the option to pick private or government health careNobody forces you to use public healthcare in Canada. They take your tax dollars, but they use them for myriad other things with which you may or may not agree, so boo.

[sexymuffin]

Nobody forces you to use public healthcare in Canada. They take your tax dollars, but they use them for myriad other things with which you may or may not agree, so boo.

well if it's going towards road construction then i want nothing to do with it.

we need to stop the gas guzzling and build bike pathways!

[gregulus]

well if it's going towards road construction then i want nothing to do with it.

we need to stop the gas guzzling and build bike pathways!

it's not the roads that are the problem, though. it's the amount people drive, lack of decent public transportation in many places, the type of cars people drive, etc.

[griftadan]

do something about pork barrel politics and balance the budget.

[GreyHam]

introduce proportional representation to the election system

i think the reasons why are obvious

[Der Übermensch]

A PR system has its own problems though.

Maybe an Open List PR could fit with the American style, but either way, I don't think it would go over very well.

[Mr. Ron]

I would like to see things like the patriot act being discussed more....I don't think people actually even know what it is.

[EinzingerIsGod]

As someone who lives on a coast, I'd like to see something done about global warming.

[Mr. Ron]

As someone who lives on a coast, I'd like to see something done about global warming.

Hahaha, same here. I sort of like not having to boat around to my place of businesses.

[EinzingerIsGod]

If the caps melt at the rate some are saying they are going to melt at my current apartment will be underwater within the next decade or two.

I'll be out of there however in the next couple of weeks.

[Akira]

It sure won't happen in my one administration, but as a Democrat in a red state I would love to see major electoral reform, this system isn't working.

[EinzingerIsGod]

I'd also like to see the emergence of a third party in my lifetime because this red state blue state bullshit doesn't cut it for me anymore.

[griftadan]

If the caps melt at the rate some are saying they are going to melt at my current apartment will be underwater within the next decade or two.

I'll be out of there however in the next couple of weeks.

do you live in new orleans or southern florida? because otherwise you'd pretty much have to be living in a hut on the beach for this to be true.

[EinzingerIsGod]

I'm currently living in Salem, Massachusetts. My apartment is about a block from the ocean and actually sits below sea level and the street floods regularly as is.

[Akira]

I'd also like to see the emergence of a third party in my lifetime because this red state blue state bullshit doesn't cut it for me anymore.

Yeah, a third party would be interesting. The electoral college just makes me so mad though. I don't like that my vote is insignificant vis-à-vis the the country as a whole, since the Democrat never has a chance here.

[Iskandar]

America isn't likely to develop a third party any time soon. Its politics are too polarized for that.

But are they only polarized because there are two parties? I've always thought so.

[Der Übermensch]

As someone who lives on a coast, I'd like to see something done about global warming.

As someone who lives on a hill, I can't wait to have some prime beachfront property :)

[Mr. Ron]

Hahahaha

[pedro durruti]

A complete revamping of our foreign policy.

[Mr. Ron]

A complete revamping of our foreign policy.

Yeah that would help.

[sexymuffin]

I'm currently living in Salem, Massachusetts.

lol r u a witch?

[Iskandar]

In my experience, Salem isn't full of witches so much as it's full of Cure-listening goths.

[sexymuffin]

the cure blows

[Iskandar]

So does Salem.

[sexymuffin]

i see a paralell

[ringworm]

do something about pork barrel politics and balance the budget.
this and
enviromental issues/alternative energy etc
campaign reform

too much emphasise on the amount of campaign money and not enough on simply getting a good candidate to pick

i hate the education system debate, education is fine, its the morons who choose not to learn that are the problem

[sexymuffin]

education is not fine, we still have standardized testing that dictates curriculum ffs.

[ringworm]

i feel differently, i feel its the people, not the pen and paper in front of them

but tell me how you feel its bad

[italic zero]

so black people are genetically less intelligent or ambitious?

[ringworm]

hmm, when did i imply this?

multiple choice questons are considered racist and opressive?

[italic zero]

well black people score lower, so you saying it's their own fault implies that there is something inherently inferior about them

[ringworm]

and white americans are fatter than most, so whats your point?
we all have faults, but its all up to the individual to change them

if we go around evolving everrryyyy single process in our country to cater to everyone who feels disenfranchized due to their own faults, we'd have no legislation left for anything else

its time people start owning up and educating themselves or at least realize the importance of simple decisions or mistakes they made and pass this down to the next gerneration so they dont continuously make the same ones, but blaming the current system is like blaming guns themselves for violent acts

[griftadan]

America isn't likely to develop a third party any time soon. Its politics are too polarized for that.

