Homotopia 2.0

[Hababi]

AIDS, in America, is a preventable disease. We have to spend millions of dollars more a year on idiots who should've known better. Money that could be spent combating AIDS in Africa, instead.

So, I have a couple of modest proposals:
1) Make intentionally transmitting HIV a capital offense.
2) Offer HIV positive persons medication to suppress sexual urges

Now that the thread is sufficiently big, just talk about these two things :p

[lunchforthesky]

This thread is blatantly homophobic, the fact that you titled a thread about aids "Homotopia" warrants a ban.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

i have a proposal:

1. dont make anymore lame threads

ok, and another one:

2. Dont be such a ****ing mentally stunted idiot

[spitfirejunky]

I wouldn't call anyone who's a victim of #1 an idiot.

[Iskandar]

Continue to encourage the use of condoms among homosexual men.

[Jharaski]

1) Make intentionally transmitting HIV a capital offense.

How can you prove it.

[Scuba_Steve]

we should make a thread called jewtopia.


and it can be about greed.





/now i could be LEGITIMATELY labelled an anti-semite.

[lunchforthesky]

It basically is the equvalent of that.

[Hababi]

How can you prove it.

The same way you can prove rape much of the time, I guess :\

[RNR]

3) Have public schools stress the dangers of the gay lifestyle


The gay lifestyle isn't dangerous. A sexually active lifestle without using protection is.

[Hababi]

The gay lifestyle isn't dangerous. A sexually active lifestle without using protection is.

Yeah but that's the dominant lifestyle amongst gays :\

PS I don't hate gay people, I just disapprove of homosexuality.

[Iskandar]

Yeah but that's the dominant lifestyle amongst gays :\

PS I don't hate gay people, I just disapprove of homosexuality.
Um.

Then why don't we just encourage protection ... amongst homosexual men.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

ok you dont hate gay people you just don't like them

[Hababi]

Um.

Then why don't we just encourage protection ... amongst homosexual men.

It's better to encourage counseling.

[Iskandar]

It's better to encourage counseling.
I wanted to type something like "hahahahahahahaha" but restrained myself.

Uh, homosexuals are here to stay. If they aren't using protection as frequently as they should, why not just encourage that?

Or do you really think homosexuals have that much of a negative effect on society?

[lunchforthesky]

Yeah but that's the dominant lifestyle amongst gays :\

I know five gay people and none of them would even consider unprotected sex.

[Hababi]

I wanted to type something like "hahahahahahahaha" but restrained myself.

Uh, homosexuals are here to stay. If they aren't using protection as frequently as they should, why not just encourage that?


Every type of malediction is here to stay, it's a matter of dealing with it. We'll never eliminate heroin addiction, but we still work against it.



Or do you really think homosexuals have that much of a negative effect on society?

It's just the principle that homosexuality ought to be discouraged, and the only encouraged and validated lifestyle should be the monogamous male/female relationship.

[-1up!-]

Yeah but that's the dominant lifestyle amongst gays :\

PS I don't hate gay people, I just disapprove of homosexuality.

You seem to know a lot about the gay sexual lifestyle, enough to know its dominant tendencies. I'm curious, how you can be aware of such tendencies except by intimately knowing a stunningly large number of homosexuals?

[Hababi]

You seem to know a lot about the gay sexual lifestyle, enough to know its dominant tendencies. I'm curious, how you can be aware of such tendencies except by intimately knowing a stunningly large number of homosexuals?

Scientific studies.

[Iskandar]

It's just the principle that homosexuality ought to be discouraged, and the only encouraged and validated lifestyle should be the monogamous male/female relationship.
I don't want to encourage or suppress any particular sexual persuasion except those which are harmful to other people.

I don't think homosexual sex acts, if practiced properly, are harmful.

[lunchforthesky]

It's just the principle that homosexuality ought to be discouraged, and the only encouraged and validated lifestyle should be the monogamous male/female relationship.

Who are you tell people they cant sleep around as much as you like if they take precautions?

[Akira]

Zero, do you have to be such a troll? You could have easily made this thread without the homophobic garbage. Calling the gay lifestyle dangerous completely negates any good points you may have had with the thread.

[-1up!-]

Scientific studies.

Scientific studies or polls? In any case, care to link those studies?

[Hababi]

I don't want to encourage or suppress any particular sexual persuasion except those which are harmful to other people.


What about what's harmful to the individual?



Who are you tell people they cant sleep around as much as you like if they take precautions?

You make it out like I'm advocating forcing people into counseling.


Zero, do you have to be such a troll? You could have easily made this thread without the homophobic garbage. Calling the gay lifestyle dangerous completely negates any good points you may have had with the thread.

Well I wish people would concentrate on the first two :p

[PerpetualBurn]

The transmission of HIV isn't really more than negligibly more probable in a gay relationship if the two men are responsible.

In conclusion, you are a bigot.

[Akira]

Well I wish people would concentrate on the first two :p

Very funny.

