The Start And Early Forms of Terrorism

[Surtr]

I'm doing a school project on the Start and Early Forms of Terrorism. So I figured any help you guys could give me, would be helpful? :p Basically anything Pre-Al Queda or non-Al Queda related works.

Thanks a ton. Rep++ to people who provive good links etc. :)

:chug: :thumb:

[pedro durruti]

Terrorism's been around for centuries, but if you're looking for Islamic terrorism you could read up on the mujahideen in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, or maybe the Algerian war of independence.

[Surtr]

I need really anything that's not Islamic Terrorism.

[Dr Hooch]

Oh, the word has lost its real meaning nowadays...

IRA?

[lunchforthesky]

Terrorism has been around for thousands of years.

Since the Christian carrying out Terrorist acts against Rome through to the IRA and anti-monarchists throughout Europe.

[TheDarkHorse]

Terrorism's been around for centuries, but if you're looking for Islamic terrorism you could read up on the mujahideen in the Soviet war in Afghanistan, or maybe the Algerian war of independence.

couldnt have said it better

definitely check out the soviet occupation if you're looking for early al-queda

[ashman]

Does Guerilla tactics also come under Terrorism?

[Der Übermensch]

couldnt have said it better

definitely check out the soviet occupation if you're looking for early al-queda

When they were our bestest buddies :)

[EinzingerIsGod]

Does Guerilla tactics also come under Terrorism?

Some would say so. The word encompasses so much nowadays that you could make the argument that many things historically were forms of terrorism (American tactics against Britain in the revolution for example).

[griftadan]

guerilla tactics are generally waged with military strategic intent, where as terrorism is just about swaying political moods.

[ashman]

guerilla tactics are generally waged with military strategic intent, where as terrorism is just about swaying political moods.

So the IRA were Guerrilla fighters instead of Terrorists?

[griftadan]

i don't think the IRA ever had the intention of defeating the british military

[ashman]

i don't think the IRA ever had the intention of defeating the british military

They wanted to get the British out of Ireland, just like the Vietcong wanted to get the US out of Vietnam.

[Der Übermensch]

So the IRA were Guerrilla fighters instead of Terrorists?

Ones mans terrorist is a nothe rmans freedom fighter... its often a matter of perspective

[ashman]

Ones mans terrorist is a nothe rmans freedom fighter... its often a matter of perspective

That's my point basically. So anyone that's used guerilla tactics can be classed as a terrorist.

[Der Übermensch]

Not if they are a legitimate armed forces operating under a state of war.

ie The NVA weren't terrorists, but the VC could be termed it by some people.

[griftadan]

They wanted to get the British out of Ireland, just like the Vietcong wanted to get the US out of Vietnam.

using terrorist tactics, not guerilla tactics. guerilla tactics seek to make waging war from the oppositions standpoint unwinnable or simply not worth the costs, terrorists seek to make it unpopular at home. generally terrorists seek to do this by targeting civilians. and of course it's not limited to war, there can be any number of political goals.

[Dr Hooch]

I thought guerilla was the military equivalent of terrorism, where terrorism is more for political gain...

[Der Übermensch]

Guerilla refers to skirmish tactics... hit and run... harrasments... that kind of stuff... Nothing inherantly terroristic too it.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_terrorism

[TheDarkHorse]

When they were our bestest buddies :)

exactly!

sad how whoever we pay to fight someone else usually ends up attacking us later

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

exactly!

sad how whoever we pay to fight someone else usually ends up attacking us later


I think you're underestimating the number of groups we've paid to fight someone else who haven't attacked us (yet) ;)

[lunchforthesky]

True, America has its fingers in more pies than Hugh Hefner.

[spitfirejunky]

http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/early.php

I didn't read through the link, but it seems somewhat reliable.

[ashman]

using terrorist tactics, not guerilla tactics. guerilla tactics seek to make waging war from the oppositions standpoint unwinnable or simply not worth the costs, terrorists seek to make it unpopular at home. generally terrorists seek to do this by targeting civilians. and of course it's not limited to war, there can be any number of political goals.

Well in my opinion, the Vietnamese in the Vietnam war knew about the discontent in Homeland America, so just attacked them more.

I guess you could draw parallels to the USS Cole and the Pentagon attack on 9/11, between Guerilla and Terrorists

I think in all honesty, that the terms are interchangeable, depending on which side you look at it.

[pedro durruti]

Guerilla warfare is just another method to subvert enemy forces. One of the key aspects of terrorism is that it targets civilians, while at least in Vietnam I don't think the Vietcong did this. They may have terrorized the US military but that takes away any definition of terrorism and would make any form of mass violence terrorism.

[stevensonmat2]

Chingis Khan utilized terrorism in his campaigns. I suppose the vikings did as well, although they were just being terrifying for the hell of it, Khans terrorism had an intended purpose of open-conflict prevention.

I can't really think of any earlier forms of real terrorism.

[Linkinbassist]

Islamic Jihadism, or terrorism as we know it today as most yanks'll tell you, was started by an Egyptian who was an american scholar. The name escapes me now, but he penned the term 'Islamis jihad' in 1953. He is the basis from which Al-Qaeda and other middle-east terrorists draw their ideology from. Do research on him.

[pedro durruti]

Sayyid Qutb?

[Krabsworth]

Does Guerilla tactics also come under Terrorism?

well those tactics are always used against American troops so yes of course


:rolleyes:

[Reaganista]

Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

[Smokey D]

I by the power of the truth have come to conquer the whole universe.

And other quotes from V.

But actually, the November Plot is probably one of the earliest and most recognisable terrorist events in Western Europe.

[Reaganista]

I actually never saw that movie i'm just a big fan of guy fawkes

ps: is it any good?

[Dr Hooch]

Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

Hey, I never thought about that as terrorism.

That could lead to an awkward discussion with blair.

"If terrorism helped to bring this country democracy is it always a bad thing?"



Moral relativism hurts my head sometimes... :rolleyes:

[HazMatBlue]

look at mexicans and thier war in the french in the 1860's i'm not sure if it was terrorism but it was an insurgency

[Smokey D]

I actually never saw that movie i'm just a big fan of guy fawkes

ps: is it any good?

It's decent. Not the greatest movie ever made, but certainly not the worsrt.

Hey, I never thought about that as terrorism.

That could lead to an awkward discussion with blair.

"If terrorism helped to bring this country democracy is it always a bad thing?"



The Plotters wanted to end British democracy and install an absolutist Catholic monarch...