Hardcore punk subgenre listings

[RadicalPunk]

Hardcore-Punk played at breakneck speed often with raspy vocals, dirty bass and guitar lines, and complex drumlines. Lyrical focus is most often on socio-political topics. There are three major schools of hardcore punk. The first is the west coast style which was a little sloppier and more fun oriented. This style is typified by Black Flag's early work. The second is East coast style or what is more often called New York Hardcore. This style is much heavier and aggressive (and in many claims faster) and lyrical focus is much more aggressive and often militant. Band's like Agnostic Front and Sick of it All typify this style. The third school is melodic hardcore. Mostly a recent development, it is typified by the same breakneck speeds but a more polished and melodic sound usually via the vocals. Typified by bands like Rise Against.

Post-Hardcore-Basically interchangable with emo, although not all emo will qualify for this genre. In recent years some bands desiring to disassociate with the current emo trend have taken to calling themselves post-hardcore. Early emo bands also adopted this label. Post-Hardcore is typified by lyrical focus on emotional and mostly introverted issues, a very atmospheric and "noisy" sound, which is to say that sound constantly surrounds you creating a chaotic feel, complex melodies, vocals that are delivered in whispers one second and in screams the next, and a heavy use of hitting the cymbals on the drums. Bands in this genre include Thursday and Fugazi.

Emo-In recent years used mostly incorrectly. What is labelled emo these days is for the most part a slew of pop-punk bands who focus on emotional issues especially depression and who often deliver vocals in a highly emotional way. What emo truly is, however, is what you would call post-hardcore.

Grindcore-A genre pioneered mostly by the band Napalm Death. Grindcore started out mostly as a subgenre of punk but in recent years has evolved into a subgenre of death/black metal. What it WAS however, was a blending of hardcore punk with the early death metal style of Death (the band). Mostly focusing on insane speeds, songs often clock in at ridiculously low times, feature heavily downtuned thrash/death riffs, and blast beats (alternate tapping of the cymbals and snare to create a 'grinding' sound). Vocals are delivered in a highly gutteral and insane manner often akin to death metal but sometimes more in tune with black metal. Lyrics sometimes focus on rebellion/politics in the vein of punk and most especially napalm death. There are many additional schools of grindcore but the most affluent and noteworthy would be goregrind. Goregrind is in many ways musically the same, but the lyrics often focus on the most gritty and disgusting gore-related issues imaginable. For example, Gorerotted's song Zombie Graveyard Rape Bonanza.

Crust Punk-An extreme evolution of hardcore punk and anarcho-punk. Musically it is hardcore taken to the extreme with even more gutteral and raspy vocals, often shrill vocals, very barebones instrumentation, occasional crossing over in to crossover thrash and black metal, and highly political lyrics. Crust punks live lifestyle anarchism, often squatting in abandoned buildings, not bathing, refusing to participate in capitalism, and doing what they want when they want it. Noteworthy bands include Hellbastard and Iskra and early influences on the genre include Crass and Discharge.

Crossover Thrash-Quite simply a blending of Thrash Metal and Hardcore punk to create a political version of thrash metal. Vocals are occasionally rapped, though this is more a coincidence of punk kids trying to immitate the thrash metal way of vocalizing, than an actual attempt at rapping. It was mostly pioneered in the 80s by New York Hardcore bands. Notable bands are Suicidal Tendencies, DRI, Cro-Mags, and Stormtroopers of Death.

Metalcore-A blending of hardcore punk and metal (without being crossover thrash). Focus is on incredibly downtuned guitars, more simplified riffs than typical metal, Breakdowns breakdowns breakdowns, complex and usually fast but dulled drumming, and screamed vocals with occasional melodic choruses. Early metalcore was often political and more in tune with punk but lately the genre has began to grow away from punk. Notable bands: Avenged Sevenfold (older), Trivium, Zao

I felt that the stickied thread up top was not nearly thorough enough. It did give more backhistory but gave less information on the musical qualities of the genres.

