Alex Jones- Masters of Terror article guide

[Carrionshine]

Sure, we've all seen Screw Loose Change, Screw 9/11 Mysteries, and video guides to those films. Supposedly, they prove all 9/11 conspiracies wrong. But where is Screw Masters of Terror? I give you the blueprint of the film if you'd like to attempt it.........

In this film, Alex Jones sits infront of the camera and flashes mainstream news articles while giving a detailed summary about them. I took the time to gather up every article presented for your reading pleasure. Most were found in seconds, while others took a little time, and a few were dead links. Nonetheless, the articles presented in the film are d0cumentED. He's not making any of them up.

A link to the film itself can be found here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7752483415674202196&q=Masters+of+Terror

I must point out that he doesnt start presenting news articles until 23 minutes in, and there is plenty of content within the film that I didnt cover. I encourage you to watch it aswell.

Ok, here we go!:

US warned in 1995 of plot to hijack airplanes, attack buildings(CNN):
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html

US knew of suicide hijack threat in 1995(Fox News):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47133,00.html

Bush told of threat before September 11(London Guardian):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,716529,00.html

Bush warned of hijack threat before September 11(Associated Press)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article188534.ece

Bush knew of hijack threat(CBS News)
http://www.bulatlat.com/news/2-16/2-16-readerCBS.html

Hijackers’ trailed by CIA before attacks’(London Guardian)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Hijackers_trailed_by_CIA_before_attacks.htm

The Hijackers we let escape(MSNBC):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/The_Hijackers_We_Let_Escape.htm

’99 Report warned of suicide hijacking(Associated Press):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/17/attack/main509471.shtml

Unheeded Warnings(MSNBC):
(Link Expired)

Bush held up plan to hit Bin Laden(London Guardian):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,769398,00.html

US planned for attack on Al-Qaida 2 days before September 11(MSNBC):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/

NSA intercepts on eve of 9/11 sent a warning(Washington Post)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/NSA_Intercepts_On_Eve_of_911_Sent_a_Warning.htm

AF Officer for charging Bush knew of 911 attacks(Knight Ridders Newspaper)
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm

DLI officer removed for criticizing Bush(Monterey County Herald):
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/Bush-Critic-Suspended5jun02.htm

San Francisco attorney: Bush allowed 9/11(San Francisco Examiner)
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21C.hilton.suit.p.htm

Then the film cuts to Sean Hannity ripping Stanley Hilton in typical Fox news fasion.

US knew of several plane plots before 9/11(azcentral.com)
(link not found because search engine on that site sucks)

Report cites warnings before 9/11(CNN):
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/18/intelligence.hearings/

Agency to crash plane on 9/11 in drill, calls it bizarre coincidence(Associated Press):
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm

Talks about NORAD standing down. Compares it to Paine Stewarts incident and yadayada.

Talks about Lone Gunman episode with 9/11 plot in it.

Lt General Mahmoud(ISI) wires 100,000 dollars to Mohammad Atta(various sources)
Jones didn’t present just 1 specific source, so here’s a compilation of them.
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/d0cuments/SheikhMahmood.htm

Planes on 911 exceeded their software limits(Friends of Liberty):
http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48

He talks about John O’Neill, and EO w199i….

Bush took FBI Agents off Laden family trail(Times of India)
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305

FBI and US spy agents say Bush spiked Bin Laden probes before September 11(Greg Palast)
http://www.gregpalast.com/fbi-and-us-spy-agents-say-bush-spiked-bin-laden-probes-before-11-september/

US agents told to back off Bin Ladens(Ananova)
http://prisonplanet.com/us_agents_told_to_backoff.html

Bush thwarted FBI probe on bin Laden(AFP/Hindustan Times):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bush_thwarted_fbi_probe.html

Cant find the one he’s talking about, this appears to be the same one(Le Figaro)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0111/S00018.htm

Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9/11(World Net Daily)
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27647

New evidence that the Bureau quashed another terror probe before 9/11(LA Weekly)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/another_fbi_agent_blows_the_whistle.htm

Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained in US Bases(Newsweek)
http://prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

Sources: Hijacker’s landlord was FBI informant(CNN)
(Article not found)

Taleban “warned US of huge attack.”(BBC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2242594.stm

Trade Center warning baffles police(MSNBC):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/Trade_Center_warning_baffles_police.htm

Bin Laden’s trail(Times of London)
http://prisonplanet.com/bin_ladens_trail_rushdie.html

Instant Messages to Israel warned of World Trade Center attack(Washington Post):
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel(San Francisco Chronicle)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Echelon gave authorities warnings of attacks(Newsbytes):
http://www.bizreport.com/print/2137/

Police: Student spoke of attack before Sept. 11(The Journal News):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/student_spoke_of_attacks_before_sept_11.html

German police confirm Iranian deportee phoned warnings(Ananova):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/german_police_confirm_iranian_deportee_phoned_warn ings.html

Unexplained 9-11 explosion at WTC complex(American Free Press):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/unexplained_911_explosion_at_wtc_complex.htm

'Ignorant and inept' FBI failed to heed warning of attacks(New York Times):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/29/1030508074703.html

Lawmakers seek probe of Leaked Sept. 11 Intercepts(Reuters)
(Article not found)
This one is along the same lines though(CNN):
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/24/attacks.congress.leaks/index.html

