indietrash is the new Mote.

[YDload]

i hate it when someone comes into alt/indie and, i mean they generally have good taste in music, right? not TOO bad. but they just cant take the flames and make retarded posts instead:

indie will always rule. thank the non-existing God for labels like Dischord, Three One G and How Is Annie.
not to mention all the DIY bands out there who do absolutely everything themselves.
"thank the non-existing God" no, thank YOU for mentioning how cool you are for not believing in God! there was definitely a reason for that and its not at all awkward to mention at every opportunity.

oh noez!!!!111111eleven

you really hurt my feelings there.
I guess I'll just put on my Embrace cassette or CD, and cut myself.
well, if the cassette still works that is. it's so freaking trashed. I've had it since I was three, or summat like that.
apparently people still say "oh noez" and add exclamation points, the number one, and spell out numbers consisting of ones. not at all retarded!

I can't help it. Morten Andre Samdal, Ian MacKay (and Jeff Nelson) and Justin Pearson pretty much own.
misspelling "MacKaye" was the last straw

ok so everyone knows it's no fun having threads that arent about music and are just about ganging up on one user and making fun of them. but i'm doing it anyway. don't know why.

in conclusion: stop being a bad poster. be better.

[Eliminator]

Check out his awesome review:

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?albumid=17517

[Boilermaker]

O noez!!

I think it's great how he compares the guy in H.I.M. to Jimi Hendrix.

[T_L_H]

"thank the non-existing God" no, thank YOU for mentioning how cool you are for not believing in God! there was definitely a reason for that and its not at all awkward to mention at every opportunity.


That comment made me laugh. Wow, I've never seen such a balatant attempt to fit into "what's in".:rolleyes: Aside from that though, he seems alright to me.

[YDload]

well i'm sure this will all blow over eventually, just ask the OLD mote (aka Boilermaker).

but for now indietrash is still in the "SHUT UP NOOB" stage of posting. please act accordingly :)

[pixiesfanyo]

to be honest the old Mote still sucks. but perriwinkle's massive amount of sucking kind of off sets anyone else from sucking as much. indietrash sucks.

[Dave de Sylvia]

YDLoad stop trying to be the new pixiesfanyo

[BillCosby]

dude is apparently the namedrop king

[pixiesfanyo]

YDLoad stop trying to be the new pixiesfanyo

Plath quit trying to be the only New Radicals fan on the forum.

[sweboy]

Overhype IMO.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Plath quit trying to be the only New Radicals fan on the forum.
you fake run to your mansion

[EightMilesHigh]

outcast by choice

more like

outkast by choice

[pedro durruti]

Norway! Hahahaha

[Hedgedive]

A&I is great. the mods troll bad users for us ^___^

[Jacaranda]

OMG HE FORGOT AN 'E' ON MACKAYE GOD FORBID WHAT SHALL WE DO WITH HIM
stop being a nazi faggot.

[Hedgedive]

OMG HE FORGOT AN 'E' ON MACKAYE GOD FORBID WHAT SHALL WE DO WITH HIM
stop being a nazi faggot.

yah but that means he pry pronounces it AYY instead of EYE which is OMGZ INDIE CRIMEZ!!

[Thanks]

This was really funny, for the most part.

[RedMorningLight]

so basically, you're suggesting people should be able to just take flaming for a while? before their opinion is even recognised? fair enough, i guess i'd feel that way if i'd been on a forum for a while

[talk show host]

what a stupid thread

[Boilermaker]

YD just chill out.

[indietrash]

OH NOEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111eleven

I'm listening to Ian MacKaye (oh yes, I actually proof read it this time - so I wouldn't do a typo) & The Faith (a.k.a. Embrace) and cutting myself as we speak. that's just how much I care about what'cha think of me.



PS
I'm not cool, just 'cuz I don't believe in God. I'm smart.

PSS
the "oh noez!!!!!!!1111eleven" thang is s'posed'a be ironic. so's the "outcast by choice" thang.

PSSS
yes - I like HIM. I love them, actually. I guess it just makes me a faggot, and obviously an idiot - unlike you superios human beings - who probably haven't even heard any HIM songs, save for the singles off of Razorblade Romance and Dark Light.