[The_Passenger]

3) Have public schools stress the dangers of the gay lifestyle

Ok everyone's gonna concentrate on 3:p

Damn straight.

Surely just encouraging people in general to wear protection etc would be more effective than telling people gays are bad or whatever you're trying to get across?

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

wearing protection is not the Catholic thing to do

[lunchforthesky]

As Dropper said gays are here to stay.

Even Ted Haggard was gay thus proving its not a choice :p

[Hababi]

Damn straight.

Surely just encouraging people in general to wear protection etc would be more effective than telling people gays are bad or whatever you're trying to get across?

Succesful counseling eliminates the problem, though.\

Even Ted Haggard was gay thus proving its not a choice


Sure it was, and he's getting counseling for his mistakes and shortcomings, now.

[lunchforthesky]

There have always been gays there always will be gays, you cant stop yourself from being gay.

Why cant your bigotted mind understand that??

[Hababi]

There have always been gays there always will be gays, you cant stop yourself from being gay.

Why cant your bigotted mind understand that??

Dude you missed (or ignored) my rebuttal to this.

[lunchforthesky]

Hes getting counselling cause he's a christian moran. If even he can't resist his urges then it pretty much shows he was born gay.

[lunchforthesky]

ATTN: ZERO

If being gay is a choice then try this.

Get yourself some time alone, put on some Barry White to get in the mood.

Find yourself a picture of two men having sex.

Attempt to rub one out. If it works then either being gay is a choice or you are on fact gay.

If it doesn't then you may have discovered its not a choice.

All in the name of science of course and no cheating by thinking of Bush's daughters or any other right wing pin-ups.

ENJOY!

[Mr. Ron]

Oh. wow.

Steve, go to the corner.

[AmericanWeiner]

bdr you are officially the 4th person to go on my ignore list in the past 4 years


congrats man congrats

[RNR]

How could it be a choice if I don't have the choice? I'm not attracted to men. And there's no way I could make myself attracted to them.

[lunchforthesky]

Therefore your not gay.

Surely the most reliable people for this are the gays themselves and almost no gay people would ever say it was a choice.

[-1up!-]

Therefore your not gay.

Surely the most reliable people for this are the gays themselves and almost no gay people would ever say it was a choice.

Bingo. Yet right-wingers will always elude this point.

And Zero, I'm still waiting for those scientific studies about gay men generally having a more dangerous sex life compared to heteros.

[cokecanbunny]

Uhm...if homosexuality were a choice, why would someone choose it?Do you think that leading a life that by many is not considered "normal" is something many people strive for?? Oh, and great plan for teaching children the "dangers" of homosexuality. Sounds like it would teach them how to be more HOMOPHOBIC.

[Jharaski]

Yeah but that's the dominant lifestyle amongst gays :\

PS I don't hate gay people, I just disapprove of homosexuality.

And the people you call anti-semites really aren't; they just disapprove of Judaism. :p

[Aaron]

ITT: Zero reveals another factor of society that is not white, rich and married and so therefore evil.

[Petros]

Maybe TS should join Pastor Fred Phelps church.

[Iskandar]

What about what's harmful to the individual?
I don't see how homosexual acts, if properly practiced, are any more harmful than heterosexual acts. I would say the denial of natural sexual urges and widespread anti-homosexual attitude throughout society would be much worse.

Even if they are improperly practiced and therefore harmful, it's the individual's choice to do that. We don't force homosexual men to wear condoms while having anal sex; we don't force them not to.

[Petros]

I don't see how homosexual acts, if properly practiced, are any more harmful than heterosexual acts. I would say the denial of natural sexual urges and widespread anti-homosexual attitude throughout society would be much worse.


Right. Well you need to understand the religious argument is not that homosexual acts are primarily negative to society, they are self-destructive to the individual. They use scientific evidence, as well as psychological insight, to show that homosexual behavior is destructive to the individual. It is silly to say homosexuality somehow is destructive to society, because there isn't really any clear evidence that homosexuals are more destructive than any other group of people. Rather, religious people (at least, intelligent ones) claim homosexuality is destructive to the individual and therefore is not right from a purely ethical point of view.

I am not defending the argument, just curious what people's take on it would be.

[Akira]

You need to read the first post man.

EDIT: Or not, he edited it.

[Petros]

Aye, I see. Never mind.

[Surgicalgod]

Zero should be permbanned but he never is because he's jeremy's friend.

[Sroji]

AIDS, in America, is a preventable disease. We have to spend millions of dollars more a year on idiots who should've known better. Money that could be spent combating AIDS in Africa, instead.

So, I have a couple of modest proposals:
1) Make intentionally transmitting HIV a capital offense.
2) Offer HIV positive persons medication to suppress sexual urges

Now that the thread is sufficiently big, just talk about these two things :p

Suppose Africa is full of homosexuals?

