getting "clicky" attack sound in recordings?

[ygokazuki]

hey guys I'm trying to get that clicky sound off the bass drum that hear on lots of metal and punk kinda recordings.
any tips? I have a mic inside a 22x20 with EMAD heads.
also, how can you keep the pedal from "fluttering" against the batter head?

[Damo]

To stop fluttering, cut a hole in the front head.

Regarding the clickiness, thats most likely done with EQ'ing or triggering.

[Laney]

Tape a coin to where the beater hits the head. No, seriously.

[DxRocker]

Regarding to clickiness, someone once told me that some guys in those circuits used to use hard plastic or wooden beaters on the bassdrum pedals.
Next, they'ld glue a quarter to the basshead where the beaters would hit, wich will result in the "click" you talk about.
I've never tried this, and also am not all that positive about truthfullness of the story.
If you want to try this, i'ld recommend to use a protective patch on the head to glue the quarter/nickle to, or you'll screw your heads big time.

[ygokazuki]

I tried that a while ago (quarter, nickel and pennies) and they always broke through the head. Not good, lol. I'll see if I can get a slam patch or something and put the coin under....
and there's already a hole in the front head. I have to put a cushion in it and it really deadens the sound too much...could tuning it too high cause it to flutter?

[dairyairman]

when i was in the recording studio a couple weeks ago the engineer was able to get some clickiness out of my bass drum by loosening the batter head until it was just barely tight enough to remove the wrinkles. it worked, and you can hear the clicking clearly if you play the bass drum track by itself.

[The Chemist]

eq your bass for a peak at 2-5 kHz

[CasB]

eq your bass for a peak at 2-5 kHz

Yup, that's the trick I use :)

[Matter]

^yup, it's all in the EQ.

[Corkofski]

or triggers...

anyone know the name of that software that allows youto use a mic as a trigger?

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

hey guys I'm trying to get that clicky sound off the bass drum that hear on lots of metal and punk kinda recordings.
any tips? I have a mic inside a 22x20 with EMAD heads.
also, how can you keep the pedal from "fluttering" against the batter head?

Do you mean the Pantera-pioneered type bass drum sound?
And what do you mean by fluttering?

Sorry to answer a question with other questions!!!!

[The Chemist]

it's called keying inputs. It's not software, you use a certain type of gate, and whenever your bass hit ha enough energy to hit the threshhold, it adds a clicking sound. All Dramer gates do it, and most Neves do, i think

[TTTSNB]

Everything they said, hah. Also, if you all you really want is attack, detune the kick drum to just below wrinkles. Then muffle it with a pillow, then mic it very closely, using wood beaters. Then use a lot of high end eq.

[Josiah]

Everything they said, hah. Also, if you all you really want is attack, detune the kick drum to just below wrinkles. Then muffle it with a pillow, then mic it very closely, using wood beaters. Then use a lot of high end eq.


..or.. just not use a bass drum and use a E-kick pad. Since there's no point in using a bass drum if you aren't using it as a bass drum.


Or you could just go buy the Danmar patches that are made for it, wich have metal discs in them of varying weight/sounds. Tune the kick head up and throw some pillows in.


I went to the bathroom once in a studio came backa nd found my kickdrum heads off with a 50lb weight in it totally de-tuned like you guys describe. I almost knocked the engineer out right there. Absolute BS.

De-tuning is a BAD choice for many reasons. For one, if you don't play with your kick like that normally, your feet are going to sound like crap because of the drastic difference in response.

I'd recommend getting the Danmar patches and micing both the batter side and the front side. Don't kill the poor drum though, mix between the 2 tracks to get the desired mixture of clicky + bassdrum

[TTTSNB]

..or.. just not use a bass drum and use a E-kick pad. Since there's no point in using a bass drum if you aren't using it as a bass drum.


Or you could just go buy the Danmar patches that are made for it, wich have metal discs in them of varying weight/sounds. Tune the kick head up and throw some pillows in.


I went to the bathroom once in a studio came backa nd found my kickdrum heads off with a 50lb weight in it totally de-tuned like you guys describe. I almost knocked the engineer out right there. Absolute BS.

De-tuning is a BAD choice for many reasons. For one, if you don't play with your kick like that normally, your feet are going to sound like crap because of the drastic difference in response.

I'd recommend getting the Danmar patches and micing both the batter side and the front side. Don't kill the poor drum though, mix between the 2 tracks to get the desired mixture of clicky + bassdrum
I wasn't saying that's a good thing to do in most situations, only for a VERY specific situation. I personally use NO mufflling whatsoever in the kick drum, tuned up quite a bit. That's why it sounds like a cannon.

[mamcdonald]

or triggers...

anyone know the name of that software that allows youto use a mic as a trigger?

Drumagog.

To get the sound you're looking for, there's almost no other way but samples/triggering. If you really, really want that extremely fake kick/snare sound that cuts through the dynamicless wall of guitars, it's samples. Steven Slate makes GREAT ones (Google the name) or you can even rip them from your favorite CD's (if you know how).

But, the easier way is LOTS of compression (high ratio, quick attack) and use a "V" looking EQ. Keep in mind, these will not sound as good as the professional samples, but you can get SORT OF close.

[Motleyguy]

eq your bass for a peak at 2-5 kHz

123.

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[ygokazuki]

Unfortunately I'm running all my drum mics through a mixer so I can't add any effects after recording (it'd go over the entire track); all I have is 2-band EQ.

[Jred250]

I am assuming you mean the ''clicky'' sounds that Korn's drummer is well known for??? If that is the case you can actually purchase beaters that give the clicky sound. They contain a rattle kinda thing.

Here is a video in which he uses the rattles

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RoNPqtznoXk

His bass drum pedal is an ''Iron Cobra Flexi Glide Twin Pedal'' As for the beater, it looks like a Cobra made beater...

[Timekeep69]

Danmar makes a bass drum pad that sticks onto the bass drum head. It comes with a piece of metal that you can stick to the pad, use one of those with a hard plastic beater and Viola! Clicky bass drum sound.

[mamcdonald]

it's called keying inputs. It's not software, you use a certain type of gate, and whenever your bass hit ha enough energy to hit the threshhold, it adds a clicking sound. All Dramer gates do it, and most Neves do, i think

Please let me know when Rupert Neve EVER designed a gate because I have NEVER heard of one.

[The Chemist]

it wasn't designed by neve himself; designed by AMS-Neve

[The Chemist]

look up the neve 8802

[mamcdonald]

Ahh, it must be one of their New Vintage units or whatever they call it. I see...carry on.

[The Chemist]

no problem

and welcome to a SMXDPE-approved thread

[mamcdonald]

What is that? I haven't been on here in forever.

[Chippy569]

neve is building consoles again..... *hehehehe*

[The Chemist]

Society of MXDP Engineers

[mamcdonald]

neve is building consoles again..... *hehehehe*

Yeah.

I don't know, though. AMS remakes are APPARENTLY pretty damn close to the real thing. I've heard the AMS 1073 but I have not had the opportunity to compare it to the original so I don't know if they're ACCURATE...they sound good, though.

[The Chemist]

nothing sounds as good as an 88, tho

[Talos]

Plastic beater works great for me

[The Chemist]

1 week and 3 days left in the Drum-Off!