Less Than Jake

[lunchforthesky]

Now i know they haven't made a good album in five years but seriously you cannot argue with a band that has made Losing Streak, Hello Rockview and Borders and Boundaries.

Such fun albums, i've given them a bit of revival lately cause they are a great summer band.

Favourite Songs.
Al's War
Mr Chevy Celebrity
Johnny Quest
Automatic
9th At Pine
Help Save the Youth of America
and of cause All My Best Friends are Metalheads although i've played it to death.

Discuss.

[Jessizzle]

hi im the mx ska whore, and frankly, i dont like LTJ.

[lunchforthesky]

Maybe cause LTJ arent even close to ska?

[Jessizzle]

yes they are.

im sorry to inform you but the 3rd wave is pop punk with horns...

[lunchforthesky]

Surely to be ska they have to retain elements of the first and second waves.

Bits of Losing Streak do but most of the time they don't even play on the off beats.

[Jessizzle]

LTJ is yer average 3rd wave ska band.

[lunchforthesky]

You didnt answer my point.

[lunchforthesky]

Third wave is Sublime, Slackers maybe RX Bandits who actually suscribe to the ska sound but move it in new directions.

Less Than Jake is just pop punk with horns.

Is Kayo Dot's latest ska cause it has horns?

Or is Happy Hollow by Cursive Ska?

[Jessizzle]

an upbeat pop punk band with horns is ska according to the scene. i dont study up on my music history, im a promoter, i go with what the scene says. and my scene senses are telling me that LTJ is a ska band.

[lunchforthesky]

Do your scene senses tell you Dashboard Confessional are an emo band, cause its basically the same thing.

[B]

ltj isnt ska lol

theyre pop punk with horns so basically pop punk

yellowcard arent classical because they have a violinist

[lunchforthesky]

Correct!

[Ganondorf]

LTJ does hae some Ska influences, but they've decreased over the years.

They're an alright band, some really good songs mixed in with a load of average ones.

[B]

LTJ does hae some Ska influences, but they'vedescreased over the years.
this

and since ska influences =/= ska

yeah

[lunchforthesky]

exactly Thursday were influenced by Saetia and you can hear bits of them on Waiting but it doesnt make them an emo band by any stretch of the imagination.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

I consider LTJ occasional ska. Like I consider my friends occasional drinkers. Just because they have some shots once and a while doesn't make them drunks.

Of course you gice probably consider me a dumbass. :cool:

[B]

those situations really arent comparable tbqh

they arent ocassionally ska, they just have horns.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Some of their songs sound ska to me, some don't. Bleh

Lots of people are so meticulous with the rules of music. If there's some certain beat that is thrown off or a certain instrument inserted, people start arguing over what kind of band they are and that they suck because they are this certain genre or whatever. I think it's stupid to care about. They aren't that great anyway.

[Jessizzle]

ltj are a shitty ska band..

get over it.

[B]

um no, they arent ska

being influenced by ska does not in any way shape or form make them ska

if you want to believe otherwise go ahead, but you'd be wrong.

[Jessizzle]

then why are they on the SUMMER OF SKA TOUR.

[B]

because whoever booked bands is ignorant of music genres

thats like asking why shitty pop punk bands get called emo by the media every day

it doesnt make it true

[nobodyblossomsforever]

They do sound ska tbh. Not as ska as most bands. (i sound retarded ;D)

[B]

thats because they have horns

if you took out the horns they wouldnt sound ska at all

which is why they arent ska

and the new stuff hardly has any horn lines anyways from what ive heard

but i dont know firsthand because i really dont care to listen to it

[Jessizzle]

B shut up k.

I personally dont like LTJ but in todays public they would be conciderd a ska band. I personally think most 3rdwave is average and sounds the same, pop punk with horns, but you know what its allllllll classed under ska.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

They're a band that wants to be ska, and are close, but are missing some key elements. Anyway who gives a damn tbqh. Go argue about what's ska and what's not in the Ska thread in the Punk Forum. >_> It's really not that big of a deal. We are all equally stupid because we post on a interweb forum :p

[B]

BUT ITS NOT 3rd WAVE SKA

like lunch already said third wave ska is stuff like sublime

just because the public believes something doesnt make it true

stop being an ignorant tool

if you werent cute id kill you

[Jessizzle]

sublime is dub/ska.
the slackers is in the 3rdwave era making second wave music.