[Amit]

They use scientific evidence, as well as psychological insight, to show that homosexual behavior is destructive to the individual.

wait what

[lunchforthesky]

Right. Well you need to understand the religious argument is not that homosexual acts are primarily negative to society, they are self-destructive to the individual. They use scientific evidence, as well as psychological insight, to show that homosexual behavior is destructive to the individual. It is silly to say homosexuality somehow is destructive to society, because there isn't really any clear evidence that homosexuals are more destructive than any other group of people. Rather, religious people (at least, intelligent ones) claim homosexuality is destructive to the individual and therefore is not right from a purely ethical point of view.

I am not defending the argument, just curious what people's take on it would be.

Religious people who denounce homosexuality are basically your average bigotted morans who think they have "valid" justification for being a bigot. When in reality they really dont. There is nothing self detrimental about leading a "gay lifestyle" whatever that is, if there were then the people leading this lifestyle would omit to embrace the apparent negative aspects of the lifestyle.

[DBoons Ghost]

I truly think Zero lacks the wisdom and understanding to ever accuratly argue this kind of thing.

Zero, think of making out with a man. A very sexy man. Revolting isn't it?

Now, imagine making out with a woman. A very hot woman. Imagine that being revolting.

Now, if you finally got the chance to make out with a hot woman, and found the act revolting and unarousing, how would you react to it?

If your brain saw men as attractive, and no matter how hard you tried to find women attractive but couldn't, would you deprive yourself any chance of love, companionship and joy simply because you couldn't enjoy the act with a woman?

I think you can be very ignorant at times, and this is one of them. AIDS should never be considering anything more then the disease it is. If Reagan wasn't such an idiot, we could have prevented a lot of good people dying from it. But, as long as morons like you think the people dying from it are somehow receiving their just rewards from their behavior, we'll keep dying from it as a whole people, not just junkies and homos.

[ringworm]

did anyone see the show on HBO last night?

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/friends_of_god/index.html

it was insanely scarey & I now see why previous questions from me regarding why religion is under attack got the responses they did

Mr Ron & a few others are right

And then at the end, this Pastor who preched & preached at the immoral state of our society & the evils of homsexuality…

TURNED OUT, HE WAS GAY HIMSELF??????????
he got busted with a male prostitute???????

[lunchforthesky]

Ted Haggard?

Poetic justice has never been as strong as when it turned out he was gay.

[ringworm]

yep, Tedd

I suggest everyone in here try & catch the next time this show airs on HBO

One of the Pastors (short guy always on TV) made several threatening comments on how, at the touch of a button or a request at a sermon, his party could crash all the phone lines in the Capital and how previous Dems have seen the power of thier belief, and how Hilary will as well????

The best segment is on evolution/creationism

Facts I go by
Archaeological evidence
Carbon Dating
Science in general
yada
yada
yada

Facts they urged their children to listen to regarding so-called "Human" evolution
(1)The Bible & nothing more

One Billboard even read
"Evolution is the Devil"

pitiful

[Iskandar]

Right. Well you need to understand the religious argument is not that homosexual acts are primarily negative to society, they are self-destructive to the individual.
Even if it is (which I don't see how it can be) it's irrelevant. Why should people not be able to engage in self-destruction behaviour that doesn't harm anybody else?

Not that I think it's harmful at all to the self. If anything, removing the social stigma attached to homosexuality is healthy, because it allows expression as opposed to denial of natural sexual urges. Keeping them bottled up won't help.

[Aklerc]

...

:-/

[Apollyon]

This thread is blatantly homophobic, the fact that you titled a thread about aids "Homotopia" warrants a ban.

i concur

[Aklerc]

I truly think Zero lacks the wisdom and understanding to ever accuratly argue this kind of thing.

Zero, think of making out with a man. A very sexy man. Revolting isn't it?

Now, imagine making out with a woman. A very hot woman. Imagine that being revolting.

Now, if you finally got the chance to make out with a hot woman, and found the act revolting and unarousing, how would you react to it?

If your brain saw men as attractive, and no matter how hard you tried to find women attractive but couldn't, would you deprive yourself any chance of love, companionship and joy simply because you couldn't enjoy the act with a woman?

I think you can be very ignorant at times, and this is one of them. AIDS should never be considering anything more then the disease it is. If Reagan wasn't such an idiot, we could have prevented a lot of good people dying from it. But, as long as morons like you think the people dying from it are somehow receiving their just rewards from their behavior, we'll keep dying from it as a whole people, not just junkies and homos.
Thank you. You've said a lot of what I've always wanted to say on the matter.

[YDtoad]

Everyone takes the title too seriously :lol:

But really this was supposed to be about the idea of executing those who intentionally spread AIDS, I only titled it Homotopia (which was supposed to be edited) to get more attention :(


If your brain saw men as attractive, and no matter how hard you tried to find women attractive but couldn't, would you deprive yourself any chance of love, companionship and joy simply because you couldn't enjoy the act with a woman?