But are they only polarized because there are two parties? I've always thought so.

well single member district systems usually produce strong two party systems.

[gregulus]

and white americans are fatter than most, so whats your point?
we all have faults, but its all up to the individual to change them

if we go around evolving everrryyyy single process in our country to cater to everyone who feels disenfranchized due to their own faults, we'd have no legislation left for anything else
how is gross lack of funding and ridiculous requirements (no child left behind) any one demographic's fault?

[Reaganista]

and white americans are fatter than most
no.

[Mr. Ron]

and white americans are fatter than most, so whats your point?
we all have faults, but its all up to the individual to change them

if we go around evolving everrryyyy single process in our country to cater to everyone who feels disenfranchized due to their own faults, we'd have no legislation left for anything else

its time people start owning up and educating themselves or at least realize the importance of simple decisions or mistakes they made and pass this down to the next gerneration so they dont continuously make the same ones, but blaming the current system is like blaming guns themselves for violent acts

I THINK Latinos is the most obese ethnic group in America. I could be wrong.

[sexymuffin]

i feel differently, i feel its the people, not the pen and paper in front of them

but tell me how you feel its bad

bad funding
bad teachers
bad curriculum (that teachers can't change because of standardized testing)

you can't honestly tell me that state wide standardized tests that determine whether or not students pass or fail highschool are a good thing. rather than kids learning, this just forces kids to memorize because if they don't, then all the work they did in the class is worthless. I'm glad the HSAs (highschool assesments) weren't mandatory to pass for my year, otherwise i wouldn't have had the oppertunity to show my distaste with them by drawing pictures instead of answering questions.

teachers need to be given more freedom in classrooms, because not every kid is going to stuff their face in a book and study, and then the kids who are already past the material being covered are just going to be bored out of their ****ing minds because they have to learn at the retarded pace the current administration decided on.

[metalkingtiger]

Oh and I got to get my Anti-capitalist word in, so what I would like to see is all the rich people get more heavily taxed so we all share the burden of the economic crisis and not some people taking advantage of others

[griftadan]

"economic crisis"?

[Smokey D]

There's also a lot to be said for the argument that taxing rich people in an economic crisis exacerbates it.
.

[ringworm]

how is gross lack of funding and ridiculous requirements (no child left behind) any one demographic's fault?
i didnt say that

if you'll read, the material is presented to YOU, its up to YOU to learn it, abosorb it and use it usefully in the real word or to further YOUR education

i just get sick of how more money seems to be the only solution to fix problems when its the PEOPLE's fault in the first place

how hard is it to instill in a child the importance of making the best of your time in school? Especially when you're a parent that maybe didnt make the correct choices in your life?

bad funding
bad teachers
bad curriculum (that teachers can't change because of standardized testing)

again, $$$$ cant fix kids who are more interested in an Ipod than reading their books

bored out of their ****ing minds because they have to learn at the retarded pace the current administration decided on.
edit, wrong admin i thought you meant :)

its still lot of blame blame blame

[Hababi]

bad funding
bad teachers
bad curriculum (that teachers can't change because of standardized testing)


Bad students.

Hey, the public school district I'm in is the worst performing one in the entire state, so I should know a thing or two about the problem :p

What you have is:
* Incompetent administration, people who fight improvements (in this case, merging with another school district) due to the possible repercussions it'd have on their job status.
* Teachers who are either washouts or young and ill equipped.
* Students who have no interest in being there and no commitment to education.

You can not solve the problem by merely fixing the first two, and simply throwing money at the problem won't repair it, either. Some subcultures just have no interest in getting ahead through education, and until they change themselves, there's nothing anyone on the outside can do to fix the problem.

[ringworm]

You can not solve the problem by merely fixing the first two, and simply throwing money at the problem won't repair it, either. Some subcultures just have no interest in getting ahead through education, and until they change themselves, there's nothing anyone on the outside can do to fix the problem.
wurd

[Reaganista]

pay students to go to school

and not fail

[pedro durruti]

You can not solve the problem by merely fixing the first two, and simply throwing money at the problem won't repair it, either. Some subcultures just have no interest in getting ahead through education, and until they change themselves, there's nothing anyone on the outside can do to fix the problem.
The mass of a "subculture" holds little academic ambitions?

I'm not going to say that these "bad students" are entirely blameless, but there are plenty of external reasons for why education is not regarded as something important. And some of those reasons afflict the nation at large, but where these bad students are abundant, their conditions, historically, have made them less likely to pursue, or event want to pursue, their education.