Secure often means secret post-9/11, government stingy with information(USA Today):
http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorismfoi/securesecrets.html

Graham 9/11 study hindered(St Petersburg Times)
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/09/Worldandnation/Graham__911_study_hin.shtml

Inquiry of intelligence failures hits obstacles(LA Times):
http://www.intellnet.org/news/2002/05/04/9205-1.html

(/11 inquiry delayed as staff chief is ousted in CIA dispute(Seattle Post):
(Article not found)

Probe of Hill Leaks On 9/11 Is Intensified(Washington Post)
http://www.intellnet.org/news/2002/05/04/9205-1.html

Prepare for attack, Cheney tells US(London Guardian):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,718759,00.html

September 11 - US Government accused(Birmingham Post):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/september_11_us_government_accused.htm

US helped Taleban to safety, magazine says(London Guardian):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/us_helped_taliban_to_safety_magazine_claims.html

The ‘airlift of evil’(MSNBC):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the_airlift_of_evil.html

US let “Taleban men escape(The Times of London)
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/airlifts.htm

US sends suspects to face torture(London Guardian):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,665939,00.html

No leaders of Al Qaeda found at Guantanamo(Los Angeles Times):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/no_leaders_of_al_qaeda_found_at_guantanamo.htm

Authorities accused of delaying WTC investigation(NY Post)
(Link expired)

Mayor: Sept.11 should be kept secret(AP):
(Article not found)
Here’s one reported on the same day by The New York Times:
Records of 9/11 responses not for public, city says(NYT):
http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorismfoiny/recordsof911.html

Overview of Changes to Legal Rights(AP):
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/WarOnTerror/LegalRights.asp

FBI Asks Lawmakers to Take Lie Detector Test in Sept. 11 Leak Investigation(AP):
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/08.03A.fbi.lie.det.p.htm

Alerts Tied to Memo Flap(Washington Times):
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0522-08.htm

9/11: Did Bush do enough?(CBS):
(Article not found but who cares it’s just an attempted whitewash)

Report Cites Shortcomings at FBI, CIA, NSA(Fox News):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,57909,00.html

Bush; FBI, CIA didn’t communicate well before 9/11(Reuters)
(Link expired)

Bush concedes CIA, FBI faults, but doubts attacks avoidable(Washington Times):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1637/is_200206/ai_n7038203 (Only part of the article)

Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept.11 probes(CNN):
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/

Rowley Blasts FBI Bureaucracy(Fox News):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54603,00.html

FBI Whistleblower Takes Legal Action Demanding Co-Worker Be Deposed(Fox News)
http://ad-server-d10.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60333,00.html

Head of Sept. 11 Probe Allegedly Obstructed Danforth's Waco Inquiry(Washington Post):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A26102-2002Jun21&notFound=true

Bush warns Congress over security bill(BBC):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2153822.stm

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[Carrionshine]

Billionaire Predicts Nuclear Attack(Chicago Sun News):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20020506/ai_n12457575

Terrorism: A Permanent Condition(CBS):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/29/terror/main507549.shtml

Planned volunteer-informant corps elicits '1984' fears(Washington Times):
(Article expired) It’s basically about Operation TIPS, a program similar to the ones used in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and in Orwells 1984. Google it.

US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies(Sydney Morning Herald):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/14/1026185141232.html

Army Camp Keeps Boys In Shape(Moscow Times):
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2002/07/24/013.html You have to be a subscriber to see the whole article. It’s basically about a “Hitler Youth” program in Russia.

With homeland security in mind, summer camp trains teens(Philadelphia Enquire):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/with_homeland_security_in_mind_summer_camp_trains_ teens.html

Civilian Inmate Labor(US Army website):
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision(LA Times):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/camps_for_citizens.html

Shredding The Constitution(Wall Street Journal):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110001893

Secret detentions violate American values(Seattle Times):
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=detained07&date=20020807&query=Secret+detentions+violate+American+values

Ashcroft seeks to abuse use of 'secret courts'(News Day):
(Article expired)

Judge orders release of Sept.11 arrestee names(Findlaw Legal News):
(Article expired)
BUT I FOUND THIS GREAT PDF FILE INSTEAD:
http://www.nysda.org/Defense_News/News_Archives/04_TerrorismLawsAll.pdf

US defies Judge on enemy combatant(Washington Post):
(link expired)
Here’s a link to keep you busy though: http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/loss/timeline/timeline.pdf

Bush Official: One More Terror Attack On US, Goodbye Civil Rights(Moscow Times):
http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/07/26/120.html

Bush Would Send SWAT Teams To Journalists' Homes(News Max):
http://www.rense.com/general27/devour.htm

FBI begins visiting libraries(Associated Press):
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0624-07.htm

Suspending Habeas Corpus(New American)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1993/is_200207/ai_n7165919 You have to pay to see the whole thing.

Foundations are in place for martial law in the US(Sydney Morning Herald):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html

FEMA Preparing for Mass Destruction Attacks on Cities(News Max):
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/14/214727.shtml

FBI objects to the Constitution(Boulder Weekly):
http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/052302/incaseyoumissedit.html

Your ID Please, Citizen(Popular Science): http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/9e22359b9fa84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

Burma to launch e-passport(BBC):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2191883.stm

Retailers test paying by fingerprint(USA Today):
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2002-07-29-fingerprint_x.htm

Reviving a de facto national ID card(Washington Times):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1637/is_200207/ai_n7150818 You have to pay for this, original link was dead.

