V Tech

[TravisBarkerrules]

So you all have probably heard about the Virginia Tech shooting with 30+ people dead, and officially the worst slaying in U.S. history. Personally, I am pissed off about this stuff. I dont get why we even need guns anymore: To kill people? apparently.
All that guns are used for is to be a threat and to murder people. I dont give a **** about self protection or hunting anymore. If you really need to go hunt **** throw a god damn rock, **** your guns. I dont care that these are isolated incidents and not all people that have guns kill people.
Well, here is the deal people die by guns all the damn time and really if 1 person is able to have a gun then all of us will. **** the 2nd Amendment, that doesnt apply now a adays. It may have made sense a 100 years ago but now its just garbage. No way no how should someone be allowed to carry something hidden that can blow someones head off, I dont care who you are. I would maybe make the exception of police officers but I dont know, they are like I said before give 1 person a gun and they all will have one soon.

We have become a country of violence and war. We have not become a country of wealth and that nonsence. We should leave Iraq the hell alone, all that is happening is Americans are dieing... I had no problem with the war until George Bush and all his cats decided to lengthen our soldiers time over there.

Yes I am ranting and rambling I do not know how much of this makes sense all I know is that I am sick of it.

Ok now its time for all you NRA members and Gun rights people to step up and tell me benefits of guns and all that.

P.S I am a drummer and this is a discussion so please dont move it i am angry enough already

[Undisco Kidd]

We don't need your opinion on this, especially seeing how horribly written this thread is.

Yes, it's bad. But we all know about it. Anyone within 100 feet of a TV knows. Your little internet post won't get guns banned.

[maniac0796]

Get over it.

I agree that it's a horrible barbaric thing to happen but bitching at people having guns isn't gonna help anything.

You ban guns, people buy knifes, like here in england, then you get random stabbings and gang crime.

Let the baby have its bottle, and the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Just wait for the time people come to burgle your house and you don't have any form of weapon...

[sLarkin20]

Probably not a good idea to make a thread like this on these forums

I can only imagine where this will lead if left open

[Undisco Kidd]

Get over it.

I agree that it's a horrible barbaric thing to happen but bitching at people having guns isn't gonna help anything.

You ban guns, people buy knifes, like here in england, then you get random stabbings and gang crime.

Let the baby have its bottle, and the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Just wait for the time people come to burgle your house and you don't have any form of weapon...
If someone wants to take my ****, I won't stop them. We have insurance to cover that. I'm not going to shoot at someone if there is a possibility of them having a gun and better aim.

[TravisBarkerrules]

I really dont acre if people flame the **** out of this whatever and I said it was shittly written its my little rant so ha.

But you think you have gangs in England? Come to the U.S. we have our gangs and then the ****ing gangs of other countries.

Yes, I know none of you give a crap because as long as Danny Carey is god that is all that matters in life.

[maniac0796]

I don't think danny carey is bad, and i know the situation isn't as bad here, but it's getting worse...

We have a lot more threat from other cultures like muslims and so forth because they don't agree with our ideas.

To be honest, you're just a little pussy kid who doesn't seem to realize things happen in this world you don't want them to...

When you don't understands someones motive to do something, then you label them crazy. Maybe this gunman had a motive to kill those people. Maybe at the end of the day, he was completely off his rocker. No one will know because he's dead now.

Live with it.

[TravisBarkerrules]

When did I say he was crazy? When did I bring up the article of motive?
I didn't I made the arguement that people who are able to walk around carring a firearm and own extremely lethal weapons are a threat to American society.

[Undisco Kidd]

When did I say he was crazy? When did I bring up the article of motive?
I didn't I made the arguement that people who are able to walk around carring a firearm and own extremely lethal weapons are a threat to American society.

You made the 'argument' on a drumming forum.

We carry drumsticks, not pistols.

[TravisBarkerrules]

I do know that but Drummers are people and people have opinions and all that good stuff.

[Undisco Kidd]

Jesus christ. It's a comma.

,

Use one.

Okay, we're people. That doesn't stop the fact that we have a stronghold for this kind of thing. People MIGHT take you more seriously if this did not appear to be written by a fifth grader.