[ringworm]

pay students to go to school

and not fail

or

take young people to a college, then take them to a nice cushy rewarding job

then

take them to Wendy's and let them watch someone flip a burger or clean the toilets

tough love, but its all choice then

[Reaganista]

except going to college doesn't equal having a 'cushy' job

[sexymuffin]

yeah seriously like what if you get a degree in psychiatry?

you might as well have jizzed all over your high school diploma and shoved it up your *** for all the job oppertunities you're going to get with that.

[TojesDolan]

Digital / Analog TV =(

[Smokey D]

yeah seriously like what if you get a degree in psychiatry?

you might as well have jizzed all over your high school diploma and shoved it up your *** for all the job oppertunities you're going to get with that.

Psychiatrists are trained doctors with lots of job opportunities.

I think you might be referring to psychology.

[Woundweaver]

You can't blame a failing school system on the "lack of good students" you need to fix it from the source first.

Ever wondered why private schooling produces people who are more intelligent? It's not genetics that's for sure.

Anyway, i'm not american, so i'll gtfo of your thread.

[ringworm]

except going to college doesn't equal having a 'cushy' job
but thats you're own fault


college doesnt equal anything except you're just smart enough to be dangerous, work skills come from experience


yeah seriously like what if you get a degree in psychiatry?

you might as well have jizzed all over your high school diploma and shoved it up your *** for all the job oppertunities you're going to get with that.
again, you're fault

[Smokey D]

but thats you're own fault


college doesnt equal anything except you're just smart enough to be dangerous, work skills come from experience

Except you can't get jobs that don't exist. Sometimes the person is at fault. Sometimes it's ouside forces.

[Reaganista]

but thats you're own fault


college doesnt equal anything except you're just smart enough to be dangerous, work skills come from experience


what
that totally contradicts what you just said in the post i was replying to
if that was true then the person working at the mcdonald's would have better prospects than the college students

[ringworm]

Except you can't get jobs that don't exist. Sometimes the person is at fault. Sometimes it's ouside forces.
that totally contradicts what you just said
i dont understand how you guys come up with this stuff sometimes, sometimes i feel yawl are so smart you're almost dumb or you just over complicate things


EDUCATION:
Its there, you have to WANT to learn it or no amount of money or blaim thrown at it will help. Thats all I am trying to say.

[sexymuffin]

take young people to a college, then take them to a nice cushy rewarding job

then

take them to Wendy's and let them watch someone flip a burger or clean the toilets

tough love, but its all choice then

what this says equates sucess in life with going to college and lack of sucess in life with not going.

which then contradicts this:


college doesnt equal anything except you're just smart enough to be dangerous, work skills come from experience

which implies that working (and not schooling) is the only way to make it in the job world.

make up your mind.

Psychiatrists are trained doctors with lots of job opportunities.

I think you might be referring to psychology.

that was it

my mistake :/

[Aklerc]

Kids. I hate them. Glad I never was one.

[ringworm]

make up your mind.
ughh, i think my point was made much earlier
:rolleyes:

[sexymuffin]

which point? that going to college guarantees a cushy job or that working and aquiring skills is the only way to be truly valuable in the workplace?

[Akira]

You can't blame a failing school system on the "lack of good students" you need to fix it from the source first.

Ever wondered why private schooling produces people who are more intelligent? It's not genetics that's for sure.

Anyway, i'm not american, so i'll gtfo of your thread.

Private schools produce plenty of morons. They are a better argument for the idea that some students are just bad than they are against the idea.

[ringworm]

which point? that going to college guarantees a cushy job or that working and aquiring skills is the only way to be truly valuable in the workplace?
the one about its YOU that is in charge of YOUR education

quit finding crutches to explain why your fail

[sexymuffin]

the one about its YOU that is in charge of YOUR education

quit finding crutches to explain why your fail

well no **** i'm in charge of how far i go with education but what does that have to do with how cushy my job is in the future?

[ringworm]

well no **** i'm in charge of how far i go with education but what does that have to do with how cushy my job is in the future?

you need to go back a few pages before i started getting sidetracked by pointless claims of racists/oppressive multiple choice tests

unless you're purposely trying to confuse the situation

YOU"RE the one who said "education is not fine,"

I simply said "it was" "it was the distracted, lazy STUDENTS who need direction", classes and curiculum are just dandy, its the morons and lazy parents that are to blaim for any education problems

k?

[italic zero]

i never claimed multiple choice tests are racist. i think black people are less intelligent.

