physics behind a cymbal

[Sync0pation]

does anyone have any links about how a cymbal works, or the physics behind it, or anything? I know its out there, I just can't find it. Thanks in advance.

[We_Love_Lime]

White noise is the presence of all frequencies.
That's all I know, sorry.

[The Ska Man]

White noise is the presence of all frequencies.
That's all I know, sorry.

Nice to know.

This thread has some great potential. I'd love to learn more about this.

If all else fails, make a thread over at cymbalholic.

[Chippy569]

turn the sound up for this: this is a flat plate on top of a speaker hooked up to a sine wave generator. some salt is poured on top of the plate:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sOMiowrff0Y

as frequency increases, the "nodal points" move as do the "shapes"




now do the opposite. Take your plate, make it round and profiled, and hit it to make it vibrate. Certain points will vibrate at certain freqs and be nodal at others. Thus producing the "white noise" we know as cymabls :D

[Panopticon]

I don't know for sure but i suppose it goes like this...you hit it...it moves the sound waves in such a way that it makes the sound of a cymbal...

[Chippy569]

here, found the thread i was looking for:
http://www.cymbalholic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14168&page=2

http://photos.imageevent.com/drumaholic/trademarks/IMG_0001.jpg

[The Ska Man]

I'm SO freaking lost =P

[TojesDolan]

The same as any other soundwave, you hit the cymbal (or whatever metal piece), it creates a soundwave, the frequency and peaks is determined by the particular figure and material of the cymbal.

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wikipedia knows better, anyway.

[We_Love_Lime]

Nice to know.



No problem.

[Chippy569]

ask me again at the end of fall semester.

[GooseFilms.net]

awesome thread. makes me wish i had a real grasp on the concept

[Sync0pation]

well i found a little bit more stuff

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/May02/articles/synthsecrets0502.asp

nice article

and

http://www.acoustics.salford.ac.uk/feschools/waves/cymbalvideo.htm

really awesome...beautiful, if i may say so myself. i wonder if higher-quality cymbals would exhibit a different vibrational patterns, possibly more uniform?

[wesm9787]

Hey GooseFilms where have you been?

Random people keep showing up or leaving on here lately...

Also, I somewhat understand what you guys are talking about, but not enough to be able to contribute anything. So I will just keep quiet so as not to look stupid.

[LoneStarDrummer]

it's not too complicated really. when you hit a cymbal, you cause vibrations through out the cymbal. these vibrations set up waves through the cymbal itself. the waves are dependent on the frequency of the vibration. this vibration is dependent on several factors, the properties of the metal, the means in which it's lathed and hammered, the and the strength behind the hit from the drumstick. lathing and hammering effects the way in which waves travel through the cymbal. when these waves are present, they create the vibrations which resonate through the air, causing sound waves, which we pick up via our ears.

[hey]

well i found a little bit more stuff


http://www.acoustics.salford.ac.uk/feschools/waves/cymbalvideo.htm

really awesome...beautiful, if i may say so myself. i wonder if higher-quality cymbals would exhibit a different vibrational patterns, possibly more uniform?

id like to see a vid like this of a drumhead, that'd be cool. but that vid was very cool as well.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

I'm assuming the 'Modes' picture is in reference to stationary waves and/or superposition in the cymbal itself?

[some jive turkey]

I think this was written about in "the cymbal book"
It's a nice reference book to have around.
Here's a pretty good online preview of the book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=AaSH0JLRct8C&dq=the+cymbal+book&pg=PP1&ots=eDcA1bGrEn&sig=joE6ZqNonMcY-pzijj7GO2miui8&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fclient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%253Aen-US%253Aofficial%26channel%3Ds%26hl%3Den%26q%3Dthe% 2Bcymbal%2Bbook%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP1,M1

[ringworm]

i'll have to read some more on this, that slow mo vid was super cool though

[GooseFilms.net]

Hey GooseFilms where have you been?

Random people keep showing up or leaving on here lately...

I've been around. There are just less worthwhile threads these days, so I've mostly been lurking and not posting.