Rudiment of the month

[some jive turkey]

I've been trying to think of ways to improve the D&P forum.
What would you guys think of a "rudiment of the month" thread?

i was thinking it would be a cool way to have some dialogue about different ways to use, play,apply, and think about rudiments.


Obviously, it would start each month with an explanation of what it is, how to play it, etc...etc.......maybe some historical knowledge about the rudiment if available......hybrids etc...etc...different ways to play it and apply it.

This wouldn't be to discourage any additional or random discussion about rudiments, but rather to seek out some type of evolution by the end of four weeks time. My thoughts are that after we would be collectively talking about it and playing it, and be thinking about it all month long, which would provide time to focus on, absorb, generate, develop, and then contribute ideas in that time period.

I suppose the first poster of the month(according to date & time) would get to deterimine what the rudiment is each month, as long as it hasn't been done in, let's say 12 months.

Although, I don't know which subforum to put it(advanced or the main?) -please feel free to suggest where.

What do you guys think?
If you like the idea , maybe we could get it up in time for April.
Discuss, ....let me know what you think, and most importantly please vote up at the top^: yeah or neigh

[Seafroggys]

Yay.

And I vote we do Flam Accents.

[Ellx]

A very good idea, it gets my vote. But I think 1 month could be too long a time, depending on how deep you're wanting to go into the rudiment. Where do you think we should start?

[some jive turkey]

poll added
please vote up there

feel free to laugh at me because I misspelled "idiocy" (it was a typo,, i swear) :)


Edit,...yes a month is a while, but that is the point....to spend an extended ammount of time thinking about it and developing some ideas rather than just skimming over it.

[The Ska Man]

Oi! Sounds like a great idea, propage, man!

[Pauly]

Good idea!

I also liked the idea of the monthly debate that Damo put up in January. Although the first debate was more of a discussion, I still thought it had a lot of potential.

[Inkstar]

Yep, great idea. And this is good because we can use really simple rudiments, but as you said, over the course of 4 weeks, evolove them into really neat tricks and have some great ways to spread them round the kit.

[some jive turkey]

^
exactly

This kind of extends from something I do in my own personal practice routine (rudiment of the month)....but I thought it would be cooler to develop collectively as a group on the forum

[Ellx]

sounds good then :0

And I vote we do Flam Accents.

seconded I guess

[440561]

One month may be a long time-but if you work on one rudiment for a whole month, maybe just 5 mins a day, you're going to get good at it... I say yeah, great idea, start it next month and I'll try spend a little time each day learning it and getting up to a decent speed :D

[fishbulb]

Edit,...yes a month is a while, but that is the point....to spend an extended ammount of time thinking about it and developing some ideas rather than just skimming over it.

Perhaps, but what usually happens is that people stop posting instead of thinking about it longer than 5 seconds.

Yes this is a great idea, not sure how well it will work out no matter how good it sounds now.

Plus, any discussion on technique rather than equipment is GOOD! Very, very good. Much better than the latter.

[Ellx]

yeah, I agree with Fishbulb. I really don't see how we could discuss a rudiment over 1 month, the discussion would really die, unless people purposely keep it active by posting hybrids of it, applications and other things.

[Inkstar]

Perhaps make it weekly? Or fortnightly?

[some jive turkey]

...unless people purposely keep it active by posting hybrids of it, applications and other things.

That is exactly the point. It's about challenging the mind to come up with new stuff, and then haveing some time to actually work it out.

If the thread is stickied then the ideas will stay up there as a reference to work on for that month.
See, this way it won't drop off the board if it's not a day to day hot topic.

[440561]

Fortnightly is good. But reveryone should try and practice the certain rudiment for that month/fortnight. I would worry about dicussing it too much unless you're an advanced, I just want motivation to learn a rudiment. If you did it for a month everyone could update a thread with how fast (but still clean) they can play the rudiment, maybe upload vids or something.

edit: A week would probable be enough actually. Then in a year you should be able to play every one of the 40...

[Tillmon]

sounds like a lame idea.

[DrummingBen]

Fortnightly is good i think. Long enough to expand and improve on it, and stick it on the kit. A week is not really long enough to do a in depth discussion.


And I also want to vote for a reinstatement of the monthly drum debate.

[Retarded Chipple]

Just keep it as a month. We don't know how the discussion(s) will go so we can't determine how long the thread(s) will last. We don't know how successful or unsuccessful it'll be til we tried. So make the thread then change the future ones accordingly....kinda like a experiment/trial/pilot thread!