[bottlerocket]

We know it's not enough. We're just too lazy to change it. No one cares.

We're intelligent enough to know the differences.

Oh, tl;dr, btw. I just read the last paragraph.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Nothing we don't already know. I never liked breaking down hardcore into the coast vs. coast thing. Makes more senses to go by decade if anything. Still doesn't work that well.

[Feel The Darkness]

Hardcore Punk cannot be a subgenre of itself...

[Flagjacket]

You left out Radical Hardcore Punk.

[cobert]

Not only is this old news, but some of them are wrong, but im not in the mood for a genre debate.

[RetiredAt21]

Hardcore Punk cannot be a subgenre of itself...

No, this kid knows what he's talking about. :rolleyes:

lol

[Feel The Darkness]

No, this kid knows what he's talking about. :rolleyes:

lol
oh. radical.

[RetiredAt21]

He forgot the radical bro-core genre.

[raus]

Metalcore-A blending of hardcore punk and metal (without being crossover thrash). Focus is on incredibly downtuned guitars, more simplified riffs than typical metal, Breakdowns breakdowns breakdowns, complex and usually fast but dulled drumming, and screamed vocals with occasional melodic choruses. Early metalcore was often political and more in tune with punk but lately the genre has began to grow away from punk. Notable bands: Avenged Sevenfold (older), Bleeding Through, Zao, Atreyu (maybe, depends on who you are)You ****ing idiot. You deserve a slap in the face.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

7 Angels 7 Plagues
100 Demons
Cave In
Converge
Turmoil

and even some of those could get away with being called hardcore.

[raus]

7 Angels 7 Plagues
100 Demons
Cave In
Converge
Turmoil

and even some of those could get away with being called hardcore.You guys really listen to shitty metalcore for the most part.

100 Demons are hardcore.
Converge are hard to classify.

[Times Ten]

Cool! Now I know what these genres are! Thanks!!!!!!!!

[Let's Chop Cats!]

You guys really listen to shitty metalcore for the most part.

100 Demons are hardcore.
Converge are hard to classify.
I don't listen to 100 Demons, I just have like 2 songs by them because Shane wouldn't shutup about them like 2 years ago when I went to see them and Champion.

Converge I'd call metalcore these days due to a lack of any real genre. Older stuff could be considered hardcore.

[raus]

100 Demons are ****ing sick.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Yawn

[cobert]

He forgot the radical bro-core genre.

This dude doesnt know anything, he forgot artcore.

[RetiredAt21]

100 Demons are ****ing sick.

Agreed. They rule.

[Lazybassplr56]

You ****ing idiot. You deserve a **** slap in the face.

fix'd

[Aus Rotten]

Agreed. They rule.

100 Demons are so boring. Saw them at a s'hitty Agnostic Front show 2 years ago.

[raus]

100 Demons are so boring. Saw them at a s'hitty Agnostic Front show 2 years ago.We know you ****ing nerd, all you ever talk about is how bad the one hardcore show you've been to was. We will continue to not care.

[RadicalPunk]

Oh, my bad, I'm used to chatting in neoseeker music forums where people aren't self-righteous dicks.

The crap I wrote was basically right. If you want to dispute it, fine, go ahead, but don't just say I'm wrong, tell me why I'm wrong. And last I checked the metalcore section was pretty dead on. At least from what I've heard of the genre, which is a decent enough amount. And I don't plan on getting in to additional sub-sub-sub-genres of hardcore such as funkcore, mathcore, deathcore, ect. Just some of the basics.

The whole idea isn't to help "intelligient" people like yourself out with the sub-genres. I know you would be smart enough to know the difference :rolleyes:
This is more to help those pathetic nooby emo kids who think they know the first thing about punk.

If you can suggest any improvements/additions to the lists, I'd be more than happy to oblige.

[raus]

Not one band you listed is metalcore you twat. Your description is **** too.

[RetiredAt21]

Wtf, 100 Demons aren't boring. Sorry, but Aus Rotten is way more boring than 100 Demons.

[RadicalPunk]

Yesh they are. Maybe not Bleeding Through or Atreyu, they are both a little more emo-ish. But Zao is pretty much definitely metalcore and old Avenged Sevenfold was also a definite metalcore. Don't call me a twat if you don't even have the brains to know that.

And as for west coast vs east coast hardcore. The two schools are different in sound and lyrical quality to the point that they might as well be entirely seperate genres, thus it is somewhat necessary to differentiate between the two. West coast hardcore is very much rooted in punk while New York (east coast) hardcore is more gritty and raw sounding and has steadily moved away from its punk roots.

[RetiredAt21]

Yesh they are. Maybe not Bleeding Through or Atreyu, they are both a little more emo-ish. But Zao is pretty much definitely metalcore and old Avenged Sevenfold was also a definite metalcore. Don't call me a twat if you don't even have the brains to know that.

And as for west coast vs east coast hardcore. The two schools are different in sound and lyrical quality to the point that they might as well be entirely seperate genres, thus it is somewhat necessary to differentiate between the two. West coast hardcore is very much rooted in punk while New York (east coast) hardcore is more gritty and raw sounding and has steadily moved away from its punk roots.

Shut up.

[RadicalPunk]

Wow, you're so ****ing mature. Does this stupid music site have fricking moderators? I wanted to come on here as an alternative to neoseeker music (which is blocked on my school computers), but based on the amount of dicks here (and the apparent lack of mods controlling behaviour) it might be best to just not bother.

[raus]

Yesh they are. Maybe not Bleeding Through or Atreyu, they are both a little more emo-ish. But Zao is pretty much definitely metalcore and old Avenged Sevenfold was also a definite metalcore. Don't call me a twat if you don't even have the brains to know that.I'm not one to back out of an arguement, but someone like you will never learn. You are wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, so wrong, it's unbelievable.

Begging for rules to be enforced is both radical and punk.

[RetiredAt21]

RadicalPunk for mod!

[RadicalPunk]

I'm not one to back out of an arguement, but someone like you will never learn. You are wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong, so wrong, it's unbelievable.


Can you tell me why I am wrong? Can you name one musical quality of metalcore that Avenged Sevenfold or Zao lacks? Can you even tell me what metalcore is supposed to sound like?

If not, qft and wasting my time.

[raus]

Can you tell me why I am wrong? Can you name one musical quality of metalcore that Avenged Sevenfold or Zao lacks? Can you even tell me what metalcore is supposed to sound like?

If not, qft and wasting my time.Deadguy, Bloodlet, Ringworm, Integrity, Ascension, a bunch of other bands you've never heard of.

[RetiredAt21]

Are Ascension any good? I tried to check them out the other day, but I couldn't find any of their stuff.

[RadicalPunk]

Deadguy, Bloodlet, Ringworm, Integrity, Ascension, a bunch of other bands you've never heard of.

I didn't say list some f'ucking bands that are metalcore. I said to tell me why Avenged Sevenfold are not metalcore. Your response hardly qualifies. Either you are just dumb enough to repeat what you 'heard' your freinds say about metalcore: "leik A7X are so not metalcore, them posers", or you are just plain spounting shite to annoy me.

[raus]

I didn't say list some f'ucking bands that are metalcore. I said to tell me why Avenged Sevenfold are not metalcore. Your response hardly qualifies. Either you are just dumb enough to repeat what you 'heard' your freinds say about metalcore: "leik A7X are so not metalcore, them posers", or you are just plain spounting poope to annoy me.You asked what metalcore is supposed to sound like retard.

Ascension are insane.

[RadicalPunk]

I couldn't be arsed to look up all those bands. just ****ing tell me what it is supposed to sound like and why A7X don't sound like it or shut the **** up, seriously.

[raus]

It's supposed to sound like what those bands write, ****head.

Listening to a band is much better than describing it, idiot.

[RadicalPunk]

I don't give a ****. You have yet to tell me why Avenged Sevenfold is not metalcore. You have yet to list one simple reason why. Seems to me that would be much easier than telling me to listen to a s'hitload of metalcore and somehow pick up on the common musical attributes and then critique A7X myself.

[Dextomethorphan]

A7X aren't metalcore because they're emo. Ok?

[RetiredAt21]

A7X aren't metalcore because they're emo. Ok?

lol

[Let's Chop Cats!]

They're not metalcore because they don't sound like Integrity.

[RetiredAt21]

They're not metalcore because they don't sound like Integrity.

Word.

[cobert]

Yeah Bleeding Through and Atreyu arent emoish.

But youve gotten enough **** already.

[Flagjacket]

In a year RadicalPunk will be writing for Rolling Stone.

[RetiredAt21]

In a year RadicalPunk will be writing for Rolling Stone.

:lol:

[RadicalPunk]

Avenged Sevenfold aren't metalcore because they are emo....
Great response dude. Resort to the emo term. Nevermind that they sound NOTHING like emo.

Avenged Sevenfold aren't metalcore because they don't sound like integrity...
Black Flag doesn't really sound like Dead Kennedys either, does that mean Black Flag aren't hardcore?

You guys are all idiots. You seem to have no idea what you are talking about, which is just plain pathetic. You idiots would be eaten alive in neoseeker music forums. People there actually have a clue and they don't take well to noobies spouting crap they know nothing about.

[cobert]

I still dont see how emo is 'what we would call post hardcore' when we in fact call Quicksand, Fugazi, and Drive Like Jehu post-hardcore and we know that they are post-hardcore.

[RetiredAt21]

I still dont see how emo is 'what we would call post hardcore' when we in fact call Quicksand, Fugazi, and Drive Like Jehu post-hardcore.

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Flagjacket]

You guys are all idiots. You seem to have no idea what you are talking about, which is just plain pathetic. You idiots would be eaten alive in neoseeker music forums. People there actually have a clue and they don't take well to noobies spouting crap they know nothing about.
Yeah, this place sucks, sorry your divine intervention didn't go over so well.
What do you talk about on neoseeker anyway, definitions?

[whiteminority]

Avenged Sevenfold aren't metalcore because they are emo....
Great response dude. Resort to the emo term. Nevermind that they sound NOTHING like emo.

Avenged Sevenfold aren't metalcore because they don't sound like integrity...
Black Flag doesn't really sound like Dead Kennedys either, does that mean Black Flag aren't hardcore?

You guys are all idiots. You seem to have no idea what you are talking about, which is just plain pathetic. You idiots would be eaten alive in neoseeker music forums. People there actually have a clue and they don't take well to noobies spouting crap they know nothing about.

Dead Kennedies are hardcore since when?

Also A7X just have nothing to do with metalcore since they play metal and metal and wee bit of fag. Please stop getting your music definitions from Fuse.

[RadicalPunk]

Fugazi, kiddies, is an early emo band. The moniker that bands in the vein of Fugazi adopted before the term emo was introduced to the scene was Post-Hardcore. Lately bands wishing to not identifiy with the current emo trend, and the whiny emo kid posers that come along with it, call themselves post hardcore and play a version of emo much more pure and closer to the older fugazi and DC emo stuff. If that is hard to understand, I can't help you. Post-hardcore=emo. Current 'emo' bands=posers thus 'true' emo bands call themselves post-hardcore in order to identify themselves as non-posers.

[RetiredAt21]

Dead Kennedies are hardcore since when?

Yeah, anways, WTF.

[cobert]

Ive always seen them as just a punk ban, but when people have called them hardcore I dont get all pissy about it.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

they don't take well to noobies spouting crap they know nothing about.o rly?

[whiteminority]

Fugazi, kiddies, is an early emo band. The moniker that bands in the vein of Fugazi adopted before the term emo was introduced to the scene was Post-Hardcore. Lately bands wishing to not identifiy with the current emo trend, and the whiny emo kid posers that come along with it, call themselves post hardcore and play a version of emo much more pure and closer to the older fugazi and DC emo stuff. If that is hard to understand, I can't help you. Post-hardcore=emo. Current 'emo' bands=posers thus 'true' emo bands call themselves post-hardcore in order to identify themselves as non-posers.

Um, you are way off. Seriously just because you can pull out the Old Dischord band started emo thing you are not shocking anyone into giving you credit because that has become a very well wide known fact recently.

The fact that you seem to be legitimately using the terms poser and noob make me wonder if you are still in middle school listening to the Casualities, and lately have discovered the buzzword hardcore.

[cobert]

Fugazi, kiddies, is an early emo band. The moniker that bands in the vein of Fugazi adopted before the term emo was introduced to the scene was Post-Hardcore. Lately bands wishing to not identifiy with the current emo trend, and the whiny emo kid posers that come along with it, call themselves post hardcore and play a version of emo much more pure and closer to the older fugazi and DC emo stuff. If that is hard to understand, I can't help you. Post-hardcore=emo. Current 'emo' bands=posers thus 'true' emo bands call themselves post-hardcore in order to identify themselves as non-posers.

Post-Hardcore-Basically interchangable with emo, although not all emo will qualify for this genre. In recent years some bands desiring to disassociate with the current emo trend have taken to calling themselves post-hardcore. Early emo bands also adopted this label. Post-Hardcore is typified by lyrical focus on emotional and mostly introverted issues, a very atmospheric and "noisy" sound, which is to say that sound constantly surrounds you creating a chaotic feel, complex melodies, vocals that are delivered in whispers one second and in screams the next, and a heavy use of hitting the cymbals on the drums. Bands in this genre include Thursday and Fugazi.

LOL JUSS POINTIN IT OUT

Then tell me Quicksand isnt post-harcore and explain what they are.

Tell me Saetia was post-hardcore and not emo.

Go ahead and name some new emo bands that call themselves post-hardcore while youre at it.

[raus]

Gospel don't sound like Quicksand, retard. Bring all your little neoseeker buddies, we'll rumble.

[whiteminority]

Cob you may not have been around at this point, but I once tryed arguing that Saetia were "just a really artsy post-hardcore band who get called emo." =P

Also don't **** with cobabe and post-hardcore.

[cobert]

Cob you may not have been around at this point, but I once tryed arguing that Saetia were "just a really artsy post-hardcore band who get called emo." =P

Also don't **** with cobabe and post-hardcore.

Hahaha, I wish I was just so I could make fun of you for it now.

[bottlerocket]

This dude has no idea what he's talking about. I'm loling.

[Eliminator]

too much rep past 24 hours

shall rep people later

[Matt?]

You guys are all idiots. You seem to have no idea what you are talking about, which is just plain pathetic. You idiots would be eaten alive in neoseeker music forums. People there actually have a clue and they don't take well to noobies spouting crap they know nothing about.

you are a f'ucking joke. whatever the f'uck neoseeker it probably is too.

you know nearly nothing about these genres. you probably have never been to a show in your life.

[Times Ten]

I don't even get why this list was posted. All the people in the forum know what all the subgenres are and we don't need some textbook definition ripped off wikipedia to tell us what they are. So lame.

[bleep_bloop]

word
this thread is silly and the ts is an idiot
but thats already been established so this is redundant

Fugazi, kiddies, is an early emo band. The moniker that bands in the vein of Fugazi adopted before the term emo was introduced to the scene was Post-Hardcore. Lately bands wishing to not identifiy with the current emo trend, and the whiny emo kid posers that come along with it, call themselves post hardcore and play a version of emo much more pure and closer to the older fugazi and DC emo stuff. If that is hard to understand, I can't help you. Post-hardcore=emo. Current 'emo' bands=posers thus 'true' emo bands call themselves post-hardcore in order to identify themselves as non-posers.

you're not doing much other than proving how little you know about the genres. stop.

[bottlerocket]

Radical Punk'd!