UK Council Elections

[GreyHam]

sorry to the americans, to whom this will be boring and dull lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/vote2007/maps/eng_councils/html/eng_councils_map.stm

council election results in - personally im not happy at all with the overwhelming sea of blue that i see before me... its looking like the futures blue for the generels...

[Dr Hooch]

It's a healthy oscillation between red and blue. labour have screwed enough **** up that it's time for the conservatives to fix it and start to make it all more efficient and start underfunding things at which point labour will be popular again

conservatives won our seat

I don't like the conservative party but i don't mind dave cameron who visited our consitituency today

i didn't meet him :(

damn school

[PerpetualBurn]

Cameron's an absolute tosser. The guy insists that we can all live green by riding his bike to work, and then has a private hire car follow him with his suit and briefcase.

I didn't vote in the council elections because I was hungover.

[Kaleid]

I didn't vote in the council elections because I was hungover

Snap

Also, I reckon Cameron's incredibly superficial, even by the usual politician standard.
It's significant that the Tories still couldn't get a foothold in some big northern cities (Lib Dems have almost always held precedence, especially here in Liverpool) but the growing Conservative control is going to shake Brown's confidence when he takes over next week

[GreyHam]

well this was the thing that concerned me... its a sad state of affairs at the moment. im a lib dem supporter but i accept that the party just doesnt have any kind of leadership personality - certainly not in comparison to cameron

[VomitStainedCretin]

Anyone else happy to accept Scottish independence on the basis that their country's a burden on English tax payers?

[Dr Hooch]

Hey, if they take a vote on independance and it comes up a decent yes, then I'm happy for them to see how they get on without us.

Something has to be done about the parliament system though; their MPs get to vote on our laws, don't they? But not vice versa?

[peeted]

The fact that Cameron is so popular yet doesn't have any real policies except for cheep pseudo green tactics pretty much sums up whats wrong with British politics. More about image than actual policies, i feel sorry for Brown because all the time Blair's been in giving the labour party a bad name hes been in the background actually making the country work and he doesn't stand a chance against Cameron.

And the seat in my constituency wasn't up for grabs this time round so i didn't get to vote :/

[GreyHam]

if scotland want independence they can have it

but that means a complete seperation from the british government and, in all honesty, i cant see scotland being better off from economic independence

cameron is, literally the tory version of blair. for some reason many people are saying this like its a good thing

bring back charles kennedy i say

[2muchket!]

I'll consider david cameron when he outlines his stance on the key issues. Until then he's pretty much a joke really. A very unfunny one which may be running our country in 2009.

[Kaleid]

Ha, yeah, even Paddy Gerrem-down would be more competent that Menzies Campbell!
The fact that Cameron is so popular yet doesn't have any real policies except for cheep pseudo green tactics pretty much sums up whats wrong with British politics
Yup. The Lib Dems had a golden opportunity to present a mature image and a focused set of policies to contrast with Conservative shallowness and Labour untrustworthiness, and they blew it by bringing in a leader who was both too mature and, for the most part, anonymous. Whether it's regarding local or general elections, once again the British are forced to choose the best of a bad bunch. Where are the strong leaders?

[lunchforthesky]

I voted Lib Dem twice.

[GreyHam]

i have more respect for charles kennedy than any of the other party leaders

[Jon]

Thing is, we all know Labour are full of ****, Lib Dems are a joke, and Torries are even worse.

Monster Raving Looney Party in the General, anyone?

[lunchforthesky]

It will be hung next time anyway.

Libs/Labour coalition.

Which is cool cause it gets some Lib Dem policies like PR on the agenda.

[Jon]

to be honest I'm [=] far away from voting for a party beginning with B and ending in NP.

thread in a second, just uploading some stuff.

[lunchforthesky]

to be honest I'm [=] far away from voting for a party beginning with B and ending in NP.

thread in a second, just uploading some stuff.

What is really the attraction of them?

Cause economically they are actually much futher left than the Lib Dems and socially well they are just militant holocaust denying racists.

[Jon]

a mix between the fact that every other party is convinced with making Britain an extension of the middle east, and the fact that I don't give a rat's arse how far left or right they are economically.

[team_racket]

haha was the first time i ever voted. everyone around here drives a 4x4, owns farmland, has private healthcare and no doubt voted conservative. labour is full of bulls'hit but i tended to sway labour/lib dem.
so many people i know didnt vote at all. im not an intelectual on politics, but so many people throw their right to vote to waste through lack of interest. people have a right not to vote of course, but through lack of interest, thats sad. youth of today im guessing haha.

[GreyHam]

a mix between the fact that every other party is convinced with making Britain an extension of the middle east, and the fact that I don't give a rat's arse how far left or right they are economically.

and the militant holocaust denying racist part?

[Jon]

my aunt is the executive director of the Anne Frank Trust, you don't think I know about the holocaust =/

I'm not denying that voting BNP would be a bad thing, but its increasingly looking that any alternative is worse. I dunno, I'd probably be on the first boat back to Russia or Poland or wherever my great-great-great-great-great-grandparents came from, but it may benefit Britain, which is where my heart is.

I don't know.

I'm not saying I'm going to vote BNP, and probably won't.

Its just tbh who do you vote for? You can't vote for Labour because of the past 10 years, Lib Dems are pussies, as are Green, and Torries are essentially the scum of the earth.

[GreyHam]

meh, lib dems get far more stick than they deserve...lots of people seem to have the same mindset as you do (so please dont feel like im dissrespecting you holmes...) but GENERALLY thats all people offer.

theyre a weak party at the moment but their policies are largely spot on imo...need a leader with charisma rather than a non entity

[lunchforthesky]

Agreed, lib dems have good policies, that is reason enough to vote for them.

[Jon]

tbh i haven't looked into their policies for quite a while, ese, but last time I did it just seemed like they were being a little too apathetic for their own good (apathy is MY game - can't they choose between left & right or something?)

[Dr Hooch]

meh, lib dems get far more stick than they deserve...lots of people seem to have the same mindset as you do (so please dont feel like im dissrespecting you holmes...) but GENERALLY thats all people offer.

theyre a weak party at the moment but their policies are largely spot on imo...need a leader with charisma rather than a non entity

The lib dems have awful policies. As a scientist, their stances on climate change put me somewhere between laughing and vomiting, where the two cancel out into a face of dread as i realise they're serious.

Green tax? So, if the tax actually works and the country becomes greener, the country goes bust?

Seriously, if you all /(britain) stopped using your cars for a year, you'd slow global warming by about 2 seconds. The little things really don't help.

[lunchforthesky]

The lib dems have awful policies. As a scientist, their stances on climate change put me somewhere between laughing and vomiting, where the two cancel out into a face of dread as i realise they're serious.

Green tax? So, if the tax actually works and the country becomes greener, the country goes bust?

Seriously, if you all /(britain) stopped using your cars for a year, you'd slow global warming by about 2 seconds. The little things really don't help.

So who do you propose we vote for and how do you propose we slow down global warming?

[VomitStainedCretin]

So who do you propose we vote for and how do you propose we slow down global warming?The obvious answer: Mine ice from Halley's comet and drop it in the ocean - a permanent solution. :lol:

[Dr Hooch]

So who do you propose we vote for and how do you propose we slow down global warming?

I propose we go to the park every election day and sulk until someone makes a party that isn't full of politicians.

Seriously this is how it went in my house

"Dad are you gonna use your vote"

"Nah, don't think so. why?"

"Can I have it?"

"If you want. Who do you want me to vote for?"

"No, i want to abstain with it"

[PerpetualBurn]

Abstaining is a legitimate choice.

[Dr Hooch]

I know, and it's my stance on British politics.

I'd just like to be able to abstain properly wihtout the man assuming i dind't vote because I don't care, rather than because I hate ALL the options.

[PerpetualBurn]

I definitely agree. I may be wrong on this, but does Australia offer this choice? And does it not fine those who don't turn out to vote?

[lunchforthesky]

There should definately be an abstaining option on the ballot paper although i am undecided whether voting should mandatory. But i guess if jury duty is then why not voting.

[PerpetualBurn]

Voting should not be mandatory. If someone wants to be disclude themself from the voting system, there's no good reason to deny that form of political freedom.

[Dr Hooch]

I definitely agree. I may be wrong on this, but does Australia offer this choice? And does it not fine those who don't turn out to vote?

Yeah, Aus does that. Seems like a better system to me, frankly.

[Jon]

my question is what kind of IDIOT doesn't appreciate global warming?

probably the kind that was stuck behind a desk 9-5 last week and didn't enjoy the weather.

god bless global warming, and god bless labour for not screwing it up yet :)

and prince charles as well, he's doing his part in ensuring we have sunnier aprils :).

Doesn't it get recorded as *something* if you invalidate your ballot paper? like if you mark two candidates or something, doesn't that get recorded as something vs. not voting at all?

[PerpetualBurn]

probably the kind that was stuck behind a desk 9-5 last week and didn't enjoy the weather.

Global Warming whilst raising the global temperature, would alter the Gulf stream and make Britain much colder, you dolt.

[Dr Hooch]

"spoiled", but again, which are deiberate and which aren't?

Global warming is bad but inevitable, unless we kill billions of people so that we can support ourselves with a more primitive society. Doesn't seem worth it to me, though.

[2muchket!]

I know, and it's my stance on British politics.

I'd just like to be able to abstain properly wihtout the man assuming i dind't vote because I don't care, rather than because I hate ALL the options.

I was talking about this to my dad the other day. Rather than abstaining and having people believe wrongly that you don't care, on all ballot slips there should be an option of showing your disapproval like a box with "none of the above".

[Jon]

Global Warming whilst raising the global temperature, would alter the Gulf stream and make Britain much colder, you dolt.
I know.

But at the end of the day, do I care?

The globe (localised maybe) was warmer last week so I am in full support of localised global warming.

I probably won't have kids because the future is going to be so crappy for them anyway (and I'm jealous that I won't get to live it), so why protect the planet?

[PerpetualBurn]

my question is what kind of IDIOT doesn't appreciate global warming?But at the end of the day, do I care?

Basically, I think you're using a strange circular logic to imply that you're an idiot.

[VomitStainedCretin]

I definitely agree. I may be wrong on this, but does Australia offer this choice? And does it not fine those who don't turn out to vote? It's mandatory in Belgium with the threat of a jail sentance. Probably why the Vlaams Block get so many votes. I should really get British citizenship because the Belgian system pisses me off.

[angry armadillo]

jon why do you post in the forum it is meant for informed discussion.




my area is very very labour, so that didnt change, although where i work went from labour to conservative for the first time in many years.

I dont really have an chosen party because im not informed enough and i dont think the effects on my life are large enough for me to care enough to vote

[Jon]

I am informed, I just don't use pretentiously big words :(

[Smokey D]

Actually, you're a complete bigot who likes emo.

That pretty much makes you the most uninformed person ever.