I would seek counseling and treatment. As all people of deviant sexual persuasions should.

[sweboy]

I think this is a good place for a "lol".

[DBoons Ghost]

I would seek counseling and treatment. As all people of deviant sexual persuasions should.

Please elaborate upon treatment options.

It's not possible to get your chromosomes replaced is it? Or is God gonna come down from high and wave a magic wand?

Or maybe your priest or bible studies teacher will bend him over a table and bang him in the anal cavity so hard it will knock the gay right out of him?

Because, most of those in need of counseling are those of the cloth.

[YDtoad]

Please elaborate upon treatment options.

Counseling, to start with. Basically, what pedophiles go through now. That's treatment aimed at altering a sexual persuasion, because we as a society (rightly) deem it a disorder.


It's not possible to get your chromosomes replaced is it? Or is God gonna come down from high and wave a magic wand?


Genetics play a role, but it in no way is the sole determinant, as evidenced by the existence of identical twins, one gay, one straight. Childhood experiences play a much greater role, I believe.

[Kaleid]

I would seek counseling and treatment. As all people of deviant sexual persuasions should.
Should they? Maybe to fit in with society's and religion's concept of what's 'normal', it might make for an easier life. But maybe they don't care enough to be bothered

[YDtoad]

Should they? Maybe to fit in with society's and religion's concept of what's 'normal', it might make for an easier life. But maybe they don't care enough to be bothered

Maybe they don't. I'm not saying we should force them to (unlike with pedophiles). I'm just saying it's what they should do.

[DBoons Ghost]

because we as a society (rightly) deem it a disorder.

"we"? No. You. We as a society have never deemed it a disorder. Your society of invisible being worshippers who are no better then cultists. Jim Jones should have figured a way to take the lot with him.


Childhood experiences play a much greater role, I believe.

You believe? Well, thank the lucky stars. You believe in God too. And the Bible. I believe in reality and tangible items. A man's love for another man is tangible. God's love is like pissing in the wind.

I hope you learn the difference one day.

[YDtoad]

"we"? No. You. We as a society have never deemed it a disorder. Your society of invisible being worshippers who are no better then cultists. Jim Jones should have figured a way to take the lot with him.


I'm talking about pedo's, not gays ;)

As for gays, it is the mainstream Christian belief that homosexuality is wrong. And roughly 85% of the American population is Christian. If even half of them hold this belief, then almost half the entire population feels this way.



You believe?

Watch Capturing the Friedman's. It really (and uninentionally) reveals the effects of childhood experiences on sexual orientation.


God's love is like pissing in the wind.


Well now come on man you're turning this into a religion debate :p

[Kaleid]

Well, I'm glad at least that there's a distinction been drawn there.
Incidentally, I agree with proposal no. 1 at the start of this thread (remember that?) ;) I just think the title was maybe a little insensitive. AIDS is a HUGE problem, and promiscuity doesn't help it. But neither does misinformation, ignorance or rape. Not very nice for religious groups or the media to pin the blame solely on homosexuality's door

[YDtoad]

Well, I'm glad at least that there's a distinction been drawn there.
Incidentally, I agree with proposal no. 1 at the start of this thread (remember that?) ;) I just think the title was maybe a little insensitive.


Well I don't mean to offend, honestly :) I just wanted to get attention to the thread...

and I DID accomplish that goal ;)

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm only gonna end up in a rant so I won't entertain your ignorance with an arguement.

The majority of pedos I know are Priests, ministers, and deacons. The very people chosen as vessels of God's love. Amazing that.

[YDtoad]

The majority of pedos I know are Priests, ministers, and deacons. The very people chosen as vessels of God's love. Amazing that.

Are you talking about what you hear in the news, or folks you know personally? 'Cause I kinda doubt you know too many deacons ;) And church sex scandals are overblown.

[Kaleid]

The majority of pedos I know are Priests, ministers, and deacons. The very people chosen as vessels of God's love. Amazing that.
You've got to be careful though. A lot of people (me included) dislike generalisations, whether it's about gays or religious devotees. Discredit an individual, not a religious or sexual trait

[Iskandar]

I would seek counseling and treatment. As all people of deviant sexual persuasions should.
If vaginal sex between a married man and woman is the only acceptable form of sex for you, there must be a LOT of deviants out there in need of counselling.

People who engage in threesomes? Oral? People who like to wear high boots?

[Kaleid]

Hey what's up with high boots ;)

[YDtoad]

If vaginal sex between a married man and woman is the only acceptable form of sex for you, there must be a LOT of deviants out there in need of counselling.

People who engage in threesomes? Oral? People who like to wear high boots?

First one def, second one, when in the context of marriage, is fine. Third one...:o

[Iskandar]

First one def, second one, when in the context of marriage, is fine. Third one...:o
So anyone who doesn't conform to your idea of sexual morality needs counselling?

[YDtoad]

So anyone who doesn't conform to your idea of sexual morality needs counselling?