Ohnoes, people have guns. Yeah, I don't like that, but I doubt that whining about US gun laws on a forum that's only about 40% American is going to do anything.

[hey]

yah i live like a half an hour away from VT. i agree with you to an extent. its like the saying goes. "cant live with em, cant live without em" on one hand itd be a great idea to ban guns, no one would get hurt. but even if they banned guns, its not like people wouldnt have them. how do you think people get cocain? its illegal but people get it. the point is, itd be a great idea to ban guns, but then again, self protection? people need guns, but in the wrong hands guns are horrible and obviously deadly. in the wrong hands...

[DrumIntoTheNight]

We banned the use and sale of guns in the UK years ago, and gun crime has only increased. Banning firearms will only ever affect the law abiding citizens and have no effect on anyone who intends to misuse them.

I shoot competitively, and guns are no bad thing. The issue is the people behind them. If the police carried out checks on weapon owners and did more to prevent illegal weapon imports, the world would be a safer place.

You're a little out of your depth with the social commentary TS. Take a chill pill and learn to accept the real world.

[TravisBarkerrules]

I know sorry porcupine. I knew that one was bad and this whole thread has been gramma wise, forgive me.

Drumintothenight, I like what you had to say. I do realize all that you guys have said, I know poorly written excuse that please and I came off as a a jackass that knew everything.

I know banning guns will never happen and if it did it would work like prohibition.

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off like I was directly pissed off but personally when 30+ people die, I cant just say sucks for them.

[Sharkey Boy]

Its a shame thats all I can say, those families to have lost people and so young aswell.

So glad I live in a nation where guns are pretty much 100% prohibited. Although in my little town, if you got the money it wouldnt be impossible to get one by any means, but harder at least.

i felt sick after hearing about today, its tragic

Im tryin not to get drawn into the "ban guns" debate, but im pretty sure america have come so far with it you couldnt really take it away now I guess

Im not really a religious person but tonight I will be thinking and praying for the people involved

thats all I really gtta say

[Zildjian]

i feel really bad for the families that lost someone during this massacre.

And FYI TS. Guns dont kill people, maniac's with guns kill people

[TravisBarkerrules]

Zildjian I understand that people can become irrational and just snap but when access to guns is so easy it just seems irresponsible. Just my thoughts, I know death cant be prevented but I dont know, something needs to happen.

[Zildjian]

you know how hard it is to buy guns? You got to have like a perfect record to own anything bigger then a 9mm

and i bet the gun that idiot used was stolen

[TravisBarkerrules]

I hope it was otherwise there is still someohne else to blame. I know it is difficult to buy guns and stuff because of the backround checks and waiting period. I have no real answer to that but I know they do alot before you can possess a gun.

WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME. MY RANT HAS LET ME SETTLE DOWN!

thanks again.

[Ethan.]

you know how hard it is to buy guns? You got to have like a perfect record to own anything bigger then a 9mm

and i bet the gun that idiot used was stolen
Ever heard of the black market? I can go get a 9mm right now if I wanted, and I'm 16.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

In the UK, it's around £45 for an AK-47, which chambers 7.62mm rounds which will shoot clean through brick walls. The waiting time to get one is around 2 days. Getting a pistol is child's play.

Ultimately, the gun cannot be invented, and banning them will result in an evermore agressive and successful black market.

[TravisBarkerrules]

Agreed, the systems are flawed but crime cant be prevented intirely. Maybe something good will come of this shooting and gun control will be improved.

[Ethan.]

I know, it's impossible to ban guns. They have already been invented, and they are obviously high in demand.

That is why I think the gun control idea is a bit flawed: it bans guns, but criminals get their hands on guns anyways it's not hard leaving normal respectable citizens that follow the law without lethal defense that may be necessary because of criminals with guns. It's a circle that really can't be broken.

And I'd like to express my sorrow for those who are related to victims, friends of victims, etc. This is very sobering event, exeeding the atrocities of the Columbine shootings. I feel terrible, and I only know one VT alumni.

On another note, it really pisses me off how the press throws questions at the authorities. They are asking questions that are totally rude and uncalled for, like "Are you sure you did all that was possible to fix the situation?" and stuff like that. Totally uncalled for; like the cops don't already feel bad enough having to look at innocent dead students.

