Dead drummers: why did Zep break up but not The Who?

[YDload]

Okay so you all know the story: after John Bonham died, Led Zeppelin broke up. They just couldn't be the same band without him.

But after Keith Moon died, The Who just continued as a band. In fact, they're still playing now even after Entwistle died!

All I'm wondering is this: didn't Keith Moon mean as much to The Who as Bonham did to Zep? Two great drummers died, but only one of the bands involved actually realized how much theirs meant to the group?

Or you could think of it this way: if The Who could continue on, why couldn't Zep? who knows...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Pete Townshend realized that there was so much more **** to break. Hence, The Who went on.

[Lunch]

You know....I have no idea

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Just trust me on this one. It makes complete sense.

[Jude]

I think the Who maybe should have quit too...but then I'm not as familiar with their works as Zep's, so I dunno. I do know that Zeppelin without Bonham would have been a bad bad idea.

[repcak]

you can't compare bands with each other. each band has each "atmosphere"; the band members are friends (or not), so therefore one band can continue (like Metallica did), other can not, cause the friendship was stronger!

[PinkFreud]

Bonham was much more central to Zeppelin's sound than Moon was to the Who's. Sure, everyone knew Moon and his playing added a lot but it was much more centralized in Zeppelin. The Who had Townshend's songwriting, Daltrey's voice, and Entwistle's amazing bass to rely on. By the time Bonham died, Plant's voice was gone, Page still refused to advance as a guitarist, and JPJ was....just as unimportant as he always was.

And there's my Who biased assessment.

[Lunch]

The members of the Who also just liked each other less.

The Who actually had a really strong live period from 79-81 with Kenney Jones, who most people refused to accept at all.

[The Door Mouse]

Uhh tough question. My prediction is that if Zep went on with a new drummer they wouldn't be as good. And The Who did get a new drummer and bassist and they are about as good as before. So I think they both made the right desicion.

[YDload]

the who is nothing without the ox :mad:

[PinkFreud]

This is truth. But they were still The Who without Moon. Zeppelin was just a good guitarist, a vocalist past his prime, and a bassist who did close to nothing in their later years. Daltrey's preserved his voice fantastically and Townshend's actually improved as a guitarist, in my opinion. Entwistle kept getting better up until the day he died.

[Grumma]

Led Zeppelin seem more concerned about how much money is in their wallets than their music tbh

[The Door Mouse]

a bassist who did close to nothing in their later years.

What? I must dissagree. John Paul did some great keyboard work in the later years. As a bassist yes it is true but as a musician you are sadly mistaken'

[PinkFreud]

The keyboard work is what RUINED their later years.

[Lunch]

Yea but to say he did nothing is false, considering In Through the Out Door was composed mostly by JPJ.

[PinkFreud]

But...but ITTOD is awful!

I was mostly talking about his bass work in my post though. I'll concede he did more than I give him credit for.

[Lunch]

Regardless of how good the work was, it was work that he put in.

But yea, his bass playing definitely didn't have the impact in the later years as it did on Zeppelin I and II, but it's hard to live up to albums like those.

[LieD]

i read a book written by Richard Cole i think his name is.. i read it ages ago. he was best mates with Page and toured with Zep since they began. I think the band made a pact that if they ever did split, they were done for good. Led Zeppelin was only ever going to be Led Zeppelin with the 4 original members. that's what i remember.

[Seafroggys]

The Who are just that much better than Zeppelin.

[JohnXDoe]

Without going into the relative merits of each drummer and how important they were to the band, it really was just Zep's time to bow out. Fans had become to expect the same 'ol crap from them as evidenced by the generally negative reaction to ITTOD (a pretty good album, mind you) and Jimmy who had always been less onstage then in the studio during Zep's middle period was now fading in the studio as well. And struggling to make it work onstage. Zep was stuck in its own legend, best to say goodbye.