[Ganondorf]

PS
I'm not cool, just 'cuz I don't believe in God. I'm smart.


How does being an atheist make you smart?

[The Frugal Gourmet]

A/I sucks everyone knows it

bring back '03

[indietrash]

How does being an atheist make you smart?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc - no one says it better.
btw - Helmuth Nyborg's research actually prove that religious people have 5,8 points lower IQ than atheists (on an average), and also that women have uhm... I think it was 4,9 points lower IQ than men.

[Kage]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc - no one says it better.
btw - Helmuth Nyborg's research actually prove that religious people have 5,8 points lower IQ than atheists (on an average), and also that women have uhm... I think it was 4,9 points lower IQ then men.

lol @ stats

[indietrash]

haha, yeah. I don't think very much about those stats, to tell the truth - but I cannot describe how fun it is to tease people with'em. Christian girls tend to get agressive real quick (maybe mr. Nyborg should do some research on that as well?) :p

[metalicajaymz]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc - no one says it better.
btw - Helmuth Nyborg's research actually prove that religious people have 5,8 points lower IQ than atheists (on an average), and also that women have uhm... I think it was 4,9 points lower IQ than men.

didn't really have a problem with you before, but now, wow

[Zmev]

I'm not cool, just 'cuz I don't believe in God. I'm smart.

uhm...

...

[niobium]

F5ing like no ****ing tomorrow

this is me

[ATM]

Where did all of the good posters go?

[Dave de Sylvia]

I'm right here.

[Yman]

I heard that HIM is a christian band.

And that standardized tests have the greatest bearing on your religious beliefs, unlike individual experiences or opinions.

Happy easter Btw.

[indietrash]

they're not. the band has no Christian messages or anything. and all the members are (afaIk) atheists.
not that I actually see why that matters in any way..?

oh quit being such a dumbass. I only pointed out that according to Nyborg - religious people are dumb. the reason I don't believe in God is 'cuz there ain't no God.

I don't celebrate Easter. but happy Easter back at'cha anyway, man.

[metalicajaymz]

indietrash prove there's no God

[indietrash]

there isn't any proof of a God existing, consequently - there is no God.

[Robert Crumb]

Well, I'm convinced.

[Dave de Sylvia]

there isn't any proof of a God existing, consequently - there is no God.
I can see you're the scientific type.

[<3<3<3]

there isn't any proof of a God existing, consequently - there is no God.


what

[Cocaine]

there isn't any proof of a God existing, consequently - there is no God.

Go jack off to a Richard Dawkins book, seriously.

[Matt?]

i have no proof that indietrash isn't a fake account. thus indietrash does not exist.

[Robert Crumb]

Ville Valo is my lord and savior. We used to do lines off the same male strippers.

[metalicajaymz]

I've never seen Ville Valo in person, therefore he is a hologram

[Matt?]

also embrace is not aka ian mackaye and the faith.

embrace is only three members of the faith.

even if it was all of the faith that is still stupid faulty logic, and a failure at redeeming yourself by making yourself look like a douche

[Dave de Sylvia]

k don't oversell the point

[Robert Crumb]

How dare you take Valo's name in vain, especially on this day, the one where he returned from an overdose and ascended to the right hand of his dealer, only to overdose again and wake up in a dumpster in Berlin.

[metalicajaymz]

won't you diiiiiiiiiiie (join me in death)
won't you die tonight for looooove



is that the only HIM song I've heard, yes
will I ever hear another one, no

[indietrash]

wow. you've all been busy.



"i have no proof that indietrash isn't a fake account. thus indietrash does not exist."
you can easily find that out. there's physical evidence of me excisting.

"I've never seen Ville Valo in person, therefore he is a hologram"
once again - there is physical evidence of his excistense.

"also embrace is not aka ian mackaye and the faith.
embrace is only three members of the faith.
even if it was all of the faith that is still stupid faulty logic, and a failure at redeeming yourself by making yourself look like a douche"
I was quoting them. they introduce themselves as "Ian MacKaye and the Faith, ladies and gentlemen!" on "Dance of Days" from the first recording session.


