View Full Version : post-punk and post-rock? what exactly are they?
iamrockzorz
03-08-2007, 06:36 PM
Anyone wanna help me out here. i know of the "post-hardcore" because my generation loves to be part of a scene. i've really grown to like stuff by godspeed you! black emperor and was just looking for a little clarification.
pixiesfanyo
03-08-2007, 06:39 PM
kinda like a hard boiled egg, only you drain out the yoke.
perriwinkle
03-08-2007, 06:54 PM
i dunno i guess you could go to wikipedia and look at the articles about em and they will have like some big history of the terms if thats what you want. i assume you know what the prefix "post" means, so when i hear the terms post-rock or post-punk i just think of taking that style and developing it further and doing more with it.
so to me, its just punk or rock or hardcore or whatever but more interesting
bleep_bloop
03-08-2007, 07:27 PM
wtf that doesnt describe post rock or post punk at all
Boilermaker
03-08-2007, 07:38 PM
It sounds like wikipedia.
Concubine
03-08-2007, 07:42 PM
post post-rock
More post-rock bands like Elliott Smith?
Sepstrup
03-09-2007, 03:41 AM
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2682
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2636
YDload
03-09-2007, 05:32 PM
post-rock is like bands who try to make symphonies with rock instruments (i.e. usually no vocals, long songs, big build-ups and stuff)
post-punk was originally punk with a groove but then it got turned into New Wave music, and then it came back recently with stuff like Interpol.
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bleep_bloop
03-09-2007, 05:56 PM
good call
mr_jackalope
03-15-2007, 08:55 AM
post-punk was originally punk with a groove but then it got turned into New Wave music, and then it came back recently with stuff like Interpol.
Haha, that's the wrong-est thing ever.
Post-punk takes the energy and rebellion of punk, and many times many of the musical devices, but puts them into more subtle and mature contexts. It was sort of a reaction to the idealism and vibrant energy of the punk movement being overtaken by idiots. Just looks at all of the band progressions: Sex Pistols -> PiL, Warsaw -> Joy Division, Buzzcocks -> Magazine. Sure, there are cross-overs with New Wave, but they really came out of entirely different states of mind. "Punk with a groove" sort of describes the sound for a number of bands, I guess, but then it excludes stuff like the Sonic Youth, The Chameleons, and Mission of Burma.
Calling Interpol post-punk is a joke, really. They took a number of things several post-punks had in common (monotone vocals, prominent bass parts, and needlepoint guitar work) and made rock music with it. It lacks any of the vitality or experiementation of the originals, it just has the sound, sort of. I'd say a better example of a modern pp band would be someone like Xiu Xiu. They at least have the mentality down.
White Riot!
03-15-2007, 08:58 AM
London Calling is more post punk than post punk , whilst being very punk.
London Calling is more post punk than post punk , whilst being very punk.Pretty good sentance.
White Riot!
03-15-2007, 09:09 AM
I dont believe in uber specific genre classification. It only serves to stifle the music.
White Riot!
03-15-2007, 09:20 AM
ok.
how?
The " it must be three chords " notion and punk.
Do any of your sentances actually make sense? How is that in anyway an example of how 'uber specific genre classification' stifles music?
EightMilesHigh
03-15-2007, 11:02 AM
More post-rock bands like Elliott Smith?
more like post-life
shabutie
03-15-2007, 12:19 PM
burn
Neoteric
03-15-2007, 12:25 PM
lol
Robert Crumb
03-15-2007, 03:07 PM
Trying to explain post-punk to someone is like chucking syrupy pancakes at hookers. If someone wants to try to figure out what post-punk is in context, I'd recommend Greil Marcus' Ranters and Crowd Pleasers for a series of interesting first-person accounts on how the idea came to be. But reading Greil Marcus is a bit like chucking banana ice cream waffles at strippers.
IntenselyGorgeous
03-15-2007, 03:13 PM
I don't really know what post-rock is, but post punk, was dancey-punk that segwayed into New Wave. It's that in between spot. When punk started mixing funk and hip hop inlfuences, and/or electronic element. It's also like "disco rock" it's what filled the void after disco died and the yuppies went back to work in New York in the early 80's.
Robert Crumb
03-15-2007, 03:17 PM
But not really.
Dave de Sylvia
03-15-2007, 04:01 PM
Putting "post" before a genre name is like putting "not" before it. That's not very helpful, but very useable at dinner parties.
Robert Crumb
03-15-2007, 04:10 PM
Just to be completely clear, I'd like to let it be known that I, for one, enjoy whipping breakfast pastries at women of dubious moral fiber.
YDload
03-15-2007, 07:13 PM
Haha, that's the wrong-est thing ever.
Post-punk takes the energy and rebellion of punk, and many times many of the musical devices, but puts them into more subtle and mature contexts. It was sort of a reaction to the idealism and vibrant energy of the punk movement being overtaken by idiots. Just looks at all of the band progressions: Sex Pistols -> PiL, Warsaw -> Joy Division, Buzzcocks -> Magazine. Sure, there are cross-overs with New Wave, but they really came out of entirely different states of mind. "Punk with a groove" sort of describes the sound for a number of bands, I guess, but then it excludes stuff like the Sonic Youth, The Chameleons, and Mission of Burma.
Calling Interpol post-punk is a joke, really. They took a number of things several post-punks had in common (monotone vocals, prominent bass parts, and needlepoint guitar work) and made rock music with it. It lacks any of the vitality or experiementation of the originals, it just has the sound, sort of. I'd say a better example of a modern pp band would be someone like Xiu Xiu. They at least have the mentality down.
no. i'm telling someone what they need to know to figure out what post-punk sounds like, not what it's all about.
I saw a video of The Killers playing Shadowplay on the NME awards.
Ian Curtis is rolling in his grave.
Laterala
04-01-2007, 09:55 AM
I saw a video of The Killers playing Shadowplay on the NME awards.
Ian Curtis is rolling in his grave.
most likely.. there are too many of those ''new and kewl'' rock bands who are trying to impress with some kind of post-''insert any genre'' music.
On topic: i think that those ''post'' prefixes are used just to convey the difference between two genres that in the beginning were very similar but in nowadays everything has to be ''tagged'' properly.
i mean i understand the difference between post-rock and post-punk, but i don't think it's necessary to name every single genre in music.
Sound Boy
04-01-2007, 03:07 PM
so would Coheed be Post rock?
would Mars Volta be post rock?
it is kinda confusing
perriwinkle
04-01-2007, 03:08 PM
its not worth like studying theyre just labels
pixiesfanyo
04-01-2007, 03:10 PM
so would Coheed be Post rock?
would Mars Volta be post rock?
it is kinda confusing
no.
Laterala
04-01-2007, 03:56 PM
so would Coheed be Post rock?
would Mars Volta be post rock?
don't know & don't care.
if i like something i'd probably listen to is and wouldn't mind if it's called
''the dumbest pooptiest mf thing on the whole planet'' :)
cool name, though :naughty:
not.
(hope you don't mind if i'm not all that serioius 'bout this)
Dave de Sylvia
04-01-2007, 04:28 PM
Calling Interpol post-punk is a joke, really. They took a number of things several post-punks had in common (monotone vocals, prominent bass parts, and needlepoint guitar work) and made rock music with it. It lacks any of the vitality or experiementation of the originals, it just has the sound, sort of. I'd say a better example of a modern pp band would be someone like Xiu Xiu. They at least have the mentality down.
Nobody cares about the mentality. Interpol are post punk because they sound like a post punk band, it's that simple.
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