The Who on the other hand had a singular songwriter in Townshend who was peaking at the time, (see Pete solo albums) and were an awesome live band even without Moon. Lunch is right when he said the '79 to '81 Who were a great band onstage, just as explosive, vital, and thunderous, if a bit more measured. And live is where The Who lived and breathed. Zep was more studio band, or had become that, at least, and couldn't touch The Who live with a ten foot pole. Which takes nothing away from Zep. Its just most rock bands couldn't.

Also The Who were a much different band then Zep. Zep got on with the heavy blues thing and later on with the hard rock/mythic stuff they became heavily known for. Trolls and Lord Of The Rings stuff. The Who had a big and diverse history of making rock, pop, soul (Maximum R&B, represent) rock "operas", mini operas, hard rock, and really, really good songs. If "I Can't Explain" isn't the worlds first Pop-Punk song I don't know what is. And Townshend had plenty more where that came from.

The Who is just a band that doesn't know quit. And that has been a good thing. They have toured with a dozen other musicians with Townshend on acoustic guitar and still been "The Who", they came back in 1999 with Zak Starkey on drums and turned out some wonderful performances. And they lost John, continued, and still kicked arse. Zeppelin became this precious, "rock god" thing to many people. The Who is about raw aggression, violence, physical force put into sound, and searching for something. The Who had a purpose Zep never had and it drove Pete all the way. Still does, and that just never stopped.

In the end (now) Daltrey can't do it like he used to, Pete is embacing great artistic and romantic ideas and endeavors, and John and Kieth are gone. The Who are not the same band they were even back in 2004. At this point time and age takes a toll. But they put out a new album, it sounds like an older, closing Who, and they are touring. Daltrey is the brave one here, as all he has given has left his voice shot. But its not about the singing in The Who, its about the scream, the shout, and the windmill. So its all good.

The Who are timeless and beautiful. Thier reach and influence reached far beyond Zep's, still does, and always will. From "classic" rock bands to punk, grunge, and even to todays bands you can hear The Who in everything. They are invited to play festivals with young indie/alt bands as the only "old" band on the bill, their influence is well known and they are much respected. When the punk movement came around in mid seventies England Pete ran into a couple of Sex Pistols in a pub and they got to talking. The Pistols were like "its the end of the old guard. its all rubbish and boring. piss on those old geezers" And Pete was like "you are right. Its all over! We are has beens. Its the end of it all. The Who are dead. Rock is dead. You guys and this new stuff is where its at". And they said quite sincerely "oh but no. The Who aren't going to break up, are they? That would be bollocks, we love The Who". And the drunken Pete, shocked and dismayed by their comments, began to curse, wail, tore up a million dollar check he had in his coat pocket, ran ranting out the door, passed out in a doorway, and wrote Who Are You about the whole incident. Life into art. That has always been the way of The Who and it still is. You don't stop because you lose a drummer. It was never that precious and some things are more important. Like just getting on with it. And thats 100% Who.


EDIT: Plus in the end it wasn't Moon who drove The Who onstage but Pete and his guitar and Entwistle with his wonderful bass work. But mostly Pete. Still is....oh and what 'seafoggys said. :p

[Jude]

This is truth. But they were still The Who without Moon. Zeppelin was just a good guitarist, a vocalist past his prime, and a bassist who did close to nothing in their later years.

Uh, except play the keys and write a lot of the music of one of the better albums.

Edit: whoa, nice essay JXD

[PinkFreud]

Not one of the better albums. Lunch and I discussed this already though.

[Lunch]

I must spread reputation around before giving it to JXD again :(

That was one of the better posts on MX.

"You've gotta go on man"

[Jude]

Not one of the better albums. Lunch and I discussed this already though.

It's better than Presence (repetetive), II (overall just bad album) and arguably I and Houses of the Holy.

[Lunch]

ITTOD better than Led Zeppelin II?

False.

[PinkFreud]

I and II are the best they had. I don't think anyone denies that Presence is their worst album. Physical Graffitti's bloated and way inconsistent. Houses of the Holy sounds like throwaway tracks from their career (D'yer Mak'er? Ugh), and III's boring, in my opinion. IV's got about half of a good album on it.

[Lunch]

I>II>PG>III>IV>Presence>HotH>ITTOD

[Seafroggys]

II is awesome.