PS
HIM rules, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBN_xwGnzXU

[metalicajaymz]

indietrash have you ever seen Ville Valo in person

how, then, can you prove or be absolutely sure that he exists

[Dave de Sylvia]

indietrash have you ever seen Ville Valo in person

how, then, can you prove or be absolutely sure that he exists
because he's ****ing annoying

[indietrash]

indietrash have you ever seen Ville Valo in person

how, then, can you prove or be absolutely sure that he exists

yes.

and if I hadn't - there would still be physical evidence of his excistense.

[YDload]

look nobody is denying that embrace was a cool band (even though they barely had a dozen songs to their credit), but you have got to stop being an idiot.

[Cocaine]

Ville Valo is actually just Bam Margera.

[indietrash]

I fail to see what you're trying to communicate here, YDload.
what does Embrace have to do with nobody liking me/me being a prick?

[indietrash]

Cocaine - I love that everybody in the U.S. hate HIM, 'cuz they hate Bam Margera.

I mean Mr. Margera has either done a fantastic job at promoting HIM, or a terrible one. everybody knows who they are - but nobody's ever heard more than maybe two songs - and they hate them (actually, those who haven't heard a single song hates them as well).
either way - Bam Margera is a sellout douchebag.
and HIM rules (even though they are sellouts as well)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lv8FGhbJyAI

[Robert Crumb]

Christians usually counter that point by arguing that physical manifestations of the existence of God are omnipresent; nature itself is his calling card, so to speak. Then atheists are all like, nuh uh, the phenomenon of nature is completely scientific, explicable by our growing understanding of the fundamental rules and laws which guide nature. And then Christians are all like, pssh, where did those laws come from? There are a multitude of scientific coincidences that make it unreasonable to believe in the chance of science. And then scientists are all like, wtf dude, you're claiming that becomes something is a statistical longshot of occurring, there's no chance that it will occur? And then christians are all like well you know what I ****ed your mom last night. And then scientists are all like hey bitch don't go there. And then christians are all like, oh, I so totally did. And then scientists are all like, that's not very christian of you. And then christians are all like, hmm, yeah you're right. Sorry, dude. I didn't really **** your mom. It was just the heat of the moment and all, right? And then they bake cookies and have sex underneath the gaping mouth of the moon and little extraterrestrials are all up there getting mad lulz.

[metalicajaymz]

Christians usually counter that point by arguing that physical manifestations of the existence of God are omnipresent; nature itself is his calling card, so to speak. Then atheists are all like, nuh uh, the phenomenon of nature is completely scientific, explicable by our growing understanding of the fundamental rules and laws which guide nature. And then Christians are all like, pssh, where did those laws come from? There are a multitude of scientific coincidences that make it unreasonable to believe in the chance of science. And then scientists are all like, wtf dude, you're claiming that becomes something is a statistical longshot of occurring, there's no chance that it will occur? And then christians are all like well you know what I ****ed your mom got scared and said "you’re moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air" I whistled for a cab and when it came near the Licensplate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare But I thought now forget it, yo home to bel-air I pulled up to a house about seven or eight And I yelled to the cabby "yo, home smell you later" Looked at my kingdom I was finally there To settle my throne as the prince of bel-air

[indietrash]

I like that show. only good thang that bastard's ever done, really.


EDIT
I'm off to watch Nick of Time (greaaat movie) and eat sum turkey. so if there's anybody else who wants to declare their love - text me. you can also try to nudge my MSN, and hope I'll reply, but I won't promise anything.

[iarescientists]

Atheists just don't understand.

[EightMilesHigh]

I've never seen Lou Reed in person. VU never existed, it was just a marketing sceme by Andy Warhol. All made up. Like that movie with Jodie Foster.

[Robert Crumb]

Can we use this thread to write love sonnets to indietrash as we wait anxiously for his return?

[EightMilesHigh]

My love is like a truck BERZERKER

[YDload]

i cant get what i want, i'm a failure
nothing seems to work out quite
the way i plan
i cant express the way i feel, the way i feel
without ****ing up something else

im a failure
failure

[Ganondorf]

It's so cool to hate indietrash atm that not hating him will actually gain you indie points++

[YDload]

It's so cool to hate indietrash atm that not hating him will actually gain you indie points++

i hated indietrash before he got signed to a major

[indietrash]

yeah, you gotta give Mr. Dickhead here sum credit. he's a long time fan. he's the one who made me popular, actually.
he's my Bam Margera :)

oh, and Robbie - where's the sonnets that I've been promised?

