Tenor Sweeping (Drumline)

[drumitup369]

Alright, so I've been practicing playing the tenors (specifically quints) and I've been getting into more advanced stuff. I've been practicing sweeps a lot. It is basically a double stroke, but between two drums. I try to do them as single hits each but in some music, such as the SCV Electric Wheelchair cadence, they are 32nd notes with double strokes but each stroke is with a different drum so it can get very difficult and tireing.
Here is example: (the "+" are crossovers)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8704/fillpz0.jpg
This specific example is at 120bpm.

So, back on topic, I was wondering if any of the people that have any idea what I'm talking about could give me tips on what I can do to help me develop this skill.

Thanks in advance.

[Seafroggys]

yeah sweeps are really fun. I did them alot my junior year on drumline.

Just start slow and continue to practice faster and faster until you get it up tempo. Its what I did.

A really cool lick involving sweeps is the Butterfly, and I had a little Butterfly solo for about two bars, its pretty much sweeping between drum 1 and 2.

1 - R--LR--LR--LR--L
2 - -RL--RL--RL--RL-

[drumitup369]

Do you do single strokes or doubles?

[Seafroggys]

well they're all doubles, that's what sweeps are.

[The Jolly Pakistani]

*head explodes* I wish I had access to a drumline, it has to do wonders for your chops.

[Seafroggys]

indeed, my rudimental skills for years were always way ahead of my set skills. Even to this day my rudimental chops impress.

[Stickman Sam]

This guy in my class at college played snare in some kind of big band or orchestra or something from when he was about 6 till he was 10...

If his chops were Tetris skills, they would make japanese kids cry.

Seriously he is a complete monster. If anyone has any links to good resources for notated snare licks/solos, post??

I have noticed my chops build since I started Stick Control though. Diligent practise ftw...

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[Retarded Chipple]

This guy in my class at college played snare in some kind of big band or orchestra or something from when he was about 6 till he was 10...

If his chops were Tetris skills, they would make japanese kids cry.

Seriously he is a complete monster. If anyone has any links to good resources for notated snare licks/solos, post??

I have noticed my chops build since I started Stick Control though. Diligent practise ftw...

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http://rudimentaldrumming.com/



This sounds like a really, really stupid question but what are "chops"? Like when people say "they have good chops"...I'm not entirely sure...I thought it was someones technical skill on their instrument but that definition doesn't seem match the way I hear people talking about them...

[Josiah]

Rudimental Drumming is an awesome site!!


This sounds like a really, really stupid question but what are "chops"? Like when people say "they have good chops"...I'm not entirely sure...I thought it was someones technical skill on their instrument but that definition doesn't seem match the way I hear people talking about them...

Chops are pretty much your technical abbility at an instrument.


For drummers, it pretty much means "The abbility to produce more notes and cleaner then you" or subsitute whatever messuring bar you wish for "you".

Chops doesn't seem to apply towards abbility to groove with drummers. There seems to be 2 worlds if you will - The abbility to produce mass amounts of notes and the abbility to make any note feel amazing.

Chops almost always refers to the first one. Though for many number 2 is more important. People tend to flop between working on them individually.

[Retarded Chipple]

Chops are pretty much your technical abbility at an instrument.


For drummers, it pretty much means "The abbility to produce more notes and cleaner then you" or subsitute whatever messuring bar you wish for "you".

Chops doesn't seem to apply towards abbility to groove with drummers. There seems to be 2 worlds if you will - The abbility to produce mass amounts of notes and the abbility to make any note feel amazing.

Chops almost always refers to the first one. Though for many number 2 is more important. People tend to flop between working on them individually.

So pretty much how fast and clean you can play rudiments and other such stickings?

[Josiah]

Essentially. Part of having Chops, is also just playing. Getting to the point where you are playing ideas, phrases and such. It's no longer rudiments and stickings, it's sounds and textures.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I was also wondering what chops were.Thanks jos

This is probably a really stupid question seeing as I've played drums for years, but what exactly are tenor drums? Are they marching band type drums, kind of like toms?? Am I even near?

[Josiah]

Tenors, also often called Quads or Quints. Involving several pictched drums. Sometimes a smaller super high piched drum called a Shot Drum as well.



http://www.dragonband.com/Tenors.jpg

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Tenors, also often called Quads or Quints. Involving several pictched drums. Sometimes a smaller super high piched drum called a Shot Drum as well.



http://www.dragonband.com/Tenors.jpg

Oh, thanks a lot. Are they tuned to specific pitches like timpani, or just general pitches like toms on a drum kit?

So basically he's talking about broken doubles across the drums?

[Seafroggys]

Tenors, also often called Quads or Quints. Involving several pictched drums. Sometimes a smaller super high piched drum called a Shot Drum as well.



http://www.dragonband.com/Tenors.jpg

they're called spokers (sp?) at least up here.

[~(lunch_box)~]

they're called spokers (sp?) at least up here.

they're called spocks, gocks, or shot drums
i call them gocks

and i play tenors as well, is there anything in particular about sweeps that are giving you trouble?

[Pearldrumguy]

They are called spocks. Many high school people call then shot drums its just a name so yea.. Just work and make sure you can play a role correctly at that tempo. Once you can do that work on rolling while splitting the double on two drums that can help you with sweeps at that tempo. Make sure you stay relaxed and try to keep your hands rather flat,(no french) Also work on it slowly then move it up.

Here are some exercises

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/tenors/quadlogic/bachman2.html

[~(lunch_box)~]

quad logic is a great book, you should buy it, it will definitely help with every aspect of your tenor drumming
i love it