[Mr Pink]

Lets ban air planes too. Those f@$kers take out a lot of people when they crash. And don't forget cars...they kill thousands every year too. And toasters, if you stick a fork in one when you are standing in the bath tub full of water, you will more than likely die.
If everyone had a gun on campus, this cheese a$$ would not have got very far. Other students would have swiss cheesed his a$$. Guns are not the problem.

[Mr Pink]

So glad I live in a nation where guns are pretty much 100% prohibited.



So are dentists it would seem................

[The Chemist]

So are dentists it would seem................
Not funny in the least.

Freebyrd, the whole Media thing, you're right. They don't want facts, or information... they want to know what the shooter listened to. They want to see people crying, panic. They thrive on milking the real world, to provide the most entertainment. That's what news has become. Entertainment.

[Marky_Mark]

Get over it.

I agree that it's a horrible barbaric thing to happen but bitching at people having guns isn't gonna help anything.

You ban guns, people buy knifes, like here in england, then you get random stabbings and gang crime.

Let the baby have its bottle, and the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Just wait for the time people come to burgle your house and you don't have any form of weapon...

That's technically robbery. Burglary is when no one is home.

[goalieman92]

**** the 2nd Amendment, that doesnt apply now a adays. It may have made sense a 100 years ago but now its just garbage. No way no how should someone be allowed to carry something hidden that can blow someones head off, I dont care who you are.


Have you read the second amendment lately, like in the last 200 or so years? The second amendment reads and I quote "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." There is nothing there that says that you can carry it around hidden, bearing arms means it is known to all. If you want it concealed, you need a concealed weapons permit to do that, same with knives, tasers, and mace.

[Marky_Mark]

Have you read the second amendment lately, like in the last 200 or so years? The second amendment reads and I quote "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." There is nothing there that says that you can carry it around hidden, bearing arms means it is known to all. If you want it concealed, you need a concealed weapons permit to do that, same with knives, tasers, and mace.

And you still cant get the permit easily. I think you need to prove your life is severly threatened on a day to day basis.

[goalieman92]

It isn't that easy.

[TravisBarkerrules]

I was talking about concealed weapons laws and 2nd ammendment sorry its really unclear.

Mr. Pink, you put it in a decent perspective but I think the more we limit, the less it happens

[lmldrummer]

but the more we limit, the less fun life becomes

my mom has a concealed weapons permit, cause she's a lawyer, and thought it'd be a good idea

[iamjoe2]

if you ban guns......


nothing will happen


the good people who will accually git rid of them would never use them wrongly

and the dudes that are whack will still get em, couse no matter what you do the people who really what em will get em, and the people who really want em....

really want to use em

[Schmudiments]

Poorly written thread.

Guns have nothing to do with killing people. Guns are merely tools, just as a socket wrench or a pair of metal shears are. Guns only kill people when you let them get into the wrong hands.

The solution is not banning guns alltogether. The solution is actually USING the laws put into effect in some states that requre background checks etc. when you purchase a gun.

[Pauly]

I had a quick look at some articles.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166

"The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people.

Japan had the lowest rate, at 0.05 gun deaths per 100,000 (1 per 2 million people). The police in Japan actively raid homes of those suspected of having weapons."

I'm amazed that Japan can sustain such a low yearly death rate due to firearms (keeping in mind that the study was from 1998).


Another interesting quote from a different article:
"Guns killed more than 5000 people in Australia in the past decade. Nine out of 10 of the victims were male and most of them killed themselves." (3930 fatalities out of a total of 5083 studied = ~77%)

[Mr Pink]

I was talking about concealed weapons laws and 2nd ammendment sorry its really unclear.

Mr. Pink, you put it in a decent perspective but I think the more we limit, the less it happens

The thing is, the criminals will always be able to find guns. The mentally insane will always find a way to carry out what the voices in their head are telling them to do. If this guy didn't us a gun, who is to sayhe wouldn't torch the dorms as the students slept?? That gunman crossed paths with lets say 200 people during the rampage. If 5% would have been arm and trained in the use of their gun, it might have have been over sooner. No way to really know. I have a gun permit. I work in some rough areas in Indianapolis and choose to protect myself. Limiting guns takes them out of the hands of those who legally use and own them.