Store Customer Cards a Source for FBI?(Fox News):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59262,00.html

Police ask stores to take fingerprints(Star-Telegram):
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200209/msg00048.html

New system lets Kroger shoppers pay with fingerprint(US press news):
http://uspressnews.com/articles/1058

Cashless Society 'Inevitable;' a Boost to Globalist Taxers?(News Max):
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/28/181711.shtml

Shops try chips for tracking every move by client 'tribe'Monitoring systems note what catches customers' eyes(Washington Post):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/06/24/BU147064.DTL&type=business

It shows a Fox news clip that can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1PVbXkE6RY

Fearful Parents turn to privacy devices(Star Telegram):
(Star Telegram fails me again)

Rental Car companies may track you via GPS(Unknown):
(No find) but hey heres one for ya: http://writ.news.findlaw.com/ramasastry/20050823.html

College Seeks Security in Thumbs(Wired):
http://www.wired.com/culture/education/news/2002/08/53912

Vaccine Cancer Scare(New York Post):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_072002_depopulation.html

DNA Test Links Autism to MMR(Sunday Herald):
http://www.healingedge.net/store/briefs_autism_to_mmr.html

Blood tests link MMR to autism(Scotland on Sunday):
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=943562002

Virus engineered to sterilize pests(Washington Times):
(Link expired)

Vaccinations from Austin clinics could be bad(Unknown)
(No link found)

There’s No Place To Hide(Wired):
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2002/08/54598

Feds Open 'Total' Tech Spy System(Wired):
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2002/08/54342

Delaware police compiles database for future subjects(Associated Press):
(Article expired):

US report foretells of brave new world(Sydney Morning Herald):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/20/1026898931815.html?oneclick=true

Why the future doesn’t need us(Wired/Bill Joy):
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html

UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK’D BY COURT(AAPS):
http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nrsell.htm

City to tax rainwater(Winona Daily News):
http://www.elfis.net/phorum/read.php?f=36&i=363&t=363

Will Military enforce domestic law?(World Net Daily):
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28433

Agents leaving border patrol in droves, union says(Star Telegram)
(Star Telegram can lick my fusty walrus!in balls)

Immigration bill offers felons a second chance; Criminals could make return to U.S(Washington Times):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1637/is_200207/ai_n7158905

US military may recruit foreigners to serve(CSMonitor):
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1226/dailyUpdate.html

Canada-US troop deal 'close'(BBC):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2222767.stm

ARMY RECRUITING THROUGH VIDEO GAMES(Washington Post):
http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/news/articles/videogames.htm

New Law lets Army get info on High School Kids(New York Post):
(A working link would be awesome right here)

US sends suspects to face torture(London Guardian):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,665939,00.html

British 'force field' protects tanks(London Daily Telegraph):
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1177/pg1

The answer? A domestic CIA(Newsweek):
http://www.fareedzakaria.com/ARTICLES/newsweek/052702.html



There you are. The mainstream news media clearly works for Alex Jones.:lol:

I'm interested in seeing how debunkers debate the facts, and not the specalutory claims made by conspiracy theorists(I.E. No plane in Pentagon, Explosives in WTC, Shanksville crater....ect.). This bud's for you. :chug:

[Smokey D]

Why do people still care about this? It wasn't a damn conspiracy, unless it was a conspiracy of idiots.

[Der Übermensch]

I don't even know what this is, let alone care...

[TheDarkHorse]

impressive

..that you took the time to find all of those articles. Show them to the conspirator debunkers, not the forum members

[SoulSeekerz]

Alex Jones is a fearmonger. He plays on peoples fears and what if scenarios sprinkled with half-truths and fiction.

[Carrionshine]

Why do people still care about this? It wasn't a damn conspiracy, unless it was a conspiracy of idiots.

People care about this because it is based on real facts and not the specaulory claims about controlled demolitions and no plane theories. This list shows that the government had foreknowledge, made war plans before 9/11, ran drills to throw NORAD off, and has effectively used 9/11 to propell America towards an authoritarian police state. This we all know. Why in the hell do debunkers waste so much time illuminating the easily defused specalutory theories about missles, space rays, and no plane theories?

But if you are interested in hearing from people who really do care about this, you should listen to some people who were actually there at the WTC site on 9/11. First responders and rescue workers who are dropping dead infront of their families from pulmonary fibrosis. http://www.supportthetruth.com/audioSeries.php

Alex Jones is a fearmonger. He plays on peoples fears and what if scenarios sprinkled with half-truths and fiction.

This post would be great with specific examples. Throw as many as you got.

[Iskandar]

has effectively used 9/11 to propell America towards an authoritarian police state.Um, no it didn't. A few civil liberties were arguably infringed upon. This is not the same as turning America into Oceania.

[SoulSeekerz]

People care about this because it is based on real facts and not the specaulory claims about controlled demolitions and no plane theories. This list shows that the government had foreknowledge, made war plans before 9/11, ran drills to throw NORAD off, and has effectively used 9/11 to propell America towards an authoritarian police state. This we all know. Why in the hell do debunkers waste so much time illuminating the easily defused specalutory theories about missles, space rays, and no plane theories?