[sexymuffin]

you need to go back a few pages before i started getting sidetracked by pointless claims of racists/oppressive multiple choice tests

unless you're purposely trying to confuse the situation

YOU"RE the one who said "education is not fine,"

I simply said "it was" "it was the distracted, lazy STUDENTS who need direction", classes and curiculum are just dandy, its the morons and lazy parents that are to blaim for any education problems

k?
okay you're just ignoring your contradiction and pretending you never made it.

it's cool, i get it.

*blame btw.

[Reaganista]

I still want an actual response as to why paying students to attend and try in school isn't an effective way of throwing money at a problem and actually improving things at the same time

i dont understand how you guys come up with this stuff sometimes, sometimes i feel yawl are so smart you're almost dumb or you just over complicate things

EDUCATION:
Its there, you have to WANT to learn it or no amount of money or blaim thrown at it will help. Thats all I am trying to say.

i lold IRL

[ringworm]

if our education system is so bad, why do so many foreign students consistently surpass American students?

simple, better work ethic
they take the same tests and curriculum


okay you're just ignoring your contradiction and pretending you never made it.
no, i made no contradictory statement

dont go to school=crappy jobs (more than likely)

go to school=better chances

just because I said college doesnt guarantee a good job, it certainly helps

[Reaganista]

actually you said
college doesnt equal anything except you're just smart enough to be dangerous, work skills come from experience

[ringworm]

well, obviously, you just want to be a dick and argue a pointless post

the one above you should clarify what i meant, but im tired of repeating myself, if you'll go back a few pages, you should see that post had little to do with a bad education system.

it was simply meant that just because you are in college doesnt =genius status, but to an employer, they will hire a college educated over HS education, does that clarify it?

i love how these things get sidetracked for pages over simple misreading or misunderstanding or ignoring a paragraph only to scrutinize one sentence

[Illmatic]

ringworm = joke account?

[Iscariot]

public education
job security
limiting* outsourcing
ending the war in iraq


*i'd rather see it go altogether

[Eliminator]

if our education system is so bad, why do so many foreign students consistently surpass American students?i dunno maybe their education systems aren't as bad

[Illmatic]

I'd like to see corporations be held more accountable for their actions and more responsible for the communities they reside in

seeing as how business is such an important part of this country, I think that would be a good start

[Reaganista]

it was simply meant that just because you are in college doesnt =genius status, but to an employer, they will hire a college educated over HS education, does that clarify it?
no what you said is they'll hire the person with experience over the educated one

[Battles]

public education
job security
limiting* outsourcing
ending the war in iraq


*i'd rather see it go altogether

quoted. don't want to make the same post twice.

[ringworm]

i dunno maybe their education systems aren't as bad
GD, i meant foreign students that get educated HERE
no what you said is they'll hire the person with experience over the educated one
just stfu Tway, you sound like my old History teacher telling us to tuen to page 238, while he reads off page 150

I was just debating w/SexyBagle about how I feel its the distracted, lazy students/parents that are to blaim for poor education, not the system

[Reaganista]

and making a bunch of completely contradictory claims

*blame btw

[ringworm]

no, I must have made ONE post that confused you and you've kept at it for a few pages now :?



why not answer a question I asked instead of deliberately trolling and nitpicking that one post?





If the american education system is so bad, why do most non-americans excell/surpass americans at it?

[Reaganista]

because ours is bad
what kind of question is that

[ringworm]

one you failed to answer :/

pls re-read

[Mr. Ron]

Ring I don't get your last questions. I think you answered it yourself. The reason why non-Americans excel Americans is because out education system is terrible.

[ringworm]

?
what is this, 5th grade reading level week? :)

I mean non-americans in the US!!!!!!!!!!

If our educ system is so horribly outdated or bad, why do students, who come to the US to learn (which I have said a few times now) do better than we do?

They take the same curr. and sometimes have to learn our language, and they STILL out perform us, which reinforces my claims that our education system is pretty good, its just our own country men that dont have the adaquate skills or dedication to use it to its fullest.

[Battles]

we have decent universities, but everything from kindergarten to high school in the u.s. is pretty bad. they do better than us because their schools are way more advanced than ours are.

[lfantwister]

They take the same curr. and sometimes have to learn our language, and they STILL out perform us, which reinforces my claims that our education system is pretty good, its just our own country men that dont have the adaquate skills or dedication to use it to its fullest.

blame gangsta culture in the US
and before that, rock n roll
etc

[Reaganista]

legal immigrants are from a higher income bracket than the average american