Russia controls 90% of the world's oil and natural gas.

[Houdini]

As of today. Does this mean the end of the US? Or do we work with Canada to supply only the North American continent?

[spitfirejunky]

http://mb-soft.com/public2/energysu.html

[Linkinbassist]

sources?

[Houdini]

Yesterday's newspaper, and my World Studies teacher.

[gregulus]

did they try to invade the mid-east again?

[Houdini]

The teacher told us that Russia signed deals with all the oil producing countries.

[SoulSeekerz]

Those damn Ruskies. When will it end?

[HazMatBlue]

last i knew we were getting along with Russia, so unless a new war has sprung up no, it will not be the end of the US

[griftadan]

The teacher told us that Russia signed deals with all the oil producing countries.

that's not "control"

[Smokey D]

Control is quite difference to influence which, in geo political terms, is probably quite different to 'deals signed'.

[Eskedi]

yay

[The Stig]

We have deals with some of these countries. How do you think we import so much?

[MegaPhony]

Deals mean nothing.

[Apollyon]

Deals mean nothing.

this

unless russia is actively buying out those oil companies which it doesn't have the resources to do then there is nothing to worry about

your teacher just hates russians

[lfantwister]

unless russia is actively buying out those oil companies which it doesn't have the resources to do then there is nothing to worry about
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0613FC3A550C718EDDAB0994DE4044 82&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations %2fG%2fGazprom
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50D1FFF3E540C748DDDAB0994DC4044 82&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations %2fG%2fGazprom

[Apollyon]

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0613FC3A550C718EDDAB0994DE4044 82&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations %2fG%2fGazprom

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purchasing a national oil and energy entity through a shady auction =/= buying out all the distributors in the world

[StreetlightRock]

Quite obviously this constitutes as a threat to US National Security. In fact, it could very well be the end of the US. Yes. The end. It's nigh. The CIA should fund a coup or something, or failing that, just invade. Makes things easier. We should go on and finish off what the cold war stared.

[Smokey D]

this

unless russia is actively buying out those oil companies which it doesn't have the resources to do then there is nothing to worry about

your teacher just hates russians

You underestimate the size of the Russian energy industry.

[GreyHam]

i just hope that oil gets to run out in my lifetime...

egg on your face politicians, egg on your face

'looks like the tree hugging hippies were right after all...'

[Apollyon]

if hippies were right all along we are all doomed

[WhoDidTheElf]

i just hope that oil gets to run out in my lifetime...

egg on your face politicians, egg on your face

'looks like the tree hugging hippies were right after all...'

It won't, it won't run out in your children's life time, or even your children's children's life time. We haven't even tapped some of the known sources yet...let alone tried to find new ones.

[Der Übermensch]

i just hope that oil gets to run out in my lifetime...


Yeah, it'll be so fun when the world implodes :)

[Loser]

The inside of the earth actually isn't made of oil.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Enough of it is to keep us happy for a while longer though.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

It won't, it won't run out in your children's life time, or even your children's children's life time. We haven't even tapped some of the known sources yet...let alone tried to find new ones.

You're sort of right. We'll probably never "run out" of oil, but only because once the price reaches a certain level, cost savings alone will drive us to find other sources of energy. So yeah, the world could maybe run on oil for another hundred years (i just invented that number, I have no idea what it really is), but if within 15 years it's costing you half a day's salary to drive to work, you're not going to wait another 85 years to look for something new.

[bleep_bloop]

It won't, it won't run out in your children's life time, or even your children's children's life time. We haven't even tapped some of the known sources yet...let alone tried to find new ones.

not according to the peak oil theory. a prominent University of Arizona professor supports the idea too so it's fo sho credible but still a theory

i just hope that oil gets to run out in my lifetime...

no you dont. imagine the implications, so much of our lives is affected by oil; for one example our food is driven to the supermarkets in trucks that consume oil. also, say goodbye to globalization because oil is essential in most forms of transportation.