[Thanks]

A/I sucks everyone knows it

bring back '03

*'02

[Doctor D.]

Wow.

I've been out of town for a bit. Now theres a new mote whose an actually an asshole. At least mote was really nice when he was under fire. And he doesn't like that Jackass band.

[Eliminator]

guys dont you get it hes being ironic!

[indietrash]

heeey. I was waiting for sumbody to take a bash at me acting all "misunderstood genius", when I'm actually just a dickweed - who isn't worthy at all.

man. I'll never get along with Americans. Americans and social-"democrats". they all hate me :(
except for God, 'course. God loves me.

[Bukowski]

is God american?

or a social democrat?

[Eliminator]

God is America

[indietrash]

exactly, Eliminator.
"you're not a dumb audience after all".

and I'll bet that greedy mother ****er is a "social democrat" as well.
sieg heil? nein! heil Gott!

[stalemate]

You've got to be kidding me? Firstly, you make me sick just by putting people down out of these things you've mentioned, the mistype in MacKaye, what's that ****? He slipped a letter, so what? I can asure you that he knows that it's MacKaye, and so what if he shows that he doesn't belive in God? Is that a crime? Damn you make me sick.


What ever happened to unity? To quote another hardcore genius beside mr MacKaye: "It doesn't have to be this way, it doesn't have to be so cruel, you can be happy for a change, it's up to you to make the rules!"

[Bukowski]

Norwegians unite!

[indietrash]

Norwegians pretty much suck. not as much as the U.S., but southern Norway (Oslo and thereabouts) are caving in.

[Robert Crumb]

YDload ban this fag.

[indietrash]

yeah. that'd be fun, wouldn't it?
I mean - banning people you don't like would be a nice way to deal with things. just ask Stalin.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Stalin didn't ban people you moron.

[indietrash]

you didn't quite catch that little joke, did you?
Stalin killed people. the ones who opposed him.
you want to ban people. the ones who oppose you.
am I the only one getting this? oh well. I laughed.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Nobody cares if you oppose us you're just a dumbass.

[indietrash]

ok.
Stalin killed people. those who in his opinon were dumbasses.
you want to ban people. those who in your opinion are dumbasses.

[sweboy]

Dude, what the hell are you talking about, Stalin is not even a member of this forum ffs.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Quit Stalin and get the hell out of here!

[pulseczar]

yes ban indietrash quickly his rebellious opinions will surely cause an uproar amongst our strict regime

[indietrash]

lol.
maybe I'll have a wikipedia article about me, some time?
you know. like Leroy Jenkins. that'd be awesome.

[YDload]

You've got to be kidding me? Firstly, you make me sick just by putting people down out of these things you've mentioned, the mistype in MacKaye, what's that ****? He slipped a letter, so what? I can asure you that he knows that it's MacKaye, and so what if he shows that he doesn't belive in God? Is that a crime? Damn you make me sick.


What ever happened to unity? To quote another hardcore genius beside mr MacKaye: "It doesn't have to be this way, it doesn't have to be so cruel, you can be happy for a change, it's up to you to make the rules!"

did you join the forums just to defend your countryman?

wow this is getting pretty serious, i've got a whole country united against me :(

[indietrash]

I wouldn't worry. Norway lacks anarcho-yos. there just ain't enough of us :(

[Joey S]

Stalin killed people. those who in his opinon were dumbasses.

Look, don't bring me into this, ok?

[Dave de Sylvia]

did you join the forums just to defend your countryman?

wow this is getting pretty serious, i've got a whole country united against me :(

It was always just a question of which country.

[indietrash]

settle down now, Mr. Stalin.
I'm not "bringing you into this". I'm just using you as an example of a superior human being.

[Ganondorf]

You've got to be kidding me? Firstly, you make me sick just by putting people down out of these things you've mentioned, the mistype in MacKaye, what's that ****? He slipped a letter, so what? I can asure you that he knows that it's MacKaye, and so what if he shows that he doesn't belive in God? Is that a crime? Damn you make me sick.