My vote was YES btw :)

[GhostNote]

Great idea man! Major kudos, i say yes to this no doubt. Lookin forward to it :thumb:


-GN

[the_pure_drummer]

Sounds like an awosme idea to get everyone up to scratch on the essential 40!

Got my vote!

[some jive turkey]

Fortnightly is good i think. Long enough to expand and improve on it,

I'm still leaning towards a full month, even if the discussion dies down towards the end of the month. (less talk, more action:cool: )

Improvements in drumming don't happen overnight, and if you want to be a better musician, it's necessary to think about how to develop things over longer time frames.

[raz0r]

Yay.

And I vote we do Flam Accents.

flam accents are win.

[billdrum]

I've been talking about this for a while and have floated the idea to Damo. I was hoping to be modded first and then start, but why wait?

For each rudiment, it would be great to have people post audio and lessons about how it can be applied to drumset, and other situational playing. I'm all for it and will organize it if you like.


I also want to bring back member profiles/interviews, possibly a monthly recording challenge, and start an artist of the month feature.

[Flamacue]

<< :smoke:

[Retarded Chipple]

Haha, when I was on the main page and saw last post in this thread was by Flamacue I thought: "well he'd be up for it, his name is a freakin rudiment!"

Then I click in here and he proves me right :)

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Genius idea.

[Undisco Kidd]

I nominate the 6 stroke roll for the official rudiment of the month.

[Hunted By a Freak]

Yeah, I believe this was Billdrum's idea, but a good one regardless

let's get it goin'!

[Stickman Sam]

I nominate the 6 stroke roll for the official rudiment of the month.

Now that's what I'm talkin about. :chug:

~~

[some jive turkey]

Yeah, I believe this was Billdrum's idea, but a good one regardless


Hmmm, weird,...I actually had no idea. I've only recently "returned" to the forum,....so to speak.

That's awesome though.

So far, it looks like people are interested.

Bill, I'm not exactly sure how to go about getting this stickied ....I was just going to start a new post with the first rudiment on April 1st, and then make a formal request that it be sticked with a link to this poll as evidence. If there's a better way, let me know. I'll be glad to do it, or turn it over to you to take care of. I'll be happy either way as long as there are some more educational and creative ideas being exchanged.

[Pearldrumguy]

I realized a few days ago while trying to clean up soul vaccination that it is mainly swiss triplets.

[Hunted By a Freak]

I was just going to start a new post with the first rudiment on April 1st, and then make a formal request that it be sticked with a link to this poll as evidence.

this :)

[some jive turkey]

^alright, I can do it that way

I think either Billdrum or I should get to pick the first month since it was "our" idea.:p

After that, it's fair game.:chug: First post of the month, according to the time listed, as long as it hasn't been done in say, twelve months (if this lasts that long)

(I'm apparently in a smiley mode.)

[MNdrummer21]

/signs

I think this is a good idea to expose everyone to some new phrasings of traditional rudiments, plus it's not a thread that will fizzle out in a short period of time.

[Hunted By a Freak]

^alright, I can do it that way

I think either Billdrum or I should get to pick the first month since it was "our" idea.:p

After that, it's fair game.:chug: First post of the month, according to the time listed, as long as it hasn't been done in say, twelve months (if this lasts that long)

(I'm apparently in a smiley mode.)

ok cool sounds good

[some jive turkey]

whoa,

I've received some major reppage.
Thanks people!

[moogoogaipan]

as probably mentioned already (I haven't read through).
A month per rudiment is too long. I go through about a rudiment every 3 days, and then cycle back around. 1 - 2 hours a night on the pad while watching TV.. various speeds and accent patterns... then once I've gone through all the standard and non-hybrid rudiments, I start over.

[iamjoe2]

a month is too long however it would take a long time to do each rudiment, so how bout..

we do SEVERAL rudements each month grouped together by type

for instance you wouldent group the single and double drag paradiddle seperatly, so together(you could also include dragadiddle)

swiss trip and flam accent
flam paradiddle and flam mill
double paradiddle and paradiddle diddle
flam tap and inverted flam tap

also you woldent do things like flams and ruffs as their incorperated into most of the other rudiments

any other thoughts?

[Josiah]

Do 1 a week. You'll be through the 40 and into some Hybrids in a years time.

To devote even 15 mins a day for a week on a given rudiment, all it's possible accent placements, and base note values would do wonders for most peoples chops.

[billdrum]

OK, here are some more of my thoughts on this:

1 rudiment per month will work because A) not everyone will see it right away, and B) I'd like to see audio/video posted by members pertaining to variations and extensions of each rudiments and applications to the drumset. It's not just about learning each rudiment. It's about giving us time to fully explore and share applications throughout the month.

It's OK if it dies down a little at the end of the month. That will just renew aniticipation for the new one at the beginning of the next month. Plus its hard enough for highly paid volunteers to keep up with something that will occur monthly, let alone weekly.

I'd also like to, as iamjoe suggested, do them in related groups. So when we do the paradiddle, we'll also do all the variations/inversions. We can also introduce cheese with each rudiment that has cheese applications, for example.

Just my thoughts.....I'm fully prepared to proceed April 1st.

Jive Turkey, I would be glad to collaborate with you on this and have your help and input. I'm sure Damo or Ebe would sticky it for us given the overwhelming results of the poll. Do have MSN messenger?


Edit: If we find that a month is NOT working out, we can always adapt and change it!

[Jezen]

I vote pataflafla.

[Little Android Man]

this sounds like a good idea, but i say keep it in the GD.

i vote swiss armies, because they are deh hax.

[Josiah]

I'd also like to, as iamjoe suggested, do them in related groups. So when we do the paradiddle, we'll also do all the variations/inversions. We can also introduce cheese with each rudiment that has cheese applications, for example.


Ahh that makes it a lil better

[fishbulb]

OK, here are some more of my thoughts on this:

1 rudiment per month will work because A) not everyone will see it right away, and B) I'd like to see audio/video posted by members pertaining to variations and extensions of each rudiments and applications to the drumset. It's not just about learning each rudiment. It's about giving us time to fully explore and share applications throughout the month.

It's OK if it dies down a little at the end of the month. That will just renew aniticipation for the new one at the beginning of the next month. Plus its hard enough for highly paid volunteers to keep up with something that will occur monthly, let alone weekly.

I'd also like to, as iamjoe suggested, do them in related groups. So when we do the paradiddle, we'll also do all the variations/inversions. We can also introduce cheese with each rudiment that has cheese applications, for example.

Just my thoughts.....I'm fully prepared to proceed April 1st.

Jive Turkey, I would be glad to collaborate with you on this and have your help and input. I'm sure Damo or Ebe would sticky it for us given the overwhelming results of the poll. Do have MSN messenger?


Edit: If we find that a month is NOT working out, we can always adapt and change it!

This man speaks the truth!

Grouping is a good idea since the paradiddle and double paradiddle are essentially the same thing. Same with the 5/7/9 and the rest of the stroke rolls are again, essentially the same thing.

I think starting basically from the beginning and moving through all 40 is the most logical, but i don't know how the grouping would work if we go in order.

Just some things to think about. And we have a week until April 1st just for a heads up.

[Seafroggys]

If we start on April 1, we might as well start with the double bass blast rudiment.

[Snarz]

why?^

[Jezen]

I think he was kidding, hence why he chose April Fools as the date.

[billdrum]

If everyone's on board with me and Jive Turkey organizing it, then plan on seeing something April 1st. Thanks for all your enthusiasm and input.

[Retarded Chipple]

I was born on April 1st :)


EDIT: That means its my birthday in a week???

[billdrum]

I think your parents are pulling one on you every year.

[Snarz]

Lol^

[fishbulb]

Haha. My dad's birthday is april 2nd.

[DethChamber999]

Lets do it! :thumb:

[Ethan.]

I voted it was stupid then I thought about it reading through the posts and it seems like a pretty word idea.
lol
word.

HEY! Billdrum - - Go be a mod.

[Win A Rabbit]

Haha. My dad's birthday is april 2nd.
My dad's is april 2nd, too.

[some jive turkey]

1 rudiment per month will work because A) not everyone will see it right away, and B) I'd like to see audio/video posted by members pertaining to variations and extensions of each rudiments and applications to the drumset. It's not just about learning each rudiment. It's about giving us time to fully explore and share applications throughout the month.

It's OK if it dies down a little at the end of the month. That will just renew aniticipation for the new one at the beginning of the next month. Plus its hard enough for highly paid volunteers to keep up with something that will occur monthly, let alone weekly.

I'd also like to, as iamjoe suggested, do them in related groups. So when we do the paradiddle, we'll also do all the variations/inversions. We can also introduce cheese with each rudiment that has cheese applications, for example.

Just my thoughts.....I'm fully prepared to proceed April 1st.

Jive Turkey, I would be glad to collaborate with you on this and have your help and input. I'm sure Damo or Ebe would sticky it for us given the overwhelming results of the poll. Do have MSN messenger?


Edit: If we find that a month is NOT working out, we can always adapt and change it!

I don't use any instant messangers. Do you have email?


I agree with every reason in your post. A month provides for some deeper discussion, and enables us to explore variations. If the thread gets boring towards the end of the month,perhaps we should consider it as a challenge to conceive of something new to do with the rudiment. Also, not everyone here, myself included, would be able to keep up with week at a time.

Billdrum, what do you think of the idea of "first post of the month?" rule for determining the rudiment each month? I thought it would be kind of fun for people to try to get it in, and perhaps it would create some enthusiasm. But maybe some stipulation is needed for that first post, such as "You have to include the rudiment+ 3 applications for it" (as well as be the first poster).

[billdrum]

rodeoshooter@hotmail.com

Can you download msn messenger or is that taboo on your computer?

[Josiah]

Oh btw I did rudiment of hte month/week, etc a looonog time ago. I dunno if the archives still go back that far, somebody might want to look em up

[Daven]

Sounds awesome, i'd post some audio for you to check out. Im just starting with rudiments so i suck.

[some jive turkey]

Can you download msn messenger or is that taboo on your computer?

ehh,....I'm just not a big fan of instant messaging. When I used to use ICQ 87,000 people would message me at once everytime I logged on to the net. I ended up hiding all the time, or then not ever using it anyway.

I guess some people use it now to send files around and stuff. I might be interested in it for that, but otherwise, for chatting or whatever,... its not really a way I prefer to communicate.

Plus, I'm on this forum mostly at work:evil:
I'll shoot you an email.

[Flamacue]

Here are some things I recorded quite a while back which you are free to make use of if you so wish. They consist of a paradiddle variation, paradiddle-diddle, double paradiddle, and doubles. A couple are groove applications on kit and the others are just where I set up a couple of toms and snare. :smoke:


First 2 are essentialy the same, only one has more twiddly bits in it to enhance it.
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/double%20paradiddle%20groove.mp3
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/double%20paradiddle.mp3


http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/Paradiddle%20variation.mp3
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/Paradiddle-diddle.mp3
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/Doubles%20pattern.mp3

[Hunted By a Freak]

Nice, Flamacue. :chug:

[Flamacue]

Nice, Flamacue. :chug:

Thank you :)

[some jive turkey]

patience guys! :)



hey, I think billdrum is going to put this up soon.
He and talked a little about it.
He has some more clear ideas for it, where as I'm just trying to get more drum related discussion going.

AND please, FFS don't put any pron in it. Some people can actuly get fired for that, if it's found on a computer. It has happened. Someplaces have a zero tolerance policy about that, in that they don't care if you goof on on the net all day and night, but for somereason if you're looking at pron, they'll fire you instantly. I once worked in an office where the boss was fired over something like that. Logical?, maybe not,....but that's the real world.

[fishbulb]

Yes, that is very logical but there is nothing we can do to stop people from posting porn in that thread.

Also, nice work flamacue, killer grooves.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Wow that is a very very good idea, the best I've heard in this forum for, well, a long time. Nice idea.

[wesm9787]

i voted we add this as a sticky. but i also vote that we make one big mamalgamous problem reporting/comments/questions/whatever thread like everyone else has said. instead of the 2 or 3 or whatever it is we have now. otherwise yes there would be way too many stickies... already are too many as it is.

[some jive turkey]

Here are some things I recorded quite a while back which you are free to make use of if you so wish. They consist of a paradiddle variation, paradiddle-diddle, double paradiddle, and doubles. A couple are groove applications on kit and the others are just where I set up a couple of toms and snare. :smoke:


First 2 are essentialy the same, only one has more twiddly bits in it to enhance it.
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/double%20paradiddle%20groove.mp3
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/double%20paradiddle.mp3


http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/Paradiddle%20variation.mp3
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/Paradiddle-diddle.mp3
http://freespace.virgin.net/roman.five/Doubles%20pattern.mp3


hey,you should re-post this in the ROTM thread since it's completely relevant and would add to the thread as a resource.