[WhoDidTheElf]

not according to the peak oil theory. a prominent University of Arizona professor supports the idea too so it's fo sho credible but still a theory

Yeah I've seen it, and I've also heard a number of things that go against. Also I mean come on, we have a bunch of sources we haven't even tapped yet, and there are prolly more to find.

You're sort of right. We'll probably never "run out" of oil, but only because once the price reaches a certain level, cost savings alone will drive us to find other sources of energy. So yeah, the world could maybe run on oil for another hundred years (i just invented that number, I have no idea what it really is), but if within 15 years it's costing you half a day's salary to drive to work, you're not going to wait another 85 years to look for something new.

I think it's just overblown, even a fear tactic by envrionmentalists. Even my envrionmental prof. thinks it's over blown...

[Smokey D]

Peak oil isn't so much that we're going to run out as much as it is about costs becoming so prohibitively high that any society based on an abundance of cheap oil will collapse.

Tar sands in Canada become viable once the price reaches $130 a barrel I think. That is very high, but I don't know if it's enough to spell the end of western society given that we're working on diversifying energy production and that improvements in technology can cause extraction costs to go down.

[bleep_bloop]

Yeah I've seen it, and I've also heard a number of things that go against. Also I mean come on, we have a bunch of sources we haven't even tapped yet, and there are prolly more to find.


yeah it's worth considering though and i believe it holds a certian amount of credibility


I think it's just overblown, even a fear tactic by envrionmentalists. Even my envrionmental prof. thinks it's over blown...

it's not overblown at all, the sooner we find alternate and renewable energy sources the easier it is going to be when the oil runs out and we will have a better chance of fixing all the stuff that we have done to the earth.

[WhoDidTheElf]

it's not overblown at all, the sooner we find alternate and renewable energy sources the easier it is going to be when the oil runs out and we will have a better chance of fixing all the stuff that we have done to the earth.

Of course we'll have to, but it won't be any time soon. There will be a point where it won't be come economically effeciant to use it, and that will be the breaking point. Which I believe will happen long before we ever run out.

[bleep_bloop]

Of course we'll have to, but it won't be any time soon. There will be a point where it won't be come economically effeciant to use it, and that will be the breaking point. Which I believe will happen long before we ever run out.

you're thinking like you want it to be someone else's problem, but it wont. we have to fix this now; its already becoming a problem. plus, the sooner it can be fixed the less generations down the road will have to deal with it.

plus i'd hardly call $50 to fill up a tank efficient.

[Smokey D]

It's considerably more efficient than horse power or something, though.

[bleep_bloop]

It's considerably more efficient than horse power or something, though.

all im saying is that we fix our energy problems or possible problems now and not depend on future generations to fix them.

[WhoDidTheElf]

you're thinking like you want it to be someone else's problem, but it wont. we have to fix this now; its already becoming a problem. plus, the sooner it can be fixed the less generations down the road will have to deal with it.

plus i'd hardly call $50 to fill up a tank efficient.

You're talking like there is a viable economic alternative.

+ to smokey: Horse Power FTW!

[bleep_bloop]

You're talking like there is a viable economic alternative.

+ to smokey: Horse Power FTW!

no im saying that we need to start spending more time and money on developing alternatives

[WhoDidTheElf]

no im saying that we need to start spending more time and money on developing alternatives

For something that is less efficient? It's just not efficient enough right now to be worth the time or the money. When the cost of oil makes it more efficient, then you will see the money and time go into it.

[bleep_bloop]

For something that is less efficient? It's just not efficient enough right now to be worth the time or the money. When the cost of oil makes it more efficient, then you will see the money and time go into it.

less efficient environmentally or economically. sorry i forgot to mention that but i also think we need to spend more time and money on alternatives before we **** up the atmosphere irreparably in addition to the fact that we are going to eventually run out of gas.