[Carne Evil]

It's true: People kill other people, whether they have guns or not. The problem is that guns allow your average person to do so very effectively. If this kid at VT had no access to the guns, he might have managed to kill a person or two in a rampage with a knife or something, but not 30

[Panopticon]

I don't think danny carey is bad, and i know the situation isn't as bad here, but it's getting worse...

We have a lot more threat from other cultures like muslims and so forth because they don't agree with our ideas.

To be honest, you're just a little pussy kid who doesn't seem to realize things happen in this world you don't want them to...

When you don't understands someones motive to do something, then you label them crazy. Maybe this gunman had a motive to kill those people. Maybe at the end of the day, he was completely off his rocker. No one will know because he's dead now.

Live with it.

muslim is not a culture...muslims are followers of the Islamic RELIGION


Yes, I know none of you give a crap because as long as Danny Carey is god that is all that matters in life.

^^Now you're getting it...except that god tore his bicep so he can't play...too bad...we should pray for him...

[wesm9787]

I haven't really read most of the posts in here, because half of them are just people rambling for or against banning guns. I will say that I was really shocked when I read the article the first time on Yahoo news. 22 people dead. Then I read an entirely seperate article, a second time. 33 people now dead, including the guy that did it and then killed himself. Apparently the heads of campus didn't think it would be a good idea to alert the students that a shooting had occurred, and maybe they should, i don't know, find shelter. No, they didn't say a word to anyone, most students found out 2 hours after the second shooting, via email.

This is what makes me mad more than anything. Not only did someone kill 22 people, but he was allowed to come back and kill 10 more people before killing himself, because the campus staff thought he had left, and didn't think it was necessary to alert the students of the fact that their lives could be in danger. How can you be so careless in a situation where people have died?? Over 70 people were shot.

Let me repeat that. Over 70 people were shot. It could have stopped long before that. But those who could have taken action, didn't. That's just disgusting that they have that little regard for human life.

As far as the gun control issue goes, banning guns will not solve anything. But, as someone else said, maybe if the police actually enforced the gun control laws that are supposed to have been put into effect, things like this wouldn't happen as often. It's funny how they can throw a Muslim in jail for absolutely no reason, hold him without giving him a description of his charges, or for that matter charging him with anything at all, tap his phone lines, read his emails, etc. And yet the police are worried about people's freedoms with this gun control thing. I say we take Japan's example. Start searching the homes of suspected illegal carriers of deadly weapons. I'd let the police search my house if it prevented something like this from happening where I live. I would gladly deal with that 5 to 10 minutes of inconvenience, as opposed to putting 40 or more people in the hospital and 33 in the morgue.

[DrummingBen]

Banning guns will do something. If people really want a gun, then it wont stop them, but they can't just grab it off the shelve and shoot people kinda thing. For example (a bad one) if you had a machine that let you dictate stuff to the computer, you use it. But you don't go out of your way to get one. Similar thing with guns. Ordinary that got a sudden rage or rush of blood or whatever, wont be able to just grab it off the shelf while they're hot.

[some jive turkey]

sorry,
but I'm going to suggest this thread be deleted.

Its basically spam. This is a drum forum, not a news forum.

The problem with threads like this is that people read them and then can't resist posting in them, which ultimately keeps them from posting about drums, ....which in turn, depriciates the integrity of this forum because it's less related to drumming.

This is why the strong hold exists,...off topic discussion. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand.

I don't think people would like it if I were a mod because I would get rid of crap threads like this instantly.

[static]

If someone wants to take my ****, I won't stop them. We have insurance to cover that. I'm not going to shoot at someone if there is a possibility of them having a gun and better aim.

:lol:

[LoneStarDrummer]

this whole event is very unfortunate. these people had a bright future ended by some dumbass. these were mostly engineering students at a respectable school and now some moron had to ruin everything they had going for them.

it really pisses me off too. may God bless them all and their families and friends.