[B]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska#Third_wave_ska

most notably

During the rise of ska punk, some third wave ska bands continued to play in the 1960s ska style, such as Hepcat, Skavoovie and the Epitones, and The Slackers.

so yeah w/e

doesnt mean ltj is ska though, as i see no mention of them whatsoever in the third wave ska section.

edit:nevermind it does :(

it just says theyre on a third wave ska label, with which i still strongly disagree with

[Geography]

I dont even care about this band anymore, so I cant get hyped.

SSTB was good, and thats that.

[Jessizzle]

1960s syle meaning it was TWO TONE they were playing
a ska band is firstly classed by its time period
we are in the 3rd wave, entering the 4th.
the slackers came out in the 3rd wave time period playing two tone music just like you cited.

[B]

I dont even care about this band anymore, so I cant get hyped.

SSTB was good, and thats that.
rofl
1960s syle meaning it was TWO TONE they were playing
a ska band is firstly classed by its time period
we are in the 3rd wave, entering the 4th.
the slackers came out in the 3rd wave time period playing two tone music just like you cited.

i know i edited my post sry

but ltj are still not ska :)

[Geography]

itt jess gets mad serious about bad music

[Jessizzle]

i dont even like this band! i just have to finish proving my point

godddamit guys yer not gonna win. im not taking this from a personal view, im taking it from the rest of the goddamn world.

[Geography]

im taking it from the rest of the goddamn world.
lol

[B]

im taking this from people who arent dumb as hell and know music

they are pop punk with horns

not third wave

big d are much more ska than them and much better anyways

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Mass media tends to mislabel everything.

& Wikipedia is the most inaccurate place to get information ever, or one of. Not saying the write up on 3rd Wave is inaccurate, but some of the info is unnecessary and you don't really learn anything from it.

[B]

Mass media tends to mislabel everything.

& Wikipedia is the most inaccurate place to get information ever, or one of.

yes

and yeah sometimes because anyone can edit it

occassionally it comes in handy

unlike now

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Exactly, I could edit it right now and say that 3rd Wave Ska is the next cutting-edge breakfast cereal in America.

People would start thinking that Catch 22 is under the genre Fruit Loops.

[B]

i could say that JESUS WAS GAY

id probably get shot by some fanatic though so that may be unsafe

i would watch your back too or jess might shoot you

jess: :-*

[Jessizzle]

lol omg

[nobodyblossomsforever]

You guys do seriously need to stop trying to out prove one another, its stupid that the only time a thread in Pop Punk is answered it's either

A. Mindless spamming
B. Dissing a band/giving a lousy response to a band
C. Arguing over who has more knowledge about music

You all suck at life. :p

[B]

**** it i dont care im sick of trying to inform the uninformed both irl and on the internet

[Geography]

yeah you know except for the moderation and people that fix that stuff

[Jessizzle]

B I KNOW MORE ABOUT SKA THAN YOU.

i am the mother****ing toronto ska scene and a half.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

There's nothing wrong with that, its just gay how it always ends up turning into WWIII.

[B]

B I KNOW MORE ABOUT SKA THAN YOU.

i am the mother****ing toronto ska scene and a half.

meh you know more bands

but i still say less than jake isnt ska

and most people* would agree

*that actually know something about music other than LOL NOISE CATCHY WOO GOOD BAND

[Jessizzle]

its not that i know more bands, i work hard with a group of people to keep the toronto ska scene growing. giving local bands a chance and just having an all round good time.

im so ****ing passinate about my scene, so dont try and tell me i dont know what im talking about.

[Skankin Richard]

Of course Less Than Jake are ska. I skank to them all the time!

[B]

^^ thats nice and i can throwdown to pop punk doesnt mean ****

its not that i know more bands, i work hard with a group of people to keep the toronto ska scene growing. giving local bands a chance and just having an all round good time.

im so ****ing passinate about my scene, so dont try and tell me i dont know what im talking about.

you dont though

ltj arent ska

having horns in small amounts doesnt make you ska

old ltj was pretty damn close i guess you could say it was if you wanted to push it

but recent ltj is not even close

[nobodyblossomsforever]

meh you know more bands

but i still say less than jake isnt ska

and most people* would agree

*that actually know something about music other than LOL NOISE CATCHY WOO GOOD BAND

Heyyyyyyyyy now, I like catchy. :(

[B]

Heyyyyyyyyy now, I like catchy. :(

so do i but i also recognize catchy =/= good

[cobert]

Itp

[nobodyblossomsforever]

In a lot of cases yes, because eventually the catchiness gets boring and annoying. But if something gives me a cool feeling inside, I will probably like it right off the bat. I'm not that picky when it comes to music. I'm not limited to any certain genre.

[B]

um so jess wherever you peaced too idc you can say they are ska if you want lets just not fite k ilu

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