Well there's a difference in being heterosexual, which is the proper sexual orientation, and engaging in harmful and immoral sexual habits, so long as there isn't a sexual disorder in place (ie erotomania), against being of a sexually deviant persuasion.

[lunchforthesky]

What about masturbation?
or Anal betwen a married couple.

and why must they be married and who are you to set the rules on what constitutes a proper sex life? Why cant people have theesome, practice s&m or piss/s'hit on each other if thats what they want, their not hurting anyone.

[YDtoad]

What about masturbation?


Most Christian denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church, hold it to be a sin.


or Anal betwen a married couple.


Not a sin.

and why must they be married and who are you to set the rules on what constitutes a proper sex life?


Religiously/morally, the Bible does, not I. And politically/philosophically, that which is best for the society at large is proper. That is monogomous heterosexual relationships. Healthy and prosperous.


Why cant people have theesome, practice s&m or piss/s'hit on each other if thats what they want,


Who says they can't?

[pedro durruti]

Not a sin.
I thought sex was meant for procreation only?

[YDtoad]

I thought sex was meant for procreation only?

That is ultimately what it's there for but God's not draconian :p

[lunchforthesky]

Most Christian denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church, hold it to be a sin.

Clearly it harms no-one therefore it is not your place in a civilised society to outlaw, not that you would try to.

Religiously/morally, the Bible does, not I. And politically/philosophically, that which is best for the society at large is proper. That is monogomous heterosexual relationships. Healthy and prosperous.

I dont see why people should be forced into it though. It would be healthy and prosperous if people didnt drink, but it doesnt mean they shouldnt be allowed to. In the same way people shouldn't need to marry to have approved of sex.


Who says they can't?

I was under the impression you thought the needed counselling for it

[Smokey D]

Most Christian denominations, including the Roman Catholic Church, hold it to be a sin.



Not a sin.

The Catholic Church says that any sexual act other than procreation is pursuit of an unnatural vice and sinful.

[pedro durruti]

Where does "whatever you hold true on earth, I'll hold true in heaven" fit into this? Was this actually said in the Bible? I love Dogma.

[Smokey D]

Jesus says to Simon "You are Peter and on this rock I build on my Church. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you shall loose on earth I shall loose in heaven".

I don't know how it specifically relates to homosexuality.

[pedro durruti]

Does it make the Catholic Church infallible?

[Smokey D]

Not in itself. It is one of the supporting verses to the doctrine of papal infallibility.

[Iskandar]

And politically/philosophically, that which is best for the society at large is proper. That is monogomous heterosexual relationships. Healthy and prosperous.Not this again.

WHY DOES IT MATTER IF A TINY MINORITY OF THE POPULATION ARE NOT IN HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS? IT'S NOT AS IF THE CONTINUATION OF THE HUMAN RACE IS ENDANGERED

[thedeadwalk!]

After a little research it seems roughly .3% of Americans are living with HIV/AIDS. This is about 900,000 people, with the number suffering from AIDS itself being a few hundred thousand less. It's estimated a quarter of these people do not know they suffer yet.

I haven't found anything on how much we spend domestically versus in Africa. But it should be noted that 70% of the world's HIV/AIDS cases come from Africa, and 95% arise in developing countries around the world. I can't imagine we're spending a significant portion of money that would help any more were it put elsewhere with what we are contributing there already.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

is there a difference between the rate of spreading homo and hetero contact

[Akira]

Not this again.

WHY DOES IT MATTER IF A TINY MINORITY OF THE POPULATION ARE NOT IN HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS? IT'S NOT AS IF THE CONTINUATION OF THE HUMAN RACE IS ENDANGERED

Lies. I used to post on a different serious forum, and someone posted this:
"If gay marriage is legalise, there will be more and more gays around due to the heavy influence. The human population will decrease till it extinct."

[lunchforthesky]

^^ Man that guy nailed it, I was wrong their is a huge danger to society.

If being gay is a choice couldn't we just "choose" to be straight once it seemed like it had become a threat to society. Or merely pro-create for procreations sake but be gay for enjoyment.

[coheneran]

I resent how everyone is defending gays but still refering to the homosexual "lifetstyle". WE ARE NOT ****ING LIFESTYLISTS GOD DAMNIT! Saying there's a gay lifestyle is like saying there's a straight lifestyle. Admittedly, there are some fags who make homosexuality their lifestyle, and frankly, I don't associate with them, they piss me off no end. When you dress and act in a manly but feminine way (ie. camp), you've lost a lot of my respect.

This thread title is homophobic. The fact that there are infinitely more practising gays in the USA and Europe than there are in Africa, and yet the epidemic is mostly in Africa, shows that Zero's assumptions (and that's all they were folks) are bollocks.

[PerpetualBurn]

If being gay is a choice couldn't we just "choose" to be straight once it seemed like it had become a threat to society. Or merely pro-create for procreations sake but be gay for enjoyment.