But Tommy, Leeds, Next, Quad, Who are You, and Wire kick its ***.

[PinkFreud]

Who Are You? Really, you want to include that one? Not The Who By Numbers or The Who Sell Out?

[Lunch]

Leeds>Tommy>Sellout>Quad>A Quick One>Who's Next>Who by Numbers>My Generation>Who Are You>Face Dances>Wire>It's Hard

[Jude]

ITTOD better than Led Zeppelin II?

False.
No, true. I just listened to II for the first time in maybe a year yesterday and I was shocked at how awful it is, at least compared to other Zep albums. Especially the Heartbreaker solo...how is that famous?

I is a pretty solid album especially when you consider it's a debut. The only really fantastic songs are Communication Breakdown and How Many more times, and some of Dazed and Confused I guess. III is great. IV is great although it drags on a bit between Misty Mountain Hop and When the Levee breaks. HOTH has some of their lamest songs (The Crunge and Dancing Days, mostly...D'Yer Maker is pretty fun) but also some of their very best - TSRTS, OTHAFA and No Quarter. Physical Graffiti is excellent, the only weaker points being Wanton Song and those two ones after it. Presence is good but repetetive and the 5 middle songs are just like the same song over and over. ITTOD is sweet and doesn't really have any bad songs.

[PinkFreud]

All your opinion, of course.

But it's wrong. I has Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You, You Shook Me, Good Times, Bad Times, and I Can't Quit You Baby. I think Communication Breakdown's a pretty bad song. II has the Lemon Song, What Is and What Should Never Be, Ramble On, Bring It On Home, and Living Loving Maid. Thank You, Moby Dick, and Heartbreaker are the only weak spots. III is boring as a whole and the Immigrant Song is maybe the most obnoxious song they ever wrote. Black Dog, The Battle of Evermore, Misty Mountain Hop, Four Sticks, and Going To California are pretty bad. And When The Levee breaks is way too long for how boring it is. I'm actually having a hard time looking at Physical Graffiti and trying to find a track that's actually GOOD. Same with Houses of the Holy. Presence has Achilles' Last Stand which is great. That's it for that. ITTOD has...Bonham's hybrid Rosanna drum beat on Fool In The Rain which ALMOST makes that song tolerable but falls short. So nothing on that either.

[Jude]

I'm actually having a hard time looking at Physical Graffiti and trying to find a track that's actually GOOD.


WHAT

Do you even like Led Zeppelin

Like all their best songs are on the first disc.

That's it for that. ITTOD has...Bonham's hybrid Rosanna drum beat on Fool In The Rain which ALMOST makes that song tolerable but falls short. So nothing on that either.
ITTOD is amazing. And it's so much more daring than anything else they ever did.

Probably why JPJ's solo work kicks the crap out of the rest of the band's.

[PinkFreud]

Zooma's the only solo album I have from JPJ. Kinda boring. But Plant's solo career is terrible and Page's isn't any better.

Yeah, I like Led Zeppelin. A lot less than I used to, but I do. And even at the height of my obssession, PG/HotH/III/IV never appealed too much to me.

BBC Sessions is the best thing they ever put out.

[Jude]

Those albums that "never appealed to you" are pretty much their finest works :confused:

Haven't heard BBC sessions but if it's anything like the rest of their live stuff I have no interest in it...

[PinkFreud]

Really it's just opinion. I and II are the best to me. They got TOO ambitious and tried too many genres and it just didn't sound good to me.

Plus, Plant's voice gets really obnoxious after II and maybe III.

[TojesDolan]

Bonham was the guy that kept the demons in the band and the fans following them. After he died the f‪uckers couldn't stand that bitch Jimmy Page and his big hair and just left the band.

[YDload]

glad to be getting some good answers here :)

[Seafroggys]

Who Are You? Really, you want to include that one? Not The Who By Numbers or The Who Sell Out?

Never heard those albums yet :p Hell, I haven't heard Leeds yet in its entireity, but I'm putting it on just because of how awesome Sparks and HaH is.

[Thunder Fingers]

IMO, they both did the right thing, im not that much into Zep though..