But if you are interested in hearing from people who really do care about this, you should listen to some people who were actually there at the WTC site on 9/11. First responders and rescue workers who are dropping dead infront of their families from pulmonary fibrosis. http://www.supportthetruth.com/audioSeries.php



This post would be great with specific examples. Throw as many as you got.
Last time I ever listened to his show, he said there was proof that warhead size explosives were detonated at the exact instant the jets hit the towers. I say BS, no proof of any such devices were ever found. After that, I no longer tuned into Alex Jones.

[italic zero]

i hate to go ad hominem, but have you checked out some of this guy's other claims?

[GuitarGuy77]

I find it interesting that you guys seem to be avoiding the subject of thread, and instead turn your attention to critical attacks of Alex Jones as a person. From what I've gathered it seems that if a person makes a few somewhat exaggerated claims, then there is no reason to beleive ANYTHING that he says.

Ps: Nice work Carrionshine, it's a shame your efforts are generally wasted on this board...

[italic zero]

we're avoiding the subject because who the hell wants to go through those links

[Reaganista]

Um, no it didn't. A few civil liberties were arguably infringed upon. This is not the same as turning America into Oceania.

nononono ur wrong Orwell was a visionary!

[Carrionshine]

Um, no it didn't. A few civil liberties were arguably infringed upon. This is not the same as turning America into Oceania.

Just a few? Post 2 of that list says otherwise. Could it perhaps be mislead? Police States come incrementaly. It may not be clear now, but the foundations for martial law are set. Let's just say one day he declares you an 'enemy combatant'....now he can imprison you for the rest of your life without ever telling you why they took you in. Imagine this on a more brainwashed society in the decades to come.

Last time I ever listened to his show, he said there was proof that warhead size explosives were detonated at the exact instant the jets hit the towers. I say BS, no proof of any such devices were ever found. After that, I no longer tuned into Alex Jones.
I have never listened to his radio show. I've seen most of his d0cumentaries and I have never heard him say that before. I was looking for d0cumented proof from you.

I find it interesting that you guys seem to be avoiding the subject of thread, and instead turn your attention to critical attacks of Alex Jones as a person. From what I've gathered it seems that if a person makes a few somewhat exaggerated claims, then there is no reason to beleive ANYTHING that he says.

Ps: Nice work Carrionshine, it's a shame your efforts are generally wasted on this board...

Thanks. I always get the reactions that I knew I would get. I posted this on some other board and they went straight to attacking Alex Jones without having proof to back up their claims. Here we see the Jr. version of it.

I did not post anything of Alex Jones speaking his opinion. Those are all news headlines. He is irrelevent in this discussion.

Fine, here's some interesting poop to listen to. http://www.supportthetruth.com/audioSeries.php

It got a no sold last time I posted it. Seriously its a good listen.

[Carrionshine]

I'm disappointed in you guys. Victory for me I guess.

[drewhet]

http://www.supportthetruth.com/fullAudio/2-David_Miller-National_Guard.mp3

what is this guy talking about? cyanide? he thinks the government poisoned the rescue workers? this guy sounds like an overweight retard

[Eliminator]

I don't even know what this is, let alone care...

this.

[griftadan]

oh goddammit not this **** again

[Carrionshine]

http://www.supportthetruth.com/fullAudio/2-David_Miller-National_Guard.mp3

what is this guy talking about? cyanide? he thinks the government poisoned the rescue workers? this guy sounds like an overweight retard

No, you misunderstood him. He's not talking about cyanide, he said "Mount Sinai". Mount Sinai tested thousands of rescue workers and concluded that at least 70 percent of them suffered from respiratory ailments. You can read about it here. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/nyregion/06health.html?ex=1180929600&en=1d4df13ee9d704ef&ei=5070

He sounds like an 'overweight retard' because he's suffering from pulmonary fibrosis, and will die an early death because of it. This man volunteered to rescue people from the rubble, and should be considered a hero for doing so. He and thousands of others were knowingly lied to about air quality there and as a result he is paying the price of a shortened life. Show a little more respect. He would have fought to save your worthless *** from that pile of rubble.

oh goddammit not this poop again
Anything else you'd like to add? You know, I find it personally rewarding to see posters like Smokey D, and yourself(Otherwise very intelligent posters)being reduced to having nothing to say. I remember getting flamed up the *** by you guys when I first came here with that Loose Change stuff. This thread has recieved nothing but very weak responses, and has been completely ignored by the rest of the "non-believers".

I also got a kick at how much attention Zero's "1 in 3 democrats in insane" bullpoop thread. There, once again, I presented evidence that countered you guys, and was once again ignored. Like I have said before, you guys need to re-evaluate 9/11. I'm not asking you to believe that missiles hit the Pentagon, or that space lasers brought down the towers, but I am asking you to look at this with a critical eye before jumping to the ad hominem attacks and conspiracy nut remarks. There is SO MUCH MORE to 9/11 truth than the specalutory bullcrap that Popular Mechanics and that BBC hit piece covered. I feel sorry for you guys. I really do. I cant believe you guys wont man up and admit you are wrong. Every single thread I have started in this forum has fallen off like a rock, due to recieving mostly 1 sentence responses of denial. "Therez no north american union dood" or "i dont see whut da big deal is" and so on. It is clear to me that I am presenting you with **** that you cant refute. I love it.

Why am I complaining though? I should be quite ecstatic to see that your reactions are exactly what is expected from people who are faced with the truth.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

2 down, 1 more to go.:chug:


Here is a great website that has an extremely comprehensive and detailed 9/11 timeline. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

The site is completely non-biased, and merely provides all the pieces for the researcher to put together and arrive at their own conclusions. Highly recommended.:cool:

[Smokey D]

We dont argue these threads brcause the kind of people who believe this **** are not going to be convinced. Plus, the information you've presented to us is in such volume and in such rambling style that it is difficult to digest and respond to.

Consider that in the other thread you said you thought that a junior high dance party and Paris Hilton were signals of a new world order, not to mention the fact that you think people aren't critical of the war or this and pretty much every other government.

[Der Übermensch]

Look at it this way... In a way, we all love the fact you made this thread... Not because we agree with it... we think its ****ing stupid... but because it great to know that no matter how addicted we are to MX, non of us would ever devote as much time to creating a thread as you did here. We can never be the biggest loser on the board...

[drewhet]

No, you misunderstood him. He's not talking about cyanide, he said "Mount Sinai". Mount Sinai tested thousands of rescue workers and concluded that at least 70 percent of them suffered from respiratory ailments. You can read about it here. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/nyregion/06health.html?ex=1180929600&en=1d4df13ee9d704ef&ei=5070

He sounds like an 'overweight retard' because he's suffering from pulmonary fibrosis, and will die an early death because of it. This man volunteered to rescue people from the rubble, and should be considered a hero for doing so. He and thousands of others were knowingly lied to about air quality there and as a result he is paying the price of a shortened life. Show a little more respect. He would have fought to save your worthless *** from that pile of rubble.


First, with dust and rubble flying around after the buildings came down, it doesnt take a f'kin genious to realize that the quality of the air is poor. Second, if the rescue men knew the air quality was bad, would they have not done their jobs and saved people? Thats not a hero.


Third, if i'm so worthless, then why do you even care about these conspiracies? You are a selfish peice of ****. You only care about saving yourself from this "new world order" crap, in which case you can just move to another country.

For the record, i used to beleive these conspiracies.....then i quit smoking pot

[ashman]

Quickly skimming over some of those articles.

Some things came to mind:

Why post them all in one load? If you wanted to discuss them, post a few related articles at a time. People will look at the mass of links and just give up on it.

A large portion of those articles (well ones that are related), seem to point to the fact that there was intelligence pointing towards the attacks. I suggest you read up on bomb scares, ofcourse, it'd be on a larger scale then the usual building.

And lastly, a lot of those articles seem unrelated to each other. There are a few, but then the sources are of questionable reliability (re: Tabloids, Fox .etc).

I don't actually see the point of this thread :confused:

[Surtr]

Alright mate, here's how it goes down.

You're slow. And obviously infuriated about close to nothing.

You've stated something tons of people already have. Good job. Were you hoping for us to all go outside and start rioting right now?

Sorry, I believe there was pre-knowledge about 9/11...But there's been this kinda' stuff happen Millions of times without a single result of a bomb or anything. The odds of 9/11 even actually happening, or being real at the time were slim to none.

Whatcha' wanna' do about it? We already know man, and we couldn't care less, 'cause there's nothing you can do about it.

[Carrionshine]

We dont argue these threads brcause the kind of people who believe this **** are not going to be convinced. Plus, the information you've presented to us is in such volume and in such rambling style that it is difficult to digest and respond to.

Bullpoop. I've seem quite a few threads based off of Loose Change that blew up into multiple page threads. Exactly what 'kind' of people are you talking about? What is it that separates us from the rest of you?

I understand I posted a huge load of information, that is why I chose to be specific with the 9/11 first responder speeches. Maybe you missed those though.

Fine, we can try specifics again. Jerome Hauer is director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness. He is also managing director of Kroll Associates, a presidential "bodyguard" so to speak. He is probably better known for urging the white house staff to start taking Cipro on September 11th, an antibiotic effective against anthrax. He was dead on the money, as anthrax was used in attacks soon after.

On September 11th, Kroll was in charge of security at the World Trade Center. Hauer had been the guy who hired John P. O'Neill to work as head of security at the towers. His first day on the job was on September 10th, 2001. John P. O'Neill was perhaps the worlds most informed and passionate Bin Laden/Al Qaeda persuant, and was an open critic of Bush's counterterrorism program. According to ABC senior producer Chris Isham, in August in 2001 O'Neill recognized the WTC as being a potential terrorist target.....
Isham said "When he had first gotten the job at the World Trade Center, he told me, 'I've got this great job. I'm head of security at the World Trade Center.' And I joked with him and said, 'Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again.' And he said, 'Well actually -- he immediately came back and he said, 'actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again."
As you may already know, O'Neill died on 9/11. Ironic and sad that he died in the very event he fought for 10 years to prevent.......