That's actually an excellent point. If being gay is a choice, then there's nothing to stop men and women hooking up once in a while when the needs be.

[YDtoad]

The Catholic Church says that any sexual act other than procreation is pursuit of an unnatural vice and sinful.

Doh :( Hey I'm not a Catholic, so I'm not fully up to date on that stuff.


is there a difference between the rate of spreading homo and hetero contact


AIDS spreads much easier through gay male sexual practices.



WHY DOES IT MATTER IF A TINY MINORITY OF THE POPULATION ARE NOT IN HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS? IT'S NOT AS IF THE CONTINUATION OF THE HUMAN RACE IS ENDANGERED


It's just about what's best.


I was under the impression you thought the needed counselling for it


No, I'm not saying the government should force anyone to do anything. Well, beyond forcing sex offenders to have treatment. But for homosexuals, I think the government should encourage and establish optional programs to help them live healthy, normal lives.

[PerpetualBurn]

AIDS spreads much easier through gay male sexual practices.

I like it best when you outright lie.

[pedro durruti]

Not in itself. It is one of the supporting verses to the doctrine of papal infallibility.
The point I was trying to make was that Jesus' words in the bible, something Zero listens to with great enthusiasm, would make him unable to have nonproductive sex. If the Pope still believes sex should only serve reproductive purposes, then to have it for pure enjoyment is a sin, regardless of his denomination, right? But are there any verses in the Bible that limit this... power? I mean, could the Pope declare God dead?

Basically, I'm trying to make Zero suffer for adhering to such silly principles.

Admittedly, there are some fags who make homosexuality their lifestyle, and frankly, I don't associate with them, they piss me off no end. When you dress and act in a manly but feminine way (ie. camp), you've lost a lot of my respect.
Why? Is it so wrong for them to dress the way they want, and act the way they are (I assume) inclined to act? How do you feel about drag queens?

[Mr. Ron]

Anyone here the news about scientists possibly finding a gay gene? I heard it on the radio like, last week.

[coheneran]

The point I was trying to make was that Jesus' words in the bible, something Zero listens to with great enthusiasm, would make him unable to have nonproductive sex. If the Pope still believes sex should only serve reproductive purposes, then to have it for pure enjoyment is a sin, regardless of his denomination, right? But are there any verses in the Bible that limit this... power? I mean, could the Pope declare God dead?

He could, but in doing so he'd make his authority obsolete. In the same way that if an American government overruled the Constipation their authority would become nil (though they'd still have all that cash and guns).

Why? Is it so wrong for them to dress the way they want, and act the way they are (I assume) inclined to act? How do you feel about drag queens?

I'm not gonna go around putting happy campers in ghettos, I just find it extremely irritating and somewhat sexist. Here's why:

It's irritating because it creates a whole lifestyle around one preference, worse still one sexual preference. This closes down a lot of options of alternaty for the camp dude, and the role he puts himself in tends to affect those around him in a bad way (in the same way that a person victimising themselves will attract anger from those around them, or a person acting in a bullying manner will cause others around him to react as victims).

It's sexist because every single camper I've met relates femininity to physical weakness, vanity, melodrama, self-victimisation ("Why doesn't he CALL ME?!:("), etc.

I have no problem with drag queens, nor with transvestites (I've been known to meddle in skirts and tight shirts myself), because that is something utterly gender-subversive and not at all a lifestyle. Trust me, no drag queen walks around in costume on a daily basis.

[pedro durruti]

Who/What is camper?

[YDtoad]

Anyone here the news about scientists possibly finding a gay gene? I heard it on the radio like, last week.

Yeah it's right here:

http://www.strutter.plus.com/pics/pic15.jpg

But no, there is no such thing as a gay gene--if there were, then all genetic twins would either be both gay, or both straight.

[coe]

"Camp" means flamboyant.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah it's right here:

http://www.strutter.plus.com/pics/pic15.jpg

But no, there is no such thing as a gay gene--if there were, then all genetic twins would either be both gay, or both straight.

:rolleyes:


Is the twin thing the only evidence you have for there not being that kind of gene?

[Amit]

diathesis stress hypothesis

[YDtoad]

:rolleyes:


Is the twin thing the only evidence you have for there not being that kind of gene?

It's pretty conclusive.

That's not to say that you won't find genes that are believed to contribute to sexual orientation, but there is no such thing as a gene that causes sexual orientation.

[Akira]

Zero, I want further explanation on how gay sex spreads AIDS better than straight sex.

[YDtoad]

And I want people to pay attention to my Street Fight thread :(

I'm about to eat supper, I really don't want to get into a discussion on gay sex! :lol:

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

well, isn't anal sex far less safe than vaginal intercourse

[Akira]

And I want people to pay attention to my Street Fight thread :(

I'm about to eat supper, I really don't want to get into a discussion on gay sex! :lol:

I posted in it.
If you are going to make claims like this, back them up.

[Volumnius Flush]

I think this is a great idea. Convince them that they can 'look but don't touch'. Think of Alice Cooper's "Poison", and convince that if they do go for the kitty, they will have to pay, eventually, with their lives.

[Rabbi]

If this gets me banned I really don't even care.

TS doesn't deserve to live. I would kill him if I could. I only hope someone rapes you up the ***. And I hope you like it. the homosexuals i know are the nicest, most down to earth, real people i know, and many of them are religious despite there homosexuality. NOT ONLY HOMOSEXUALS GET AIDS MORAN. I never thought I could HATE someone, let alone someone I never met. Maybe, to decrease AIDS in America, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY GET TESTED BEFORE INTERCOURSE. AND USE PROTECTION! NOT ONLY GAYS. THATS JUST AS BAD AS SEGREGATING BLACK FROM WHITE YOU ****FACE. GO CHOKE ON A HOTDOG.

[YDtoad]

If this gets me banned I really don't even care.

TS doesn't deserve to live. I would kill him if I could. I only hope someone rapes you up the ***. And I hope you like it. Homosexuals are the nicest, most down to earth, real people ever, and many of them are religious despite there homosexuality. NOT ONLY HOMOSEXUALS GET AIDS MORAN. I never thought I could HATE someone, let alone someone I never met. Maybe, to decrease AIDS in America, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY GET TESTED BEFORE INTERCOURSE. AND USE PROTECTION! NOT ONLY GAYS. THATS JUST AS BAD AS SEGREGATING BLACK FROM WHITE YOU ****FACE. GO CHOKE ON A HOTDOG.

:lol: tolerance ftw :p

[Light Fantastic]

Homosexuals are the nicest, most down to earth, real people ever, and many of them are religious despite there homosexuality. NOT ONLY HOMOSEXUALS GET AIDS MORAN.well

irony ^.-


you hate him for stereotyping homosexuals, but.. you just did it too

[Rabbi]

:lol: tolerance ftw :p
wow. wowowowoowowowowowowowowowow,

you yourself need to learn a thing or two about tolerance.

Homosexuality is not wrong.

My teacher is a lesbian, and has a six year old son. Today he was in our class playing with power rangers, and eating candy. I have talked to/played with this kid many times before because he goes to the elementary section of our school, and he is just like my 8 year old brother, except he understands tolerance unlike you.

I would never discourage gay/lesbian parenting unless they were shoving dildoes in the kids face.

[Rabbi]

well

irony ^.-


you hate him for stereotyping homosexuals, but.. you just did it too

yeah i realized that when i reread it. i mean that from personal experience and I understand that homosexuals can be just as mean as they can be nice. I'll edit that.

[YDtoad]

wow. wowowowoowowowowowowowowowow,

you yourself need to learn a thing or two about tolerance.

Homosexuality is not wrong.


Yes tolerance=agreeing with you about morals. And disagreeing with you=intolerance.

See my tolerance thread.

[Rabbi]

Tolerance=accepting human differences as natural and normal

[YDtoad]

Tolerance=accepting human differences as natural and normal

You mean like differences of religion and moral values, and political opinions?:amaze:

[Kaleid]

Accepting them, not necessarily agreeing with them

[YDtoad]

Accepting them, not necessarily agreeing with them

Yeah I was just talking about not condemning them or, you know, wishing death or anal rape on them:p

[Rabbi]

I accept that you have negative feelings about gays and almost respect that.

[YDtoad]

I accept that you have negative feelings about gays and almost respect that.

almost meaning that you wish death and/or anal rape on me:amaze:

[Rabbi]

But I also accept that you're an ignorant **** and I wasn't at all serious about the threats, you just made me kind of angry.

[PerpetualBurn]

diathesis stress hypothesis

For those that ignored this:

Genetic predispositions may require environmental factors to cause the expression.

[Kaleid]

Yeah I was just talking about not condemning them or, you know, wishing death or anal rape on them:p

....should think not :rolleyes:

[YDtoad]

....should think not :rolleyes:

what about when a person's an ignorant **** and makes me kind of angry?

[Rabbi]

Miss Mcmillen is a lesbian and the best teacher I've ever had, shes got a 6 year old son who plays with action figures and eats candy, two cats who give her hell, and teaches like 4 classes, how is she sinful?

[Rabbi]

what about when a person's an ignorant **** and makes me kind of angry?
No one can be as ignorant as you.

Except O'Reilly

[YDtoad]

Miss Mcmillen is a lesbian and the best teacher I've ever had, shes got a 6 year old son who plays with action figures

o ya do you play with him too? Or are you a little out of his age range now? Have you reached your teen years yet?


how is she sinful?

Well you'll have to bring that up with the Christian God because according to Him, engaging in an active homosexual life is a sin.


No one can be as ignorant as you.