The Who should have uited when Entwistle died, Becouse, IMO, he and Pete was The Who..

[JohnXDoe]

"You've gotta go on man"
thats right! thats the exact quote i think...what the Pistols (Cook and Jones in this case) told pete that set him off. after having a long conversation with them about music and rock and he telling them The Who were washed up and it was time for the new to take down the old, etc...one of them said "you've gotta go on, man". which is the last thing pete wanted at the time, not really knowing what he wanted, as usual. its just so funny if you're a Who fan because you can imagine pete being drunk and heavy about things, thinking he's on the level as these young punks (and in a lot of ways he was) and perhaps thinking The Who could bow out and pass the torch, relieving his heavy heart of the responsibility of holding up The Who and then they say "You've got to go on, man". last thing he wanted to hear, most likely. what an lol i'd of given anything to be witness to his ensuing rant, thats for sure. good 'ol pete, he just couldn't win back then...
IMO, they both did the right thing, im not that much into Zep though..

The Who should have uited when Entwistle died, Becouse, IMO, he and Pete was The Who..
i don't quite agree i think they did some good shows in 2002 and again in 2004 although i must admit i was surprised they continued without him. but on the other hand the running joke (but there is truth in it) is that when The Who did the "big band" '89 tour and came back together in 1999 as a four piece (along with Bundrick, of course) part of the motivation was John, who always needed money because he spent it as fast as he made it. in fact i've seen video interviews where they say as much. "john is broke, gotta tour". and when they continued without him in 2002 they asked his closest family if it was ok and given the blessing toured and gave what would have been john's portion to his estate. in 2004 they played some gigs here and there (make up gigs in America for what they had to cancel after john's death), and now finally the final bow.

that said it is true they lost something onstage without john. pino is great, but great does not take the place of masterful. when i saw The Who in 2002 and again in 2004 however, they were The Who. John's thunder was missed, sure, but Pete played the crap out of his guitar and Roger still sounded like Roger, Pino, Zak, and Simon doing great with the rest. i felt like i was seeing The Who. and hearing them as well.

this final time around things are different. its more "the pete and roger show". pete is as likely to sound comfortable playing as he is to sound urgent, Roger's voice is indeed gone, for all intent and purposes, his mic swinging taken from him almost completely because he wore out his shoulder and needed surgery from all the years of doing it, and the rest of the group sounds like a backing band somewhat. and for the first time ever i read of The Who having "off nights" or "average performances". which is fine, but part of me wishes they hadn't done it, another part of me admirers them that much more for having the guts to do it. and Endless Wire is pretty good, too. so god bless 'em. they were to come back to America after a swing through Europe for an eastern swing and some assorted dates and surprises, but Pete says that is not going to happen now. Rogers health has been in question lately and The Who performed what might be their last American gig ever recently in Hollywood, Florida. and i guess thats it. i'll miss 'em, but i still have Quad on vinyl. Tommy, By Numbers, Face Dances, Who's Next, Leeds, Its Hard, Face Dances, Who Are You, and The Kids Are Alright, as well. oh, and Sings My Generation, too. so, that'll have to do and i'll always be able to remember them as they once were. good enough.

[Thunder Fingers]

I saw heard pete say that now he had to do alle the little "bloppitydrrooll" to john, becuse now he would do a big "Chaching!" and then there would be nothing there!

yeah, i saw that on the Entwistle DVD. "I sold 50 basses to get by, and then we went on tour and i bought 75 new"

[Deth]

I saw The Who last night, and by God, it WAS The Who. All the energy and passion that they had is still there. They love what they're doing and I applaud them for continuing.

I've never been a big Zep fan so I dunno what to say about them except that Bonham is awesome.

[Danger Bird]

Love The Who, Zep was boring. The Who's latest tour sucked though, the Who without Moon just sounded neutered.

[Seafroggys]

Love The Who, Zep was boring. The Who's latest tour sucked though, the Who without Moon just sounded neutered.

lol, I love it when people say that. Do you realize how many tours they've gone on SINCE Moon died? Quite a few. At least two in the Jones era, the Tommy reunion, the Quad reunion, and the 2000, 2002, and 2004 (?) tours.

[Mister Groovy]

That's pretty impressive I guess. All power to old men that still want to rock out.

Now just as long as Zeppelin doesn't try to pull off a reunion tour, I'm happy.

[Lunch]

Love The Who, Zep was boring. The Who's latest tour sucked though, the Who without Moon* just sounded neutered.

*Entwistle.

Accept it or not, they could still play without Moon.

[Someweirdsin]

Indeed. John was the heart of the band.

[Futuro]

You know who does a really good "Bonham". Mike portnoy. If zeppelin ever did a reunion they should definetly get him.

[sonictheplumber]

Not many Zep fans here I guess.

I respect The Who, but I don't know much about them and I haven't much of their stuff. Pinball Wizard's an awesome song, but Who Are You is annoying.

I'm glad Zep broke up. By the time 1980 rolled around, they just weren't that great anymore. Just imagine Zeppelin in the late 80's. That wouldn't work. They probably would've been putting out crappy pop/glam rock records.

[Lunch]

You should probably listen to Live at Leeds.

[YDload]

You know who does a really good "Bonham". Mike portnoy. If zeppelin ever did a reunion they should definetly get him.

hahahahaha yeah right.

[Futuro]

hahahahaha yeah right.

um I wasnt kidding. You have heard his tribute band right? He does bonham perfect.

[YDload]

mike portnoy sucks. he's a good frontman but a boring drummer.

[JohnXDoe]

*Entwistle.

Accept it or not, they could still play without Moon.
very true. in the end, however good a drummer is, a drummer is still just a drummer. at least in bands who actually play songs.

[Futuro]

mike portnoy sucks. he's a good frontman but a boring drummer. I dont really see where you are going with this. Him being a "good frontman and boring drummer" has no relavance to the fact he can sound exactly like bonham.

[clairvoyant]

mike portnoy sucks. he's a good frontman but a boring drummer.

Hes not a frontman. Just cause he talks doesn't make him a frontman.

[Mister Groovy]

I'm glad Zep broke up. By the time 1980 rolled around, they just weren't that great anymore. Just imagine Zeppelin in the late 80's. That wouldn't work. They probably would've been putting out crappy pop/glam rock records.

OK the second part is probably true but the first is totally false, ITTOD is one of their better albums

/cue argument with people who prefer repetetive blues-rock over creativity

[Someweirdsin]

It wasn't creativity. It was misguided ambition.

[Mister Groovy]

It was a kickass album that was a lot better than that repetetive "Presence" thing

[Someweirdsin]

But...Presence was awful too. So it's not really difficult to be better than that.

[Mister Groovy]

Well ITTOD was also notably better than II, somewhat better than I and HOTH, and marginally better than IV even.

But I've already had this argument ITT.

[Someweirdsin]

I and II are their best and i thinkn your opinion is massively skewed.

So have I but I never tire of it.

[YDload]

Achilles Last Stand is their best song, so even if the rest of Presence sucks i cant call it completely awful

[Mister Groovy]

Ugh, II. What a POS record. I is good though, but ITTOD is better.

YDLoad: Yeah, that's my thoughts on Presence...although actually, I don't think it's a bad album at all. Just 1) not up to the standard of the rest of their stuff (except its better than II) and 2) repetetive. There's a lot of really really good songs on it, they just all sound the same.

[Someweirdsin]

You're a POS.

[Mister Groovy]

I seriously don't understand how people can listen to crap like the wank section in Whole Lotta Love and that Godawful Heartbreaker solo and justify calling II a great album. Sure, Lemon Song is great, Bring it on Home is catchy, Ramble On has some cool bass, but Moby Dick? Gtfo

[The Door Mouse]

Achilles Last Stand is their best song, so even if the rest of Presence sucks i cant call it completely awful

Agree but the rest of presence isn't awful just extremely mediocre.

[Someweirdsin]

Heartbreaker's one of the worst songs on it.

You gtfo. Who are YOU?

[Lunch]

LZ II is so far ahead of ITTOD I can't really even comprehend it. It's not fair.

[Det_Nosnip]

Umm....

LZ II is a classic. You guys are smoking crack.

[Someweirdsin]

Exactly!

[Lunch]

Umm....

LZ II is a classic. You guys are smoking crack.

I hope by you guys you meant just one guy.

[Jude]

Heartbreaker's one of the worst songs on it.

You gtfo. Who are YOU?

Jude. Ban's finally lifted.

I don't really care if II is a classic, I can't listen to it, it's just bad. Presence might be repetetive but I'll take it any day.

And what the hell does everyone hate about ITTOD? Sure Jimmy doesn't wank as much on it. As far as I can tell people just hate it cause it's so different. Carouselambra is every bit as good a song as Achilles.

[Someweirdsin]

Oh. Then I won't pursue this further because I'm Pinkfreud and we've already had this conversation.

[Jude]

:lol: Good call.

[Theastronomer]

Without going into the relative merits of each drummer and how important they were to the band, it really was just Zep's time to bow out. Fans had become to expect the same 'ol crap from them as evidenced by the generally negative reaction to ITTOD (a pretty good album, mind you) and Jimmy who had always been less onstage then in the studio during Zep's middle period was now fading in the studio as well. And struggling to make it work onstage. Zep was stuck in its own legend, best to say goodbye.

The Who on the other hand had a singular songwriter in Townshend who was peaking at the time, (see Pete solo albums) and were an awesome live band even without Moon. Lunch is right when he said the '79 to '81 Who were a great band onstage, just as explosive, vital, and thunderous, if a bit more measured. And live is where The Who lived and breathed. Zep was more studio band, or had become that, at least, and couldn't touch The Who live with a ten foot pole. Which takes nothing away from Zep. Its just most rock bands couldn't.

Also The Who were a much different band then Zep. Zep got on with the heavy blues thing and later on with the hard rock/mythic stuff they became heavily known for. Trolls and Lord Of The Rings stuff. The Who had a big and diverse history of making rock, pop, soul (Maximum R&B, represent) rock "operas", mini operas, hard rock, and really, really good songs. If "I Can't Explain" isn't the worlds first Pop-Punk song I don't know what is. And Townshend had plenty more where that came from.

The Who is just a band that doesn't know quit. And that has been a good thing. They have toured with a dozen other musicians with Townshend on acoustic guitar and still been "The Who", they came back in 1999 with Zak Starkey on drums and turned out some wonderful performances. And they lost John, continued, and still kicked arse. Zeppelin became this precious, "rock god" thing to many people. The Who is about raw aggression, violence, physical force put into sound, and searching for something. The Who had a purpose Zep never had and it drove Pete all the way. Still does, and that just never stopped.

In the end (now) Daltrey can't do it like he used to, Pete is embacing great artistic and romantic ideas and endeavors, and John and Kieth are gone. The Who are not the same band they were even back in 2004. At this point time and age takes a toll. But they put out a new album, it sounds like an older, closing Who, and they are touring. Daltrey is the brave one here, as all he has given has left his voice shot. But its not about the singing in The Who, its about the scream, the shout, and the windmill. So its all good.

The Who are timeless and beautiful. Thier reach and influence reached far beyond Zep's, still does, and always will. From "classic" rock bands to punk, grunge, and even to todays bands you can hear The Who in everything. They are invited to play festivals with young indie/alt bands as the only "old" band on the bill, their influence is well known and they are much respected. When the punk movement came around in mid seventies England Pete ran into a couple of Sex Pistols in a pub and they got to talking. The Pistols were like "its the end of the old guard. its all rubbish and boring. piss on those old geezers" And Pete was like "you are right. Its all over! We are has beens. Its the end of it all. The Who are dead. Rock is dead. You guys and this new stuff is where its at". And they said quite sincerely "oh but no. The Who aren't going to break up, are they? That would be bollocks, we love The Who". And the drunken Pete, shocked and dismayed by their comments, began to curse, wail, tore up a million dollar check he had in his coat pocket, ran ranting out the door, passed out in a doorway, and wrote Who Are You about the whole incident. Life into art. That has always been the way of The Who and it still is. You don't stop because you lose a drummer. It was never that precious and some things are more important. Like just getting on with it. And thats 100% Who.


EDIT: Plus in the end it wasn't Moon who drove The Who onstage but Pete and his guitar and Entwistle with his wonderful bass work. But mostly Pete. Still is....oh and what 'seafoggys said. :p


Please...Please do not try and tell me that the Who have had far greater influence than Led Zeppelin. They have not, will not, no matter where you or anyone seem to hear it. I am a long time subscriber to many guitar magazines and have read myself the many, many bands that have cited Zeppelin as an influence, I have not heard of one so far claiming the Who has done so for them. Don't get me wrong. the Who are a great band, their rock operas, songs are amazing, their songs, great, but if wasn't for Led Zeppelin, the heavy metal genre itself along with some amazing bands might not even exist. How many have you heard a Who cover recently? No one?Every artist and their dog (bands like Metallica no less, etc.) has tried to cover Stairway to Heaven..and all you can say its overplayed, cliche, etc., but the fact remains. It is THE definitive classic rock song from the defintive classic rock band, and if that doesn't say influence I don't know what does. Continuing after Bonham died would have been like building a table and cutting off a leg, it just doesn't work and it doesn't make a whole lotta sense without all 4 extremely talented individuals. All that the Who seem to be.. is one talented guitarist, surrounded by some other guys that aren't as good, and therefore, easy to replace.

And if there are any other Zeppelin fans looking at this, please speak up, there are way too many haters 'round here.

PS.The Who more diverse? Please. Have you ever even listened to Zeppelin?? They've done so much different stuff it's not even funny. I would go into the diversity of their work, but i simply don't have the time, it's too large.

[Lunch]

All that the Who seem to be.. is one talented guitarist, surrounded by some other guys that aren't as good, and therefore, easy to replace.

This is the new least intelligent thing I've ever heard.

[PinkFreud]

Honestly. Pete was the weakest link in the band anyway, from a technical standpoint.

Great that you get a lot of guitar magazines though. We all know that that's the only instrument that matters.

[heavy metal kid]

Please...Please do not try and tell me that the Who have had far greater influence than Led Zeppelin. They have not, will not, no matter where you or anyone seem to hear it. I am a long time subscriber to many guitar magazines and have read myself the many, many bands that have cited Zeppelin as an influence, I have not heard of one so far claiming the Who has done so for them.

So, you haven't heard Cliff Burton, Dream Theater, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Marillion, Queen, Queensryche, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Entombed, Mastodon, Oasis, The Clash, Alice Cooper, Cheap Trick, Black Sabbath.

Basically you haven't heard the whole prog rock/metal scene or read about how The Who is influential to his existence.

Don't get me wrong. the Who are a great band, their rock operas, songs are amazing, their songs, great, but if wasn't for Led Zeppelin, the heavy metal genre itself along with some amazing bands might not even exist..

Because Zeppelin is the only root of heavy metal:rolleyes:

Sabbath, Deep Purple, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, Blue Cheer and many other bands made posible the creation of Heavy Metal.

Besides, heavy metal also has roots on classical music and jazz.


How many have you heard a Who cover recently? No one?Every artist and their dog (bands like Metallica no less, etc.) has tried to cover Stairway to Heaven..and all you can say its overplayed, cliche, etc., but the fact remains. It is THE definitive classic rock song from the defintive classic rock band, and if that doesn't say influence I don't know what does .


Well, My Generation has been covered by a lot of bands, even pop singers have covered The Who; hell, they go beyond music, they influenced a whole generation...That's why the appeared on The Simpsons.

Continuing after Bonham died would have been like building a table and cutting off a leg, it just doesn't work and it doesn't make a whole lotta sense without all 4 extremely talented individuals .
All that the Who seem to be.. is one talented guitarist, surrounded by some other guys that aren't as good, and therefore, easy to replace.

Well, so you already know how good Peter Townshend is, good...to bad he was the weakest piece of the band.

Roger Daltrey is one of the most original singers of all time, maybe not a good vocalist, but the man has an excellent stage presence.

John Entwistle...well let's say he reinvented bass playing in Rock and Roll. Bass Virtuosos like Billy Sheehan Les Claypool, John Myung, Chris Squire and Geddy Lee cite him as a main influence.

Keith Moon, he was great...just listen Live at Leeds

[TheBigMachine]

mike portnoy sucks. he's a good frontman but a boring drummer.

Dude. C'mon, to say Portnoy isn't a good drummer is simply ignorant. He's not the best, and definatley over-hyped, but say he sucks is simply stupid.

[YDload]

Dude. C'mon, to say Portnoy isn't a good drummer is simply ignorant. He's not the best, and definatley over-hyped, but say he sucks is simply stupid.

stupid drummers call for stupid statements :evil:

[Theastronomer]

To those of you critizing my last post... it's about damned time. This thread was getting ridiculous, I needed to do something, even if it was bashing a band I did not want to bash and faking a strong opinion just to bring out some valid arguements. I for one do not have strong feelings either way, The Who and Led Zeppelin are both amazing bands that Rock and Roll are extremely fortunate to have. What you read are the musings of my 14 year old brother, who is as yet uneducated in rock and roll as all he seems to have heard as of yet are Led Zeppelin and AC/DC. Believe me or not as you will but forgive my brother..he will learn.

[StrawberryFieldsForever]

I saw The Who last year, and it was bloody amazing. I felt like I was transpoted back to the 70's, and Baba O'Riley literally made me cry, it was one of the definitive music moments in my life (honestly, who all has heard that song live? It's not even close to my favorite who song, but it was the highlight of the night for sure).

I think the only reason Zep is remembered more and viewed as "rock gods" more is because they quit while they were ahead.

Both bands did great things for music, and ANYONE who disagrees with that is should be shot on sight. They may not like one of the bands (there seems to be a lot of Zep haters here), but that doesn't change the fact that they were influential. I don't like Metallica, but that doesn't make them any less important to music, does it?

What happened has happened, and we can't change it, no use in arguing about the past when the outcome works...Zep are rock icons and The Who are a well respected and still surving amazing live act.

And who was that dude who said that the rest of the members of The Who weren't talented? John could play circles around you, so go **** yourself.

[Theastronomer]

I saw The Who last year, and it was bloody amazing. I felt like I was transpoted back to the 70's, and Baba O'Riley literally made me cry, it was one of the definitive music moments in my life (honestly, who all has heard that song live? It's not even close to my favorite who song, but it was the highlight of the night for sure).

I think the only reason Zep is remembered more and viewed as "rock gods" more is because they quit while they were ahead.

Both bands did great things for music, and ANYONE who disagrees with that is should be shot on sight. They may not like one of the bands (there seems to be a lot of Zep haters here), but that doesn't change the fact that they were influential. I don't like Metallica, but that doesn't make them any less important to music, does it?

What happened has happened, and we can't change it, no use in arguing about the past when the outcome works...Zep are rock icons and The Who are a well respected and still surving amazing live act.

And who was that dude who said that the rest of the members of The Who weren't talented? John could play circles around you, so go **** yourself.

Lol yes there are do seem to be some Zep haters floatin' around hey?
Aside from that though i agree with you completely, thank you for posting.

and by the way, the idiot that called the rest of The Who untalented was me and if you read the one above you'll see why. (for further clarification I most definitely DO NOT think the rest of The Who are untalented, i merely did it to get some intelligent thoughts in there.)

[StrawberryFieldsForever]

Lol yes there are do seem to be some Zep haters floatin' around hey?
Aside from that though i agree with you completely, thank you for posting.

and by the way, the idiot that called the rest of The Who untalented was me and if you read the one above you'll see why. (for further clarification I most definitely DO NOT think the rest of The Who are untalented, i merely did it to get some intelligent thoughts in there.)

Ahh I see...

Sorry dude

[Theastronomer]

Ahh I see...

Sorry dude

Meh..Don't worry about it.:thumb: