Future Police

[Volumnius Flush]

In the spirit of traditionalism, an idea that suggests that capitalist private enterprise is an inherent step-up over a government which directs the nature of production, or socialism, I am about to introduce an idea that when implemented, I'm sure will solve all of our problems.

The contemporary debates over education, and health care, for example, provide us with an insight into the controversy surrounding the surprising success of private initiative, most evident in the public/private school contest, over the boorish manner of a one-size-fits-all attitude that public education and public health have taken towards the people. It sort of reminds us of the "inherent vice and virtue" Churchill spoke of.

I suggest, that we as a people, speak up. We need to let our government know that we are tired of being pulled over by racist cops, beaten by cops who have patience deficiency and problems in understanding, and finally, we need to get rid of the old guard. In the days of the Old West, everyone carried a gun. If someone were to walk into the saloon and talk smack, they'd be met with a pistol to the head. Instead of this old-vigilantism, I suggest we let security companies, for one, take over the security of our nation. We should have a private police force.

Some benefits of this are that tickets won't be as high, and are they ever. If we cut out the administrative costs that riddles the government from effectively utilizing revenue, then tickets will be at an all-time historic low.

Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks, which means less tickets, less angry cops we hear about on the Today Show, and perhaps even less criminals.

A private force will be able to more efficiently monitor the population, provide quicker response times, and maybe even deter crime. They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law. They will be given all things necessary to perform their job and perform it well.

Finally, the benefit most likely to effect average day citizens, they will be average day citizens! They will not be a special group that if one were to assault there would be immediate charges of 'assault on a peace officer' or 'capital murder'. There will be more incentive to apply. There will be no more stagnancy over being an officer. As it were, police are virtually hated the world over, especially by minorities and white criminals. In this future world, our captors will be loved, respected, and a bit more humane.

[Eliminator]

Robocop.

[Danger Bird]

Worst idea ever tbh.

[Volumnius Flush]

I thought it was a good idea. At least I tried.

[Der Übermensch]

Instead of this old-vigilantism, I suggest we let security companies, for one, take over the security of our nation. We should have a private police force.
Somones been reading to much Ayn Rand...

Some benefits of this are that tickets won't be as high, and are they ever. If we cut out the administrative costs that riddles the government from effectively utilizing revenue, then tickets will be at an all-time historic low.
Actually, they will be as high as the company feels like making them...

Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks, which means less tickets, less angry cops we hear about on the Today Show, and perhaps even less criminals.
I don't see how hiring pivate contractors and paying them MORE will save money...

A private force will be able to more efficiently monitor the population,
Because they aren't bound by the Constitution as much as government agencies are I assume?
They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law.
Sounds like the SS... They weren't bound by German law, and had their own courts to try their own men...

They will be given all things necessary to perform their job and perform it well.
Because when THEY beat Rodney King, they can laugh about it in public, and no one can touch them...

Finally, the benefit most likely to effect average day citizens, they will be average day citizens!
A few houses down from me lives a cop. His son rode the bus with me when I was in school. He was an average citizen. A private contractor with no fear of having to face consequences for his actions is NOT my idea of average citzenry...

They will not be a special group that if one were to assault there would be immediate charges of 'assault on a peace officer' or 'capital murder'.
Assaulting or killing a police officer is acrime for a reason you idiot...

There will be more incentive to apply.
Being above th law is a damn big incentive... I'd join up!!!!


As it were, police are virtually hated the world over, especially by minorities and white criminals.
At least they are legally accountable for when they pull bad **** right now. You are proposing to make it so they aren't...

In this future world, our captors will be loved, respected, and a bit more humane.
Honestly, this is the stupidest thing I have read in awhile...

[EinzingerIsGod]

Yeah this is really bad.

[BigBadBooDooDady]

You are probably the same person that bitches when you see a cop speeding without lights and sirens, yet when we do get to your call about your neighbor's cat in your yard, the first thing out of your mouth is, "What took you so long?"

[lunchforthesky]

Yep this is without doubt the worst idea ever.

[uhhyeah]

where does funding for such a police force come from?

[The_Passenger]

where does funding for such a police force come from?

I guess you'd have to pay for it through an insurance policy or something similar.