I donnu man even when people make me :angry: I don't wish anal rape on them :amaze:

[Kaleid]

what about when a person's an ignorant **** and makes me kind of angry?

You should be more specific :evil:
So much hatred and intolerance in this thread. Unfortunately, I've noticed that whenever a coherent arguement is beginning to be formed, some (not all) members resort to petty spell-checking in an attempt to give themselves an intellectual edge. This thread was started with rather dubious intentions (see title) and, ultimately, not much has been resolved.
By all means, follow your religion, or carry on with your alternative lifestyle. Just take care not to harm others, whether through prejudice or lack of sexual responsibility.

[YDtoad]

You should be more specific :evil:
So much hatred and intolerance in this thread. Unfortunately, I've noticed that whenever a coherent arguement is beginning to be formed, some (not all) members resort to petty spell-checking in an attempt to give themselves an intellectual edge. This thread was started with rather dubious intentions (see title) and, ultimately, not much has been resolved.


The intent was pure, I assure you! :p I just figured it'd get a little bit more attention with a title like, oh, say, homotopia 2.0. Plus someone brought it up in another thread and that gave me the idea.

[Rabbi]

Ignorant has nothing to do with making empty threats. I'm not coming from a personal stance, because many of my friends are gay, and it just makes me furious when people single them out as if they are so different from you and me.

Actually the Jewish God says it in the Old Testament and it is restated in the New Testament.

The rules of religion should be challenged every once and a while. God made some rules to protect people from things that could they could not be protected by with modern technology. I've heard that this applies to homosexuality, because the Jews had a dangerously small population, that also explains the no-jacking-off rule, wastes sperm.

[YDtoad]

Ignorant has nothing to do with making empty threats. I'm not coming from a personal stance, because many of my friends are gay, and it just makes me furious when people single them out as if they are so different from you and me.

Actually the Jewish God says it in the Old Testament and it is restated in the New Testament.

The rules of religion should be challenged every once and a while. God made some rules to protect people from things that could they could not be protected by with modern technology. I've heard that this applies to homosexuality, because the Jews had a dangerously small population, that also explains the no-jacking-off rule, wastes sperm.

:lol: Gotta save up that sperm, might run out!

If it was simply to protect a small population, then why all the capital offenses? Surely we could spare those people who stole their neighbors ox, I mean, they needed the sperm!

[Kaleid]

The intent was pure, I assure you! :p I just figured it'd get a little bit more attention with a title like, oh, say, homotopia 2.0. Plus someone brought it up in another thread and that gave me the idea.
Oh yeah? If it was pure, I wouldn't brag about it. Sorry man, but how can you expect people to participate in an objective discussion with such a title? Look, I read the beginning of the thread. I know what you were trying to address. I just think you could have attempted it in an unbiased way. Like I said, I agree with No. 1. But you can't just use names like that just so you get some attention.

[Rabbi]

:lol: Gotta save up that sperm, might run out!

If it was simply to protect a small population, then why all the capital offenses? Surely we could spare those people who stole their neighbors ox, I mean, they needed the sperm!

I was being specific to the two laws I mentioned in my post, although other laws about food and clothing probably are somewhat involved with safety.

[YDtoad]

Oh yeah? If it was pure, I wouldn't brag about it. Sorry man, but how can you expect people to participate in an objective discussion with such a title? Look, I read the beginning of the thread. I know what you were trying to address. I just think you could have attempted it in an unbiased way. Like I said, I agree with No. 1. But you can't just use names like that just so you get some attention.

Otherwise, beautiful and significant threads fall by the wayside. See: Street Fight. Seriously, if I had titled that, "Rabbi says homosexuality=intentionally spread AIDS, what a fag", I'd have gotten 100 posts by now.


I was being specific to the two laws I mentioned in my post, although other laws about food and clothing probably are somewhat involved with safety.


Food and clothing, yes. Sexuality, no.

[Rabbi]

You probably no more about the religion thing than me and yeah I just heard that in another thread, but still.

Hey did you know Rams are gay.

[YDtoad]

You probably no more about the religion thing than me and yeah I just heard that in another thread, but still.

Hey did you know Rams are gay.

No? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Is English your first language?
How old are you?

I know that Wolverines tend to hunt more than they need for food, and that a cat will kill a mouse just for the heck of it. Animals rawk!

[Rabbi]

You've never ever ever heard of a typo? Or is that a sin too?

I was actually complimenting you. So don't be a jerk.

[YDtoad]

You've never ever ever heard of a typo? Or is that a sin too?

I no typos.


I was actually complimenting you.

Oh sweet :D

So does this mean you don't want to see me anally raped now?

[Rabbi]

I told you I wasn't serious. Just angry.

My father was killed on 9/11 because of intolerance. I can't stand it when people classify other people.

[YDtoad]

I told you I wasn't serious. Just angry.


Seriously angry ya:o

[Rabbi]

no. just angry.

[YDtoad]

U serious? :o

[Rabbi]

no. don't try to set me up.