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Danger Bird
05-02-2007, 07:59 PM
L.A. chief: ‘Inappropriate’ police force at rally
'I was disturbed at what I saw,' he says of violence at immigration march

LOS ANGELES - The city's police chief said Wednesday some officers used inappropriate force when they fired rubber bullets into crowds that included children and wielded batons in an incident that marred an otherwise peaceful day of immigration rallies across the United States.

News footage aired Wednesday of the events from the day before showed police beating at least two television camera operators and shoving people who were walking away from officers. They also showed injuries from the rubber bullets, including images of a Hispanic man with a bleeding welt on his stomach.

"Quite frankly, I was disturbed at what I saw," Police Chief William Bratton told KNX-AM on Wednesday. "Some of the officers' action ... were inappropriate in terms of use of batons and possible use of nonlethal rounds fired."

The skirmishes at MacArthur Park, west of downtown Los Angeles, late Tuesday resulted in about 10 people being taken to hospital for treatment of injuries including cuts, authorities said. None of the injuries was believed to be serious.

Turnout numbers
Turnout nationwide for the May Day marches on Tuesday was light compared to a year ago. Los Angeles brought out about 25,000 people, only a fraction of the 650,000 who rallied last year. In Chicago, where more than 400,000 swarmed the streets a year earlier, police officials put initial estimates at about 150,000.

Organizers said fear about raids and frustration that the marches have not pushed Congress to pass reform kept many people at home. They said those who did march felt a sense of urgency to keep immigration reform from being overshadowed by the 2008 presidential elections.

The clash in Los Angeles began Tuesday evening when police tried to disperse demonstrators who had moved off the sidewalk onto the street. Authorities said several people of the few thousand still at the rally threw rocks and bottles at officers, who fired rubber bullets and used batons to push the crowd back onto the sidewalk.

"(Police) started moving in and forcing them out of the park, people with children, strollers," said Angela Sambrano, director of the Central American Resource Center.

Maria Elena Durazo, the executive secretary-treasurer at the Los Angeles County Federation of Labor, said the trouble was instigated by "a group of anarchists, not associated with the rally." She also criticized the police response, saying the rubber bullets were fired on a peaceful crowd with little warning.

'Vast, vast majority' was peaceful
Bratton said "certain elements of the crowd" started the disturbance, but the "vast, vast majority of the people who were here were behaving appropriately."

Late Tuesday, he promised an investigation.

Spanish-language TV station Telemundo said one of its reporters and three camera operators had been injured and taken to the hospital by police. In one incident, television station Fox 11 aired video of a station camerawoman apparently being struck by a baton-wielding police officer in riot gear. Another video showed a cameraman being beaten to the ground by a baton-wielding officer in riot gear.

The Radio and Television News Association of Southern California called for an investigation into "violent treatment of journalists."

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was traveling in El Salvador during a trade mission, said the incident was "a most unfortunate end to a peaceful day."

Though fewer in number, protesters marched in cities from Miami to Detroit to San Antonio. Many of those waving flags, chanting, and carrying hand-painted signs said they were frustrated by what they see as little progress.

After last year's marches, which drew a million-plus protesters, the Senate passed a sweeping bill that would have provided a path to citizenship for many of the nation's 12 million illegal immigrants. But the bill was never reconciled with the then-Republican-controlled House of Representatives, and legislation has languished since last summer. Subsequent bipartisan proposals have gotten more conservative.
Seems like to keep protests peaceful the best policy to keep the police AWAY form it.

White Riot!
05-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Whadda we got for entertainment?
Cops kickin' gypsies on the pavement!

ringworm
05-03-2007, 02:24 PM
Seems like to keep protests peaceful the best policy to keep the police AWAY form it.

or if you're going to protest immigration policies, make sure you entered here legally in the first place :)

Frankie-C!
05-03-2007, 02:31 PM
Police using unecessary force is nothing new. When you consider what motivates a person to become a policeman in the first place it hardly comes as a surprise.

lfantwister
05-03-2007, 02:51 PM
Police using unecessary force is nothing new. When you consider what motivates a person to become a policeman in the first place it hardly comes as a surprise.
Right next to LA, like 3 months ago:
http://www.laist.com/archives/2007/02/10/oc_cop_gets_off_in_court_after_masturbating_on_str ipper_during_questionable_traffic_stop.php
as the defense attorney told the jury, "she got what she wanted, she’s an overtly sexual person."

TJtheguitarist2
05-03-2007, 02:55 PM
I saw video footage of this earlier today. The part where the cameraman was beaten was very clear and blatant! He was just sitting there with his camera and a cop walked right up and smacked him.

I think the police in situations like this just see red, and kinda go crazy.