Anyway I don't think it's a particularly great idea, the police force is one of those things that should be left to the government. The idea of several competing police companies doesn't sound particularly appealing to me.

[GreyHam]

privatisation = less for poorer people

more pay = everyone earns more = higher cost of living for all

what is the purpose of a private company? to make profit

public services motivated by profit = BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD (said like a sheep)

[Smokey D]

That's not always true but it's probably reasonably fair to say about a privatised police force.

[deadinholywood]

You are probably the same person that bitches when you see a cop speeding without lights and sirens, yet when we do get to your call about your neighbor's cat in your yard, the first thing out of your mouth is, "What took you so long?"

Haha I love when people tell me they saw a cop car going 40kms over the speed limit and breaking the road rules without having the lights and bells on. If you're going to a hold up alarm or a burglary do you really want the crook to be able to hear you from miles away?

[lunchforthesky]

Seriously i already said it but this idea is just so bad.

[Dr Hooch]

a) private police force => muchas briberias except institutionalised

b) Business => wants to make money => set tickets as high as they damn well want (you have to pay it after all)

c) tickets are primarily a deterrent not a source of income

[Der Übermensch]

Haha I love when people tell me they saw a cop car going 40kms over the speed limit and breaking the road rules without having the lights and bells on. If you're going to a hold up alarm or a burglary do you really want the crook to be able to hear you from miles away?

Yeah... Usually, when they have their siren on, its not that important. Lights only usually means it is...

[Iskandar]

Wow, what a terrible idea.

[deadinholywood]

Yeah... Usually, when they have their siren on, its not that important. Lights only usually means it is...

For us we usually have the lights on when going to urgent jobs ie. brawls, violent domestics, car crashes etc. The siren is more or less only ever used while going through intersections to get to urgent jobs so that cars know we are coming.

[griftadan]

good god what woudl happen when competitors entered the market?

[Africa]

In the spirit of traditionalism, an idea that suggests that capitalist private enterprise is an inherent step-up over a government which directs the nature of production, or socialism, I am about to introduce an idea that when implemented, I'm sure will solve all of our problems.


About this... if by spirit of private enterprise you mean the exhilaration felt by those who own anything, a minority, then what good is that in regards to cops? Isn't it better they work for ideals

[Miek]

at first i was like :-\

then I lol'd

[HazMatBlue]

capitalism has done some nice work in other fields and I could see how creating competition with the police force could potentially work, but i would be worried about the potential for corruption as well I don't think government regulations could quite do the job.

[Der Übermensch]

good god what woudl happen when competitors entered the market?

It'd be a showdown!!



Funny how VF hasn't even tried to defend himself here...

[Monticello]

Because he knows deep in his heart that it's a very bad idea, and it was probably a vain idea to look intelligent.

Abandon this idea, now.

[griftadan]

nah i changed my mind i think it'll be fun

[Monticello]

Who knows.....

[Volumnius Flush]

Somones been reading to much Ayn Rand...

I never read Rand.


Actually, they will be as high as the company feels like making them...

That is the catch. It will be a sort of direct deposit. Tickets will be no more than they typically are but they will go straight to the source instead of being passed between governmental agency and governmental agency. A good example of this system gone wrong is the welfare state where only 20% of the appropriated expenses reach the intended benefactor.


I don't see how hiring pivate contractors and paying them MORE will save money...

They will be paid from the same pool as local police departments are, but any remaining revenue can be distributed as additional income.


Because when THEY beat Rodney King, they can laugh about it in public, and no one can touch them...

This is precisely what my plan will be used to defeat. If we can get a professional, armed force in our towns and cities, there is no incentive to brutalize citizens, except those breaking the law. As it is, we see on the Today Show, Good Morning America, and our nightly news scenes of police brutality. At the least, it can only be as bad as it is now.


Being above th law is a damn big incentive... I'd join up!!!!

It's not being above the law. It's being protected by the law. And I glad you see my point.


Honestly, this is the stupidest thing I have read in awhile...

Because you can't see the genius in it.

You are probably the same person that bitches when you see a cop speeding without lights and sirens, yet when we do get to your call about your neighbor's cat in your yard, the first thing out of your mouth is, "What took you so long?"

