sticking control paradiddles

[AmodestBeginning]

im trying to work on my paradiddles, and improve my single,double stroke
mainly focusing on better stick control technique

well i found this cool website, states many paradiddles

for example. i
i want to work on my single paradiddles, improve it for better bpm
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/16singleparadiddle.html theres the link

im not expecting to be as fast as that guy(if u watch the video) but i want to improve my bpm(not sure of my current, but im not that fast and horiible sticking control)

any way to improve this situation?

[Rancid_Man91]

heyhey..i was just working with this...
tis' a great website

[AmodestBeginning]

i know ^-^

doesnt the guy in the video remind of of arnold swachenager, spelling not sur

[double stroke roller]

Go back to that link. You can play all eleven audios at the same time.

[AmodestBeginning]

k enough about the video

anyway to help me on stick control?

[Rancid_Man91]

check out mark wessell on that site...he has a lot of stuff on stick control and a lot of good excersises to do

[alurny]

Well basically start slow and build up because if you can't control it at lower speeds then you can't control it at faster.

I just picked up stick control. Working my way through page by page at 60 90 120 140 as these are the tempos I can manage currently.

:)

[Superman]

k enough about the video

anyway to help me on stick control?

Buy the book, Stick control by George L Stone

[Retarded Chipple]

i know ^-^

doesnt the guy in the video remind of of arnold swachenager, spelling not sur

I think he looks really, really angry when he's playing!

[the_pure_drummer]

Im a gold or more on paradiddles!

[Retarded Chipple]

Sh!t me, I'm now platinum/diamond for single paradiddles!!!

Has em at around 150-155bpm.....maybe 160bpm on good days

16ths obviously...

[Jezen]

My hands are pretty cold from driving, but I gave it a little look see and i'm alright with paradiddle 16ths at 225bpm. Not that it matters anyway..

[Jezen]

Paradiddle-diddles are clean at 150bpm, though if I warm up a bit I can definately push that.

[Retarded Chipple]

****ing hell, thats pretty awesome. My metronome don't even go that fast :lol:

How did you manage to get em goin that fast? Practice, right?

I been playing for two years btw, didn't think 150-160bpm was too bad considering

[Josiah]

That's really not fast at all.

Your paradiddles should be near, or just below, your single stroke speed. For me, I can play most any paradiddle variation in 32nds at 110-120 depending on the day/my mood haha

One way to really get around paradiddles is to come at them from the idea of just single stroking, and adding a double to flip the sticking.

Also if you find rudiments that share the same sticking patterns, that helps to approach from that angle. For instance, working on the flam drag, will help your single paradiddle. They are the same sticking, different rhythm.

I'm working on gettin my 32nd note flam taps up to 100... now that's fast.

[the_pure_drummer]

hahah good luck with that josiah!

[Josiah]

I'm at around (16ths)180 at the moment...

[Jezen]

That's really not fast at all.

Yeah alright.. But remember, you have been playing for what, 5 times as long as me?

[Jezen]

I only have my flam taps at around 16ths @ 132 bpm.

[Josiah]

Yeah alright.. But remember, you have been playing for what, 5 times as long as me?

True, though irrelivent.

I was more making that statement in regaurds to phrases and passages I see needing to be played in various level snare solos.

In the Rudimental Cookbook. You find those kind of tempos asked of various stickings, including the paradiddle at various speeds.
Sextuplet double paradiddles are found in "Easy" solos. And 32nd note Paradiddles found in "Intermediate" solos, notably "Funky Fat", a fairly popular choice for younger snare drummers. With the tempo markings 90+ or much more.

This would lead me to believe that the abbility to play 32nd note paradiddles cleanly at a tempo of 90-110 or so, would be considered a intermediate snare drummer.

[AmodestBeginning]

ok i see improvement from this already

thanks guys

[Jezen]

This would lead me to believe that the abbility to play 32nd note paradiddles cleanly at a tempo of 90-110 or so, would be considered a intermediate snare drummer.

That's ok with me. I have never played in a drumline.

[Josiah]

It's a good experience. Remember there is no difference between the snare, and a drum kit. Sans feet of course.

[Pearldrumguy]

Make sure when your doing the double you place the notes. Don't bounce them when working on building speed. Also what helps is working out the different stroke types.

for a single paradiddle.
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/16singleparadiddle/16singleparadiddle.gif
The first stroke is a down stroke.(accent to tap) the second note is an upstroke(tap to accent) The 3rd and fourth notes are taps. When playing i suggest you bring the upstroke up right after it hits the drum. Like hold the stick in the up position. Also make sure your dont prep the up stroke. (causes timing issues at faster tempos) that means only bring the stick down, hit the drum then up. Don't lift the stick then go down for the tap part of the upstroke.

ex.
down up tap tap down up tap tap

[TimJim]

try putting paradiddles into beats, then you can get creative and use the in fills

[the_pure_drummer]

Use the cowbell, snare, hats and bass drum and play around.......it becomes fun after a litle while!

[Pearldrumguy]

I believe hes trying to get faster. Remember relaxing is most important.

[Retarded Chipple]

I find I can only relaxing if my posture is correct. When I'm at my pad, my legs are at just about 90 degrees and when I play fast, I seem to tense up. My hands and arms are relaxed, it seems to be my upper body, like my chest that tenses.

When I get behind the kit though, I can play completely relaxed.

Maybe something to consider?

[TimJim]

yes, i personally think its from my old drum line routhine

[Rancid_Man91]

I find I can only relaxing if my posture is correct. When I'm at my pad, my legs are at just about 90 degrees and when I play fast, I seem to tense up. My hands and arms are relaxed, it seems to be my upper body, like my chest that tenses.

When I get behind the kit though, I can play completely relaxed.

Maybe something to consider?


i feel the exact same way

[Pearldrumguy]

I have problems with my shoulders getting tense.

[Josiah]

One way of correcting that is by playing with 1 hand/side of your body with a lot of gusto and force. While holding the other side in a ready position.

The way I saw it done, the arm that is playing is playing something simply, but reigoruse. Some tap/accent combination.

Then while holding the other arm/stick in ready position (1" off the head, center) you mentally concentrate and focus on relaxing that part f your body. The arm, hand, shoulders, chest, back.. it takes a lot of effort, esspeccially at first. You are teaching your body to be commanded to relax while part of it is doing something else. Also you are teaching it to remain relaxed while something else is doing something.

You may notice as you watch other people play instruments, or do other things. They have facial expressions, movements, grimaces, etc that go with particularly difficult phrases, passages, etc
This is basically muscle memory from them making that face, or grimacing, while learning to do that. So they've taught their body "When playing blushda down toms, grimce hard in face too"
They could have taught their face to be a smile while playing that lick, but they prob weren't paying attention to their face at the time, and inadverntly devloped a conjoined face with the lick.

That's the identical concepts and principles using here. We are teaching the body to remain relaxed when not in use, despite another part being in use. And teaching it to relax in general while playing. Relaxation is VERY important.