[static]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=521473

[Light_Fantastic_]

guys school shootings are funny k

[metallas]

I will maybe become hated but all you americans have to face the truth.
Kills and murders are happening years and years on other countries because your presintent said so. He/she comes up with an excuse and that's it. Next day hundernds of "high-tech, driven buy computers and satelites" missles kill people "totally accidenldy". And then your president comes out and says, "oh we are teribly sorry about that. It shouldn't happend, We were aiming a target out of the town where there are no people"
It's only irak or iran? It was bosnia? I cannot rememer who else before bosnia.
Come on who is after?
The worst terrorist is your army and your president with the people around him. I cannot remember a time that you someone else started a war at you.
You recieve what you cause. And ALL the wars and bombs at other continents. Not a sigle bomb in America.
Don't tell me that you have never seen videos where soldiers punish and torture old people, children and doing whatever.
And now you complain about murders in your country. It's a shame. Stop killing people, or at least protest about it and then you have the right to comlain about murders in YOUR country.

[Light_Fantastic_]

i swear get some ****ing paragraphs or ill shoot you

[DrummingBen]

^^ I think you will find that many Americans are of the same opinion as you, but are quite powerless to stop it.

[GhostNote]

Banning guns outright will potentially do something, because even though it wont prevent pre-meditated gun crimes, it will prevent 'spur of the moment' attacks in which the attacker has a gun in the first place and in a state of frenzy goes and shoots a place up, like VT. It was about his girlfriend apparently so yeah.


-GN

[DrummingBen]

Banning guns outright will potentially do something, because even though it wont prevent pre-meditated gun crimes, it will prevent 'spur of the moment' attacks in which the attacker has a gun in the first place and in a state of frenzy goes and shoots a place up, like VT. It was about his girlfriend apparently so yeah.


-GN

Exactly what I said, but apparently no one read it so yeah:p

[GhostNote]

My bad, sorry bro.


-GN

[MNdrummer21]

I will maybe become hated but all you americans have to face the truth.
Kills and murders are happening years and years on other countries because your presintent said so. He/she comes up with an excuse and that's it. Next day hundernds of "high-tech, driven buy computers and satelites" missles kill people "totally accidenldy". And then your president comes out and says, "oh we are teribly sorry about that. It shouldn't happend, We were aiming a target out of the town where there are no people"
It's only irak or iran? It was bosnia? I cannot rememer who else before bosnia.
Come on who is after?
The worst terrorist is your army and your president with the people around him. I cannot remember a time that you someone else started a war at you.
You recieve what you cause. And ALL the wars and bombs at other continents. Not a sigle bomb in America.
Don't tell me that you have never seen videos where soldiers punish and torture old people, children and doing whatever.
And now you complain about murders in your country. It's a shame. Stop killing people, or at least protest about it and then you have the right to comlain about murders in YOUR country.

Where the hell do you get off? You're just another one of those assholes from some other country who thinks his country is absolved from responsibility and mistakes, and that America is the source of the world's problems. Well guess what my friend, we saved your country's *** in WWII when the Italians and Germans took your country. If we hadn't entered that war, where would you be today? Perhaps the German army would have killed one of your ancestors or something, and you would never have come into existence; who knows? My point is, get your facts straight before you go and talk about a country you've never lived in and can only surmise conclusions about from your TV shows and history books.
And don't even start blaming the issues in Bosnia on us. That country was in chaos and ruins long before the US was involved, we were merely trying to stop the dissent and massacre among the Bosnian people. Oh, and our country has nevember been attacked huh? How about Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Thousands of Americans died that day, but you know what happened? We retaliated in full force and kicked Japan's ***, and showed everybody that you don't poke the giant unless you want to get smacked down. The sole reason we got involved in WWII is this attack and the Zimmerman note, in which Germany told Mexico they could have land in the US if they allied against us. Funny enough, if I recall, we didn't start WWI either!
Fix the problems in your own damn country before your so quick to point fingers at the US, just because it's easier to say "oh, we're all so helpless to prevent crime and fighting in our own countries, so let's blame America for the world's problems, they won't mind."
GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Recently leaked documents show that the attack at Pearl Harbour was not in any way a surprise to the powers that be at the time. They chose to ignore the threat and allow the attack, as it would then allow politicians to change their policy from isolationism. It was, infact, a political manuever.