[WhoDidTheElf]

less efficient environmentally or economically. sorry i forgot to mention that but i also think we need to spend more time and money on alternatives before we **** up the atmosphere irreparably in addition to the fact that we are going to eventually run out of gas.

Economically. You think 50$ to fill up is bad right now? Switch to an alternative, and you'll be paying out the ***.

And also if you want to save the planet, go call capt. planet, maybe he can save it. In the long run were all ****ed any ways, were just speeding the process up a bit.

[Smokey D]

all im saying is that we fix our energy problems or possible problems now and not depend on future generations to fix them.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying efficiency is relative.

[bleep_bloop]

And also if you want to save the planet, go call capt. planet, maybe he can save it. In the long run were all ****ed any ways, were just speeding the process up a bit.

lol thats pretty nihilistic. if we have a mass effort the planet can be saved and i would like it be habitable for future generations so im not going to sit back in my comfortable life and consign ourselves to a fate of a dead planet.

[WhoDidTheElf]

lol thats pretty nihilistic. if we have a mass effort the planet can be saved and i would like it be habitable for future generations so im not going to sit back in my comfortable life and consign ourselves to a fate of a dead planet.

No matter what we do, we are all ****ed. All it takes is one astroid and were all dead. Its happend before, its bound to happen again. Also, the planet isn't really that bad right now, plus I don't want kids so idc :P

Also individuals can't really make a change, even if ever person whent pure green, the goods we use will still polute the planet more than we are helping it.

[bleep_bloop]

Also individuals can't really make a change, even if ever person whent pure green, the goods we use will still polute the planet more than we are helping it.

hahahahahaha
no it's possible to have a sustainable industry. it will take lots and lots of work and paradigm shifting, but it can happen.
imho you need a paradigm shift.

[WhoDidTheElf]

hahahahahaha
no it's possible to have a sustainable industry. it will take lots and lots of work and paradigm shifting, but it can happen.
imho you need a paradigm shift.

This shift would also kick your wallet in the *** :P

[bleep_bloop]

well whatever i would gladly pay for a healthier planet and a better future for my kids. plus thats only one kind of wealth, you can be wealthy and not have much money too.

[WhoDidTheElf]

well whatever i would gladly pay for a healthier planet and a better future for my kids. plus thats only one kind of wealth, you can be wealthy and not have much money too.

Meh. It's a material world, unless your religious, that's the way it goes.

[sunshineplaysbass]

we could kick russia in the balls anyday. im not worried.

[Smokey D]

Naw, Iraq has demonstrated the fallibility of American hard power.

[sunshineplaysbass]

well, i think that's debatable, and we still have craptons of bombs stored up from various wars

plus, russia is still in a bad state, its pretty much a mess over there.

[WhoDidTheElf]

Naw, Iraq has demonstrated the fallibility of American hard power.

Meh, we can kick people in the balls, we just can't say "sorry" after words, and help with the recovery process.

[Smokey D]

I suspect Russia's own hard power would prevent America from kicking them in them in the balls. America has trouble dealing with terrorists, let alone nuclear armed states.

Though I think in a protracted war with full non nuclear commitment of resources, the US would win. Just that the process would be politically unsustainable and unimaginably high in human costs.

we still have craptons of bombs stored up from various wars


So does Russia...

[Reaganista]

war between the US and Russia is impossibly stupid and will never happen

[SoulSeekerz]

If it ever happens, pretty much it will become total worldwide nuclear devastation. Which should prevent it from happening in the first place.

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Theorizing about a war between Russia and the USA as we know them today is ridiculous. The two countries don't always get along, but there are lots of things they are allies on and there will be no war in the near future simply because there won't be a reason to. You can all chill out.

[metalkingtiger]

and about the oil situation it seems smarter to me to invest in finding another source of energy thatn worrying about who controls the world's oil because if anybody hasn't noticed there isn't going to be much left soon.