placing diddles

[Pearldrumguy]

How many people in here place there diddles. That means stroke every note be it wrist or finger.

[Josiah]

Use the force, I do for this, yes mmm

[Pearldrumguy]

this cause you to have better sounding cleaner defined diddles. like machine guns.

[Gary Lover]

Yes, sticking each note of a diddle or double stroke can be great for achieving clarity in your playing; I use it a lot when do stuff on my toms. Keep in mind, though, that this reduces your speed and has a different feel and sound than bounced doubles. I find it useful to employ both. I never have a one-or-the-other view about different techniques; think of it like a toolbox: you won't use a screwdriver to pound some nails in, but if you only use a hammer you'll be very limited if you want to assemble anything with screws.

Look at Dave Weckl. He seems to bounce and use quite a bit of moeller motion in his strokes, and he has one of the smoothest and refined sounds on a kit.


Gary :thumb:

[Pearldrumguy]

Well I play snare for corps style bands and that why i do it. for sound quality. I do bounce on kit sometimes because you arent limited to a cetain way to clean a line. You do things your way.

[Gary Lover]

No need to be hostile; I was merely giving you a suggestion to open up your playing possibilities. I too did a lot of snare style corp study, and am familiar with the techniques taught. Another thing I have seen corp style guys do (more old school guys than anything else, perhaps before your time) is bounce but use arm motion rather than wrist or fingers. This allows the larger muscle grouping to provide much more consistancy and power. You would be surprised at how good these doubles sound and how loud they get!

Gary :thumb:

[Pearldrumguy]

/\/\ Sorry man. I didn't know that sounded hostile. I was just saying when and when i dont bounce them. Stupid computers cant show how people say stuff. lol Yea. A lot of corps from like the 60's slurred their tap rolls. (took the space out between the tap and the next diddle)

[White Riot!]

bounce is not the issue. If your not controlling the strokes , then its not a double stroke.

snapping or moeller type is fine. As long as you are controlling those notes.

[Pearldrumguy]

Yea. placing = control

[White Riot!]

I think its okay to bounce roll to substitute until you can get smooth doubles at desired tempos.

And also that loose bounce roll has quite a different feel to it making it equally valid as double strokes as a musical application

[Gary Lover]

/\/\ Sorry man. I didn't know that sounded hostile. I was just saying when and when i dont bounce them. Stupid computers cant show how people say stuff. lol Yea. A lot of corps from like the 60's slurred their tap rolls. (took the space out between the tap and the next diddle)

Pearldrumguy - No harm done, man! My mistake.

White Riot - I find students actually have a harder time playing a clean sounding multiple bounce (buzz) roll than a double stroke roll. But of course you need to control the double strokes whether you are bouncing them or sticking them... that is what makes it a double stroke roll and not something else. Having studied with some serious orchestral percussionists, I have to say a multiple bounce roll is one of the hardest parts of snare drumming. The finesse and control some of those guys possess is amazing. A nice clean, crescendoing buzz roll starting from ppp is the sexiest thing next to Vinnie's and Gary Novak's single strokes! But I digress...


Gary :thumb:

[static]

I read this as "placing dildos."


so I thought I was in the Pop-Punk forum....

[poopoogaypoonn]

lol

[FockerTheLopper]

How many people in here place there diddles. That means stroke every note be it wrist or finger.

Generally I like to place my second diddle stroke after my first... But yeah, of course, you need to use fingers/wrists because if you don't and just use bounce you'll either lose power speed or clarity(distance between notes)