Don't pretend that America won WWII all by itself, that's incredibly nieve. The success of the allies in the Second World War was, oddly enough, a team effort. No-one could have succeeded without another.

Many historians place Russia's intervention higher up on the significance scale than America's. Arguably, they did more, and certainly sacrificed more for the cause than America. So please, none of this 'we saved your asses' crap that we hear every time somebody disses America.

[Dave*Grohl]

Only thing im conna reply to this is: The gun policy of the USA. The most ****ing redilcilous thing in the world. Once again we are proven

[MNdrummer21]

yeah sry dude but I never said that we won WWII all by ourselves, though it's likely that many european countries, including yours wouldn't have made it through WWI without the U.S.'s intervention. Oh and there were several mistakes made in the interception of the Pearl Harbor transimissons, but it was most definently not intentionally allowed to happen. Think before you speak plz k thanks

[GhostNote]

Where the hell do you get off? You're just another one of those spatulas from some other country who thinks his country is absolved from responsibility and mistakes, and that America is the source of the world's problems. Well guess what my friend, we saved your country's *** in WWII when the Italians and Germans took your country. If we hadn't entered that war, where would you be today? Perhaps the German army would have killed one of your ancestors or something, and you would never have come into existence; who knows? My point is, get your facts straight before you go and talk about a country you've never lived in and can only surmise conclusions about from your TV shows and history books.
And don't even start blaming the issues in Bosnia on us. That country was in chaos and ruins long before the US was involved, we were merely trying to stop the dissent and massacre among the Bosnian people. Oh, and our country has nevember been attacked huh? How about Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Thousands of Americans died that day, but you know what happened? We retaliated in full force and kicked Japan's ***, and showed everybody that you don't poke the giant unless you want to get smacked down. The sole reason we got involved in WWII is this attack and the Zimmerman note, in which Germany told Mexico they could have land in the US if they allied against us. Funny enough, if I recall, we didn't start WWI either!
Fix the problems in your own damn country before your so quick to point fingers at the US, just because it's easier to say "oh, we're all so helpless to prevent crime and fighting in our own countries, so let's blame America for the world's problems, they won't mind."
GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Yeah because one person can fix their whole country's problems....:rolleyes:

Giving biased views for the lose, you elitist.


-GN

[metallas]

Where the hell do you get off? You're just another one of those spatulas from some other country who thinks his country is absolved from responsibility and mistakes, and that America is the source of the world's problems. Well guess what my friend, we saved your country's *** in WWII when the Italians and Germans took your country. If we hadn't entered that war, where would you be today? Perhaps the German army would have killed one of your ancestors or something, and you would never have come into existence; who knows? My point is, get your facts straight before you go and talk about a country you've never lived in and can only surmise conclusions about from your TV shows and history books.
And don't even start blaming the issues in Bosnia on us. That country was in chaos and ruins long before the US was involved, we were merely trying to stop the dissent and massacre among the Bosnian people. Oh, and our country has nevember been attacked huh? How about Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Thousands of Americans died that day, but you know what happened? We retaliated in full force and kicked Japan's ***, and showed everybody that you don't poke the giant unless you want to get smacked down. The sole reason we got involved in WWII is this attack and the Zimmerman note, in which Germany told Mexico they could have land in the US if they allied against us. Funny enough, if I recall, we didn't start WWI either!
Fix the problems in your own damn country before your so quick to point fingers at the US, just because it's easier to say "oh, we're all so helpless to prevent crime and fighting in our own countries, so let's blame America for the world's problems, they won't mind."
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
I was 100% sure that you will mention Pearl Harbor. But I wasn't sure if you have the "balls" to mention the the first in the history atomic bomb. That was your answer. Poluting the rest of the world beacuse japanese kicked your ***.
Every war you make nowdays has one excuse. Get your tankers filled, and advertise-test your wearons so that other countries will buy wearpons from your companies.
You are totally right about helping other countries. I remember a few years back watching live on tv those missles helping another country near here.....
Or like the other day when you killed Sadam that way. There are a lot of ways to kill someone. We live in 2007. You just chose the worst way, showinh how arrogant you are.
And somehting else. The fact that you did something good at WW2 (and you didn't do it on your own, actually you did it in assosiation with the rest of the countries members of the allied forces), doesn't mean that you can do NOW WHATEVER you want and bomb whatever country doesn't agree with you.
And I never said that my country is absolved from responsibility and mistakes.
Don't make up silly excuses for the wars your country starts.
You charged you as the Piece makers of the world? Humanity doesn't need piece makers like you. Anyone who haves power in his hands should have widsom. Currently you are the "strogest" country. Learn how to use your power for the improvement of humanity.
You check every sigle ant(his parents, his children, blood type) that wants to come in USA, and then again, you decide if you are gonna give him a visa.
But americans can visit whichever country they want.
That's pretty fair you know.
And stop being rude. The fact that you don't use "bad language" doesn't mean that you are rude.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

yeah sry dude but I never said that we won WWII all by ourselves, though it's likely that many european countries, including yours wouldn't have made it through WWI without the U.S.'s intervention. Oh and there were several mistakes made in the interception of the Pearl Harbor transimissons, but it was most definently not intentionally allowed to happen. Think before you speak plz k thanks

Says the guy who just posted a mega rant about how great his country is. :rolleyes:

Why did you even bother to bring it up then? If your point was not that America won the war for the Allies, then why bother saying it?

The idea of mistakes being made in the interception was the traditionally held view, yes, but recent documents show otherwise. The current view, supported by these documents actually makes alot of sense if you know what you're talking about. America needed an excuse to leave behind their old policy of isolationism; what better excuse than being subject to a 'surprise attack'? Read a history book or two and gain some knowledge of the politics involved before you tell me to think, jackass.

Edit; One thing that Americans must realise is that any criticism of their country is not a criticism of them, but of their leadership and their political standings. The American people are generally fantastic people; please don't take it personally when people attack America's current global standing or past actions.

[MNdrummer21]

Yeah because one person can fix their whole country's problems....:rolleyes:

Giving biased views for the lose, you elitist.


-GN

I was speaking in general terms, not just about him, but about all the people in other countries who are so quick to blame America for everyone's problems while turning a blind eye to their own. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Hypocrisy for the lose, you elitist.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

That was possibly the shittest argument I've ever seen. You only needed to use that phrase once.

[metallas]

Says the guy who just posted a mega rant about how great his country is. :rolleyes:

Why did you even bother to bring it up then? If your point was not that America won the war for the Allies, then why bother saying it?

The idea of mistakes being made in the interception was the traditionally held view, yes, but recent d0cuments show otherwise. The current view, supported by these d0cuments actually makes alot of sense if you know what you're talking about. America needed an excuse to leave behind their old policy of isolationism; what better excuse than being subject to a 'surprise attack'? Read a history book or two and gain some knowledge of the politics involved before you tell me to think, jackass.

Edit; One thing that Americans must realise is that any criticism of their country is not a criticism of them, but of their leadership and their political standings. The American people are generally fantastic people; please don't take it personally when people attack America's current global standing or past actions.
Rep for you.Again being a leader(whatever this can mean) brings some serious responsibility. The fact that i can hurt someone doesn't mean that I will do it if I wake up a morning and feel like beating someone.

[Aria.]

waht a bunch of ****in poofters whats this got to do with bass

[metallas]

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Hypocrisy for the lose, you elitist.
Do you understand what you say? That's exactly what everyone tells for usa.
Look at youself first and then take the time to solve problems of other countries (bombibg them and stuff)

[GhostNote]

I was speaking in general terms, not just about him, but about all the people in other countries who are so quick to blame America for everyone's problems while turning a blind eye to their own. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Hypocrisy for the lose, you elitist.

"All the people in other countries"? Yeah... That's why you had a go at him.
And obviously i'm being an elitist because i'm from another country and don't agree with your post. :rolleyes:

Whats with the hypocrisy statements? When did i say my country was better than yours? I simplay said you had biased views and didnt agree with what you said. Learn to read and write properly, moron.

Great 'analogy' too, you pompous ****.


-GN

[Aria.]

okkk

SORRY BROS THAT WAS HARSH LETS ALL BE FRIENDS

[MNdrummer21]

Never knew the anti-american sentiments were so strong on this board. What I'm saying is that everyone in the world seems to have the perception that everyone in the US is like George Bush. Unfortunately, that's completely false. He is a horrible representation of Americans as a whole, and in no way do I support the actions of this current administration of which he is at the head. I think the Iraq war was foolish, and unnecessary. I was merely defending my country as any of you would have had someone come out and blatantly blamed and criticized your country for creating problems in the midst of a tragedy like the massacre at Va. Tech. Let me say this before the argument is done: I do not hold your respective countries in low esteem because of what has been said here, but I am sick of people placing the blame solely on the US for all of the world's problems. Our country is not without fault in any way, shape, or form, but who here can stand up and say their country is perfect? Anyone? "Let he without sin cast the first stone." And with that, I bid you adieu.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

I think anyone who blames all the world's problems on America is a moron, however, there are many things that can be pinned on America's past actions, either directly or indirectly.

That said, many great things have come out of America. It's the same with any country. The UK for example lead the world with industrialisation, but left a legacy of colonialism abroad. It's swings and roundabouts. The fact that America and it's economy is so collossal makes it's impacts on the world enormous, and because of that, things tend to get blown out of proportion, particularly it's flaws.

[theamericandream38]

*rides in*

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*rides out*

[Light_Fantastic_]

america morelike amerikkka hi drum forum is this how to discuss politik

[Aria.]

hi light fantastik

[Mr Pink]

The gunman was an exchange student from SOUTH KOREA. You all can shut the F%CK up now about Americans. (with the exception of G.W. Bush..he is a monkey)

[MNdrummer21]

I apoligize for letting this argument get out of hand, it was just hard for me to hear someone saying that kind of thing at a time when I have friends and people I know who were directly effected by the terrifying massacre at Va. Tech. *Offers hand in peace*

[GhostNote]

Never knew the anti-american sentiments were so strong on this board. What I'm saying is that everyone in the world seems to have the perception that everyone in the US is like George Bush. Unfortunately, that's completely false. He is a horrible representation of Americans as a whole, and in no way do I support the actions of this current administration of which he is at the head. I think the Iraq war was foolish, and unnecessary. I was merely defending my country as any of you would have had someone come out and blatantly blamed and criticized your country for creating problems in the midst of a tragedy like the massacre at Va. Tech. Let me say this before the argument is done: I do not hold your respective countries in low esteem because of what has been said here, but I am sick of people placing the blame solely on the US for all of the world's problems. Our country is not without fault in any way, shape, or form, but who here can stand up and say their country is perfect? Anyone? "Let he without sin cast the first stone." And with that, I bid you adieu.

Since when did i say anything bad about the US? I was critisizing you for your posts.


-GN

[Aria.]

btw ghost note tahts waht happens wehn u neg rep me

[maniac0796]

Recently leaked documents show that the attack at Pearl Harbour was not in any way a surprise to the powers that be at the time. They chose to ignore the threat and allow the attack, as it would then allow politicians to change their policy from isolationism. It was, infact, a political manuever.

Don't pretend that America won WWII all by itself, that's incredibly nieve. The success of the allies in the Second World War was, oddly enough, a team effort. No-one could have succeeded without another.

Many historians place Russia's intervention higher up on the significance scale than America's. Arguably, they did more, and certainly sacrificed more for the cause than America. So please, none of this 'we saved your asses' crap that we hear every time somebody disses America.

By the time the russians started attacking, the most power of the German army was on the eastern front. The russians went through so much more **** than America, and berlin wouldn't of fallen without them...

Put it this way, guns are just like drugs. If you ban em, someone somewhere has got a business opportunity and starts making his millions. He's still gonna get them into the country and sell em. Keep em legal and this man and all his little slaves don't clog up the prison system and get filthy rich from contraband.

[GhostNote]

btw ghost note tahts waht happens wehn u neg rep me

:lol: like i give two shits. It did practically nothing to my rep anyway, you child and your followers :thumb:


-GN

[bottlerocket]

I don't like where this went...:(