But back to Jerome Hauer(I'd say he looks guilty in the murder of O'Neill). Anyway, he was being interviewed by Dan Rather on September 11th. The interview went like this......
Dan Rather: Based on what you know, and I recognize we’re dealing with so few facts, is it possible that just a plane crash could have collapsed these buildings, or would it have required the, sort of, prior positioning of other explosives in the, uh, in the buildings? I mean, what do you think?

Jerome Hauer: No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.
Ok, so Jerome happens to have figured out why the towers collapsed way before anyone else has. Lucky guess?
Dan Rather: What perspective can you give us? I mean, there have been these repeated reports that, well, yes, Osama Bin Laden, but some think he’s been over-emphasized as, as responsible for these kinds of events. I know many intelligence, uh, people at very high levels who say, listen, you can’t have these kinds of attacks without having some state, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, somebody involved. Put that into perspective for us.

Jerome Hauer: Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden.
WOW! He even knows Bin Laden did it. Well isnt he amazing? He knows how the towers collapsed, and he knows who did it. All on the very morning on September 11th, when everybody is in complete shock and disbelief. Thank god Dan Rather just so happened to interview the one guy who's got it figured out. Official story here we come.

You can watch video of it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA And pay attention to the douche at the beginning of the video. Fox news just so happened to interview one guy in the crowd of baffled and confused people that knows how the towers collapsed. My oh my what luck!


Consider that in the other thread you said you thought that a junior high dance party and Paris Hilton were signals of a new world order, not to mention the fact that you think people aren't critical of the war or this and pretty much every other government.
I said nothing of the sort. Go re-read it again.

[Smokey D]

On September 11th, Kroll was in charge of security at the World Trade Center. Hauer had been the guy who hired John P. O'Neill to work as head of security at the towers. His first day on the job was on September 10th, 2001. John P. O'Neill was perhaps the worlds most informed and passionate Bin Laden/Al Qaeda persuant, and was an open critic of Bush's counterterrorism program. According to ABC senior producer Chris Isham, in August in 2001 O'Neill recognized the WTC as being a potential terrorist target.....
Isham said "When he had first gotten the job at the World Trade Center, he told me, 'I've got this great job. I'm head of security at the World Trade Center.' And I joked with him and said, 'Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again.' And he said, 'Well actually -- he immediately came back and he said, 'actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again."
As you may already know, O'Neill died on 9/11. Ironic and sad that he died in the very event he fought for 10 years to prevent......

An anecdotal conversation with no context framed by a major attack and in an atmosphere of conspiracy proves absolutely nothing.


Ok, so Jerome happens to have figured out why the towers collapsed way before anyone else has. Lucky guess?

A plane hit the towers! It's not evidence of a conspiracy that someone assumed they were, I dunno, critical in their collapse. Both the causes he mentioned were completely obvious to anyone who saw the footage and entirely reasonable guesses even for non-scientists. When I saw the footage I knew why they had collapsed, but I can assure you I'm not part of a conspiracy.

God, this is just evidence of my conclusion that conspiracy nuts will take anything as proof of a conspiracy.


WOW! He even knows Bin Laden did it. Well isnt he amazing? He knows how the towers collapsed, and he knows who did it. All on the very morning on September 11th, when everybody is in complete shock and disbelief. Thank god Dan Rather just so happened to interview the one guy who's got it figured out. Official story here we come.

No one knew bin Laden did it, but he was a figure that featured heavily in pre-attack intelligence. It was not an unreasonable guess given what was known at the time of the attack, though it wasn't confirmed until later.

You can't give plausible explanations as to what happened as evidence for a conspiracy. Maybe the government organised it so that Dan Rather would interview someone with a pre written lie about what happened that were manufactured to fit in with what was later propogated by the Administration. More likely, they're just plausible explanations that were reached independently given what was known about what happened. Jeez, what a stupid attempt at a conspiracy theory.

[Carrionshine]

Look at it this way... In a way, we all love the fact you made this thread... Not because we agree with it... we think its ****ing stupid... but because it great to know that no matter how addicted we are to MX, non of us would ever devote as much time to creating a thread as you did here. We can never be the biggest loser on the board...
I gathered those articles over the course of 2 weeks for my own self enlightenment. I would put in like 20-30 minutes a day into it tops. I really didnt devote my life to it because it was remarkably easy to find all of them. I just thought it would be interesting to post the list on a few different forums, so I did. How exactly does that make me a loser again?

First, with dust and rubble flying around after the buildings came down, it doesnt take a f'kin genious to realize that the quality of the air is poor. Second, if the rescue men knew the air quality was bad, would they have not done their jobs and saved people? Thats not a hero.
Nobody asked David Miller to go rescue people. He volunteered. He wasnt "doing his job", he was doing what he felt was the right thing to do, and attempted to rescue people. Does your definition of a hero always include a cape and a spandex outfit or something? What is a hero then?
The EPA told the 9/11 rescue workers that the air was no worse than second hand smoke. They were knowingly mislead.

Third, if i'm so worthless, then why do you even care about these conspiracies? You are a selfish peice of ****. You only care about saving yourself from this "new world order" crap, in which case you can just move to another country.
I dont quite get what your point is. I only called you worthless because you were showing no respect to David Miller for his work at the towers, and his sacrifice. If I was really so selfish, I wouldnt try to share this information with you guys in the first place. As Greenbastard would have said, I would be in my cabin up in Canada by now.

For the record, i used to beleive these conspiracies.....then i quit smoking pot

Sobriety has you in a haze. I'll bring the blunt, you bring the lighter.


Quickly skimming over some of those articles.

Some things came to mind:

Why post them all in one load? If you wanted to discuss them, post a few related articles at a time. People will look at the mass of links and just give up on it.

A large portion of those articles (well ones that are related), seem to point to the fact that there was intelligence pointing towards the attacks. I suggest you read up on bomb scares, ofcourse, it'd be on a larger scale then the usual building.

And lastly, a lot of those articles seem unrelated to each other. There are a few, but then the sources are of questionable reliability (re: Tabloids, Fox .etc).

I don't actually see the point of this thread
I posted them in one load because I just went by the d0cumentary. You and I have seen Screw Loose Change, or a Loose Change guide. Well, I present you with the Masters of Terror guide.

I also find some to them to be questionable too. I posted them for anyone else to see. I hear how Alex Jones is such a raving lying whacko all the time, and here's a chance to prove it.

Alright mate, here's how it goes down.

You're slow. And obviously infuriated about close to nothing.

You've stated something tons of people already have. Good job. Were you hoping for us to all go outside and start rioting right now?

Sorry, I believe there was pre-knowledge about 9/11...But there's been this kinda' stuff happen Millions of times without a single result of a bomb or anything. The odds of 9/11 even actually happening, or being real at the time were slim to none.

Whatcha' wanna' do about it? We already know man, and we couldn't care less, 'cause there's nothing you can do about it.
Boy dont you feel insignificant?

[gregulus]

The two interview exerpts you posted have no bearing on any sort of conspiracy, to be honest. He speculated that two planes hitting the towers caused the collapse. That's a common sense assessment. He also speculated that the attacks had the "fingerprints" of someone like Bin Laden. Again, not a really far-fetched assumption.

[Swill_Merchant]

Look at it this way... In a way, we all love the fact you made this thread... Not because we agree with it... we think its ****ing stupid... but because it great to know that no matter how addicted we are to MX, non of us would ever devote as much time to creating a thread as you did here. We can never be the biggest loser on the board...

Awesome. So the you rip apart the T.S. for posting all this information, then, if he didn't post enough information there would be bitching and moaning about how there isn't. :thumb: It is nice to know that you can talk about people being ****ing.

[Surtr]

Boy dont you feel insignificant?

Far from it.

My point is, what exactly do you intend on doing by making this thread?

Impeach Bush? His term is almost over!

Oh wait, raise awareness! Errr except we all already know most of this, except for the stuff that's just nonsensical.

I'm at a loss for your point in making this thread. Please enlighten me.

Awesome. So the you rip apart the T.S. for posting all this information, then, if he didn't post enough information there would be bitching and moaning about how there isn't. It is nice to know that you can talk about people being ****ing.

He said it would be easier to present all this material in a smaller form. Not in such a massive quantity, as no one is near motivated enough to read a ton of stuff that has little fact behind it, when there is that much of it.

As for posting too little information, he did in a sense..It's rambling. It's presented in a massive plain and simple *BAM* order, that doesn't really explain much of it, and is just much to long for anyone to care.

[Der Übermensch]

Awesome. So the you rip apart the T.S. for posting all this information, then, if he didn't post enough information there would be bitching and moaning about how there isn't. :thumb: It is nice to know that you can talk about people being ****ing.

I rip apart the thread starter for being a idiot with too much time on his hands, and very little common sense to top it off, believing in inane conspiracy theories.

[Against Miik!]

Um, no it didn't. A few civil liberties were arguably infringed upon. This is not the same as turning America into Oceania.

Authoritarian is not totalitarian. There is a difference. We are currently Authoritarian because we are handing our rights back to the government and the general public discourages dissent. Both of these are traits that eventually lead to a totalitarian government.

[drewhet]

didnt alex jones claim that there was going to be a nuclear bomb dropped on america in october? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAHqSfDNjaI



lmao, listen to the song. haha
http://www.september12-2006.com/

[Swill_Merchant]

I rip apart the thread starter for being a idiot with too much time on his hands, and very little common sense to top it off, believing in inane conspiracy theories.


No, I agree with you on the stupid conspiracy theories part. I am sick of 9/11, Moon landing, JFK, and what ever else Greenday/Bush-hating bands sing about being posted on here.

As far as posting too much info, I agree; but at least he came prepared (metaphorically speaking). Yeah, he may have way too much time on is hands. Yet his opinions and feelings on a subject may be disagreable, but I wouldn't go as far as dubbing him an idiot or a loser.

At least he wasn't being a bitch at the begining, maybe later? ( have no clue as to the rhetoric chosen later since the TS's posts got way to long for me to care about.)

[Carrionshine]

An anecdotal conversation with no context framed by a major attack and in an atmosphere of conspiracy proves absolutely nothing.
It proves that John O'Neill knew the enemy well enough to understand that the WTC was a target. O'Neill was the FBI's top Bin Laden/Al Qaeda expert. He had been tracking Osama since 1995, and tracked him past the Embassy Bombings in Kenya and the USS Cole bombings. Washington refused to send him to investigate the embassy bombings. He was sent to investigate the Cole bombing, but cited that his investigations were blocked by an uncooperative government in Yemen. He left Yemen for a brief vacation and was not allowed to return. I must point out that O'Neill was the guy who leaked Executive Order w1991i(Urging the FBI to keep off of Bin Laden).

Why would the US government be so persistant in blocking his investigations into Osama Bin Laden?

Jerome Hauer gave him the job at the WTC, and he started the day before 9/11. Am I supposed to believe that by some grand coincidence John O'Neill began working at the WTC, only to die in an attack blamed on his arch nemesis? This would only be another one of those improbable coincidences from that absurd day. I smell a rat.


A plane hit the towers! It's not evidence of a conspiracy that someone assumed they were, I dunno, critical in their collapse. Both the causes he mentioned were completely obvious to anyone who saw the footage and entirely reasonable guesses even for non-scientists. When I saw the footage I knew why they had collapsed, but I can assure you I'm not part of a conspiracy.

God, this is just evidence of my conclusion that conspiracy nuts will take anything as proof of a conspiracy.


No one knew bin Laden did it, but he was a figure that featured heavily in pre-attack intelligence. It was not an unreasonable guess given what was known at the time of the attack, though it wasn't confirmed until later.

You can't give plausible explanations as to what happened as evidence for a conspiracy. Maybe the government organised it so that Dan Rather would interview someone with a pre written lie about what happened that were manufactured to fit in with what was later propogated by the Administration. More likely, they're just plausible explanations that were reached independently given what was known about what happened. Jeez, what a stupid attempt at a conspiracy theory.

I think you are a little bit too quick to brush Jerome Hauer off as being just another guy.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort. By coincidence?
I already mentioned how he told the White House staff to start taking Cipro, to fight a possible anthrax attack, and sure enough, anthrax became an issue. Again, Jerome Hauer managed the response to the anthrax attack. The anthrax from the attacks was identified as an "Ames strain", meaning it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Jerome Hauer led a very slow investigation into it. Why would he do that? Perhaps because the prime suspect in the anthrax attacks was a man by the name of Steven Hatfill.

Steven Hatfill was a long time friend of Jerome Hauer and was his co-worker in the SAIC(Scientific Applications International Corporation). Hatfill was working in the military grade Anthrax program at USAMRIID. Seriously, who can make this **** up?

Jerome Hauer is a well known Council on Foreign Relations(remember them?)advisor. But in your eyes, he's nothing more than another spectator.:rolleyes:

[Carrionshine]

An anecdotal conversation with no context framed by a major attack and in an atmosphere of conspiracy proves absolutely nothing.
It proves that John O'Neill knew the enemy well enough to understand that the WTC was a target. O'Neill was the FBI's top Bin Laden/Al Qaeda expert. He had been tracking Osama since 1995, and tracked him past the Embassy Bombings in Kenya and the USS Cole bombings. Washington refused to send him to investigate the embassy bombings. He was sent to investigate the Cole bombing, but cited that his investigations were blocked by an uncooperative government in Yemen. He left Yemen for a brief vacation and was not allowed to return. I must point out that O'Neill was the guy who leaked Executive Order w1991i(Urging the FBI to keep off of Bin Laden).

Why would the US government be so persistant in blocking his investigations into Osama Bin Laden?

Jerome Hauer gave him the job at the WTC, and he started the day before 9/11. Am I supposed to believe that by some grand coincidence John O'Neill began working at the WTC, only to die in an attack blamed on his arch nemesis? This would only be another one of those improbable coincidences from that absurd day. I smell a rat.


A plane hit the towers! It's not evidence of a conspiracy that someone assumed they were, I dunno, critical in their collapse. Both the causes he mentioned were completely obvious to anyone who saw the footage and entirely reasonable guesses even for non-scientists. When I saw the footage I knew why they had collapsed, but I can assure you I'm not part of a conspiracy.

God, this is just evidence of my conclusion that conspiracy nuts will take anything as proof of a conspiracy.


No one knew bin Laden did it, but he was a figure that featured heavily in pre-attack intelligence. It was not an unreasonable guess given what was known at the time of the attack, though it wasn't confirmed until later.

You can't give plausible explanations as to what happened as evidence for a conspiracy. Maybe the government organised it so that Dan Rather would interview someone with a pre written lie about what happened that were manufactured to fit in with what was later propogated by the Administration. More likely, they're just plausible explanations that were reached independently given what was known about what happened. Jeez, what a stupid attempt at a conspiracy theory.

I think you are a little bit too quick to brush Jerome Hauer off as being just another guy.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort. By coincidence?
I already mentioned how he told the White House staff to start taking Cipro, to fight a possible anthrax attack, and sure enough, anthrax became an issue. Again, Jerome Hauer managed the response to the anthrax attack. The anthrax from the attacks was identified as an "Ames strain", meaning it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Jerome Hauer led a very slow investigation into it. Why would he do that? Perhaps because the prime suspect in the anthrax attacks was a man by the name of Steven Hatfill.

Steven Hatfill was a long time friend of Jerome Hauer and was his co-worker in the SAIC(Scientific Applications International Corporation). Hatfill was working in the military grade Anthrax program at USAMRIID. Seriously, who can make this **** up?

Jerome Hauer is a well known Council on Foreign Relations(remember them?)advisor. But in your eyes, he's nothing more than another spectator.:rolleyes: