Modest Mouse vs. Jeezus

[punkemohardcorekid]

at the risk of starting a god argument . . .

i'm a bit curious. modest mouse has a bit of a reputation for knocking the concept of religion and spirituality, just god in general. i heard they do it good too, but i've yet to hear one solid statement to cut down religion to it's size according to brock. maybe i missed something. can anybody help out?

[The Frugal Gourmet]

'**** Christianity in its fat asshole'

- "Float On"

[Matt?]

rape

[punkemohardcorekid]

why that's not tactful at all. . . .

[Zmev]

And they're bankrupt on sellin'

[Eliminator]

GONNA DANCEHALL DANCEHALL EVERY DAY

[perriwinkle]

night on the sun is sweeeeeet

doom daa dow daa da-ee-a da da-ee-a da doom daa dow daa da-ee-a da da-ee-a da

why that's not tactful at all. . . .

thats because hes lying

read the lyrics to Bankrupt on Selling like Zmev suggested thats a good example

[punkemohardcorekid]

i see where you come from, but if u think about it, that's not really a knock on christianity.

i could be wrong, but i understood that as people are all pious and holy so they can think on the inside "goddamn i'm pious and holy" but really they're liars and fakes.

yeah, i see that as what seems to be a knock on religion. it just shows that everybody's human. everyones a ****-up and everyone's got their demons, including the people who try like hell to hide it or even the holiest apostle-like folk. kind of a cornerstone principal of religion in fact. . .

ya, i hear people say modest mouse lyrics really hit the spot on why religion's a bunch of bullshit fingerpointing from 2 thousand years ago, but i always miss out on that.

[AndreTheHyena]

"Wild Pack of Family Dogs" is without question an allegory for religious hypocrisy. And "Jesus Christ was an Only Child"? Do we really need to split hairs here?

[punkemohardcorekid]

that's fo sho. ya, read both of them lyrics, and i noticed that brock's got a theme going for hypocrisy in religion. what never fails to escape me is how that's a knock on religion. there's hypocrisy everywhere. you can find hypocrisy in a tennis match if you listened in on the conversations. there's hella hypocrisy in the music scene.

it started out as a sanctuary for everyone everywhere to get away from all the bad in the world, and now it's a country club, complete w/ a rulebook of things you have to do in order to be considered "worthy" of having a connection w/ a band.

i notice that there's a lot of referencing from old modest mouse. so you guys know them from way back when. i bet you anything, when there's the kid who talks about how awesome "float on" or "dashboard" is, there's something inside you that makes you just wanna kick the kids ***, when everybody's been on the outside wanting to get in with some situation. that's hypocrisy, but it's human. it's something everybody has, whether or not we wanna admit it.

so my point is, how's that a knock on religion? if we all have it, and religion's one of the few places that actually accepts it as being human, hence the "come as you are, not as you're supposed to be" thing they got going, so where's the rationality in that?

that's not like a "stand for jeeeesus!" kinda moment or anything hahah. i seriously think that there's something i'm missing here. help me out guys.

[Luxor]

If god takes life he's an indian giver.

[punkemohardcorekid]

indian giver was where they give something and take it back right? a staple principal in christianity is what follows this life, which nobody knows exactly, scientists or religous officials, is infinately better than what we experience on earth. the idea of death has always come across as this bad thing, cuz it's ****in scary going into something completely unknown. but according to christian beliefs, it's like getting the paycheck after a long week of work.

i'm not sure, but i think isaac brock is just hurling accusations at something he never took the time to inspect up close, just antagonizing using generalities, cuz none of the ammo that he attacks religion w/ is all too accurate. that's kind of a bummer, considering i respect the guy as much as i do.

[pixiesfanyo]

i'll go to college
yeah I'LL LEARN SOME BIG WORDS

[punkemohardcorekid]

how's that relate?

[asymm]

If something is supposed to affirm life and provide an adequate explanation for it - do you really want to accept hypocrisy within that? How fulfilling can that truly be?

The infallible shouldn't come with hypocrisy.

[Zmev]

how's that relate?

lol

[class]

k, modest mouse came to my city and i didn't find out til tickets were sold out...

I kinda dig modest mouse too...plus a good lookin girl wanted to go

[punkemohardcorekid]

If something is supposed to affirm life and provide an adequate explanation for it - do you really want to accept hypocrisy within that? How fulfilling can that truly be?

The infallible shouldn't come with hypocrisy.

hmm. interesting concept. i'm afraid as long as we're all humans, there's gonna be hypocrisy and flaws within anything we associate ourselves to. nobody may like it, i know i don't, but that's the way it goes regardless. it's not like religion is the flawed alternative or anything.

if you look at the scientific method, it's essentially a story. except it's been proven wrong over and over, and it gets changed everytime. science isn't bull or anything. we wouldn't be using computers if it were. i'm just saying, we may think we deserve something that's completely perfect in each and every way, but sadly, that sorta thing doesn't exist.

religion on it's own is infallible, it's just the way it's reflected through some of the people gives it a tainted image. funny thing is it's not even reflecting all the people. the bad just always spreads faster than the good. that's why there aren't as many good stereotypes as there are bad ones.

this is all in my humble opinion of course. i could be wrong, but that's just the way i sees it.

[Refl]

Isaac Brock would rape Jesus.

[lunchforthesky]

You really dont need Modest Mouse to know religion is stupid.

[punkemohardcorekid]

need a reason why bro.

[Boilermaker]

k, modest mouse came to my city and i didn't find out til tickets were sold out...

I kinda dig modest mouse too...plus a good lookin girl wanted to go

INDIE FEMALE FRIENDS!

[lunchforthesky]

need a reason why bro.

Haha where to start on why its retarded to think that some 2000 year old book knows the answer to everything in the universe, something even modern scientists dont know.

Read the lyrics to 3rd Planet they're quite anti-religious in parts.

[punkemohardcorekid]

haha ya, i see where yer comin from. it seems a bit irrational to use a book from thousands of years ago to deal with issues today.

then again, the reason that say the beatles still affect the kids today, or novels from 2 hundred to 1000 years ago still relate, is cuz we haven't really changed all too much. we advance in many ways, but we never really progress. we're still burdened by the same things as we were 2000 or 3000 years ago.

as far as it having all the answers, wrap yer mind around this: :p

when it comes down to it. we don't know how everything came about. none of us were there for the big bang. lets take the rational route on this one. where could the big bang come from? what could've caused it? once you know that, where'd the unknown thing come from? had to come from somewhere. then where'd THAT come from. and i could go on for a while.

as far as logic goes when it comes to time and space, everything has to come from somewhere. not to mention, where'd time and space come from? it's like there has to be something bigger than time and space in order for all that crazy shiz to take place. something like . . . god maybe? not a god in an epic, romanesque sense, who throws lightning bolts and uses magic to create everything. think of god as a force that's bigger than everything we know. and what we discovered with modern science, that's just how he operates.

and i think if the previously mentioned god can create something as vast and intricate as a universe, and work it down all the way to the tiny and obscure, then god'd know how it works. i mean he built it for cryin out loud. and if he knows how it works, i'm pretty sure he could come up w/ a little handbook to help all the confuzzled humans in the intricacies of life as we know it.

[Zmev]

k.


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[punkemohardcorekid]

dammit, i'm afraid this turned into yet another religious debate.

[Zmev]

i'm afraid you wont stfu and let this stupid topic die

[punkemohardcorekid]

whoa dude. if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. no need to be an *** about it.

[asymm]

i'm pretty sure he could come up w/ a little handbook
Which was 'given' to humans from other humans. Hypocrisy, bias, ignorance and all. The only known is unknown.

[punkemohardcorekid]

hmm, okay, i'll bite. . .

that's true of any explanations though. consider the sources for say, the theory of evolution (at ease, i'm believe in evolution). you learn about it in videos you watched in high school. or you read up on it from a book by richard dawkins. whatever your game, you still get it from other people as well.

so if the idea of religion is irrational, cuz you have to trust in people, then what makes the idea of atoms more credible. they're invisible and they make up every single thing around us, but you can only see them when you look through this machine that some guy made. for all you know it could just be a film reel w/ an eyepiece attached to it. again, i'm not saying that it is. i'm just saying. . .

also, a main point of religion is that man may be fallible, but god ain't. which means, i'm pretty sure that he'd make sure that people weren't getting a BSin storybook that completely reworks the message.

[lunchforthesky]

hmm, okay, i'll bite. . .

that's true of any explanations though. consider the sources for say, the theory of evolution (at ease, i'm believe in evolution). you learn about it in videos you watched in high school. or you read up on it from a book by richard dawkins. whatever your game, you still get it from other people as well.

so if the idea of religion is irrational, cuz you have to trust in people, then what makes the idea of atoms more credible. they're invisible and they make up every single thing around us, but you can only see them when you look through this machine that some guy made. for all you know it could just be a film reel w/ an eyepiece attached to it. again, i'm not saying that it is. i'm just saying. . .

also, a main point of religion is that man may be fallible, but god ain't. which means, i'm pretty sure that he'd make sure that people weren't getting a BSin storybook that completely reworks the message.

Firstly atoms are backed up by measurable evidence which the bible isnt. Secondly maybe God wouldnt let people ruin his story, but i dont think God exists so its irrelevant.

[punkemohardcorekid]

Firstly atoms are backed up by measurable evidence which the bible isnt. Secondly maybe God wouldnt let people ruin his story, but i dont think God exists so its irrelevant.

hmm. what evidence? and when you find it, how do you know it's true? i mean personally, not some documents that says it's true. and again, i'm not saying that the idea atoms were just cooked up by a bunch of dudes in white coats, who needed to come up w/ something groundbreak to recieve funding or something.

i'm just saying, if you're gonna discard something because it's not airtight and 100% proven, you shouldn't play favorites. apply that to every aspect of life. is your best friend really a robot? i mean, you never actually saw what's inside of him. no matter how much a skeptic you are, you have to believe something. you can't figure every single thing about the world out.

at any rate, i'm pretty sure this isn't gonna lead anywhere. i've noticed everybody on two sides of a topic just tend to try to focus on winning the argument, instead of searchin for the truth in the matter. so i have the feelin that this all is futile. kinda why i was trying to avoid a god arguement. can't help it though hahah.

[Zmev]

I got a pocket full of quarters, and I'm headed to the arcade.
I don't have a lot of money, but I'm bringing ev'rything I made.
I've got a callus on my finger, and my shoulder's hurting too.
I'm gonna eat them all up, just as soon as they turn blue.

Chorus:
'Cause I've got Pac-Man fever;
Pac-Man fever.
It's driving me crazy.
Driving me crazy.
I've got Pac-Man fever;
Pac-Man fever.
I'm going out of my mind.
Going out of my mind.
I've got Pac-Man fever;
Pac-Man fever.
I'm going out of my mind.
Going out of my mind.

I've got all the patterns down, up until the ninth key.
I've got Speedy on my tail, and I know it's either him or me.
So I'm heading out the back door and in the other side;
Gonna eat the cherries up and take them all for a ride.

Chorus

I'm gonna fake it to the left, and move to the right;
'Cause Pokey's too slow, and Blinky's out of sight.

Guitar solo

Now I've got them on the run, and I'm looking for the high score;
So it's once around the block, And I'll slide back out the side door.
I'm really cookin' now, eating everything in sight.
All my money's gone, so I'll be back tomorow night.

'Cause I've got Pac-Man fever;
Pac-Man fever.
It's driving me crazy.
Driving me crazy.
I've got Pac-Man fever;
Pac-Man fever.
I'm going out of my mind.
Going out of my mind.

[punkemohardcorekid]

neato. i think we've all been there. find a way to take a leash of that, cuz remember, today's arcade junkies are tommorow's arcade junkies w/ gambling problems. don't know if that's true or not. something about the machine slots i think. . .

[Zmev]

issac brock has pac man fever

he thought he had quarters in his veins.

[punkemohardcorekid]

Lmao