Frankie-C!
05-03-2007, 03:01 PM
Right next to LA, like 3 months ago:
http://www.laist.com/archives/2007/02/10/oc_cop_gets_off_in_court_after_masturbating_on_str ipper_during_questionable_traffic_stop.php
as the defense attorney told the jury, "she got what she wanted, she’s an overtly sexual person."

All I see in that article is some witch trying to curse some poor microphone.:confused:


I think the police in situations like this just see red, and kinda go crazy.

It's called a Napoleon complex.

lfantwister
05-03-2007, 04:06 PM
Just because I cant stand cops: http://www.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=glKZLeMQIsG&b=1847069&ct=3829713

Frankie-C!
05-03-2007, 04:11 PM
Just because I cant stand cops: http://www.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=glKZLeMQIsG&b=1847069&ct=3829713

Although 39 shots may be excessive, the old lady fired upon them first, did she not? I thought it was standard police procedure to shoot-to-kill once fired upon?

Danger Bird
05-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Although 39 shots may be excessive, the old lady fired upon them first, did she not? I thought it was standard police procedure to shoot-to-kill once fired upon?

Most people's first instinct when strangers burst in unannounced is to start shooting.

Reaganista
05-05-2007, 01:03 AM
It's called a Napoleon complex.
what
a napoleon complex is an inferiority complex that allegedly makes short people overaggressive

everything about it, however, is complete bullshit, but that's a different matter entirely

deadinholywood
05-05-2007, 03:18 AM
Police using unecessary force is nothing new. When you consider what motivates a person to become a policeman in the first place it hardly comes as a surprise.

Im a police officer and violence wasn't the reason i signed up, if myself or anyone else i work with used the level of force displayed by LAPD I would lose my job and more than likely be facing serious criminal charges.
Seriously we had protesters here for the G20 political summit, they smashed up police vehicles, vandalized the streets and threw flares at police.
We were instructed to more or less let them run a muck, (for fear of legal action against police) there is photos floating around my office that shows a protester breaking through police barricades, struggling with a police member before stealing his baton, all other police just stood around and watched it happen.
It was disgraceful. At times like that police need to be able to use force.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200611/s1791848.htm

Roy.
05-05-2007, 04:06 AM
Most people's first instinct when strangers burst in unannounced is to start shooting.

as far as i know that is not what happened. police always annonuce themselves to avoid this. it also saves their *** as well.

we had something like this in jacksonville where during a drug bust an old man told the police to get off his lawn. they announced themselves as police. he either didn't know or believe them because he went back in got a gun and started shooting at them.

turns out they were there because of him. he complained drug dealing was going down on his property and the sting was because of that complaint.

Akira
05-05-2007, 09:17 AM
as far as i know that is not what happened. police always annonuce themselves to avoid this. it also saves their *** as well.

No, this was an unannounced raid. They didn't want anyone having a chance to run. The woman apparently fired a single shot, missing the cops.

WhoDidTheElf
05-05-2007, 10:22 AM
I heard she fired a couple of shots and hit some officers...I'm not 100% on that though.

Akira
05-05-2007, 10:24 AM
I heard she fired a couple of shots and hit some officers...I'm not 100% on that though.

I heard the officers were probably hit by friendly fire.

Either way, it was just a really unfortunate situation.

WhoDidTheElf
05-05-2007, 10:35 AM
Yeah either way, bad situation.

On the main topic...I've heard a lot of conflicting stories, so I'm not quite ready to jump in on this yet.

Yield
05-05-2007, 10:54 AM
Hears the footage that shows the cameraman being beaten, just in case your interested.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/file-302037267.html

EinzingerIsGod
05-05-2007, 02:55 PM
I respect anyone that wants to become a cop because there are things they are asked to do that I could never do myself. That said, I do have a huge problem with cops who use excessive force and abuse their power. For instance (and I know pales in comparison completely to the subject matter at hand here) I live in a small town and the cops here tend to pull people over on next to nothing hoping to catch people doing or having something illegal on them. In the past year I've been pulled over at least half a dozen times here and each time is for "marked lane violations", something that is hard to contest.

Now it would be one thing if this was part of some effort to seriously reduce crime in our area, but this isn't the case. The drug culture here has gotten out of control and everyone knows about it, but the police refuse to do much of anything about it. Instead they rather park their cruisers, pull people over, and write tickets to fill their quota (and they have a quota because pull-overs happen much more often at the end of the month).

Now I know this pales in comparison to people who suffer at the hands of police brutality but I just have a problem with a cop, a citizen on patrol, who abuses his or her power.

Sorry about the rant...

Yield
05-05-2007, 03:00 PM
I feel the same way.

Roy.
05-05-2007, 05:22 PM
No, this was an unannounced raid. They didn't want anyone having a chance to run. The woman apparently fired a single shot, missing the cops.


they have that right though if they believe the suspect is dangerous right?

i mean they didn't know anyone else was there right?

anyway you slice it's really sad.