What ever happened to unity? To quote another hardcore genius beside mr MacKaye: "It doesn't have to be this way, it doesn't have to be so cruel, you can be happy for a change, it's up to you to make the rules!"


rofl I bet indietrash made this account himself :lol:

[indietrash]

oh. you got me there, Ganondorf.

[Ganondorf]

lol No one was criticisng you for not believing in God, they were havign a go at you because you implied that your beliefs somehow meant you were moe intelligent.

[indietrash]

do you really think that I would ever rate a Circle Takes the Square album 4.5 (as stalemate has actually managed to do)? (i would set myself on fire for you totally owns CTtS.) and on top of that give the Swing Kids album only 4?

[Boilermaker]

YD, check this mofo's IP.

He's too out of his mind to be real.

[Intransit]

haha, yeah. I don't think very much about those stats, to tell the truth - but I cannot describe how fun it is to tease people with'em. Christian girls tend to get agressive real quick (maybe mr. Nyborg should do some research on that as well?) :p
So this is why you are a sexually frustrated 15 year old who doesn't get any...you're a pompous *** too!

[indietrash]

actually, I'm a sexually frustrated 17 year old who doesn't get any.
I'm so dumb, people can't even begin to believe that I'm any older than 12.

[Intransit]

Well, maybe you should stop being a pompous fag who holds the fact that he is an atheist over everyone else, especially when you have as flawed reasoning as you do. Then someone will actually want to pay your penis some attention.

[indietrash]

you're purposely over-exaggerating.

while on the topic of fags: everybody should get naked and listen to The Art of Drowning. it'll save the world. seriously.

[CarnageFairy]

yes ban indietrash quickly his rebellious opinions will surely cause an uproar amongst our strict regime

Встречайте меня в Москва, камрада. Мы ввпьем водочку и имеем удивительно заднепроходный секс.

[indietrash]

sorry. I don't understand Russian anymore. I could read it when I was a child. or, parts of it anyway.
the only thing I remember from it are some of the letters. like, I know how to type some names. Пётр Алексе́евич Кропо́ткин.

pardon my ignorance, CarnageFairy, but could you please translate? I'd like to offended in a language I understand.

[Boilermaker]

Oh.

My.

****ing.

God.

[CarnageFairy]

"Meet me in Moscow, comrade. We will drink vodka and have suprising anal sex."

It wasn't directed at you, man. I just wanted to fit in with the Stalin theme that seems to be going on in here.

[indietrash]

a'ight, cool. no worries.


PS
I would advise you to to drink vodka in Ukraine instead. we all know Makhno is your homeboy.

[sweboy]

pardon my ignorance, CarnageFairy, but could you please translate? I'd like to offended in a language I understand.

Okay then:

Du din torskstinkande toppluvetaliban, stick hem till fjällen injicera lite olja! Din lilla valtorterande guleböjsglufsande fjordfåne. Valla din skida med gödsel, det blir kämpeflott!

[indietrash]

I don't have any toppluer. I don't live in the mountains. there's no oil here. what's "valtorterande"? and what's "böjs"? is it like... crap? do you pronounce it "bais"? what's a "fåne"? I've never thought of doing that with my **** actually... good idea!

I apologize not being able to understand the whole paragraph. I suck in Swedish. always have. I'm far better in Danish.

[BillCosby]

http://a384.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00330/38/38/330148383_l.jpg

[indietrash]

yeah. that one's hard to explain, lol.

here in Norway there's this crappy community forum for teenyboppers. it's the official forum of our chartlist program Topp 20 (think Top of the Pops). and we had this "post ya pic" thread, and all these wannabe emos (mainly Green Day and HIM fans) posted lots of "cool" pics. of course, I couldn't be any worse than them - so I did a nice little poze there. I have a friend of mine who did the same thing, but he wasn't nearly as posh as me. he had an Anaal Nathrakh shirt on. I mean, that was way before Anaal Nathrakh became pop on that forum.

[YDload]

His Indietrash Majesty

[BillCosby]

yeah. that one's hard to explain, lol.

here in Norway there's this crappy community forum for teenyboppers. it's the official forum of our chartlist program Topp 20 (think Top of the Pops). and we had this "post ya pic" thread, and all these wannabe emos (mainly Green Day and HIM fans) posted lots of "cool" pics. of course, I couldn't be any worse than them - so I did a nice little poze there. I have a friend of mine who did the same thing, but he wasn't nearly as posh as me. he had an Anaal Nathrakh shirt on. I mean, that was way before Anaal Nathrakh became pop on that forum.


oh okay that totally makes sense

thanks for mentioning anaal nathrakh, i now know how cool you are for knowing them

[indietrash]

ok. you busted me, YDload. that's where I got my nick from.

[indietrash]

oh okay that totally makes sense

thanks for mentioning anaal nathrakh, i now know how cool you are for knowing them

I don't really care if you don't believe me. I guess I'll live on, even though you think I'm gay or whatever.

I love Nathrakh btw. they are the best black metal band out there. beats the hell outta the Norwegian early '90s bm, imo. I actually have a signed copy of the Professor Fate album. it's my baby.

[BillCosby]

I don't really care if you don't believe me. I guess I'll live on, even though you think I'm gay or whatever.

I love Nathrakh btw. they are the best black metal band out there. beats the hell outta the Norwegian early '90s bm, imo. I actually have a signed copy of the Professor Fate album. it's my baby.

well isn't that something

[indietrash]

it's real cool. Kenney's totally awesome, man.

[BillCosby]

can you please make a post where you aren't trying to show us how cool you are by knowing something

[indietrash]

yes. that's what I'm purposely doing in every post I make. impress a bunch of dickheads. I wanna be just as cool as you guys.

[BillCosby]

well maybe you just shouldn't post at all then

[indietrash]

maybe I should jack of stalefish, tape it, and send you a shitload of VCDs with me jacking of stalefish. I have the infamous pink Razorblade Romance poster at home, I can jack off in front of it.

[Eliminator]

do you like to shark

[indietrash]

I'm assuming you're not referring to fraud, but summat sexual... but I have no idea just what. I'm not very updated with American slang. forgive my ignorance.

[BillCosby]

maybe I should jack of stalefish, tape it, and send you a poopload of VCDs with me jacking of stalefish. I have the infamous pink Razorblade Romance poster at home, I can jack off in front of it.


6298 lincoln ave
downey, ca. 97489

[indietrash]

k. gimme a some time. gotta raise funds to buy a cam. my father denyes me the pleasure to use his (me and a friend jumped into some pine(?)trees with it) :(

[Sam]

VCDs.

You backwards-*** Norwegian mother****er.

[indietrash]

sorry. I'm not your average Norwegian. I don't believe in CO2 causing global warming. I don't vote either Christian conservative, capitalist or social "democrat". I don't get pissed over me head every friday and saturday.
I could go on and on, but I choose not to.

[bleep_bloop]

there isn't any proof of a God existing, consequently - there is no God.

youre using the logic wrong you dope. there isnt any way of proving the existence of god or disproving his existance. i challenge you to find proof that god does not exist and some how validate it as being more liable than any other person's proof that god does exist.

[Zmev]

sorry. I'm not your average Norwegian. I don't believe in CO2 causing global warming. I don't vote either Christian conservative, capitalist or social "democrat". I don't get pissed over me head every friday and saturday.
I could go on and on, but I choose not to.

Yeah I bet you don't vote since you're like 14

[indietrash]

youre using the logic wrong you dope. there isnt any way of proving the existence of god or disproving his existance. i challenge you to find proof that god does not exist and some how validate it as being more liable than any other person's proof that god does exist.

ok. can you prove that there is no fifteen legged bunny with wings, no stomach but suprisingly enough - opposable thumbs? no? okay. I'm worshipping the bunny.

look. there is no physical evidence of God. there's your proof.

[indietrash]

Yeah I bet you don't vote since you're like 14

I'm old enough to vote. the reason I choose not to is 'cuz I don't wanna encourage the current political system.

[Zmev]

good answer

not

[metalicajaymz]

ok. can you prove that there is no fifteen legged bunny with wings, no stomach but suprisingly enough - opposable thumbs? no? okay. I'm worshipping the bunny.

ok, fine

that's a lot less ridiculous than you make it out to be, who cares what physical form one's God takes

[YDload]

ok i thought we had cooled down with the flaming and just agreed on a truce

let's clip this one now before we say things we might regret