I have had to call the police twice in the past month. Once for theft, and another for what I interpreted as potential rape. You are a dutz.

Yep this is without doubt the worst idea ever.

You are without a doubt the worst poster ever.

where does funding for such a police force come from?

The same as our current force.

b) Business => wants to make money => set tickets as high as they damn well want (you have to pay it after all)

c) tickets are primarily a deterrent not a source of income

B) The courts will still enforce citations but because the revenue will be in the form of direct deposit, administrative costs will be cut out of the fine making them cheaper.

C) Tickets are an exceptional source of revenue.

Because he knows deep in his heart that it's a very bad idea, and it was probably a vain idea to look intelligent.

Abandon this idea, now.

I have been to Monticello, sucka.

[Der Übermensch]

I never read Rand.
Well this is pretty much what she argues for. You'd like her... shes a psycho bitch...



That is the catch. It will be a sort of direct deposit. Tickets will be no more than they typically are but they will go straight to the source instead of being passed between governmental agency and governmental agency. A good example of this system gone wrong is the welfare state where only 20% of the appropriated expenses reach the intended benefactor.
For the last time, stop critizising the welfare state! You are using it right now!

They will be paid from the same pool as local police departments are, but any remaining revenue can be distributed as additional income.
At the expense of new equipment?



This is precisely what my plan will be used to defeat. If we can get a professional, armed force in our towns and cities, there is no incentive to brutalize citizens, except those breaking the law. As it is, we see on the Today Show, Good Morning America, and our nightly news scenes of police brutality. At the least, it can only be as bad as it is now.
Cops are professionals, and they have incentive NOT to brutalize citizens, because they are legally accountable. You yourself stated that your private force would NOT be legally accountable ( I notice you skipped my SS jibe), so would have NO incentive not to brutalize citizens, because nothing would come of it for them.

It's not being above the law. It's being protected by the law.

I quote what you said "They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law." That means they are ABOVE THE LAW!!!!
You explicitly state that there are no laws they need to obey.

And I glad you see my point.
So you're point then is that it's fun to have no laws holding you back, and I can go **** up anybody who looks at me funny?

I have had to call the police twice in the past month. Once for theft, and another for what I interpreted as potential rape. You are a dutz.
Considering you are living in your car, what do you own that can be stolen?

The same as our current force.
Which means "Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks" this, makes absolutly no sense.

[Swill_Merchant]

In the spirit of traditionalism, an idea that suggests that capitalist private enterprise is an inherent step-up over a government which directs the nature of production, or socialism, I am about to introduce an idea that when implemented, I'm sure will solve all of our problems.

The contemporary debates over education, and health care, for example, provide us with an insight into the controversy surrounding the surprising success of private initiative, most evident in the public/private school contest, over the boorish manner of a one-size-fits-all attitude that public education and public health have taken towards the people. It sort of reminds us of the "inherent vice and virtue" Churchill spoke of.

I suggest, that we as a people, speak up. We need to let our government know that we are tired of being pulled over by racist cops, beaten by cops who have patience deficiency and problems in understanding, and finally, we need to get rid of the old guard. In the days of the Old West, everyone carried a gun. If someone were to walk into the saloon and talk smack, they'd be met with a pistol to the head. Instead of this old-vigilantism, I suggest we let security companies, for one, take over the security of our nation. We should have a private police force.

Some benefits of this are that tickets won't be as high, and are they ever. If we cut out the administrative costs that riddles the government from effectively utilizing revenue, then tickets will be at an all-time historic low.

Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks, which means less tickets, less angry cops we hear about on the Today Show, and perhaps even less criminals.

A private force will be able to more efficiently monitor the population, provide quicker response times, and maybe even deter crime. They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law. They will be given all things necessary to perform their job and perform it well.

Finally, the benefit most likely to effect average day citizens, they will be average day citizens! They will not be a special group that if one were to assault there would be immediate charges of 'assault on a peace officer' or 'capital murder'. There will be more incentive to apply. There will be no more stagnancy over being an officer. As it were, police are virtually hated the world over, especially by minorities and white criminals. In this future world, our captors will be loved, respected, and a bit more humane.

This is dumb. Have you ever been arrested? Have your ever been brutaly beaten by a police offer?
It seems like you're talking out of your ***.

[Volumnius Flush]

Considering you are living in your car, what do you own that can be stolen?


Which means "Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks" this, makes absolutly no sense.

My cell phone my dad paid for was stolen. I have been back home for 9 days now.

And finally, the force will be paid from the same pool as the police are currently. Remaining revenue, after expenses, will be used as additional pay.

[Der Übermensch]

That makes no sense. If they have the same budget, they will have about the same pay... Unless you propose to never buy them new equipment, or fund training, or all that other stuff the budget pays for.

But thats a minor point... respond to the main argument I made... (sec. 4,5,6)

[Monticello]

I have been to Monticello, sucka.
How does that make me a sucka.....?

Volumnius, your idea is full of holes, Ubersmensch just outlined all of them rather eloquently.

And I think the point about the SS needs addressing.

[Volumnius Flush]

This is dumb. Have you ever been arrested? Have your ever been brutaly beaten by a police offer?
It seems like you're talking out of your ***.

I have been arrested before, fyi. I was surprised at how unprofessional our police force truly is.

[Der Übermensch]

What was it for?
And no matter how unprofessional they were, just remember, they weren't allowed to beat you up for fun...

And also, are you ever going to respond to what I asked you to?

[Volumnius Flush]

I was arrested for not paying a fine for smoking on campus, though I was 18 at the time.

Your question, that about the SS... I didn't quite understand it. I don't see how you equate my future police with the German SS.

[Iskandar]

I was arrested for not paying a fine for smoking on campus, though I was 18 at the time.

Your question, that about the SS... I didn't quite understand it. I don't see how you equate my future police with the German SS.
You stated literally that they were above the law.

[Volumnius Flush]

You stated literally that they were above the law.

I think it was bad language. I meant that they would be more like bounty hunters rather than policemen who have many more regulations.

[EinzingerIsGod]

I can't see how that is good for society whatsoever.

[Volumnius Flush]

It would actually give people like us more freedom. A force ran by ordinary, middle-age men. It will be like neighborhood crime watch and no dad wants to admit his kids are up to no good. But we will be getting the real criminals, the true bad guys, while overlooking your average pot-smoking teenager.

[Dr Hooch]

It would actually give people like us more freedom. A force ran by ordinary, middle-age men. It will be like neighborhood crime watch and no dad wants to admit his kids are up to no good. But we will be getting the real criminals, the true bad guys, while overlooking your average pot-smoking teenager.

And other minor offences like age of consent, right? ;)

Anyway, you're headed vigelante territory there.

[Der Übermensch]

Your question, that about the SS... I didn't quite understand it. I don't see how you equate my future police with the German SS.

Well, you must be illiterate because I quoted the passage multiple times. Here it is again "They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law.""

A force ran by ordinary, middle-age men.
Wouldn't make me feel very safe...

[Volumnius Flush]

And other minor offences like age of consent, right? ;)

Anyway, you're headed vigelante territory there.

That's the point. You will be flooded with liberty and freedom. What you always wanted.

[Der Übermensch]

Ok, now I get it... you can finally screw Dakota Fanning if this goes through!!!

[Miek]

i can't tell if the ts is a troll or really really really really really really dumbb

[Volumnius Flush]

i can't tell if the ts is a troll or really really really really really really dumbb

It's neither. But many people through the years have struggled with this question. You aren't the first and only very few have found the answer. I find it funny one-third of your words in this post start with 'r' and end with 'eally'.

[Miek]

Uh well if you're not a troll, then you're just dumb as hell.

[Volumnius Flush]

That's mature and evolved of you to attack someone for their political beliefs. Especially by call them dumb when they have no trouble forming complete sentences and expressing their ideals effectively. It makes so much sense, with you being in the secular-progressive MX majority and all.

And yes, I just gave you rep.

[Der Übermensch]

Man... why didn't you take my pedophile bait? your no fun... :(

[Miek]

Oh no, rep.

You're right, my maturity can be figured out from how I post.
I'm not attaking you for your political beliefs.
I trouble no complete make.

[Dr Hooch]

Man... why didn't you take my pedophile bait? your no fun... :(

Because he does genuinely have a think for slightly younger girls, probably.

half x plus seven, VF! you know the rules!



Anyway you're saying we'd be flooded with freedom

I'm thinking

what about offenses like

criticising the police

that's the kind of freedom i'm concerned about

[deadinholywood]

It would actually give people like us more freedom. A force ran by ordinary, middle-age men. It will be like neighborhood crime watch and no dad wants to admit his kids are up to no good. But we will be getting the real criminals, the true bad guys, while overlooking your average pot-smoking teenager.

I have enough time to get both real criminals and pot smoking teenagers. What would make your 'Future Police' better at catching criminals anyway?
Big time crime does not occur frequently, most crime listed in courts consists of traffic offence's, small time thefts, assaults and DOD possession.
If someone is smart commits a crime it will not matter who is after them they will not be caught if they don't want to be.

[Der Übermensch]

Because he does genuinely have a think for slightly younger girls, probably.
Well, yeah... I was hoping he would try to defend it again...

[Swill_Merchant]

It would actually give people like us more freedom. A force ran by ordinary, middle-age men. It will be like neighborhood crime watch and no dad wants to admit his kids are up to no good. But we will be getting the real criminals, the true bad guys, while overlooking your average pot-smoking teenager.

Most police don't give a rats *** about pot smoking teens, unless you are in a suburb. What are "real" criminals exactly? Why would it help if people running the police force won't turn in criminals? How would it give "us" more freedom? Police are people, they aren't perfect, so what would it change to put more there?

YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID THE FINE, OR GONE TO COURT AND STOP BITCHING THAT THE POLICE WERE JUST DOING THEIR JOB. IN ORDER FOR THINGS TO RUN SMOOTHLY WE NEED TO SET GROUND RULES THAT CAN'T BE INTIALLY BENT.

[Dr Hooch]

we overheard you before talking about...you went to court today for a speeding ticket...?

that's accurate.

right. d'you wanna tell us that story?

yes, absolutely, i wouldn't mind telling you the story. erm...i went to court today for a speeding ticket, and i told the judge, erm..."let me tell you something, and you listen and you listen good, i'm only gonna say this one time and one time only, i don't repeat myself for nobody," i said. i says..."i'm here to pay a speeding ticket, not to listen to your lectures and hear you run your mouth for an hour." i says "i'm here to pay off my speeding ticket...and i'm here to get my fines out of the way and get the **** to work." the judge says "you can't talk like that in my courtroom, you're in contempt of court." then i said...i told the judge, "if that's the best you can do, i feel sorry for you." i said "why don't you just shut your ****ing mouth for once and listen." i said "i'm not gonna take any ****." i said "i'm gonna pay my speeding ticket like i said." i walked up to the god damn judge and i hand him my 25 dollars and i says "here's my money, now i am leaving."
and i left it at that...
...then, before i left, i turned around and told the judge "i'm here to state who i am and be honest with you." i said "if they thought i was dangerous on the road like you're trying to accuse me of, wouldn't they have taken my license when i first got it? yes they would. and the judge says "yeah, you have a point," he goes "you don't need to get loud," i said "don't get loud?" i says "i've got every right to get loud." i says "you can't do a god damn thing about it, because i'm expressing myself in your court, and there is nothing you can do about it. you think you're god because you have a robe and you can put people up the god damn river for 20 years? well you're not."
and i left it at that...

did you walk away?

yes i did...i don't like the judicial system, i don't like the government system, i don't like the police, i don't like anything to do with this country's government. i just don't like it, because...they're sneaky, like i said - they're deceitful, they're lying, they're cheats, the rip people off. that's the american government for you. america is a third world country, and people don't recognise it...and i think that that's pretty god damn sad, that they don't recognise their own country as a third world, third rate, third class slum.

[lunchforthesky]

we overheard you before talking about...you went to court today for a speeding ticket...?

that's accurate.

right. d'you wanna tell us that story?

yes, absolutely, i wouldn't mind telling you the story. erm...i went to court today for a speeding ticket, and i told the judge, erm..."let me tell you something, and you listen and you listen good, i'm only gonna say this one time and one time only, i don't repeat myself for nobody," i said. i says..."i'm here to pay a speeding ticket, not to listen to your lectures and hear you run your mouth for an hour." i says "i'm here to pay off my speeding ticket...and i'm here to get my fines out of the way and get the **** to work." the judge says "you can't talk like that in my courtroom, you're in contempt of court." then i said...i told the judge, "if that's the best you can do, i feel sorry for you." i said "why don't you just shut your ****ing mouth for once and listen." i said "i'm not gonna take any ****." i said "i'm gonna pay my speeding ticket like i said." i walked up to the god damn judge and i hand him my 25 dollars and i says "here's my money, now i am leaving."
and i left it at that...
...then, before i left, i turned around and told the judge "i'm here to state who i am and be honest with you." i said "if they thought i was dangerous on the road like you're trying to accuse me of, wouldn't they have taken my license when i first got it? yes they would. and the judge says "yeah, you have a point," he goes "you don't need to get loud," i said "don't get loud?" i says "i've got every right to get loud." i says "you can't do a god damn thing about it, because i'm expressing myself in your court, and there is nothing you can do about it. you think you're god because you have a robe and you can put people up the god damn river for 20 years? well you're not."
and i left it at that...

did you walk away?

yes i did...i don't like the judicial system, i don't like the government system, i don't like the police, i don't like anything to do with this country's government. i just don't like it, because...they're sneaky, like i said - they're deceitful, they're lying, they're cheats, the rip people off. that's the american government for you. america is a third world country, and people don't recognise it...and i think that that's pretty god damn sad, that they don't recognise their own country as a third world, third rate, third class slum.

What a song :p

[Volumnius Flush]

I have enough time to get both real criminals and pot smoking teenagers. What would make your 'Future Police' better at catching criminals anyway?
Big time crime does not occur frequently, most crime listed in courts consists of traffic offence's, small time thefts, assaults and DOD possession.
If someone is smart commits a crime it will not matter who is after them they will not be caught if they don't want to be.

I don't pay attention to Haddaway gimmicks.

half x plus seven, VF! you know the rules!

So that means the youngest girls I can go after should be 16?

[Der Übermensch]

Yeah... pretty much...

Have you just given up on defending your argument here? or are you merely ignoring our counterpoints?

[Volumnius Flush]

Yeah... pretty much...

Have you just given up on defending your argument here? or are you merely ignoring our counterpoints?

The only counterpart you've offered is that "because VF is a pedophile, future police is inherently a bad idea". Some logic there.

[Der Übermensch]

Way to take it out of context. I was commenting on the fact you implicitly said that there would be no age of consent laws under the new system.

What I want is a response to the main body of this post, http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14661114&postcount=28

Because you ignored the major points.

[Volumnius Flush]

Because you ignored the major points.

Because you can't form a sentence.

NOFX:
Well this is pretty much what she argues for. You'd like her... shes a psycho bitch...

Oh great point. How rude might I add. You seem to insinuate I would like psycho bitches because I'm a psycho myself? Hmm?


NOFX:
For the last time, stop critizising the welfare state! You are using it right now!

My first SSI check hasn't even come in yet.

NOFX:
At the expense of new equipment?

There will be as much revenue as before, but remaining revenue is distributed as additional pay. If you can't understand this, I can't make it any plainer for you.

NOFX:
You explicitly state that there are no laws they need to obey.

They will be akin to bounty hunters, not policemen. Even bounty hunters have rules to follow.

NOFX:
Considering you are living in your car, what do you own that can be stolen?

My cell phone.

NOFX:
Which means "Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks" this, makes absolutly no sense.

Same point as above. With private competition, forces will learn to more efficiently manage their revenue, leaving more money for salaries...

Now you can't say I didn't try. I really think you are just to dense.

[Der Übermensch]

Because you can't form a sentence.
This is a complete sentence. I don't have to use them if I don't feel like it though.

NOFX:
Well this is pretty much what she argues for. You'd like her... shes a psycho bitch...

Oh great point. How rude might I add. You seem to insinuate I would like psycho bitches because I'm a psycho myself? Hmm?
She's a psycho bitch, but that's not why you'd like her. She argues for complete privitization of the police forces.


NOFX:
For the last time, stop critizising the welfare state! You are using it right now!

My first SSI check hasn't even come in yet.
Point? You are still using it. If you rip that check up when it arrives, then you can make an argument...

NOFX:
At the expense of new equipment?

There will be as much revenue as before, but remaining revenue is distributed as additional pay. If you can't understand this, I can't make it any plainer for you.
If there is just as much revenue as before, then logic dictates pay will be the same UNLESS you take money from other areas, such as what pays for new equipment or training. So I'm assuming you are planning on dropping those... If you can't understand this, I can't make it any plainer for you.

NOFX:
You explicitly state that there are no laws they need to obey.

They will be akin to bounty hunters, not policemen. Even bounty hunters have rules to follow.
I quote what you said, "They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."

NOFX:
Which means "Another benefit of a private police force is that the force will receive a more reasonable compensation. No more $30,000 a year. Now they will make the big bucks" this, makes absolutly no sense.

Same point as above. With private competition, forces will learn to more efficiently manage their revenue, leaving more money for salaries...


And as I said above, by efficient, I assume you mean at the lack of essential services? You need to be explicit about just what you mean.


And seriously, I havn't used that ****ing name for ages. I don't call you "Pedo" all the time (only occasionally when you open me up for it).

[Volumnius Flush]

If you can't understand this, I can't make it any plainer for you.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH.... You really got me that time Das!

[Der Übermensch]

Is that your only response? Because this is exactly what I makes you such an idiot... You completly ignore what I say, and concentrate in what I throw in for laughs, and is meant to be relatively ignored...
How you expect to cut costs enough to not reduce quality, yet still increase pay needs to be explained, as well as clarification for the passage I have quoted multiple times, but you have never explained, in which you say no laws apply to them.

[Volumnius Flush]

I told you already. Private enterprise inherently uses revenue more efficiently. Bureaucracies tend to phase most revenue out through administrative costs. If we cut out these administrative differences, then there will be more money. Since supplies/equipment typically are fixed costs, there will be more money for salaries and pay.

[Dr Hooch]

So that means the youngest girls I can go after should be 16?

Older side of 16, yes.

That's the age of consent over here dude, 16 is fairgame...

Der Ubermensch:

http://www.lerepairedesmotards.com/img/forum/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

[Der Übermensch]

They are hardly fixed costs. But anyways, I refuse to continue this unless you respond to my damn point that I have had to make faaar to many times, even though you ignore it.
"They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."
"They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."
"They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."
"They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."
"They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."
"They will not be bound by the local ordinances, statutes, state, or federal law."

[Der Übermensch]

Older side of 16, yes.

That's the age of consent over here dude, 16 is fairgame...

Der Ubermensch:

http://www.lerepairedesmotards.com/img/forum/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

I'm bored, so it's either argue with this dumbass, or look at porn. This is quite enjoyable for the time being...

[lfantwister]

Older side of 16, yes.

That's the age of consent over here dude, 16 is fairgame...
age of consent really should be lowered over here

[Der Übermensch]

It's 18 in Cali, right?

[lfantwister]

yep

[Der Übermensch]

Heh... I hooked up with a girl from Cali on her 18th b-day... That was close :p

[lfantwister]

what a lovely coming-of-age surprise
yes that's a pun

[Der Übermensch]

Hehe, I did kind of like to think of myself as her birthday present :chug:

[-1up!-]

How exactly do we refrain that private police force to do as it wishes, ignoring the law, and only listening to the interests of a private enterprise?

What keeps larger, non-police organizations from bribing a private police force and using their dissuasive or military power to do whatever they wish?

What keeps a private police force from overthrowing the state?

What keeps a private police officer from barging into your house and stealing a box of donuts and a beer, just for the heck of it?

If you make a security/military organization completely non-accountable, how can the people, through democratic means, ever affect it?

[deadinholywood]

I don't pay attention to Haddaway gimmicks.

Well that is your choice but at least the 'Haddaway gimmick' has some sort of really life experience with policing issues, rather than your bs ranting about nothing. :D